Or did he at all? I was browsing through Exodus when I read the chapter on treatment of slaves, which completely took slavery for granted. If anyone can give a quote about why it's bad/ not tallowed I'll be grateful. Is it just society dictating that it's wrong?

racist.

God started comnemning slavery when the Christians did. You'll find people will basically interperet the Bible as they wish, which isn't all that hard to do. In fact the Bible does support slavery; it's sexist, racist, homophobic and generally out-dated. But then again, I guess that's just my interpretation.

Slavery is wrong bible or no bible. According to the bible though God respects no man, so it'd be stupid to think you're better than another person just because they are colored and vice versa since God won't treat you any more special.

It seems that God has changed his opinions whenever a new status quo has been established.

I think the 'Don't do upon others....' answers that one.

reciprocal morality gets pwned by masochism.

quote:Originally posted by LockeTM:

I think the 'Don't do upon others....' answers that one.

No. It's because God's chosen people were the Hebrews and when the Egyptians started picking on them, God thought he'd have a little fun with the Egyptians.

Do I pwn or what, lol.

All religions change their stance on things.

For instance:

Christianity early on condemned money making. Later, supported it. And Islam was the exact opposite of that, I believe.

You don't have to do everything your religion says to do.

funny how moses went and got the slaves from the Egyptian Pharoah (Egypt is in Africa which makes pharoah black) and every black history month black people sing:

Go down Moses

Way down in Egypt's land

Tell old pharoah

Let my people go.

Self-Pwnage.

Maybe they don't get it yet.

Funny.

quote:Originally posted by abbazabbahellyeafool:

funny how moses went and got the slaves from the Egyptian Pharoah (Egypt is in Africa which makes pharoah black) and every black history month black people sing:

Go down Moses

Way down in Egypt's land

Tell old pharoah

Let my people go.

Self-Pwnage.

Maybe they don't get it yet.

Funny.

Egyptians aren't black.

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

Egyptians aren't black.

not getting into that one

The Nubians, who lived just south of Egypt on the border of what is now Sudan, were a black race. Their religion was substantially similar to that of the Egyptians, and at one point they invaded Egypt and had a dynasty of about 5 kings before it was overrun by other invaders. However, the Egyptians themselves, at least as far back as their first pharoah, were not black.

Slavery was condemned by God before humanity was created and the Bible was written, and yes the Bible explains that slavery is wrong in serveral ways (I do not read much of the Bible so this is what I can come up with)

"treat your neighbor as you would have yourself be treated"

"love thy enemy"

Shit like that,



there's a bunch of verses stating that harming or inflicting suffering upon others is wrong in the Bible, but yes the Bible cannot be trusted completly as with all of christianity, but thats a different story again.

quote:Christianity early on condemned money making. Later, supported it. And Islam was the exact opposite of that, I believe.

I follow christ, not christianity.

Furthermore, there is nothing biblically wrong about making money. Would you believe the bible actually encourages it? I would ask that you read the book of proverbs, in which it offers much fiscal as well as practical and spiritual wisdom.

I've thought about the slavery issue as well (History is definately my favorite subject), and quite frankly I'm not going to say very much about it. Frankly I don't think the bible smites slavery - so long as they're treated by biblical standards. In fact, there are slaves today, and we're called the working class. We've just been majorly upgraded in socioeconomic status and means of treatment; notwithstanding we have rights, unions, and etc.

I guess it's at that point in which we cross the line and stop labeling people as "slaves" and as "workers" - but then again, maybe we shouldn't? Must I recall the old mining villages that had a socialistic death grip on the working class? I don't think the need will arise...



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quote:Originally posted by Beholder:

I follow christ, not christianity.

Furthermore, there is nothing biblically wrong about making money. Would you believe the bible actually encourages it? I would ask that you read the book of proverbs, in which it offers much fiscal as well as practical and spiritual wisdom.



That's because the bible was written earlier than 1500 or so, when the church had money to throw around.

It went from give away your belongings to follow Jesus's word to building massive cathedrals.

And I remember in my history class that later on (1200 - present) that it was okay to make a profit, as long as it was in support of God.

And I have read the Proverbs. With the exception of the ancient gender relations as well as the ones concerning God, they do provide a good way to live life.

And I believe there are two sets of Proverbs, one being Proverbs, and the other being Solomon's Proverbs.

Making money has always been allowed by the Church. The sin you're thinking of is usury. Originally usury was defined as charging interest on loans. This is why the Jews controlled all the banks in the middle ages, they were the only people who could charge interest(read the merchant of venice for an example). With the rise of capitalism, the Church changed the definition from just charging interest to charging excessive interest.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15235c.htm

That is a more comprehensive description of usury.

biblical slavery was hugely different to what we see as slavery today.in biblical times,slaves were able to observe their own religious holy days.hebrew slaves often held property,were able to buy their freedom and had slaves of their own!often their slavery was in order to repay debt.a daughter could be sold into slavery to another hebrew on the understanding she would be married to the master or his son.in a sabbatical year,many slaves were freed.the hebrew slave worked for the state under seti 1 and rameses2,lived with his family,bare necessities of life,and minimal civil rights.he was technically free,just too overworked and poor to leave!

God started condemning slavery when it became socially inacceptable for us. "Providence takes its cue from men" - A Brave New World

Most of our opinions on slavery are biased (at least if you're in North America). The word slavery automatically brings up images of Uncle Tom's Cabin and conditions that haven't existed for generations, at least not racially. Poverty and murder still occur, just not because one man owns another.

I agree with the fact that the bible is interpreted for people's own goals and purposes. But there was slavery in the bible, and discussed openly. Every main character of the bible children are taught to know had slaves, servants, people who did their bidding. The difference is they were more like bondsmen, their lives their own, not their masters. They were respected as people, not objects.

It was us, the later generations, that corrupted their policies, who thought one race could be superior to another. God didn't really have much to say in the matter, mostly men.