I'm sick of people saying that although they haven't read the Koran they assume it doesn't say anything they might find morally offensive.

Please dont comment on the Koran unless you have read it as I have. e.g

"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)

"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:4)

Jihad has not been misinterpreted at all but does call for armed struggle again the "House of War" as muslims call non-muslim countries.

For futher reading please see;

The Koran http://www.prophetofdoom.net/toc.html http://jihadwatch.org/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Nothing I have said is not in the Koran itself so I cannot be accused of racism (Islam isn't a race anyway). I bet this thread is closed anyway because of a lack of free speech so here's every one of the 164 Jihad Verses in the Koran; http://www.angelfire.com/moon/yoelnatan/koranwarpassages.htm

Fuck you and your non-conspiratorial thread asshole.

You can only really comment on something if you've read it all, which I doubt you have. It's like people who search for a few passages from Leviticus, come to their own interpretations and say the Bible is anti-homosexual.

Here are a couple of quotes:

2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of Allah, but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors.

-- Thought it might help to put one of these quotes in context.

2.194. The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike (by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear Allah and remain conscious that Allah is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him.

-- This one isn't advocating slaughter of all non-believers, just measured retaliation of those who attack the religion. Is that wrong? Well, look at what America (representing Christianity) did after 9/11. The only difference is that America has the good God on their side and Afghanistan/Iraq were all followers of an evil, destructive God

It's been interpreted to mean "kill whitey" by many Islamic terrorists, true, but it's been interpreted to mean the opposite by many more people. The majority of Islamic people do not want to eradicate the Western world. Don't let the actions of the few bias you against the many. And those websites you posted were some of the most biased sites I've seen. Prophet of Doom? Islam's Terrorist Dogma in Muhammad's Own Words!? Don't trust those interpretations, how can you fail to see that they're gonna be biased? Read the passages unadorned by interpretations and see what you make of them yourself.

The Qur'an has lots of passages that could be construed as promoting violence, there's no denying it. But they could be interpreted as advocating defence of a religion, without going overboard; I'm sure that if he exists, Allah is royally pissed off at suicide bombers or plane-hijackers.

And I think the guy you're looking for is Dre Crabbe.

London was bombed today. There will be more European cities that are bombed. See this for the reason:

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes1.html#terrorism

I think some people are forgetting the crusades, and a lot of spanish dudes whose names begin with an I...

quote:I bet this thread is closed anyway because of a lack of free speech

Lack of free speech? You're free to post it, but you have to post it in the right forum.

This is not Conspiracy material. Moving to 'My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God'.

The Holy Bible has a lot of heinous shit in it too, sparky. What's your point?

Lol, Dr Cabbe . Anyway altough I never read the Kuran, I learnt about the Jihad and other 4 pillars in school. But I never said the Kuran never preaches violence, I said the Kuran never preaches senseless violence, which it doesn't. Of course their own holy book says to defend their own religion, every holy book of any religion says so. My point was only to point out that most people nowadays misinterpret the Kuran, and too many muslims go around and proclaim a Jihad whenever they have the chance.

Trust me, bombing civilians ( because that's what they do ) is not a Holy War. It's simply murder.

From what I can tell just about all doctrines contain quite a bit of offensive material.

Cheers,

Lost

Do you mean doctrines as in all religions, or the religious doctrines of Islam ?

Besides people, ( not directed at Lost Cause ) read the Old Testament. The muslims can say as much of us and the jews as we can say of them. When it comes to killing over religious aspects, us christians are not exactly sinless.

[This message has been edited by Dre Crabbe (edited 07-08-2005).]

That's because unfailing devotion to the holiness of a book is a trait that only the insane possess...that's why holy books are misconstrued constantly, the crazy fucks reading them are blinded by devotion to the infallability of the texts, not realizing that they as a human INTERPRET the texts no more correctly or incorrectly than any other.