Whats the point of him anyways? What makes 'him' so damn holy? Just kill him first then take the rest of him. Whos with me?

I would just like to see what the christian community would do if their damn holy father got fucking assainated. It would be great.

Heh, idiot.

Some dude shot the pope (same pope) 15 years ago. He's serving a life sentence or dead, I don't remember which. The pope forgave him.

quote:Originally posted by Tarnak:

Heh, idiot.

Some dude shot the pope (same pope) 15 years ago. He's serving a life sentence or dead, I don't remember which. The pope forgave him.

You see!! The pope's a fucking retard.

quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

I would just like to see what the christian community would do if their damn holy father got fucking assainated. It would be great.

You do realize that would only make people band closer together, don't you?

quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

You see!! The pope's a fucking retard.

Do you think anyone here really will respect your opinions when you say stupid, immature things like that?

Whether you are a Christian, is the Pope not doing the right thing by forgiving him?

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But wait, if the pope forgave him, why did they kill him? "I forgive you for fucking my wife, but I am going to cut your cock off anyway!"

forgiving doesn't mean letting a phsyco on the loose

He said "why did they kill him", not "why didn't they let him loose".

In any case, he wasn't executed, nor did the serve all of his sentence.

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I wanted to know what hes good for anyways.. Why is he so special answer that.

Well he is the head of the Roman Catholic Church. He apparently helps that thing along slightly...And he helps decide doctrine of the Church

Is the pope like 150 now?

i dont know but i think i might just call hitman!

The pope wanted to get in touch with the younger generatin, so he changed his name to Pope john Paul George Ringo

I find it strange that everywhere bored_test_subject is Nazi seems to follow...

Coincidence?

I think not.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

I find it strange that everywhere bored_test_subject is Nazi seems to follow...

Coincidence?

I think not.

Cheers,

Lost

He always does seem to fallow me. I think he likes to take all the atention away from me. Such a whore. I wish he would just leave, i think hes in love with me or something. Do you see me fallowing the stupid fucker? No, sometimes i post on his threads but not like he does. Jeez what a fucking pansy.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

I find it strange that everywhere bored_test_subject is Nazi seems to follow...

Coincidence?

I think not.

Cheers,

Lost

That's a bannable offense.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

I find it strange that everywhere bored_test_subject is Nazi seems to follow...

Coincidence?

I think not.

Cheers,

Lost

Huh why is everybody talking about me. I don't even noticed half the people who wrote the shit I read. I guess that bored just writes a lot of shit that I feel strongly about. So damn sorry. And plus I post on a lot of things. And I post my own topics so just back off. Just because your a mod dosen't mean you can be a bitch.





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quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

Huh why is everybody talking about me. I don't even noticed half the people who wrote the shit I read. I guess that bored just writes a lot of shit that I feel strongly about. So damn sorry. And plus I post on a lot of things. And I post my own topics so just back off.



BAn the fucker hes annoying me.

God! Why does everbody hate me!?!?! Is it because my names Nazi? hhmmmm.

quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

God! Why does everbody hate me!?!?! Is it because my names Nazi? hhmmmm.

NO its because you are an attention whore who will say anything just to get a response. You know you like it even when people talk shit about you, which is the reeason your name is Nazi in the first place. Just go the fuck away.

Hahaha and thats the same reason you post incredibly retarded shit. Just for attention. And if you go to humanities and find my post about why everybody hates nazis and go towards the end of the thread. Bored says that I am awesome. It's pretty funny actually. Just go quick before he edits it.

quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

Hahaha and thats the same reason you post incredibly retarded shit. Just for attention. And if you go to humanities and find my post about why everybody hates nazis and go towards the end of the thread. Bored says that I am awesome. It's pretty funny actually. Just go quick before he edits it.

Im not gonna edit it becuase then you were awsome, you just stated your fact then left. Now tho you state your fact talk about killing christians or any one else at that then leave ruining my serious stuff. Dick.

Because the serious stuff that you post I feel strongly about too. And plus more then half of the shit you post isn't serious.

Heil! Hykel! Adeniod Hynkel!

quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

Just because your a mod dosen't mean you can be a bitch.



No, no, no. That's exactly what that means.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

No, no, no. That's exactly what that means.

Cheers,

Lost

Ah, well you doing a very good job of it then.

So, anyone taking bets? This year or next?

To get back on topic.

I believe the Pope is a very holy, good man. As much as immature, 14 year old athiests think he is the epitome of the evils of Christianity; he is actually easily one of the most liberal christian leaders in the world, if not all important religious leaders.

He is an easy target, like the whole Catholic church. What these little Pubescent athiests don't like to realize or admit is that the Catholic church of the last 50 years is a very different one than the Catholic Church of crusades, inquisitions, and "evanglelizing". And then to go further, how many these people don't like to acknowledge how many of the eras of "abuse" were actually just when martial, political, or economic gains used the church as a catalyst for "the cause".

The Catholic church today, though still very "old school" in pomp and process and Mass. Alot of it's doctrine, especially that of the last few centuries is pretty damn forward thinking and reasonable; especially for a Christian faith. And the majority of this can be credited to Pope John Paul II. Though some newer (since '96 or so)doctrine has been somewhat disturbing, and very out of place compared to the contemporary doctrinal direction. Most religiously liberal Catholic theologians credit these "out of place" doctrinals to the Popes right hand man, whose name escapes me now; but he's a hardcore old-school, very orthodox cleric. Who, take this as you will; was a Hitler Youth in his, well, youth.

I believe the Pope is pretty legitamite, but not in the way most people do. The Pope and whole Vatican history bascially say that the Pope has a "special" connection to God. I think this is a half-truth. I think it is true with John Paul II; but certainly not the majority of Popes. My feelings and beliefs of what God's "essence" or spirit, or purpose, or whatever is; lead me to think John Paul II is definately very holy and though I cannot truly be the judge of this and probably shouldn't compare things like this as it's not my place; but he's probably a better Christian than a great majority of Christians.

