not the mod. i was reading i think crowley or The Satanic Rituals and it said something like "for those that chose not to perfect them selfs in the finer arts of the tarot,sephiroth,i ching,etc" i was like wtf is sephiroth. so...wtf is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephiroth_(video_game_character)

Dude, it's just a Final Fantasy charachter.

I can't stand people who always look for the hidden meaning in things......

[This message has been edited by napoleon_complex (edited 06-27-2005).]

You actually believe you can cast spells and such using those books?

not really. i dont use those books.i live out in the middle of fuck nowheres. im very enlightened within my mind. i can quite explain it. ive read about every decent book on every religon. my favs,as youve prob notices,are nietsche,lavey,and crowley. i believe there is some 'other' force out there that i can harness and i do it in the best way i can. if you have read the works of lavey i really go for the hole will power,imagery,desire,etc method currently. im also checking out ancient shit like druidry. havent studied up much on that.

o and i found it. page eleven of The Satanic Rituals. ill quit being lazy and look it up myself.

quote:Originally posted by Kannabis Korbano:

not really. i dont use those books.i live out in the middle of fuck nowheres. im very enlightened within my mind. i can quite explain it. ive read about every decent book on every religon. my favs,as youve prob notices,are nietsche,lavey,and crowley. i believe there is some 'other' force out there that i can harness and i do it in the best way i can. if you have read the works of lavey i really go for the hole will power,imagery,desire,etc method currently. im also checking out ancient shit like druidry. havent studied up much on that.

It is interesting to note that you have read so many books, yet didn't bother to adopt the vocabulary or structure they conveyed.

I wish you luck on finding whatever it is you are looking for, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefirot

Sephiroth is a different transliteration from the Hebrew: samech-fay-yud-resh-vav-tav.

Kabbalah came first, FFVII second. I love both. It was an appropriate name for me.

FFVII > Kabbalah.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

It is interesting to note that you have read so many books, yet didn't bother to adopt the vocabulary or structure they conveyed.

I wish you luck on finding whatever it is you are looking for, though.

i do but im to lazy and dont feel like wasting good words on totse. yeah it was some kabbalah bullshit. whats the diff between madonnas kabbalah and crowleys quaballa? and to paradise lost. i was just saying that you seem to have a good POV on religon and are a regular of this forum and i needed some thing for the 100% unnoficial totse digest(suscribe @ www.angelfire.com/zine2/tdigest (http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/tdigest)) and i was b0r3d 4s fl_lcl<1ng h3LL





[This message has been edited by Kannabis Korbano (edited 06-27-2005).]

I think Seph, being a Jew and someone who understands the Kabbala better than I ever could would be a better person to answer your question, Kannabis.

Seph, can you give your take on the general contempt held for people like Maddona, within the Kabbalist circles, and why ?

Thanks, dollface.

Christian, and pagan applications of Kabbalah are generally not accepted for a number of reasons. Christian Kabbalah tries most often to use it to justify their trinity (they get three from ten) and challenge the oneness of God which Judaism has ever clinged to and misunderstands the status of the sefirot as separate beings rather than the channels by which God interacts with the universe which they are. Pagan kabbalah generally takes the distorted Chrsitian kabbalah and runs with it and becomes bullcrap. Kabbalah is based mainly on a couple written works, which Kabbalah believers claim to be either divinely inspired or trace their lineage back to certain prophets or patriarchs through the oral and midrashic traditions. These books are the Sefer Raziel HaMalakh, the Sefer Yetzirah, the Bahir, and the Zohar. The Zohar is considered the most important of these works, followed by the Sefer Yetzirah. Jewish mystical literature has a way of being meaningless to anyone without an extensive knowledge of the Tanakh, the Talmud, and the Midrashic literature that goes along with it. The reading and subsequent interpretation of the works by untrained minds is the obvious root of the apostacy of Christian and Pagan Kabbalah.

The Kabbalah of Madonna comes from the Kabbalah Centre. The objection modern Kabbalists have to that organisation is that, although it began as an honest effort to bring Kabbalah learning to the masses, it has since secularised its teachings and removed the Judaisitic and even theistic aspects that form the basis of the entire mysticism and has degraded into new-age pseudo-religious pollution.

< kannabis korbanos new username.

i see. when you say pagan kabbalah you are refering to crowleys quaballa,correct?

His and others...

It should be noted that extensive learning of Kabbalah is generally restricted to males of 40 years of age who are married. This is to approximate their level of learning in broader Jewish law (Hallakhah), which is required to understand the works upon which the mysticism is based.