and other stuff like the bleeding host and other miracles

I saw someone make the statue of liberty disappear, and he could read my mind.

Obvious proof of miracles and God.

Same way other illusions are explained, slight of hand, misdirection, and the will to believe.

Many stigmata's produce blood in the hands but no rope burns. Based not on divine miracle but a poor understanding of crucifixion by a fake.

David Blaine > God

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quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

I saw someone make the statue of liberty disappear, and he could read my mind.

Obvious proof of miracles and God.

Same way other illusions are explained, slight of hand, misdirection, and the will to believe.

Many stigmata's produce blood in the hands but no rope burns. Based not on divine miracle but a poor understanding of crucifixion by a fake.



yea i gotta agree, i have yet to see a person with this that didnt end up being an abject fraud under scrutiny.

also, stigmata has moved around a bit. its been 'found' in the palms and the wrists, stemming from a possibility that the wrists were where he was nailed.

bottom line, stigmata, in all the cases ive seen, is a fucking hoax.

BDSM

What do you think a satanist is? Some people would say that it is anyone who is not a prodostant wing Christian and then only certain denominations.

Wouldn't a santanist have to belive in the existance of God? The two go rather hand in hand.

Most 'stigmatas' often get the facts wrong, and are easily shown to be fakes. A good deal of cases are shown to have underlying mental problems, and are self harmers.

If anyone knows of a case that appears to be genuine, I'd like to have a look.

quote:Originally posted by flatplat:

Wouldn't a santanist have to belive in the existance of God?

No, they'd only ahve to believe in Santana. Now, a devil worshipper, something wholly different from a Satanist, would have to believe in God. However, most devil worshipers (not Satanists!) believe that God is in fact the Great Deceiver and that the entirety of the Bible and Christianity are hoaxes built to hide the fact that the devil is the good one. Satanists are essentially just people who feel no social constraint to their enjoyment but see justice as strictly eye for an eye and nothing more or less. Both are flawed, in my opinion, but there they are.