Goddamn, I just have all these thoughts racing through my head. I Had so much more to say, but by the time I typed so much already, I basically forgot what I was thinking.

Please continue, on track this time.

Well I would like to add that i am not a 14 immature un-reasonable athiest. Around 8 months ago I was invovled in almost all of my church activities. I was very invovled with God. But soon I realized that it never really came to me that it was at all real. Im not trying to say that everyone should be just like me. Im just saying that what i beleive is not some immature thought. Its an educated decision i made about 3 months ago, and if any one here can convince me to go back i will but for now i enjoy life as much as i did before.

Okay with that being said, Now back on topic.

But really, how old are you. Because your behavior, the way and what you write; it's pretty characteristic of the average, 14 year old Athiest.

I hope you don't think you're freeing yourself from some form of indoctrination here.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

But really, how old are you. Because your behavior, the way and what you write; it's pretty characteristic of the average, 14 year old Athiest.

I hope you don't think you're freeing yourself from some form of indoctrination here.

Fuck you.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

To get back on topic.

I believe the Pope is a very holy, good man. As much as immature, 14 year old athiests think he is the epitome of the evils of Christianity; he is actually easily one of the most liberal christian leaders in the world, if not all important religious leaders.

He is an easy target, like the whole Catholic church. What these little Pubescent athiests don't like to realize or admit is that the Catholic church of the last 50 years is a very different one than the Catholic Church of crusades, inquisitions, and "evanglelizing". And then to go further, how many these people don't like to acknowledge how many of the eras of "abuse" were actually just when martial, political, or economic gains used the church as a catalyst for "the cause".

The Catholic church today, though still very "old school" in pomp and process and Mass. Alot of it's doctrine, especially that of the last few centuries is pretty damn forward thinking and reasonable; especially for a Christian faith. And the majority of this can be credited to Pope John Paul II. Though some newer (since '96 or so)doctrine has been somewhat disturbing, and very out of place compared to the contemporary doctrinal direction. Most religiously liberal Catholic theologians credit these "out of place" doctrinals to the Popes right hand man, whose name escapes me now; but he's a hardcore old-school, very orthodox cleric. Who, take this as you will; was a Hitler Youth in his, well, youth.

I believe the Pope is pretty legitamite, but not in the way most people do. The Pope and whole Vatican history bascially say that the Pope has a "special" connection to God. I think this is a half-truth. I think it is true with John Paul II; but certainly not the majority of Popes. My feelings and beliefs of what God's "essence" or spirit, or purpose, or whatever is; lead me to think John Paul II is definately very holy and though I cannot truly be the judge of this and probably shouldn't compare things like this as it's not my place; but he's probably a better Christian than a great majority of Christians.

Goddamn, I just have all these thoughts racing through my head. I Had so much more to say, but by the time I typed so much already, I basically forgot what I was thinking.

Please continue, on track this time.

Fuck you, and your stupid god. Not only do I hate you but i do hate your stupid fucking fictional charecter that you made up in your fragile fucking mind. I hate the bible. It should be burned. Its as bad as drugs. Giving people a false reason to live. Fuckers.

Ok Mr. Tribe how about you stop accusing people of being immature and get to your real problems of being a damn ignorant christian. I will respect people's religious views as long as the person isn't a prick. And you are a prick. Don't just come into this thread thinking that your all cool because you can call people immature and also "prove" that the pope is so great. Well fuck you and fuck your beliefs. It's pricks like you that I despise so much. I hope you rot in hell sence thats what you believe in. Cunt

[This message has been edited by Nazi (edited 03-10-2005).]

quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

Ok Mr. Tribe how about you stop accusing people of being immature and get to your real problems of being a damn ignorant christian. I will respect people's religious views as long as the person isn't a prick. And you are a prick. Don't just come into this thread thinking that your all cool because you can call people immature and also "prove" that the pope is so great. Well fuck you and fuck your beliefs. It's pricks like you that I despise so much. I hope you rot in hell sence thats what you believe in. Cunt





Is it any less ignorant to assume I'm a christian? Ignorance is as ignorance does.

Was I attempting to "prove" the popes greatness? No, I was answering the goddamn question. The fucking question was "Whats the point of him anyways? What makes 'him' so damn holy?"

I answered.

Deal with it. You know pointless, angry rebuttles are usually a sign of trying to compensate for the feelings of inadequacy, perhaps when someone knows they are incorrect and have been put in their place?

It's also pretty common among those who become "disillusioned". Perhaps your craving to view all christians a certain way has led you to become completely single-minded and unopen to other points of view, that may very well be more valid than yours; which are just stoneset in fear and hatred?

[This message has been edited by aTribeCalledSean (edited 03-10-2005).]

I am adamantly Aethiest and I can still admire the Pope.

Some people simply cannot form their own opinions. Some people must take all of one side as truth or all of another. Christians and Aethiests, Democrats and Republicans, etc. and etc.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:



Is it any less ignorant to assume I'm a christian? Ignorance is as ignorance does.

Was I attempting to "prove" the popes greatness? No, I was answering the goddamn question. The fucking question was "Whats the point of him anyways? What makes 'him' so damn holy?"

I answered.

Deal with it. You know pointless, angry rebuttles are usually a sign of trying to compensate for the feelings of inadequacy, perhaps when someone knows they are incorrect and have been put in their place?

It's also pretty common among those who become "disillusioned". Perhaps your craving to view all christians a certain way has led you to become completely single-minded and unopen to other points of view, that may very well be more valid than yours; which are just stoneset in fear and hatred?



Uh huh. Ok think what you will I'm really tired and I don't want to argue with someone that always thinks they are right. And don't try to guess how I am. Your opinions are shit and so are you. And that's my opinion. Say what you will.And you'll probly take this as that you were right. I don't really care what you think. Your just another pathetic human being on this planet. Just like me and everybody else. Our exsistance is pointless. The only thing we are leading up to is our own self-destruction.

