NOT MINE...just something interesting I found.

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Important note: The definition of hell in the early days according to early Hebrew texts was to be out of God’s presence.

Early in my life I was a loving child in a devoted Christian church. I sang songs, prayed prayers, and read the bible faithfully. When the time came in high school I was faced with the question of “What I wanted to be when I grow up?” Without a doubt I wanted to be a youth pastor so I took up courses that were available to become a disciple.

For three years I intensely study everything I was given about the Bible and theology. In my Junior year I was constantly receiving letters from Christian colleges all around the Nation. Then my life was changed by a lot of events that took place that happened all at once and threw everything I thought I knew out the window. I was reading lots of books by Isaac Asimov, Aldous Huxley, and Piers Anthony. Some fiction some non-fiction, but it wasn’t just what was in the books that opened my eyes, it was the events that occurred in my life.

Something dawned on me that created an epiphany to the light of God’s plan. One day I was watching “Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory” and I realized that Satan is not really that bad a guy.

In “Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory” an event is taking place that can be paralleled in real life. What is the Chocolate Factory to any child; movie or not? The answer is paradise. Take the Factory and line it up in analogy to heaven.

Creator is to Heaven as Willy Wonka is to the Chocolate Factory. Now, line up the evil Slugworth to Satan. When Charlie wins his golden ticket, and a chance for a lifetime supply of chocolate, he is confronted by Slugworth and is asked to look out for the “Everlasting Gobstopper”. Slugworth informs Charlie that if he had this candy he could analyze it and steal the recipe, crushing his competitor, the monopolistic Willie Wonka.

In return for the candy Slugworth will give Charlie enough money to keep his poor family happy for the rest of there lives. Charlie runs home and prepares to go to the Chocolate Factory. Charlie and his Grandpa find themselves with a mix of different people at the gates of the Chocolate Factory.

The different people represent different sins in life (for lack of better wording). Agustus Gloop, the fat kid, represents a sin called gluttony. Agustus is caught up in the very thought of paradise and his consuming need to pig out gets him sucked right out. The next child, Violet Beauregarde, can most defiantly be placed arm in arm with pride. Her pride in her record for gum chewing made her the utmost expert on the subject, even with the warnings of Wonka. In the end she blew up, big and round and deep violet.

Charlie himself partakes in the envy for something that would not usually be available to him, but lucks out in the face of death when he asks for help from Mr. Wonka. Although Mr. Wonka doesn’t show up to help, the point of asking for help was what saved him. Now the next girl deserved to be smacked, unfortunately Veruca Salt was only thrown into a garbage bin of bad eggs, but her representation was full of lust. The last kid represents a little bit of all of us, sloth. He wanted nothing more than to just be in front of the TV, hence forth the boy Mike Teevee is made to realize how small he really is and that the world does not evolve around him.

So now, Charlie, his grandpa, and Mr. Wonka are all that’s left, and the tour is over. Yet Mr. Wonka is mad at them for some reason or another, and at this point it’s semi-unknown to the audience. When Charlie persists to inquire for the reason; the explanation shatters the poor kids’ spirits. Mr. Wonka knew that Charlie stole from him. Charlie leaves his everlasting gobstopper on Mr. Wonka’s desk and asks for forgiveness. Uncertain of what to do Charlie heads to the door. Mr. Wonka jumps up and informs Charlie that he’s passed the test. Then Slugworth walks in, Charlie freezes, but Mr. Wonka informs Charlie that Slugworth worked for Wonka all along. It was a test. There was no other way to test the heir to paradise.

This is what God is doing to us on a much larger playing field. This is also the reason why Satan isn’t a bad guy. See, when God created man the slate was clean. Childlike and naïve, Adam and Eve were without any knowledge of good or evil. In order for the human race to learn these lessons God had to create an evil image. So God put his most beloved angel in the toughest spot ever. Satan must play the role of evil and everything that’s wrong with the world. If he can’t do it, or should he fail, then mankind can’t be tested correctly.

Anyone who is familiar in Newton’s Laws knows that “For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction.” I say this to prove that without evil, there would be no measure for good. Without left there is no right, without up there is no down. These are the rules God created for us, so there are rules He has to adhere to in order to maintain credibility with us as humans.

Now many might wonder how it is that Satan would undertake a job that set him to oppose God. That line of thinking is a mistake. First of all, angels are not much more than really advanced dogs. The Lord, Our God, promised us power over the angels on earth and in heaven. There is also one very large piece of evidence that leads me to this line of thinking; every time an angel appears in the bible he is delivering a message, or carries out one of God’s orders. Keep in mind that demons are angels that serve under Satan. Angels can only do what there told and there main purpose is to aid God in the testing of humans. From the first scripture in Genesis 16:7 to Revelation 22:16 angels are always doing what they are told, and it makes them happy. That’s the way God designed them. So one can only come to the conclusion that Satan is doing what God designed him to do. It kind of makes them big, advanced dogs. When put in that perspective, how different is he from anyone else.

