Last night I was talking to a guy in a chat room about god when it hit me all the sudden. I know what the meaning of every religon is. Every religion tries to teach you to accept death the monotheistic religons teach you that you go to heaven when you die and then the reinforce it with proof so that you accept death and when you accept death you dont fear it anymore and if you dont fear death you wont fear anything else in life and if you dont fear anything you will be in control no one will have power over you because the thing that you fear the most is death and people use death to scare you and fear is power so that every religon tries to teach you not to fear death so that you can be enlightend we all belive in the same thing we just get there a diffrent way some do it with christianity other with judism and bhudism. We don't need to fight each other there is no right religon because there is only one and everybody belives in it. I dont know but that is just what i think if you would like to discuss this with me I'll be in totse chat.

But can you prove it?

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

But can you prove it?

I already did every religon teaches you to accept death they prep you to die by tellin you that you go to heaven and the such so you belive that to the point where you no long fear death and you anticipate death and then you have power over your self and only you have power over yourself.

quote:Originally posted by White_russian5:

I already did every religon teaches you to accept death they prep you to die by tellin you that you go to heaven and the such so you belive that to the point where you no long fear death and you anticipate death and then you have power over your self and only you have power over yourself.

You didnt prove that to be the only point to it. Neither did you prove that its all just a facade.

Could it be possible that a religion has an even bigger meaning than your "enlightenment" lets on, and perhaps preparing one to cope with death is just a by-product?

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

You didnt prove that to be the only point to it. Neither did you prove that its all just a facade.

Could it be possible that a religion has an even bigger meaning than your "enlightenment" lets on, and perhaps preparing one to cope with death is just a by-product?

I'm not disproving any religon i belive all religons are good that is just my theory that is what i get from it maybe there is a higher meaning to it but unless i know what it is i wont comment on it. that is just my opinion it's not worth much but that is how i see it to be but who knows i might be all wrong.

quote:Originally posted by White_russian5:

I'm not disproving any religon i belive all religons are good that is just my theory that is what i get from it maybe there is a higher meaning to it but unless i know what it is i wont comment on it. that is just my opinion it's not worth much but that is how i see it to be but who knows i might be all wrong.

Ahh. Your wording in your first post was a tad misleading. But i get what your saying.

According to Freud, everyone of us has a death wish. We all live for the purpose of dying.

Excerpts from http://tinyurl.com/bjmn7 :

Later in his life, Freud began to believe that the life instincts didn't tell the whole story. Libido is a lively thing; the pleasure principle keeps us in perpetual motion. And yet the goal of all this motion is to be still, to be satisfied, to be at peace, to have no more needs. The goal of life, you might say, is death! Freud began to believe that "under" and "beside" the life instincts there was a death instinct. He began to believe that every person has an unconscious wish to die.

This seems like a strange idea at first, and it was rejected by many of his students, but I think it has some basis in experience: Life can be a painful and exhausting process. There is easily, for the great majority of people in the world, more pain than pleasure in life -- something we are extremely reluctant to admit! Death promises release from the struggle.

Freud referred to a nirvana principle. Nirvana is a Buddhist idea, often translated as heaven, but actually meaning "blowing out," as in the blowing out of a candle. It refers to non-existence, nothingness, the void, which is the goal of all life in Buddhist philosophy.

The day-to-day evidence of the death instinct and its nirvana principle is in our desire for peace, for escape from stimulation, our attraction to alcohol and narcotics, our penchant for escapist activity, such as losing ourselves in books or movies, our craving for rest and sleep. Sometimes it presents itself openly as suicide and suicidal wishes. And, Freud theorized, sometimes we direct it out away from ourselves, in the form of aggression, cruelty, murder, and destructiveness.

quote:Originally posted by White_russian5:

Last night I was talking to a guy in a chat room about god when it hit me all the sudden. I know what the meaning of every religon is. Every religion tries to teach you to accept death the monotheistic religons teach you that you go to heaven when you die and then the reinforce it with proof so that you accept death and when you accept death you dont fear it anymore and if you dont fear death you wont fear anything else in life and if you dont fear anything you will be in control no one will have power over you because the thing that you fear the most is death and people use death to scare you and fear is power so that every religon tries to teach you not to fear death so that you can be enlightend we all belive in the same thing we just get there a diffrent way some do it with christianity other with judism and bhudism. We don't need to fight each other there is no right religon because there is only one and everybody belives in it. I dont know but that is just what i think if you would like to discuss this with me I'll be in totse chat.

You forget to include HELL in your nice equation. There's everything to fear when there's the possibility of eternity in hell. And with fear comes control. I think you got it all upside down.

That's very similar to what I mean.

quote:Originally posted by elfstone:

You forget to include HELL in your nice equation. There's everything to fear when there's the possibility of eternity in hell. And with fear comes control. I think you got it all upside down.

No th christians created hell as a way to keep people in line.

Heaven and hell does not so much destroy in you all fear of death as inspire in you a fear of life: it makes people afraid of hell so that they do what they're told. So in a way one of the main points of religion is precisely the opposite of what you said it was.

quote:Originally posted by moby_dick:

Heaven and hell does not so much destroy in you all fear of death as inspire in you a fear of life: it makes people afraid of hell so that they do what they're told. So in a way one of the main points of religion is precisely the opposite of what you said it was.