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quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

I would just like to see what the christian community would do if their damn holy father got fucking assainated. It would be great.

Correction: CATHOLIC COMMUNITY

Christianity has nothing to do with the Pope other than the fact that Catholicism incorporated the "Salvation through Faith" theology into their own doctrine.

It would be just another man dying to those of us within the Christian Community that are non-denominational.

I care just as much about the Pope dying as I do about you dying. We all die the same, and no one person should matter more than another.

Oh, and if you think that anyone being "assassinated" would be great, you need help.

I find it humorous when people like Nazi call people like Tribe "Christians", and in the same breath call them "ignorant".

Nazi - Tribe is a Buddhist.

Who is really ignorant here ?

quote:Originally posted by bored_test_subject:

Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

To get back on topic.

I believe the Pope is a very holy, good man. As much as immature, 14 year old athiests think he is the epitome of the evils of Christianity; he is actually easily one of the most liberal christian leaders in the world, if not all important religious leaders.

He is an easy target, like the whole Catholic church. What these little Pubescent athiests don't like to realize or admit is that the Catholic church of the last 50 years is a very different one than the Catholic Church of crusades, inquisitions, and "evanglelizing". And then to go further, how many these people don't like to acknowledge how many of the eras of "abuse" were actually just when martial, political, or economic gains used the church as a catalyst for "the cause".

The Catholic church today, though still very "old school" in pomp and process and Mass. Alot of it's doctrine, especially that of the last few centuries is pretty damn forward thinking and reasonable; especially for a Christian faith. And the majority of this can be credited to Pope John Paul II. Though some newer (since '96 or so)doctrine has been somewhat disturbing, and very out of place compared to the contemporary doctrinal direction. Most religiously liberal Catholic theologians credit these "out of place" doctrinals to the Popes right hand man, whose name escapes me now; but he's a hardcore old-school, very orthodox cleric. Who, take this as you will; was a Hitler Youth in his, well, youth.

I believe the Pope is pretty legitamite, but not in the way most people do. The Pope and whole Vatican history bascially say that the Pope has a "special" connection to God. I think this is a half-truth. I think it is true with John Paul II; but certainly not the majority of Popes. My feelings and beliefs of what God's "essence" or spirit, or purpose, or whatever is; lead me to think John Paul II is definately very holy and though I cannot truly be the judge of this and probably shouldn't compare things like this as it's not my place; but he's probably a better Christian than a great majority of Christians.

Goddamn, I just have all these thoughts racing through my head. I Had so much more to say, but by the time I typed so much already, I basically forgot what I was thinking.

Please continue, on track this time.

Fuck you, and your stupid god. Not only do I hate you but i do hate your stupid fucking fictional charecter that you made up in your fragile fucking mind. I hate the bible. It should be burned. Its as bad as drugs. Giving people a false reason to live. Fuckers.



now u are the sort of people i like

pope is gay

What, exactly, would be so good about the pope being slain? He strikes me as a pretty damned good guy and he's worked hard to promote goodness in the world. If anything, I think we need more people in the world who are willing to give up a fair portion of their life to do stuff like he's done (Face it, not many people would have the balls like he does to go into unfriendly countries and tell their dictators that they're wrong to their faces).

I think the Pope's right-hand man is Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz, some sort of personal secretary if I'm not mistaken.

Redcap

Well what gives him the right to tell people good from bad? Absolutaly nothin. Just because some people might think something is good dosen't mean everbody does. It's a matter of opinion. And he has no right to go and tell people what is right and wrong.

quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

Well what gives him the right to tell people good from bad? Absolutaly nothin. Just because some people might think something is good dosen't mean everbody does. It's a matter of opinion. And he has no right to go and tell people what is right and wrong.

Oh; the irony.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

Oh; the irony.

Oh fuck you cunt. I don't need to hear your shit anymore.

HAHAHA.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

But really, how old are you. Because your behavior, the way and what you write; it's pretty characteristic of the average, 14 year old Athiest.

I hope you don't think you're freeing yourself from some form of indoctrination here.

quote:Originally posted by bored_test_subject:

Fuck you.

He is 14. "Fuck you" says it all.

According to the Bible the Pope isn't holy is he?

Hell-to the-naw.

I was gonna start a thread with this very same name, however, it was because he had gotten sick and went to the hospital a cpl weeks ago.

Anyhow, the death of the Pope and his cohorts will not in any way, stunt the planetary growth of ppl who'll believe and worship in traditional Catholic ways.

quote:Originally posted by ZackBob:

He is 14. "Fuck you" says it all.

According to the Bible the Pope isn't holy is he?



Jesus Christ. Can't you post anything good. No. I think thats obvious. All you can do is say shit about somebody being immature because you have no damn arguement.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Correction: CATHOLIC COMMUNITY

Christianity has nothing to do with the Pope other than the fact that Catholicism incorporated the "Salvation through Faith" theology into their own doctrine.



.

I'm pretty sure that's a load of crap. Catholicism is a Christian religion. Salvation through faith has always been its doctrine.

quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

Jesus Christ. Can't you post anything good. No. I think thats obvious. All you can do is say shit about somebody being immature because you have no damn arguement.

There's no argument to be had. No one started an argument. One kid asked a question; I answered it, you bitched and moaned about something, then attacked me about something which has nothing to do with the original question.

That dude was just pointing it out.

quote:Originally posted by malaria:

You do realize that would only make people band closer together, don't you?

Yes, and we wouldn't want THAT !

*gasps*

Hehehehehe....

quote:Originally posted by bored_test_subject:

I wanted to know what hes good for anyways.. Why is he so special answer that.

Because the Catholic Church "says so" ?

It isn't anywhere in the Bible.

