just a quick question for someone who knows the answer...

is it only the catholics who are against contraception and stem cell research etc or are there other groups of christians too? and if ther happens to be a catholics reply to this can someone briefly explain to me the reasoning behind anti contraception etc?

Most, if not all christian sects are against contraception and stem cell research.

Why? Because it is unnatural. It goes against nature, and therefore they believe it goes against God.

Birth control is as "unnatural" as medicine, and they are not against medicine.

There must be a better explanation than that...

http://tinyurl.com/a52y2

It's a pdf.

Catholics are even against natural birth control like pulling out or only fucking during an infertile time. Even though both are lousy it's and the second one is a good way to get pregnat it's the thought that counts.

im originally catholic.

they are against condoms because sex is not for pleasure its for making babies

to have sex with a condom is to kill a child purposefully

in that if you have sex and do not become pregnant the child died by accident.

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

Catholics are even against natural birth control like pulling out or only fucking during an infertile time. Even though both are lousy it's and the second one is a good way to get pregnat it's the thought that counts.

Ummm.....no.

The Catholic Church completely endorses natural family planning.

"Rhythm method", A.K.A. "Deliberately planning to ejaculate inside her vagina when you know she is not ovulating, so as to not get her pregnant, wasting your sperm in the process" = A-Okay!

Condom. A.K.A "Deliberately planning to ejaculate on a latex balloon so as to not get her pregnant, wasting your sperm in the process " = Unnatural! The work of the devil himself!

And???????

I think it's evident. It's a very idiotic belief.

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quote:Originally posted by Rust:

"Rhythm method", A.K.A. "Deliberately planning to ejaculate inside her vagina when you know she is not ovulating, so as to not get her pregnant, wasting your sperm in the process" = A-Okay!

Condom. A.K.A "Deliberately planning to ejaculate on a latex balloon so as to not get her pregnant, wasting your sperm in the process " = Unnatural! The work of the devil himself!

Actually I believe the rhythm method is also off limits, because of its direct intent to waste sperm...don't know though. For Judaism, you're fine as long as it's somewhere inside her...according to the Rambam it could be in her ear as far as God cares... This is because it's not quite about wasting sperm for Jews...although that is a factor...it's more to do with your wife having sole authority over your sex life. She has more rights to your sperm than you do, essentially.

They call it "periodic abstinence" or "Natural Family Planning".

They accept the periodic abstinence, but condemn its abuse.

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0502fea2.asp

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

They call it "periodic abstinence" or "Natural Family Planning".

They accept the periodic abstinence, but condemn its abuse.

http ://www.cat holic.com/ thisrock/2005/0502fea2.asp (http: //www.cath olic.com/t hisrock/20 05/0502fea 2.asp)



The Popes make new rules over the bible, makeing them sins or doctrine etc.

Since the Bible does not address the issue of birth control I believe that birth control is not a sin provided it is not abortive, and provided that the motives to do so are wise and biblical.

Yet again I do not belong to any church.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

I think it's evident. It's a very idiotic belief.

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I agree.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

I think it's evident. It's a very idiotic belief.



I'm sure they feel the same way with some of your beliefs.

Why do you even care what the Church teaches?

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

I'm sure they feel the same way with some of your beliefs.



No, they can't. That would be against their commandments!

quote:

Why do you even care what the Church teaches?

Well, if the world wasn't filled with Catholics, then I wouldn't. But alas, it is. So I want to speak out against what I feel are erroneous frames of thoughts.

Just like they speak out against atheists, there is no difference.

Why do you care why I care?

Curiosity.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

Just like they speak out against atheists, there is no difference.



Woah, watch the generalizations, man, only the fiery bastards do that, not us average Catholics.

I said "they", not "every single catholic in the world". You're purposely defining "they" to be a generalization, when it could easily mean "fiery bastards".

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^ You are a twat

Thank you.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

Thank you.



I wont assume you are thanking anyone in this thread as that would be walking into the trap which i planned on laying goddamn it.

I can't understand what you just said.

the plan was you react to my statement which i then defend by definining You as something which it clearly isnt such as a mispelling of yew the best kindof tree for a graveyard.

But... then you said thank you which left my plan in an awkward position because if i then said you're welcome you could come back by saying you werent refering to me you were refering to someone else look its 3.59am it makes sense o.k.

I knew it all along! I'm a genius.

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Anyways, you didn't understand what I'm saying. I'm not redefining "they" to mean something else.

What I was saying is that he is claiming I made a generalization because he believes I meant "all catholics" when I said "they", but I could have been referring to the catholics he calls "fiery bastards", and not all catholics.

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as if you lucked out just like catholics lucked out by being baptised at birth and hence avoiding eternal damnation in the long run you lose i can't prove it but i dont have too mwahahaha ah salvation will be mine *goes to sleep*

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*Could* but come on it was quite clearly a cheap shot which was the point of my cunningly constructed trap which then fell apart.

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quote:Originally posted by Rust:

Well, if the world wasn't filled with Catholics, then I wouldn't. But alas, it is. So I want to speak out against what I feel are erroneous frames of thoughts.

