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My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged.

 
 
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Old 2005-03-23, 02:03
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i was born in a family that let me belive is one god ...... why did not teach me about crist or muhhamid....

after reading the bible over and over again i have some qs.

there are verses that tell that jesus is the son of god...aren't we all children of god?

i think crist is a prophet... so that leads me to Islam.(i haven't read those books yet) but it sounds to me that the bible is changing its meanings and views in every chapter...like is jesus god or a prophet?

the islamic books include messeges like ..bringing terror to unbelievers.. but messeges like that aren't tricking you are they? they just bring to culter something that people are afraid of ...punishment by death..
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Old 2005-03-23, 02:11
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Your post is hard to read.

I'll try to answer some things in short answer, though:

"there are verses that tell that jesus is the son of god...aren't we all children of god?"

-- Yes.

"i think crist is a prophet... so that leads me to Islam.(i haven't read those books yet) but it sounds to me that the bible is changing its meanings and views in every chapter...like is jesus god or a prophet?"

-- Both. Some Christians don't believe he is God, though. You don't have to agree with everything to be part of the religion.

"the islamic books include messeges like ..bringing terror to unbelievers.. but messeges like that aren't tricking you are they? they just bring to culter something that people are afraid of ...punishment by death.."

-- All up to interpretation.
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Old 2005-03-23, 04:24
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quote:Originally posted by diffview4290:

there are verses that tell that jesus is the son of god...aren't we all children of god?

i think crist is a prophet... so that leads me to Islam.(i haven't read those books yet) but it sounds to me that the bible is changing its meanings and views in every chapter...like is jesus god or a prophet?

Yes, Jesus is the Son of God. Yes, we are sons/daughters of God.

Jesus is the only begotten son. We are only sons by "adoption", if we believe that Jesus is the Christ (Annointed One) sent to redeem the lost and accept the gift of that redemption (forgiveness).

The only way that Jesus could be the Christ is if He was God himself and be human at the same time. Because only God can be perfect but only man can have (be infected with) sin.

I appologize that I crammed a ton of Christian theology boiled down to less than 100 words.

Christ was not a prophet, He is God.
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Old 2005-03-23, 04:30
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Yes, Jesus is the Son of God. Yes, we are sons/daughters of God.

Jesus is the only begotten son. We are only sons by "adoption", if we believe that Jesus is the Christ (Annointed One) sent to redeem the lost and accept the gift of that redemption (forgiveness).

The only way that Jesus could be the Christ is if He was God himself and be human at the same time. Because only God can be perfect but only man can have (be infected with) sin.

I appologize that I crammed a ton of Christian theology boiled down to less than 100 words.

Christ was not a prophet, He is God.
then..... how come he talks about his father that is in heaven? ...

just a question not wanting to argu



in a min i'll look up some verses i need understanding of.



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Old 2005-03-23, 04:59
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quote:Originally posted by diffview4290:

i was born in a family that let me belive is one god ...... why did not teach me about crist or muhhamid....

after reading the bible over and over again i have some qs.

there are verses that tell that jesus is the son of god...aren't we all children of god?

i think crist is a prophet... so that leads me to Islam.(i haven't read those books yet) but it sounds to me that the bible is changing its meanings and views in every chapter...like is jesus god or a prophet?

the islamic books include messeges like ..bringing terror to unbelievers.. but messeges like that aren't tricking you are they? they just bring to culter something that people are afraid of ...punishment by death..


Yes, Jesus is the son of God. We are also the sons of God but this refers to us in a sense that we are his creation. When you read the Holy Bible you must undesrtand that it was written a long time ago in a different culture and in a different language, thus you must be very careful when you interpret it. Keep in mind that the bible wasn't faxed down by God. It was inspired by God through men of flesh and bone like u and me.
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Old 2005-03-23, 05:51
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quote:Originally posted by diffview4290:

then..... how come he talks about his father that is in heaven? ...

just a question not wanting to argu



in a min i'll look up some verses i need understanding of.

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but if i am understanding you, then:

The short answer is that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are 3 seperate Persons and at the same time, One Personal God.

If this doesnt come close, please elaborate.
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Old 2005-03-23, 06:15
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quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but if i am understanding you, then:

The short answer is that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are 3 seperate Persons and at the same time, One Personal God.

If this doesnt come close, please elaborate.


Oh, i think i understand where the question was coming from.. i think you were asking from the point of my statement that the Christ was not a prophet, He is God.



If i understand you now, the answer would be;

1. Jesus is the only begotten (meaning He was born in the flesh but He was not created--like Adam and decendants; since He was not created, He was fully God) (in the flesh means that He was fully human)

2. Even before He was born into a human body, He existed.

3. prophets are not God, but are used by God for His purpose of telling something He wants us to know.

4. refer to previous post.. (short answer about the Trinity).

I hope this helped. If not, let me know.

Also, have you asked a pastor/minister/priest your questions? They would be more qualified to answer them and a face to face pow-wow might be able to address things better.
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Old 2005-03-23, 09:33
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quote:Originally posted by malaria:

Your post is hard to read.

I'll try to answer some things in short answer, though:

"there are verses that tell that jesus is the son of god...aren't we all children of god?"

-- Yes.

"i think crist is a prophet... so that leads me to Islam.(i haven't read those books yet) but it sounds to me that the bible is changing its meanings and views in every chapter...like is jesus god or a prophet?"

-- Both. Some Christians don't believe he is God, though. You don't have to agree with everything to be part of the religion.

"the islamic books include messeges like ..bringing terror to unbelievers.. but messeges like that aren't tricking you are they? they just bring to culter something that people are afraid of ...punishment by death.."

-- All up to interpretation.
Cheers,

Lost
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Old 2005-03-26, 23:57
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thanks good friends.
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Old 2005-03-27, 13:37
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You convert?
 


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