*shrugs*

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

Well he is the head of the Roman Catholic Church. He apparently helps that thing along slightly...And he helps decide doctrine of the Church

Don't you think that is God's job ?

And why didn't He complete His work long ago ? Why does He need someone to keep deciding on new doctrine ?

The 40 something authors that wrote the Bible back in the day weren't enough ?

Hmm..

quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

Huh why is everybody talking about me. I don't even noticed half the people who wrote the shit I read. I guess that bored just writes a lot of shit that I feel strongly about. So damn sorry. And plus I post on a lot of things. And I post my own topics so just back off. Just because your a mod dosen't mean you can be a bitch.





It doesn't ? What does it mean, then ?

And for the record, you completely misinterpretted what she said.

If anything similar to what I just said was posted before, I apologize. I reply as I read them.

quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

God! Why does everbody hate me!?!?! Is it because my names Nazi? hhmmmm.

No, its because you are generally intolerable.

quote:Originally posted by bored_test_subject:

... if any one here can convince me to go back i will but for now i enjoy life as much as i did before.

Why do you need someone else to convince you ? Isn't it your responsibility to have a relationship with God ?

Is that why you come here ? To be convinced ?

I am not trying to start an argument, or offend you...I am truly curious.

Thanks in advance for answering honestly.

quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

Ok Mr. Tribe how about you stop being a damn ignorant christian.

He's a Buddhist.

Who's ignorant now ?

^ Read other peoples posts.

-Already been mentioned that Tribe is a buddhist.

-Someone already tried to assasinate the pope.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Because the Catholic Church "says so" ?

It isn't anywhere in the Bible.

*shrugs*

No, it's just descended from the word of Jesus and St. Peter......

*shrugs*

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Don't you think that is God's job ?

And why didn't He complete His work long ago ? Why does He need someone to keep deciding on new doctrine ?

The 40 something authors that wrote the Bible back in the day weren't enough ?

Hmm..

If God gave us an book to live by, it makes sense that we'd have someone to interpret it, too.

http://www.catholic.com/library/church_papacy.asp

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Don't you think that is God's job ?

And why didn't He complete His work long ago ? Why does He need someone to keep deciding on new doctrine ?

The 40 something authors that wrote the Bible back in the day weren't enough ?

Hmm..

I actually have to say one of the (few) things I like about the LDS (Mormon) Church is their introduction of new doctrine - the same goes for the Catholics (but to a lesser degree). Whether you personally think it's inspired or not, you've got to admit it helps keep the church more up with the times.

For instance, there's doctrine in the LDS church that says you're not supposed to watch rated 'R' movies. Now there are probably passages in the bible that when pasted together mean that (ie no lust, no violence, etc) but it's a lot more nifty to just have new doctrine. Not that I think any of it's divine or anything.

About the pope. Since I'm not Catholic (except my baptism) I have no connection to him, but personally I would like for him to die. Not because I'm one of those "zomg fuck xianity punk rawk" kids, but because I would like to see how people react. My mother assures me that the pope dying is one of the biggest events I'll ever see; I haven't had the experience yet.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

No, its because you are generally intolerable.

No. I'm just intolerable to you for some reason. Just leave me alone and be a bitch to some other people. I don't need my word's critized by you. Damn lesbian.

quote:Originally posted by ZackBob:

He is 14. "Fuck you" says it all.

According to the Bible the Pope isn't holy is he?



No man that has walked the earth is Holy, except for Jesus.

That is why this "deity" status that has been given to the Popes is unbiblical, and should be considered false doctrine.

No man should be worshipped...or deified.

Even Paul, who was the greatest disciple that ever lived !

How much more did he do for humanity than Mary did, and she is PRAYED to, as though she has some sort of bargaining power in Heaven !

The Pope is never mentioned in the Bible. As a matter of fact, there are specific scriptures that say that NO MAN should come before God. NONE !

Catholicism has many errors...all we can do is pray that one day they will see the truth; and it will set them free.

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

I'm pretty sure that's a load of crap. Catholicism is a Christian religion. Salvation through faith has always been its doctrine. [/B]

Any denomination that incorporates the "salvation by faith" belief is considered a denomination of Christianity.

But first there must be a religion, and then the tenets of it are determined.

Religion and God are not synonymous. How many times do we have to discuss this, Z ? It is such a simple concept that I can't understand why it eludes you.

As I have said to you NUMEROUS times before, you can be a Christian Catholic, but being Catholic alone does not provide you with salvation.

Only God can do that, through the blood of Christ which has atoned for our sins, and that has absolutely nothing to do with Catholicism.

Which means it has nothing to do with the Pope, either.

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quote:Originally posted by Tarnak:

^ Read other peoples posts.

-Already been mentioned that Tribe is a buddhist.

-Someone already tried to assasinate the pope.

What the hell does that have to do with anything ?

I answer posts as ai read them, in the order that they were posted.

I am not concerned with someone's post, until I get to it.

I am just sick of people automatically assuming that Tribe is a Christian, which somehow justifies their animosity towards him.

As soon as it is pointed out that he is actually a Buddhist, nothing else is said.

Sorry if you don't like that.

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

No, it's just descended from the word of Jesus and St. Peter......

*shrugs*

Peter wasn't titled as a "saint" by anyone in the Bible. He was a disciple of Christ.

Please tell me what Jesus said about Catholicism...

And since when are you an advocate of it ?

There was no need for you to be nasty about it. I wasn't even talking to you, if I remember correctly.

But if I was...I'm high on pain killers. Can't hold it against me. *lol*

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

If God gave us an book to live by, it makes sense that we'd have someone to interpret it, too.

http://www.catholic.com/library/church_papacy.asp

That's the problem with the continual additions, though, Z...

The Bible has already been translated. It doesn't need to be interpretted any further, though that is not the issue we are addressing here.

