Question to any atheist

[ArgonPlasma2000]

What makes you so sure that there is no God? What is your reasoning behind such ideas?

And relgion flaming is nt welcomed here: I want reasoning only.

[umop 3pisdn]

Lack of proof. There's more than enough proof for the Big Bang and evolution, but there's no way we can measure God. Not in ways we know, that is.

If you start thinking in parallel universa, it could be. But it's a +1 for science too then.

I'm not Athiest, but I don't believe in a personal god--I'm Agnostic. I believe in souls and life forces and such like that, but not some guy in the sky getting pissed when I jerk off or have kinky monkey sex with my girlfriend.

The burden of proof lies with those who seek to prove the existance of something. Going around assuming something exists isn't the correct way to do ANY inquiry. One must first deny the thing exists, then prove that it does.

Oh, and by the way, there isn't "more than enough" proof for the big bang. We base the Big Bang off of precieved redshift based on far away quasars, which modern observations indicate my inheritly have light emissions shifted towards the red spectrum--not because of speed, but because of the energy they produce.

Proof: "far away" quasars interacting with closeby galaxies.

-Dust

I simply do not agree with any present views on god. Every post on this forum says way. Peoples current views on god just don't work. The only people who believe are the people who were brought up that way and are unwilling to let go of their views. Most people on this forum I don't think are actually against god, they just don't understand the meaning of atheism. As god is not a defined thing you can view it as anything really, not merely from the christian standpoint, even from a scientific standpoint, and religion and science can be merged in that essence. Most people on these forums are just against christianity which is largely against many human moral ethical as well as scientific issues as are most established religions at thig point. Atheism means you are violently against the existance of god and are sure there is none.

maybe its cause theres so much uncertainty based around the whole issue. There're so many many holy books that to believe in one god would be to dismiss all the others. and practicaly all descriptions of any god ive read about in any holy book always seems impossible. omnipotence is impossible (can god build a house he cant break?) and all the gods you read about are based around one particular culture. the egyptian gods are based around water and farming, the romans around war, heaven in the koran based around water and trees lacking in the desert culture. it all seems like a creation of man to me. and of course the ancient argument: if god realy exists, why hasnt he shown himself for 2000 odd years?

also in my opinion, if there was something all powerful, all knowing and soooooo much greater than us, he'd be pretty apathetic wouldnt he? i mean if you had an ant hill in your garden would you bother playing god for it? if this being does exist he's got soooooooo much else to worry aobut (the universe is a big place) that us praying to him would be pretty futile. why should all his creations and rules (heaven, hell, etc) be based around humans at all? is he singular to this world? does he rule of alpha centauri as well? you can see theres plenty of reasons to be doubtful for any of us who aren't brought up to any one religion. thats just my opinion. (see "god cant be that nice a guy")

because having an omnipotent deity and having free will are mutually exclusive. and that many of the religions i've read about are seriously fubar.

[Siatek]

Look through the board there are a thousand and one arguaments about it- For me it coems down to this; Lack of proof, makes no logical sense, god has never been there for me etc. etc.

It takes balls to be an atheist, if we're wrong then we're going to hell, it'd be much easier to be a believer, but heh.

hay Argon what makes you sure that there is a god

shove that done your holy hole

[quote]Originally posted by midgetbasketball:

[b]hay Argon what makes you sure that there is a god

good point.... 20 bucks says you were raised christian by someone in your family. try this: if you weren't raised christian, that very same god who you love with all your heart and who loves you with all his heart would cast you aside as an outcast, brand your tongue with a red B, peel your skin off with a blunt knife and pack you off to satan who'll whip and torture you for the rest of eternity, burning your skin off as it regrows in the pits of hell.

My problem with god and religion is that it evolves in a culture, think about the ancient egyptians they thought that dung beatles were holy, but an aztec isn't going to believe a dung beatle is holy because they had no concept of them, they believed in humming birds instead so it evolved from what they saw around themselves.

People believe in god because it makes every hting easier, in a hard situation you don't have to reason it yourself just read the bible, you can't decide if something is wrong or right, read the bible, people just need a guide and a reason to exist, and they find this in organized religion.

Good point, it's not surprising that a desert people would come up with a harsh god.

quote:Originally posted by AboveTheDust:



Oh, and by the way, there isn't "more than enough" proof for the big bang. We base the Big Bang off of precieved redshift based on far away quasars, which modern observations indicate my inheritly have light emissions shifted towards the red spectrum--not because of speed, but because of the energy they produce.

Proof: "far away" quasars interacting with closeby galaxies.

-Dust

...there's a bit more to it than that. Read "The First Three Minutes".

Untill god shows it's self i'm not beleaving, simple as that.

sounds fair to me... anything to the contrary argon?

[ArgonPlasma2000]

quote:Originally posted by cheapandugly:

because having an omnipotent deity and having free will are mutually exclusive. and that many of the religions i've read about are seriously fubar.

Ive addressed the free will and omnipotence issue, look back a few pages.

