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My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged.

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 #1 
Old 2006-01-30, 00:52
draco237 draco237 is offline
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Default Can we have Morality without God and Religion????

well can we????

whats ur opinions, arguments and bliefs?????
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Old 2006-01-30, 00:58
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we can, as long as we follow Bush!

no wait!.......oh damn!

[This message has been edited by Knight of blacknes (edited 01-30-2006).]
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Old 2006-01-30, 01:16
Sgt. Lag Sgt. Lag is offline
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Default Re: Can we have Morality without God and Religion????

I think the government already does that to some degree.

How much they enforce it is up to debate.
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Old 2006-01-30, 01:17
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Certain emotional feelings are the basis for morality. Shame and guilt are two such emotions that give a person a sense of doing something wrong, immoral. Then you have that warm fuzzy feeling for doing good stuff, whatever the hell it's supposed to be called. And pride, and disgust, and so on.
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Old 2006-01-30, 01:38
Perspicacious Perspicacious is offline
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Default Re: Can we have Morality without God and Religion????

Yes, you don’t see every atheist lining up for a jail cell do you?
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Old 2006-01-30, 01:41
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Yami no tensai
Default Re: Can we have Morality without God and Religion????

So are morals good because some alleged God arbitrarily dictates them, or does it dictate them because they are good?

If it is merely because it was commanded by god, then that god could outlaw heterosexuality and order everyone to murder at least 1 other person in their lifetime and it would be "good".

Or are certain morals considered good because there are reasons independent of god's arbitrary decisions.

If it is the latter, then I submit that those reasons would just as well exist if the alleged god that commands them did not exist.
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Old 2006-01-30, 02:14
Elephantitis Man Elephantitis Man is offline
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quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

So are morals good because some alleged God arbitrarily dictates them, or does it dictate them because they are good?

Morals are good because some alleged God who knows everything about every aspect of humanity knows what is truly best for humanity, therefore He calls what is best for humanity 'good'. He judges what is best for humanity by what will promote the peace, health, happiness, and general welfare of every human, and humanity as a whole. Because humans themselves cannot know everything about humanity (or theirselves for that matter), they cannot know what is truly best (though they often think they do), thus they challenge the standard of 'good' the alleged God has set before them to follow.
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Old 2006-01-30, 02:25
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the Vinland
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... I know what's best for me.
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Old 2006-01-30, 02:41
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Behind the boat house
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I don't think morality has very much to do with god.

Cheers,

Lost
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Old 2006-01-30, 03:49
draco237 draco237 is offline
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Default Re: Can we have Morality without God and Religion????

okok

what about the ten commandment sumthing that all westerners know, lets say for the sake of discussion that this biblical story, fable whatever u wanna call it never existed to mankind

do u still think that western society would consider things like theft, adultry, murder etc to be wrong ????
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Old 2006-01-30, 06:07
Fundokiller Fundokiller is offline
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Default Re: Can we have Morality without God and Religion????

http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/carrot&stick.html

there ya go.
 
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