Interpretation is fine, if that were still necessary. Since its not, its moot to bring it up.

What is at issue here is the ADDITIONAL doctrine that keeps being added.

You make it sound like God needs the Pope to keep adding things to the Bible, when He doesn't.

It is highly convenient for Catholicism for the Pope to say so, because that gives him all sorts of authority over the people who follow Catholicism...they are forced to rely on the Pope in ways that they should be relying on God alone.

God doesn't need the Pope, anymore than we do.

Its all about power, and ego.

None of what I say takes away from the fact that the Pope is a good man, and has done a great deal of good for mankind.

But Christ said to us that our works are as filthy rags, and that only salvation through Him by faith makes us blameless and worthy.

None of the good things that the Pope has done makes him "holy". His belief in Christ as the Savior does...and that is all.

Which means he is no better than any other Christian on the planet...

I would tremble in fear if anyone tried to title me as the 'Vicar of Christ'. How could anyone DARE be so presumptuous and arrogant ?

quote:About the pope. Since I'm not Catholic (except my baptism) I have no connection to him, but personally I would like for him to die. Not because I'm one of those "zomg fuck xianity punk rawk" kids, but because I would like to see how people react. My mother assures me that the pope dying is one of the biggest events I'll ever see; I haven't had the experience yet.

To desire the death of another person for such a dumb reason is unrespectable, at the very least.

I can't believe you even admitted to that.

How sad.

quote:Originally posted by Nazi:

No. I'm just intolerable to you for some reason. Just leave me alone and be a bitch to some other people. I don't need my word's critized by you. Damn lesbian.

I was pointing out that you are "generally" intolerable, as opposed to being intolerable for a specific reason...which you have somehow convinced yourself of.

You haven't ever got a decent point, and your posts are filled with nothing but uninformed opinionated banter. (in short, you are wasting our time)

When backed into a corner (which has proven to be very easy to do), you resort to personal attacks, from which NO ONE benefits.

Overall, your presence here is "intolerable", at best. There was nothing false about my statement.

If that angers you, you should take a better look at yourself, and why you are here. If you'd like to be respected for your opinions, then start to be respectable. Your sheer presence alone does not give you the right to be respected. Earn it !

Your name doesn't impress us, and serves only one purpose: to make it painfully obvious how immature you are.

You come to a public forum, post your insanity, and then whine when people call you on it.

If you expect to be left alone here, you're delusional. You have given nothing short of an invitation for us to ridicule your useless drivel. And now you ask that we don't accept ?

For the record, I didn't critize your words prior to this post. I think you have gotten me mixed up with Lost, but that's ok. I don't find that in the least bit offensive.

And I am sure that my husband will be happy to know that I am secretly a lesbian.

You're a sad, sad little boy.

*shakes head*

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Peter wasn't titled as a "saint" by anyone in the Bible. He was a disciple of Christ.

Please tell me what Jesus said about Catholicism...

And since when are you an advocate of it ?

There was no need for you to be nasty about it. I wasn't even talking to you, if I remember correctly.

But if I was...I'm high on pain killers. Can't hold it against me. *lol*

He told Peter to be the leader after his death. Peter did that and he passed that tradition on, thus creating the papacy. If the pope and the church isn't in the bible, then why was it around first with the other sects of christianity comeing around second?

What denomination are you(if you don't mind me asking)?

to DigitalSavior:

http://www.totse.com/bbs/ubbcode.html

If you use those you won't have to make a new post for each quote.

quote:He told Peter to be the leader after his death. Peter did that and he passed that tradition on, thus creating the papacy. If the pope and the church isn't in the bible, then why was it around first with the other sects of christianity comeing around second?

Hegesippus came up with a list for apostolic succession of bishops around 180 C.E. Irenaeus later used this list to "prove" that Peter and Paul had founded the church of Rome, the bishop of which was to be considered authoritative. It is not wise to assume that Hegesippus' list is completely accurate, especially when you consider that he was of the orthodox church, and not a sectarian himself. You wouldn't really expect a member of the orthodox church to say that the sectarians came along first, would you?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

To desire the death of another person for such a dumb reason is unrespectable, at the very least.

I can't believe you even admitted to that.

How sad.

The only difference between me and everybody else is I'm not afraid to admit it. Everybody experiences some excitement when something significant happens, just most people (including you - since you see fit to draw random conclusions about me, I'm able to do the same) don't want to admit it or discuss it. Sorry for breaking the arbitrary conversational boundaries you and your pathetic excuse for a community have created. Go fucking cry to Jesus, asshole.

PS Don't universalize your opinions on what respect is and what respect isn't because as far as I'm concerned it's completely moot - you respect a guy who said he was God. Say "I think" because your opinion extends to nobody but yourself and it's extremely fucking conceited to say a universal; then again, Christians are used to being extremely fucking conceited. They're God's people after all, they can be, right?

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quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

The only difference between me and everybody else is I'm not afraid to admit it. Everybody experiences some excitement when something significant happens, just most people (including you - since you see fit to draw random conclusions about me, I'm able to do the same) don't want to admit it or discuss it. Sorry for breaking the arbitrary conversational boundaries you and your pathetic excuse for a community have created. Go fucking cry to Jesus, asshole.

PS Don't universalize your opinions on what respect is and what respect isn't because as far as I'm concerned it's completely moot - you respect a guy who said he was God. Say "I think" because your opinion extends to nobody but yourself and it's extremely fucking conceited to say a universal; then again, Christians are used to being extremely fucking conceited. They're God's people after all, they can be, right?



Amen!

???? The deity status has not been given to the Pope. That is about the dumbest thing I've heard from you I think.

What's the problem with religion? Where in the Bible does God put religion down?

Jesus found a Church. That's my interpretation of the Bible. First there was Judaism. ONE relgion. There was no "there is no religion. I have a relationship with God. I don't have to go the tabernacle or whatever....."