[ArgonPlasma2000]

[quote]quote:Originally posted by Sarith:

[b]

Originally posted by midgetbasketball:

hay Argon what makes you sure that there is a god

good point.... 20 bucks says you were raised christian by someone in your family. try this: if you weren't raised christian, that very same god who you love with all your heart and who loves you with all his heart would cast you aside as an outcast, brand your tongue with a red B, peel your skin off with a blunt knife and pack you off to satan who'll whip and torture you for the rest of eternity, burning your skin off as it regrows in the pits of hell.

Then you have your 20. But that isnt for this topic. Ive stated why i have reason to believe that chirstianity is correct. No need for me to reiterate and derail my topic.

But yea, if i am right, then the God i wouldnt have believed in damns me to hell. But im glad for my atheistic sake that God said he gives everyone at least one chance.

[ArgonPlasma2000]

quote:Originally posted by thedarkmaster:

Untill god shows it's self i'm not beleaving, simple as that.

Well if we are to believe that Jesus is coming back sometime within this lifetime, you wont be going to heaven anyway. Youv had your chance to convert at some point in your life. During the tribultation, only those who havent heard the Gospel will have even the chance to have salvation. And then you have to do good works and survive the seven years.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Then you have your 20. But that isnt for this topic. Ive stated why i have reason to believe that chirstianity is correct. No need for me to reiterate and derail my topic.

But yea, if i am right, then the God i wouldnt have believed in damns me to hell. But im glad for my atheistic sake that God said he gives everyone at least one chance.

point me in the right direction.. where DO you state why you're a christian?

also, out of curiosity, is this god singular to this planet? would you pray to him on mars? or some other galaxy where there is life? wouldnt' that galaxy have a god you created aliens in his own image hance damning you to hell as long as your out of earths jurisdiction? what makes you so sure the koran is swrong and the bible is right? theres more evidence to say the koran is real than there is for the bible. basically, your beliefs are illogical--not to you cause you were brought up that way but to us, you scrutinize everything we hear. to us all these religious books have an equal chance of being right. to you its the bible (casue you were brought up that way). you realise that your mind is as open to the issue as ours? (not an inssult!!! i mean if we were brought up die hard born agains then we probably would be!)

point me in the right direction.. where DO you state why you're a christian?

also, out of curiosity, is this god singular to this planet? would you pray to him on mars? or some other galaxy where there is life? wouldnt' that galaxy have a god who created aliens in his own image hance damning you to hell as long as your out of earths jurisdiction? what makes you so sure the koran is wrong and the bible is right? theres more evidence to say the koran is real than there is for the bible. basically, your beliefs are illogical--not to you cause you were brought up that way but to us, who scrutinize everything we hear. to us all these religious books have an equal chance of being right. to you its the bible (casue you were brought up that way). you realise that your mind is not as open to the issue as ours? (not an inssult!!! i mean if we were brought up die hard born agains then we probably would be!)

I personally don't believe because of a lack of faith on my part. I find most religous principals implausable, although good moral guidelines. At this time, it is impossible to prove the existance of a god, but I try to bear in mind that it's also impossible to disprove it. I was brought up in an atheist familly, and I think this is one of the main reasons.

[Adorkable]

Most atheists aren't sure that god doesn't exist.

quote:Originally posted by umop 3pisdn:

Lack of proof. There's more than enough proof for the Big Bang and evolution, but there's no way we can measure God. Not in ways we know, that is.

If you start thinking in parallel universa, it could be. But it's a +1 for science too then.

There has to be a higher being where did the first particle of matter come from ....what made the big bang occur.

quote:Originally posted by thedarkmaster:

Untill god shows it's self i'm not beleaving, simple as that.

The whole reason that it's called having faith is because you trust its existence without proof.

Anyways, I guess you could say I'm an atheist. I don't get mad at people for being faithful to a certain religion or anything (except for maybe those 'good christians' like Focus On The Family), I just believe that if god really does exist, then he should be able to understand that I have my doubts. If a heaven really does exist, then I believe that you shouldn't have to spend every waking moment to worship god to get to it, but rather to do good deeds that help the world.

Oh yeah, and for all of you who insist that The Bible stories such as Adam & Eve are not real... well, NO SHIT. The Bible is used as a metaphor, it's not what literally happened. Why some people believe the Earth is only a couple hundred years old and evidence such as dinosaur bones were placed there by the devil to make you think otherwise still escapes me.

[This message has been edited by Arrow2brain (edited 05-14-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by Adorkable:

Most atheists aren't sure that god doesn't exist.

Well, there is always going to be a doubt because as stated before, there is no way to disprove god. Yet.

The reason im athiest is because there is much more evidence pointing towards evolution and the big bang (no one mentioned that echo people picked up at an observatory.)

Also, saying that god put all the matter there in the first place to set off the big bang is as good as saying i put the matter there. Can you prove that i didnt? Huh?

edit: added a ) and corrected the first sentence.

[This message has been edited by Some Old Drunk Guy (edited 05-14-2005).]