Would you think any less of someone if they firmly believed in Santa Claus?

A true Christian should and as a matter of fact a true Christian should be against Christmas all together and any other "Christian holiday".

Well, I don't know about thinking less of a person for it but they shouldn't promote it or try to get their children to believe in such a false idol. There are Christian churches out there that are firmly against celebrating Christmas.

[This message has been edited by URa11FUX (edited 08-12-2005).]

Although I'm not a christian, I can see the logic behind your question.

It's funny how people believe in a man from a book over 2000 years ago, but refuse to believe in proven sciences.

Exactly.

Like they say the universe was created by god but we know the world was created by tthe big bang.

quote:Originally posted by midgetbasketball:

Exactly.

Like they say the universe was created by god but we know the world was created by tthe big bang.



Well in reality the big bang is just a theory but i don't think genesis is acurate either. We're all still a little shady on the answer to that big question. If you state theory as fact you're no beter then the fundo's

quote:Originally posted by jsaxton14:

Would you think any less of someone if they firmly believed in Santa Claus?

Obviously, you are attempting to equate belief in good ol' santie claus to belief in God and or Jesus Christ. Here's why that's a fundamentally flawed question.

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<LI>Santa Clause is said to be one man who delivers gifts, real, tangable material things to those christians who are good, as according to a list kept at the north pole. One can simply test this myth by being good all year and then not recieving anything come dec 25th. However, the rewards of a belief in Jesus Christ are intangable, and are therefore impossible to prove untrue.

<LI>Santa Clause is said to live in a large complex on top of the north pole. Modern ground-penetrating radar has proven that there is nothing up there.

<LI>No one claims that the real Jesus Christ visits several thousand malls and department stores every holiday season, delighting children and enticing their parents to shop, shop, shop.

<LI>It is not common practice to teach the reality of Jesus Christ to small children, knowing within yourself that it's all a lie, but that it's fun for the child.

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The bottom line is that Santa Clause is a myth. You don't get presents from him if you're good, you don't get coal from him if you're bad. These are tangable things, which are proof that santa isn't there. However, the perscribed rewards which come from a belief in Jesus Christ cannot be disproven so easily.

Your question, like the santa clause myth, looks good at first, but will never hold up under close scrutiny.

quote:Originally posted by jsaxton14:

Would you think any less of someone if they firmly believed in Santa Claus?

i would like to inform u that santa is a close friend of mine and he is a lovely bloke,



so there!

You do know that Santa Claus was a real person right? Santa Claus is Saint Nicholas, a member of the early Church that helped the poor by giving them money on Christmas. Although in reality he was a tall, gaunt man who was rather stern, he did exist. The modern concept was invernted by the author or The Night Before Christmas who based the appearance on a carriage drive he met as he was going to a party, the man was rather large and somewhat drunk, hence the red cheeks and loud booming laugh. That image was altered slightly and popularized by Coca-Cola. So you might wanna refine your question because he did actually exist whether or not you believe in him.

Although the question itself was somewhat flawed, I think the question itself had some logic in it.

Santa Claus is much easier to disprove then Jesus, however I sort of look at it like this. Jesus is the adults verision of santa claus.

quote:Originally posted by URa11FUX:

A true Christian should and as a matter of fact a true Christian should be against Christmas all together and any other "Christian holiday".

.... There are Christian churches out there that are firmly against celebrating Christmas.

(edited 08-12-2005).]



Whys that?

I have a feeling some Christians are against it because it used to be a pagan holidays and a lot of the rituals and symbolism are pagan. Also, they view it as having lost the Christian meaning, as though it's just about getting lots of stuff.

quote:Originally posted by jsaxton14:

Would you think any less of someone if they firmly believed in Santa Claus?

No I wouldn't think less of them. I'd have to make some jokes about it to them but I do that with all my other friends already.

Saint Nicholaus was a real person in northern Europe. Christmas, which used to be winter solstice, used to be a holy day for the egyption sun god worshippers. They celebrated it because the days were becoming longer and they celebrated the sun. Jesus was born in march. Santa also didn't drop off gold, he left a sack of coal at poorer peoples houses so that they could be warm on Christmas. Christians later developed it as Christs birthday to honor the saviour with good deeds of sharing. I don't think the commercialization of christmas would really be approved of. I think the holiday overall does a damn good job of spreading the message for the church. Because of Santa, how many kids learned of Jesus?

All in all, i'm not a religeous person, but if you can't see the value of and power of christmas, and the good deeds it generates, you're a blind fool. That's why I still celebrate christmas.

Santa isn't a false idol, he's a simble of the spirit of giving selflessly you jackasses.

quote:Originally posted by URa11FUX:

A true Christian should and as a matter of fact a true Christian should be against Christmas all together and any other "Christian holiday".



I'd agree that most Christian churches are against the blatant commercialization of the holiday, but not against celebrating Christ's birthday, however inaccurate the date.

Sure, he was a real guy but I think the person who started this was talking about firmly believing in the fat red guy traveling across the world in one day being pulled by reindeer.

*clears throat*

Pardon moi...but WHICH "proven" sciences do Christians disbelieve ?

I don't ever expect to get a real answer, but I figured I would give you a shot, anyway.