Jesus changed that. He set up a new church. This Church would eventually become known as the Roman Catholic Church. It seems to me that if you refuse the Church you're not taking what Christ did seriously.

Christ does need the Church. That's what any organization of any religion is for. That's what the disciples were for. They preached and clarified and told what was meant by Jesus's words. That's what the Pope does. He doesn't add things to the Bible. He is a guide.

Matthew 16:17-19

Jesus replied, "Blessed are you , Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but my Father in heaven. (18) And I tell you that you are Peter(Rock), and on this rock I will build MY CHURCH, and the gates of Hades wil not overcome it. (19) I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Rock refers to Peter. He is the foundation and administrator. Not the Lord of the Church.

The power of the keys is the authority Jesus gave him.

Binding and loosing were rabbinical terms, which were forbid and permit, ban or aquit, in regard to interpretation of the law.

He also told the all the disciples that whatever they bound and loosed were bound and loosed in heaven and that any sin they forgave are forgiven and any sin they did not forgive was not forgiven. Matthew 18:17-18, John 20:23

Peter was preeminent among the disciples.

quote:Originally posted by bored_test_subject:

Whats the point of him anyways? What makes 'him' so damn holy? Just kill him first then take the rest of him. Whos with me?

I sure am with you, he serves no purpose.

Ok ya he is not and does not consider himself holy, hes just the leader of the catholic church, christianity is the largest following in the world and catholicism is the oldest and largest part of christianity.

Digital_Savior, you are totally clueless on Catholicism.

The Pope is neither deified nor worshipped.

Mary is neither deified nor worshipped.

The Saints are neither deified nor worshipped.

Get your facts straight before you go shitting your Southern Baptist-esque anti-Catholic propaganda. It's pathetic.

i would so like to lunge at the pope and see how far i get, if i get close enough i would pull his fucking larynx out

the catholics helped the nazis for fucks sake, especially pope jhon paul, he was practically honourary reichsfurer

Damn, I just read this entire thread and I've enjoyed the hell out of it. Tribe, you're a deep motherfucker! Nazi, you're a dumbass and you should really learn how to comminicate your opinions. And Zman, I respect your knowledge but I think Christianity being defined as Salvation through faith alone is interpretable, whether referring to Catholicism or Protestantism.

Abra

Oh yah, almost forgot...Nazi, you really should stop following Bored around like you're his little bitch. The TOTSIANS are beginning to wonder about you. The High Priests and Chief Council are having a secret meeting to decide what to do with the stalker homosexuals.

quote:Originally posted by Me Ves y Sufres:

i would so like to lunge at the pope and see how far i get, if i get close enough i would pull his fucking larynx out

the catholics helped the nazis for fucks sake, especially pope jhon paul, he was practically honourary reichsfurer

There is a forum for politics. It isn't this one.

I never got why people didnt realise that if you kill someone with alot of supporters that you make a martyr out of them.

quote:Originally posted by malaria:

There is a forum for politics. It isn't this one.

Unfortunately they often go hand-in-hand; more unfortunately is how often this happens with the Catholic Church.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

Unfortunately they often go hand-in-hand; more unfortunately is how often this happens with the Catholic Church.

True, but to take on the topic of Nazi Germany, especially with people who seem to understand so little, just seems pointless.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

The Catholic church today, though still very "old school" in pomp and process and Mass. Alot of it's doctrine, especially that of the last few centuries is pretty damn forward thinking and reasonable; especially for a Christian faith.

Ok doctirne of infallibility is within the last few centuries and maybe its me but that really isnt the most reasonable thing. And I am Christian, and even thinking of becoming Catholic, but i have some serious problems with Catholicism

quote:Originally posted by dan105: ...christianity is the largest following in the world and catholicism is the oldest and largest part of christianity.

Largest: yes. Oldest: yes, but it isnt alone. there were 5 patriachs originally and in case you didnt know the faith of the other 4 are still around.

quote:Zman:Jesus changed that. He set up a new church. This Church would eventually become known as the Roman Catholic Church...

No it would not become known as the Roman Catholic church. it would be know as the Church. ecer hear of Orthodox Christians? we've been around just as long as Catholics. both were once the same faith. then someone threw three words into the Nicene creed and everbody used it as an excuse to create two churches because there was already strife between Rome and the other 4 bishops.

Alot of what you guys all have to say is good and reasonable. But you fail to recognize the fact that the Roman Catholic church is not the only church founded by the apsotles thats still around. Hell, even catholic.com with all its shit on the papacy is too scared to mention whats wrong with Orthodoxy cuz it knows that the old RCC fucked up along the way and Orthodox got some shit right. Not to say Orthodoxy didnt fuck up too. The fact that there is even more than one church is a major fuck up.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I was pointing out that you are "generally" intolerable, as opposed to being intolerable for a specific reason...which you have somehow convinced yourself of.

You haven't ever got a decent point, and your posts are filled with nothing but uninformed opinionated banter. (in short, you are wasting our time)

When backed into a corner (which has proven to be very easy to do), you resort to personal attacks, from which NO ONE benefits.

Overall, your presence here is "intolerable", at best. There was nothing false about my statement.

If that angers you, you should take a better look at yourself, and why you are here. If you'd like to be respected for your opinions, then start to be respectable. Your sheer presence alone does not give you the right to be respected. Earn it !

Your name doesn't impress us, and serves only one purpose: to make it painfully obvious how immature you are.

You come to a public forum, post your insanity, and then whine when people call you on it.

If you expect to be left alone here, you're delusional. You have given nothing short of an invitation for us to ridicule your useless drivel. And now you ask that we don't accept ?

For the record, I didn't critize your words prior to this post. I think you have gotten me mixed up with Lost, but that's ok. I don't find that in the least bit offensive.

And I am sure that my husband will be happy to know that I am secretly a lesbian.

You're a sad, sad little boy.