Just like they speak out against atheists, there is no difference.



Okay...in the top paragraph, you're speaking of Catholics. When you speak about Catholics, unless you specifically define otherwise, you're speaking of every single Catholic. Just like when you say, "Those damn Jews!", you're speaking of all of those damned Jews, not certain ones.

If you said, "Those damn Jews in the store...", obviously you'd be speaking of the certain Jews in whatever store you were speaking of.

You didn't make any specifics, however, as you just spoke of Catholics. In your second paragraph, you clearly said, "they", which refers to the group you were previously speaking of, in this case all Catholics (as previously stated).

So, if you follow my argument, you'll see that, whether you intended to or not, you spoke of all Catholics.

Oh, and no offense to Judaism, that was just a hypothetical example.

Words have a very specific meaning, and until you understand each one's individual meaning, you shouldn't speak them.

Catholics smell.

quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

Okay...in the top paragraph, you're speaking of Catholics. When you speak about Catholics, unless you specifically define otherwise, you're speaking of every single Catholic. Just like when you say, "Those damn Jews!", you're speaking of all of those damned Jews, not certain ones.

If you said, "Those damn Jews in the store...", obviously you'd be speaking of the certain Jews in whatever store you were speaking of.

You didn't make any specifics, however, as you just spoke of Catholics. In your second paragraph, you clearly said, "they", which refers to the group you were previously speaking of, in this case all Catholics (as previously stated).

So, if you follow my argument, you'll see that, whether you intended to or not, you spoke of all Catholics.

Oh, and no offense to Judaism, that was just a hypothetical example.

Words have a very specific meaning, and until you understand each one's individual meaning, you shouldn't speak them.

Wrong. Look at what you're doing:

"In your second paragraph, you clearly said, "they", which refers to the group you were previously speaking of, in this case all Catholics"

You're purposely inserting the word "all" when you previously stated that I never specified! So therefore the "they" refers to an unspecified group of Catholics.

Can it be assumed that it was "all Catholics"? Sure it can, just as it can be assumed that it was not, since it wasn't specified either way. Like I said, you're purposely taking it to mean "All Catholics" when it can certainly mean "just some".

This is just a trivial argument. Let's say I generalized, which you can't possibly know, and I am not admitting to such a thing; so what? I'm sorry if that trivial generalization caused you so much pain...

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

Wrong. Look at what you're doing:

"In your second paragraph, you clearly said, "they", which refers to the group you were previously speaking of, in this case all Catholics"

You're purposely inserting the word "all" when you previously stated that I never specified! So therefore the "they" refers to an unspecified group of Catholics.

Can it be assumed that it was "all Catholics"? Sure it can, just as it can be assumed that it was not, since it wasn't specified either way. Like I said, you're purposely taking it to mean "All Catholics" when it can certainly mean "just some".

This is just a trivial argument. Let's say I generalized, which you can't possibly know, and I am not admitting to such a thing; so what? I'm sorry if that trivial generalization caused you so much pain...

It doesn't cause me any pain, but if you speak of a group, you speak of the entirity of that group, unless you specify otherwise. I'm just telling you to watch your words in the future, because it may cause you some trouble.

He doesn't mind, trust me.

quote:Originally posted by Sephiroth:

Actually I believe the rhythm method is also off limits, because of its direct intent to waste sperm...don't know though. For Judaism, you're fine as long as it's somewhere inside her...according to the Rambam it could be in her ear as far as God cares... This is because it's not quite about wasting sperm for Jews...although that is a factor...it's more to do with your wife having sole authority over your sex life. She has more rights to your sperm than you do, essentially.



The three rights a woman has that her husband cannot deny her. Food Shelter and Sex, the principle of Onah right?

quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

It doesn't cause me any pain, but if you speak of a group, you speak of the entirity of that group, unless you specify otherwise. I'm just telling you to watch your words in the future, because it may cause you some trouble.

You're again purposely defining that I must be speaking of every single Catholic, if I don't specify, which is certainly not a rule or a law. I can speak about whichever percentage of the Catholic population whenever I say "they". It would be up to you to ask me to disambiguate my statement.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

He doesn't mind, trust me.



How cute. Any more meaningless posts? I'm having a ball reading all of them!

You not minding trouble...

Apparently you took that as an insult ?

Lighten up, dood.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

You're again purposely defining that I must be speaking of every single Catholic, if I don't specify, which is certainly not a rule or a law. I can speak about whichever percentage of the Catholic population whenever I say "they". It would be up to you to ask me to disambiguate my statement.

I don't know who the fuck your English teacher was, but she/he was obviously a dumbfuck. Possibly that or your another one of those fucks who wasted their education away (like so many American teenagers).

Either way, you don't know shit about using pronouns.

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quote:Originally posted by The Marksman:

im originally catholic.

they are against condoms because sex is not for pleasure its for making babies

to have sex with a condom is to kill a child purposefully

in that if you have sex and do not become pregnant the child died by accident.

So, along this line of thinking, every year, thousands of babies are killed and thrown away in wadded up kleenexes by the men of America.