It seems as though christians will pounce on any misunderstanding and characterize it as a creator. Why? Because there has to be a creator. But if there has to be a creator doesn't there also have to be a creator of a creator? Now eventually we have to say that if there is a creator that this is a bit of a simplistic concept of a beginning and an end. So at that time can we come to the conlusion that there doesn't need to be a creator in order for life to exist on earth because a beginning and an end is simplistic?

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

It seems as though christians will pounce on any misunderstanding and characterize it as a creator. Why? Because there has to be a creator. But if there has to be a creator doesn't there also have to be a creator of a creator? Now eventually we have to say that if there is a creator that this is a bit of a simplistic concept of a beginning and an end. So at that time can we come to the conlusion that there doesn't need to be a creator in order for life to exist on earth because a beginning and an end is simplistic?

God wasnt created he just is. Our tiny minds simply cannot comprehend it or understand the trinity (God). Even in heaven we will not fully understand it. But who cares My stupid theory is that he was created rationally.

[This message has been edited by OMr_duckO (edited 08-13-2005).]

I agree with you absolutely atomical, but the main arguement is that god always was not that there was a creator of the creator (sorry if you said that buts thats what I thought you were saying, my tiny little brain can't comprehend your logic).

God continuously re-creates himself. Time has no end and no begining, so re-creation stretches infinity.

Energy is constantly in motion.

Honestly, the whole concept of God, in my opninion, merely comes down to faith, or the lack of.

God cannot be proven or disproven.

However, kneeling to the idea that God just simply existed for all eternity on it's own and our puny brains simply can't comprehend this, don't let any christan ever slap you with a response like "oh, lol, the old something-from-nothing argument" when you discuss with them the possibility that the universe or multiverse or 'everything' simply existed forever on it's own.

quote:Originally posted by OMr_duckO:

God wasnt created he just is. Our tiny minds simply cannot comprehend it or understand the trinity (God). Even in heaven we will not fully understand it. But who cares My stupid theory is that he was created rationally.



Explain to me the evidence that says Christianity is the true religion?

Or else religion was just created to tell people what to do, so that they could be exploited for capital gains. Ofcourse, no religions ask for more money than what it costs to run them, right? Christians make good workers though, they believe that their doing gods will by working for me. It isn't god's will, but rather me using them to make some money.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

[B]Time has no end and no begining, so re-creation stretches infinity.

B]

I'm sorry but you are wrong. Stephen Hawking has proved time definitly had a begining along with everything else. Nothing could have lasted forever, time and God included. Go read his book.

"...the Universe is finite but unbounded." - Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time

quote:Nothing could have lasted forever, time and God included.

That could be used to disprove God, could it not? surely if God did exist it would have always existed...being omnipotent and such...

quote:Originally posted by Kia Kordestani:

I'm sorry but you are wrong. Stephen Hawking has proved time definitly had a begining along with everything else. Nothing could have lasted forever, time and God included. Go read his book.

"...the Universe is finite but unbounded." - Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time

I agree with time not being infinite, but there is no way you could connect that to God not being a possibility.

since god isn't a physical thing, does he need time to be in existence? he certainly doesn't need space, therefore the space-time continum wouldn't exist.

I think we should all just stop thinking about it. It's pointless, we'll never figure it out or have any conclusive evidence. All we're succeeding at is making our heads hurt.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

I think we should all just stop thinking about it. It's pointless, we'll never figure it out or have any conclusive evidence. All we're succeeding at is making our heads hurt.

Sure does help to pass the time though.

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

Sure does help to pass the time though.

I dunno, I'd rather build something.