My knowledge of Islamic doctrine is pathetically rusty, but I was watching the news today and it was said that the US is trying to enstate a draft in the state of Iraq, but the Iraqi government was against this. Still, though the US is basically forcing them to enstate this draft.

That was a very long sentence.

Anyways, so - to my understanding a draft would be against Islamic doctrine. Therefore forcing the Iraqi's (who are predominantly Islamic) to enstate a draft would be a slap in the face to their own religion. Much like how anti-abortionists are like a slap in the face to those of the judaic faith.

I mean, you can't force an Islamic country to go against their doctrine for politics sake. Especially foreign politics.

The US is retarded sometimes.

Can someone validate this or explain to me why I'm wrong?

Cheers,

Lost

They don't need a draft. Being in the Iraqi army and police force is the best paying job in that country right now. They're swamped with applicants.

I'm not certain how that furthers the discussion, but it's the truth.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

...to my understanding a draft would be against Islamic doctrine.



My understanding of Islamic law is also rusty but I understand that Iran, the only remaining theocracy in the world, has a 2 year mandatory military service requirement for all its resident citizens, excluding women. So I don't think a draft would be against Islamic doctrine. I'm sure if a war broke out and it were a necessity, the ayatollahs could easily come up with their own fatwa to declare a mandatory draft and there probably wouldn't be much that the population could do about it.

There are Islamic totse members?

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

There are Islamic totse members?

A few.

And, Kia Kordestani, thanks. I confirmed that earlier today.

Cheers,

Lost

I was staying at an Iraqi Embassy for 2 weeks this summer. And I was talking with 3 Iraqi's who were fresh out of Iraq. Most Iraqi's don't really consider the 'insurgents' to be doing good. Especially after they blew up that bus of children. So I think if a draft was actually instated, it wouldn't be as bad as you think. Afterall the insurgents are the ones causing chaos at the moment.

quote:Originally posted by Kia Kordestani:

My understanding of Islamic law is also rusty but I understand that Iran, the only remaining theocracy in the world, has a 2 year mandatory military service requirement for all its resident citizens, excluding women. So I don't think a draft would be against Islamic doctrine. I'm sure if a war broke out and it were a necessity, the ayatollahs could easily come up with their own fatwa to declare a mandatory draft and there probably wouldn't be much that the population could do about it.



Iran has a Shiite muslim government. Most Sunnis don't consider Shiites to be muslims.

quote:Originally posted by your enemy:



Iran has a Shiite muslim government. Most Sunnis don't consider Shiites to be muslims.

First of all one of the beliefs in Islam is that the entire Universe is Muslim. So when you say Sunnis don't consider Shiites to be Muslim you obviously don't understand anything about Islam and it's different sects. It's like saying Protestants don't think Catholics are Christians because they share different views on specific details. The core beliefs in Islam are found throughout all sects just like the Protestants and Catholics share the same basic concept of Christ. The same goes for what Muslims think of Muhammad. The specifics will never be fully agreed upon by the entire world or at least until we're all dead and proceed into the afterlife where the truth will be revealed once and for all.

Anyways, as for your first statement, yes it is true that Iran's government (and population) is dominated by Shiites. So what? Iran is still the only remaining theocracy in the world unlike most other Arab countries which are kingdoms populated mostly by Sunnis. At least in Iran there is an electoral process every 4 years for the president and parliament based on votes from the public and contrary to popular misunderstanding, women can vote and even run for office. There are currently nine female legislators in the Iranian parliament down from thirteen in the previous body. In contrast, Saudi Arabia is ruled by a King and all his ministers which he appoints personaly through advisors. There are no elections or parliament in Saudi Arabia and women are never appointed by the King as ministers. You tell me which ones most fair?

I hate to say it, but I wouldn't be supprised if at least 30% of Protestants actually don't consider Catholics to be Christians.

They didn't exactly break off and form their own churches because they wanted rice rather then wheat in the wafers.

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quote:Originally posted by dearestnight_falcon:

I hate to say it, but I wouldn't be supprised if at least 30% of Protestants actually don't consider Catholics to be Christians.

They didn't exactly break off and form their own churches because they wanted rice rather then wheat in the wafers.



My sister doesn't. But she's not Protestant, she's "Christian". Seriously, the whole "youth outreach" thing in the Christian community is getting completely absurd.

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

My sister doesn't. But she's not Protestant, she's "Christian". Seriously, the whole "youth outreach" thing in the Christian community is getting completely absurd.

God damn.

If she's not Catholic, (or arguably not Orthodox), she's a protestant.

Anglican, Baptist, Pentecostal, Uniting, whatever... protestant.