*shakes head*

Wow. I am completely amazed. You just think your better then everybody else don't you? And anybody on this site is wasting his/her time bitch. And yes I called you bitch. But that's justified. Because you are generally bitchy. Yes "generally" bitchy. You shouldn't get any respect from anybody. I've seen your other posts and from what I see is that you are pretty sexist. You degrad men when they give you their opinion or you post on thier topic to downgrade. On the other hand your rather nice to the girls on the site. You are just bitter sexist bitch that has nothing better to do then to put down other people's ideas. You're a cunt.

The Orthodox Church broke away from "the Church" hence it isn't part of "the Church" anymore.

Ok so you think that the Orthodox church broke off from the Church. I can deal with that. lots of people have that view. but to not even acknowledge the fact that it has been around for as long as Catholicism and that it still holds the services of the early church and the structure of it while catholicism has changed vastly is not the most informed of opinions. i know that you have never actually said it doesnt exist but hasnt it been said in this topic that the Catholic church is the oldest?

as for the whole who broke off of who thing, thats a whole other discussion.

I don't deny any of that.

quote:Originally posted by malaria:

Digital_Savior, you are totally clueless on Catholicism.

The Pope is neither deified nor worshipped.

Mary is neither deified nor worshipped.

The Saints are neither deified nor worshipped.

Get your facts straight before you go shitting your Southern Baptist-esque anti-Catholic propaganda. It's pathetic.

*LOL*

You obviously can't comprehend anything that is being said, then.

Which is scary, because you think you understand Catholicism.

I never said anything about deification...PRAYING TO SOMETHING/SOMEONE IS A FORM OF WORSHIP.

You don't pray to something you don't have spiritual reverence for.

That reverence should be reserved for God, and God alone.

I am neither Baptist, nor anti-Catholic.

quote:Originally posted by Subliminal Appartion:

Wow. I am completely amazed. You just think your better then everybody else don't you? And anybody on this site is wasting his/her time bitch. And yes I called you bitch. But that's justified. Because you are generally bitchy. Yes "generally" bitchy. You shouldn't get any respect from anybody. I've seen your other posts and from what I see is that you are pretty sexist. You degrad men when they give you their opinion or you post on thier topic to downgrade. On the other hand your rather nice to the girls on the site. You are just bitter sexist bitch that has nothing better to do then to put down other people's ideas. You're a cunt.

And who the hell are you ?

Are you someone who is a frequenter, but changed your name (which you didn't even spell right, I might add) ?

Do you honestly think I care what your opinion is of me ? Hardly.

I think I am better than no one. If I didn't feel that most of the people on here were my intellectual equal, I wouldn't bother. No sense in wagging your finger at a tree, if you know what I mean.

I assume from your skewed opinion of me that you think I ought not defend myself. If someone is being a jerk, I am going to call them on it. I expect no less of them in return.

I am not here to gain respect.

I am not here to be popular.

I am here to do my best in perpetuating the truth about God, and dispell any misconceptions.

Sexist ? Now that's a first.

I would have to say that hatred of Christians by Totseans far exceeds anything that could be construed as "man-hating" on my part.

I prefer men to women, as a matter of fact.

I have to point out that the women on here (which are few and far between) are "generally" much nicer and more respectful of others here on Totse than the men are. Unless they give me reason to retaliate, I won't. And so far, I haven't had to.

The majority of the men here are deplorable. The things they think are appropriate to say to me, as a woman, are horrific.

I wouldn't be half as defensive as I am if they weren't. You act like all of this is self-inflicted, and I have no reason to be angry at times.

I don't see you chasing any of THEM down, waving your self-righteous stick.

You called me a cunt.

I think that pretty much sums up the value of your opinion.

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quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

He told Peter to be the leader after his death. Peter did that and he passed that tradition on, thus creating the papacy. If the pope and the church isn't in the bible, then why was it around first with the other sects of christianity comeing around second?

What denomination are you(if you don't mind me asking)?

Non-denominational.

As you point out, Catholicism was around before Christianity, so how could Peter have been the "founding father", so to speak ?

Peter's faith and understanding of Christ was what the church was to be "built on".

That is all that the verse in Matthew 18 meant.

It didn't mean that we ought to idolize him, and appoint men to act on God's behalf as supreme head of God's church.

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

to DigitalSavior:

http://www.totse.com/bbs/ubbcode.html

If you use those you won't have to make a new post for each quote.

I keep them separated for ease of use.

If I put all my replies in the same post, it would be 4 pages long, and people wouldn't know if I had replied specifically to them or not, because they wouldn't want to read it.

Maybe they don't now...but...that's my reasoning for the way I do it.

Thanks, though !

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

The only difference between me and everybody else is I'm not afraid to admit it. Everybody experiences some excitement when something significant happens, just most people (including you - since you see fit to draw random conclusions about me, I'm able to do the same) don't want to admit it or discuss it. Sorry for breaking the arbitrary conversational boundaries you and your pathetic excuse for a community have created. Go fucking cry to Jesus, asshole.

PS Don't universalize your opinions on what respect is and what respect isn't because as far as I'm concerned it's completely moot - you respect a guy who said he was God. Say "I think" because your opinion extends to nobody but yourself and it's extremely fucking conceited to say a universal; then again, Christians are used to being extremely fucking conceited. They're God's people after all, they can be, right?



It is truly lost on you that the difference between you and other people is that THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THE POPE DIE, just so they can get their rocks off, isn't it ?

Why would anyone have anything to hide here on Totse ? I think this is the most free-thinking people do in their whole day. They have no societal constraints. There is no accountability. They can say what they please...and that makes you disgusting for wanting someone to die so that you can experience excitement over it.

I wasn't saying anything about your reaction to "something significant". I was referring to your macabre desire to see the Pope die. Two totally different things. One is innocent, and the other is sick.

