There has been alot of debate about what god actually is and atheistic assumptions thaqt he is omnipotenet, all-loving, omniscient and omipresent. then they show how something like that cannot exist and use it as proof that belief in a higher order of life is bullshit. Anyways define god and show how he/she/it can/cannot exist please.

A perfect being?

quote:Originally posted by Fundokiller:

show how he/she/it can/cannot exist please.

A part of thought revolving around the meaning of life,evolution,possibility of life after death,birth,health,morals,etc. Exsisting in all humans viewed differently by all as well. God is a product of that and a part of it.

quote:A part of thought revolving around the meaning of life,evolution,possibility of life after death,birth,health,morals,etc. Exsisting in all humans viewed differently by all as well. God is a product of that and a part of it.

So God is just something in our heads that we use to explain things? He doesn't actually exist...

Sounds good to me

What creates us or what made us.

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I don't think we can't define God. I think we can only have ideas that help us to understand a bit better.

God defines Himself.

"I AM."

That's as good as you're going to get.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

God defines Himself.

"I AM."

That's as good as you're going to get.

He said god, as in a supreme being not the Christian god.

I'd say the Christian ideas of God are attempts to understand that being.

God - The knoll on my pants in my crotch area.

If we are looking for a supreme being that cannot have the illogical omni- abilities, then we may be dealing with an intelligence that is bound by the laws of physics. Such an entity would either be indifferent to us or maybe even unaware of us. There is nothing to imply that it should be unique either.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

He said god, as in a supreme being not the Christian god.

"I am" may have been metioned in xianity, but it's still legit.

Christianity has a lot of truth within it. As with all religeons.

My definition of God is this. A perfect consciousness has the power to do anything, simply by willing it so. Gods perfect consciousness imagines life into existence.



God is a perfect consciousness.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

My definition of God is this. A perfect consciousness has the power to do anything, simply by willing it so. Gods perfect consciousness imagines life into existence.



God is a perfect consciousness.

It's perfect? What caused it to create, actions are the offshoot of stimuli.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

It's perfect? What caused it to create, actions are the offshoot of stimuli.

Creation is part and parcel of God perfection.

Remember God is everything. He didn't decide to create. He IS creation.

Define "perfect"®©.

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There are two variables, they are opposites. Because they are opposites they are positively or negatively biased relative to a neutral point, mathematically, zero. Or, they are variations of positively or negatively biased points relative to zero, between the opposites, or the extremes. So all there is in the variables is a couple of completely opposing thoughts or concepts, or a couple of concepts that exist somewhere between the two opposites yet equally as opposing. So in truth the only reality of the matter is not the opposing views, but the pivot point of relative neutrality creating the views, there defined as zero. So then for example if you were ever to wonder whether a flower was pretty or distasteful you could say that it is neither and that the true focus is determining whether the flower is important to you in an overall intellectually acceptable manner.

Changing the focus then from visual acceptation to overall intellectual importance of the flower. Because what's relatively important in one sense may be relatively non-important in another sense. So it is really all relative, meaning it is not your decision to whether the flower should be there, or whether it looks good or not. Really, you have no way of knowing we are so biased and blinded in thought. But what does this mean about the purpose of arguments? So it's all pointless if they can relatively mean anything?

Or would it be possible to neutralize and focus this radical of perception by having a completely neutral way of thought. Therefore you're not affected by the argument and can continue without change infinitely. Without change there is no change of the opposites which started this disturbance. If they are opposites then it will be relatively neutral, if they were total opposites. Therefore it is from the one neutrality that these extremes come from. This neutral or pivot point for ideas can appear in any argument meaning both sides are seen and combined into one equal neutrality. So because of this a neutral point can appear just as equally as the two opposites derived from it. The concepts can both exist separated, yet completely intertwined. They deny themselves yet equal themselves. They are an end to one another yet they are the cause of an existence to themselves. They are the very imbalances in life which make life possible.

For instance, the possibility of happiness is only there because you can also feel sad. Meaning that the purpose of happiness isn't to make you happy, but to feel sad in the above sense. This is about the laws of creation. Since there are many people in physical form on this earth, then after earth there can be only one creator of the many. Since we are all conscious today in physical life, where we are separated into bodies physically, without physical separation in the spiritual life there is only one consciousness that is all.

Our imbalances amount to nothingness, every imbalance can only be physical and thus mortal or bounded by time. Imbalance is the same as nothing. If two opposites exist equally then they either equal a whole or a zero. So -.5 + .5 equals 1? No shit. But look, it’s not 1, its 0. Two equal negatives equal a neutral zero. Meaning what about life?

This means the whole purpose of an imbalance is to equal zero. Meaning physically in life the whole purpose of the struggle after birth is to die. Life is like colours. Black represents nothingness, the different frequencies of light that form the colours and can merge to form white, and the infinite frequency, is everyone, and white is God. The many colours represented as one. The exact opposite of darkness. Perfect. That is hell. Nothingness.

