other than the catchall explanation of "original sin", can someone who believes that man is flawed and sinful naturally explain to me their personal beliefs on why they think as they do?

Because if we were all perfect, there would be no crime, hate, evil.

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not perfect, perhaps, but a blank slate?

atention I AM GOD

i don't quite understand your question. do you want to know if someone believes a person is naturally sinful (that is born not in a state of grace)? and you want to know why? But you don't want someone who believes in original sin? it seems that no one would say a person is born in sin except if he believes in original sin (that is precisely what original sin is). or do i misunderstand what you're saying?

lick my ring

quote:Originally posted by xXPhoenixFireXx:

Because if we were all perfect, there would be no crime, hate, evil.

No. If we were all perfect there would be no need for God or the Church.

Example. Humans have a tendancy to kill each other even before civilization and coalescence of ideas, killing is bad, therefore we are originally flawed.

first of all,joey196983434934789274 whatever,Ich bin god. ICH <<<< i,I,IIIII,MEEEEEEEEEE,having you firgured that out yet you necrophiliac son of a bitch. anyway,to thread starter,i think i know what your saying and you have just found yourself another flaw in the christian philosophy. you had some odd wording but, am i right?