Now if Satan were to fail, then all of existence would need to be started over again so that we can try to retake the test. Unfortunately there is no learning curve, so we have to help each other. Ultimately, the devil is just doing his job, and he does it well. I can’t hold it against him. In the end he’s doing Gods will.

OOPS: http://tinyurl.com/768o7

Forgot to add the source.

[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 07-01-2005).]

Yes a very interesting hypothesis that contains large amounts of truth, I always knew subconciously about that law of physics Newton made up but i've never really thought about Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory being a representation of the bible and religion. In the South Park movie Satan says in a song that there has to be evil for good to exist, i guess that is the same theory. In the bible it said that the reason Satan got pissed off was bevcause humans had free choice and angels didn't and the he used his free choice to go to hell, that makes no sense as he didn't have free choice to begin with.

You have revealed alot of stuff to me and I thank you because it is very hard to do that.

*Midgetbasketball*

That is a good analogy.

Marilyn Manson thinks Willy Wonka is a great representation of Satan. Apparently he was going to play him in the new movie. Not sure why Johnny Deppe got the part, maybe nobody would let their kids work with Marilyn Manson.

I thought the Wonkavator at the end of the movie was a penis metaphor.

MasterPython:

Because Tim Burton made the film, and as I am sure you are aware, he and Johhny have been best buddies forever.

Not to mention it is a very typical character for Johnny to do. If it's off the wall, unorthodox, and heartfelt, he is going to be on it (like flies on pie).

Besides, Marilyn Manson is a self-induced freak, and I think it would hurt the publicity of a "children's" movie to have someone like him in it.

Don't get me wrong, I went to his concert when I was 17...I liked the music very much (at the time), so I am not saying this from my own opinion of him.

I can't wait for the new one to come out.

I just watched the original about 50 times this past week, because I rented it for my daughter.

quote:Originally posted by midgetbasketball:



You have revealed alot of stuff to me and I thank you because it is very hard to do that.

*Midgetbasketball*

You are very welcome.

That's a clever analogy, but I wonder if it was deliberate or if somebody has just been reading into this book/movie too much.

Either way, isn't that deliberate ?

Thats a great analogy. I never saw it that way before.

I don't agree with it, but the author has a mighty good point.

Hey, Vazili...

Your screen name is from a movie. Which one ? It's driving me crazy.

I keep thinking of Kaiser Soze from Usual Suspects (I spelled it wrong, I know) !!

You must clear up this mystery immediately.

*smiles*

What don't you agree with and why? Just curious.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Hey, Vazili...

Your screen name is from a movie. Which one ? It's driving me crazy.



Vasily Grigoryevich Zaitsev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Grigoryevich_Zaitsev)

"Enemy at the Gates"

Ah, yes...a great movie.

Thanks, Rust !

(does Jude Law EVER wash his hair ?!)

*shivers*

quote:Originally posted by malaria:

What don't you agree with and why? Just curious.

Because God is not a liar.

He tells us who He is, and who Satan is, cover to cover in the Bible. To believe anything contrary to what He tells us is to say that God is a liar.

Of course, everything serves God by design...that is a given.

But it is not to be understood as God using His own team against us, so that we can "pass the test".

We pass the test by believing in Him, and that's the gyst of it.

He created one team, and the team split up due to differing opinions on the rules of the game.

I agree wholeheartedly that without pain, suffering, and sin we could not know and appreciate all that is good, healing, and cleansed.

The twist this guy puts on his analogy is humanist in nature...all while insulting the glory of the angels.

How does HE know what angels do in HEAVEN ?

The only time angels are written about in the Bible is when humans interract with them. Whenever interraction occurs, it is for a specific purpose, and that purpose is to communicate something from God.

Outside of that, what evidence do we have of what they do ?

It was purely speculation, and defamatory.

Being Biblically unsound does not make you an enlightened Christian.

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malaria:

Was that a sufficient answer ?

Sure, but your logic is mind-boggling.

Angels come down and almost get raped by mob, they send out a hooker to get raped by the mob, hooker comes back, dies, is sliced up into 4 pieces and thrown in all directions of the wind.

/\ *The Bible the ultimate childrens entertainment* Who knows mabey hell is like a never-ending metal concert w/ unlimited drugs but everyone has to be sodomized. And heaven is the opposite of that so its a classical concert/happy hardcore w/o any drugs/sex/gay but s3xor.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Hey, Vazili...

Your screen name is from a movie. Which one ? It's driving me crazy.

I keep thinking of Kaiser Soze from Usual Suspects (I spelled it wrong, I know) !!

You must clear up this mystery immediately.

*smiles*

Enemy at the gates. With Jude Law and Ed harris