Life is God. It's the constant battle between the everlasting opposites, existence and non-existence itself. Something and nothing, every opposition down to the most basic level.

"What man wishes to be he makes his God; What man is in need of he makes his God" - I forget

My thoughts on God:

1st possible case: There is a 'being' that could be called God. The following things could then be assumed

- Is the creator of the universe / the multiverse.

- IS the universe / multiverse without being limited to it.

- Is able to change the nature and its laws (physical, logical,...). Is almighty.

- Senses everything that any living organism can sense but is not limited to this since he actually IS everything and can have an objective and sujective view at the same time.

- Has no beginning / has no end. Is the creator of time and space and because of this time (as everything else) is a phenomenon 'produced' by him.

- Same for 'space'. IS space and everything that is beyond. There are no imaginable places where he is not present.

- Is not limited. Period.

Any being that fails to 'accomplish' any of these points can not be called God. It is just a damn powerful being.

2nd possible case: There is no such 'being'. Then God is just a thought. Something the homo sapiens made up at some point.

All I want the definitions limited too is a consious entity more powerful than humans

If God is a thought then it exists

quote:Originally posted by Fundokiller:

If God is a thought then it exists

Yes, God is a thought; an idea. And in that respect that is the only way we can be positive He exists. As a product of our hearts and minds.

I guess my definition of God would be a being who is everything man aspires to be.

Man wishes to be respected, desirable, wise, revered, praised, loved, powerful, etc.

God is all of those and more.

quote:If God is a thought then it exists

Not in actuality - i can think of an invisible elephant that controls the tides whilst orbiting the moon, does that mean it exists in reality - or just in my head?

quote:Originally posted by Daz:

Not in actuality - i can think of an invisible elephant that controls the tides whilst orbiting the moon, does that mean it exists in reality - or just in my head?

What makes you think that in your head isn't reality somewhere?

quote:Originally posted by Daz:

Not in actuality - i can think of an invisible elephant that controls the tides whilst orbiting the moon, does that mean it exists in reality - or just in my head?

Well if you honestly believed that, then it would be real to you and you would not care what others said.

Christians honestly believe in God, and he is real to them.

Muslims honestly believe in Allah, and he is real to them.

Hindus honestly believe in Shiva, Vishnu, and Brahma, and they are real to them.

Etc.

quote:Originally posted by Goat Saint:

Well if you honestly believed that, then it would be real to you and you would not care what others said.



Yeah, but that's not the point.

I can honestly believe that the earth is flat and every other object in universe rotates around it, but this wouldn't change anything about the fact that I would be fucking wrong.

I see what you are aiming at though: 'Everyone has his own reality in his head.'

But this reality is just an opinion.

Besides, that's what is great about science. You don't have to fuck around with the (mostly worthless) opinions in your head. You try to deal with facts only. When you are not able to find any facts, you are still allowed to rely on your opinions, but keep always in mind that opinions are caused by the lack of facts.



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An imaginary friend that everyone agrees upon.

You talk to him, he watches you, he is with you.

But if anyone asks if he exists? Well small problem there.

Therefore God is an imaginary friend. Although this only applies to Xians as they personify him too much, like giving him a gender, like i have done.

What we should be asking is 'what is the holy spirit'? Cause thats some real vague metaphoric shit.

God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.

-Voltaire

I hate you all you smell like the time my friend Jordan removed a small African child from his rectum. We later sold him on Ebay. No-one wanted him, he was soon traded for two Vienettas from the local Paki shop, the shop-owners children later complained of the curry meat being extremly skinny and tasting of AIDs, rabies and tapeworms.

Whilst typing this respectable post, I have come to the conclusion that you smell, and Africa is a waste of space.

god in my sick twisted opinion is an idea much like dogma but more along the line's of a police action kind of keep every body in line make sure they r all nice 2 each other and they r all cool and everything something we can have peace and order out of but of course some dumbasses take it way 2 far and and starting killing and all kind's of other shit that doesn't make alot of sense but it's in the name of god r no priest can't have woman they can have little boy's it's just a story people for eveyrone 2 have some moral's i honestly think if we took god out of our culture we would b better but what burn's me more than anything in this universe is the fake believer's we have all meet them the one's that only believe so they can go 2 heaven i hate' those asswhip's it's like a little kid if u tell the kid 2 clean his room he get's a dollar from then on he always want's something 4 anything good he does that's bullshit he should clean his room cause it's the right thing 2 do not cause he get's a reward that's what heaven and hell is if u r good u go 2 heaven no u should b a good person cause it's the right thing 2 do god is simply an idea in all of our pretty little head's but what the hell do i know i'm crazy i believe there's still hope 4 the human race

Define define.