Heven and hell are two possible endings to life so in order to control people from getting to powerfull they have to make a balance if you use the power you get from accepting death to do evil you get sent to hell but if you do good you get sent to heaven it's all psychology it's all about power and control.

Your thread is cool but presumes that death is the ultimate fear.

What about fear itself?

What about people who bring themselves death because of the things they fear?

Edit: But you are kinda right, that enlightenment is accepting absolutely everything and just being.

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Death is the root of all fears its like a tree any fear can be traced to death and people who kill themselves have accepted death and no longer want to continue living because of some reason.

quote:Originally posted by White_russian5:

No th christians created hell as a way to keep people in line.

Prove it

quote:Originally posted by elfstone:

You forget to include HELL in your nice equation. There's everything to fear when there's the possibility of eternity in hell. And with fear comes control. I think you got it all upside down.

That would depend on which religion you adhere to. I want to be a viking so when I die in battle I go to Valhalla.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

That would depend on which religion you adhere to. I want to be a viking so when I die in battle I go to Valhalla.

It'd be silly to be a viking today, no? :P Maybe if you're in a metal band, but still who do you battle against? And what if you die of old age or a disease? :P

Seriously though, it seems that some mythological religions served to justify their people's nature instead of dictating it to them. Mostly Norse and Greek come to mind, since sumerians, egyptians, and hindus seem to divide the people spiritually, effectively telling them what their place in the world is, instead of allowing a choice.

I don't see many modern religions differentiating from this pattern in a substantial way. The presence of a priesthood with a closer connection to divinity than a normal worshipper, in addition to the reward/punishment [heaven/hell] system for religious morality is nothing but a healthy combination. In effect, the faithful are not free to choose their faith because they either fear the punishment, desire the reward or simply follow blindly those supposedly superior in spirituality (priests).

quote:Originally posted by White_russian5:

I already did every religon teaches you to accept death they prep you to die by tellin you that you go to heaven and the such so you belive that to the point where you no long fear death and you anticipate death and then you have power over your self and only you have power over yourself.



Not every religion teaches that you goto heaven when you Die.

My religion teaches, Reality is heaven.

quote:Originally posted by godofjacob:



Not every religion teaches that you goto heaven when you Die.

My religion teaches, Reality is heaven.



It would be nice if you told us the name of your relgion.

Taoism, Daoism

quote:Originally posted by White_russian5:

Death is the root of all fears its like a tree any fear can be traced to death and people who kill themselves have accepted death and no longer want to continue living because of some reason.

People kill themselves because of fear.

Still a good take though...

quote:Originally posted by White_russian5:

It would be nice if you told us the name of your relgion.

Did you study the religion? Because I havent heard from you.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by quasicurus:

[B]According to Freud, everyone of us has a death wish. We all live for the purpose of dying.

Excerpts from http://tinyurl.com/bjmn7 :

Later in his life, Freud began to believe .....



mmmeh...

Fruedz got some great ideas.

No two people see the world in the same way.



And,

there are probably thousands of definable disorders of ego et cetara....

yada yada yada

when it comes down to it

True Enlightenment

is what one recieves in periodic doses of 'cosmic "karma?'!?!?



the less stress one encounters blah blah...

quote:Originally posted by White_russian5:

Death is the root of all fears its like a tree any fear can be traced to death and people who kill themselves have accepted death and no longer want to continue living because of some reason.

or they are so far from enlightenment that they are blind to the possibility of future happyness through effort?

This is what most religions refer you to use to enter heaven, within this astral plane. It has been hidden in the bible for years.

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The Names Give Some Indication, In ancient times these substances were often refereed to as, Bread of The Presence of God, The Hidden Manna, Seamen of The Gods, Chi, Shrew Bread, What Is It and more.

In more modern times they have been called, White Powder Gold, The Red Lion, The Green Dragon, The White Stone, The Elixir of Eternal Life, The Elixir of Eternal Youth, The Philosophers Stone, The Universal Cure, The Building Blocks of Life, Liquid Light and more.



USES AND EFFECTS OF HUMAN CONSUMPTION

Just a few of the reported uses included but not limited to;

PROVIDING THE ATTRIBUTES OF A GOD LIKE BEING. TAUGHT BY SOME RELIGIOUS TEXTS TO BE REQUIRED CONSUMPTION BEFORE ENTRY TO HEAVEN or the EQUALEVANT.

EXTENDING THE HUMAN LIFE SPAN BY HUNDREDS OF YEARS WHILE MAINTAINING THE BODY IN A STATE OF MATURE YOUTH AND VIGOR OR STRONG, HEALTHY, FRESH & HALE AS IT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED.

GIVING THE CONSUMER HIGHLY ENHANCED PSI AND EXTRA SENSOR ABILITIES LIKE clairvoyance, telepathy, precognition & psychokinesis, AND MORE.

REVIVING AND RESTORING THE HUMAN BODY FROM THE EDGE OF DEATH TO A OPTIMUM STATE OF HEALTH.

ENHANCING THE INTELLIGENCE AND MENTAL CAPABILITIES.

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How to make it.