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My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged.

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Old 2005-08-20, 18:02
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Default Can you trust your senses?

People experience hallucinations and believe what they are seeing is real.

So, what's to say that existence in its entirety isn't a hallucination caused by your imagination.

Is there any way to prove this is not so?
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Old 2005-08-20, 18:18
Darwinist Darwinist is offline
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Default Re: Can you trust your senses?

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

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Is there any way to prove this is not so?

No there isn't.

Our senses may be far from flawless but they are the only known connection to the things outside of our bodies. So not much choice here.
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Old 2005-08-20, 18:42
Stiffmajj The Giant Stiffmajj The Giant is offline
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Default Re: Can you trust your senses?

You should read meditations be Rene Descartes(sp?)
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Old 2005-08-20, 18:54
bonkers bonkers is offline
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Default Re: Can you trust your senses?

René Descartes was a rationalist. He believed we could never rely on our senses about knowledge of the external world.

David Hume, on the other hand, was an empiricist. He believed that our senses are the only way of acquiring knowledge about the external world.

Links:

René Descartes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descartes)

David Hume (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hume)
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Old 2005-08-20, 21:55
crazygoatemonky crazygoatemonky is offline
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you might as well trust your senses, cuz you don't have any other options. what are you gonna do? close your eyes and plug your ears and think deep thoughts? everything you know is based on what your senses have told you about the world, so you kinda have to trust them.
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Old 2005-08-21, 02:02
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Default Re: Can you trust your senses?

quote:Originally posted by bonkers:

René Descartes was a rationalist. He believed we could never rely on our senses about knowledge of the external world.

David Hume, on the other hand, was an empiricist. He believed that our senses are the only way of acquiring knowledge about the external world.

Links:

René Descartes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descartes)

David Hume (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hume)

More importantly:

Descartes was a Dualist.

Hume was a Materialist.

The former: Self-exalting.

The latter: Rationalist.
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Old 2005-08-21, 02:34
Daz Daz is offline
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The belief that that existence in its entirety is a hallucination caused by your imagination is pretty much idealism - everything is just ideas in your head and you can't prove that anything exists for certain based on ideas in your head...it pretty much leads to solipsism.
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Old 2005-08-21, 04:16
Paradise Lost Paradise Lost is offline
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What are we talking about here, solipsism? Then I'm really talking to myself aren't I...
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Old 2005-08-21, 05:24
Daz Daz is offline
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Well my existance is just an idea in your head given to you by your senses
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Old 2005-08-21, 15:39
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Niiiice, Daz! ^
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Old 2005-08-21, 18:39
qazwsx qazwsx is offline
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Default Re: Can you trust your senses?

um, why don't you try hallucinating

I suggest DMT
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Old 2005-08-21, 18:46
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Default Re: Can you trust your senses?

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Is there any way to prove this is not so?

More effectively, is there any way to prove that it is so?

We don't assume assertions are true unless they can be shown to be.

Start off with "everything is false" and base your reality around that which can be shown to be real.
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Old 2005-08-21, 23:08
elfstone elfstone is offline
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Default Re: Can you trust your senses?

That theory adds an extra, unecessary factor to the rest of reality that fails to explain anything. So, occam's razor dictates it should be discarded.

Solipsism is for nutcases
 
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