I could care less about conversational boundaries. What you said exhibited your complete lack of common decency. You can feel however you want...I don't even presume to try and take that away from you.

If you don't think you're a little bit dysfunctional for desiring another person's death, so that you can be excited...well...there is no help for you.

You can hide behind your reasoning that I can't possibly universalize what respect is, but the fact of the matter is that what you said is loathsome. I don't see how I am so off the mark by thinking that.

Obviously, if I say something here on Totse, it is because "I THINK" it. Why do I need to point that out every time I post ? That is true of everyone.

It's pretty funny that you think Christians are conceited, simply because they have salvation through Christ.

I know a lot of Christians, and the majority of them are incredibly humble.

Sticks and stones...

Hmm...nothing to say, eh ?

quote:Originally posted by Outlaw Skumfuck:

But wait, if the pope forgave him, why did they kill him? "I forgive you for fucking my wife, but I am going to cut your cock off anyway!"

Hey ass brains, the assassin is not dead. He asked permisson to go tot eh popes funeral. He is serving time in Turkey.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Hmm...nothing to say, eh ?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Because the Catholic Church "says so" ?

It isn't anywhere in the Bible.

*shrugs*

The pontiff is directly desended from peter. He was the archbipshop of rome, AKA the pope. Peter was the rock on which christ would build his church, this means that the present day poniff is around to lead the church and act as a rock for the church to stand up on

RUST

Well, they sure do want to START the debate, but don't want to finish it.

What's YOUR problem, anyway ? What do you care ?

You haven't participated.

Go back under your rock.

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quote:Originally posted by VitaminTHC:

The pontiff is directly desended from peter. He was the archbipshop of rome, AKA the pope. Peter was the rock on which christ would build his church, this means that the present day poniff is around to lead the church and act as a rock for the church to stand up on

I get the concept.

You haven't given any sort of Biblical support for your assertion.

Peter was meant to be a model to ALL disciples, not just to people who are in charge of God's church.

Biologically, it cannot be said that ANY of the "pontiff's" have been related to Peter. They were voted into their position by other fallible men.

I don't see how this could possibly be construed as divine appointment.

God needs teachers, not monarch's.

Well they do interpret scripture and teach those interpretations to the masses. I would consider that teaching.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

RUST

Well, they sure do want to START the debate, but don't want to finish it.

What's YOUR problem, anyway ? What do you care ?

You haven't participated.

Go back under your rock.



My problem? My problem should be evident to every single totse poster, save for yourself.

My problem is the inherent hypocrisy in you calling him out for not replying, when you have countless threads where you have not replied. Your hypocrisy is so crude, disgusting and pathetic that I may as well vomit.

You should at least put a warning for the sake of us who are mustering enough strength to wade through the humongous amount of bullshit you've so kindly bestowed upon us in that post.

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Damn u care about the Pope and catholic church. It's all going downhill anyway. The Pope died and the catholic church is just a shadow of it's former self. They are losing members and are soon just another fish in the pond.

Yeah I mean, if you look at the news reports, it's obvious that they aren't gathering together to help eachother get through this...

With the right pope, the catholic church can become even stronger and greatly increase it's member base.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Non-denominational.

As you point out, Catholicism was around before Christianity, so how could Peter have been the "founding father", so to speak ?

Peter's faith and understanding of Christ was what the church was to be "built on".

That is all that the verse in Matthew 18 meant.

It didn't mean that we ought to idolize him, and appoint men to act on God's behalf as supreme head of God's church.

Well if catholics idolized the pope, then you may have a point...

Also, the pope doesn't "act on God's behalf", he is someone who has great expertise on scripture and doctorine, and is capable of answering questions that catholics may have. Provide guidance if they can't provide it for themselves.

As for your first question, I don't quite follow what you're getting at.

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

Well they do interpret scripture and teach those interpretations to the masses. I would consider that teaching.

Yes, but they ruin it by elevating themselves.

Jesus was a humble servant of men, was he not ?

He didn't need to wear hats that were 3 feet tall, cased in gold.

He didn't need a fancy staff, or a specific manner of holding his fingers to bless his disciples.

He certainly didn't need his hand to be kissed everywhere he went.

I think there is a drastic difference between the Pope and Jesus.

If you are going to call yourself a Christian, you should probably try and act like Christ...especially if you are going to claim that you are the "Vicar" of him !

The Pope doesn't act on God's behalf ?

From the Catechism:

"For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered." (#882, p. 254)

"The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls." (#937, p.267) (if being in care of our souls isn't being "God", I don't know what could be !)

Vicar: A priest who acts for or represents another...

Of Christ

That pretty much sums it up, don't you think ?

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

Well they do interpret scripture and teach those interpretations to the masses. I would consider that teaching.

I didn't say they didn't teach.

*sighs*

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

God needs teachers, not monarch's.

quote:Yes, but they ruin it by elevating themselves.

Jesus was a humble servant of men, was he not ?

He didn't need to wear hats that were 3 feet tall, cased in gold.

He didn't need a fancy staff, or a specific manner of holding his fingers to bless his disciples.

He certainly didn't need his hand to be kissed everywhere he went.

I think there is a drastic difference between the Pope and Jesus.

If you are going to call yourself a Christian, you should probably try and act like Christ...especially if you are going to claim that you are the "Vicar" of him !

Of course there is a difference between the pope and Jesus. One is the son of God, the other is the leader of the Church. No catholic thinks that the pope is on the same level of Jesus.

You ever hear of J.O.Y.?

Jesus first

Others second

You last

That is taught by almost all catholic grade schools now. Every good catholic lives by that principal, including the pope.

As for the gold and posterity. That's just personal opinion. You may think that that symbolizes that the pope thinks that he is better than everyone. I think his actions speak otherwise.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

The Pope doesn't act on God's behalf ?

From the Catechism:

"For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered." (#882, p. 254)

"The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls." (#937, p.267) (if being in care of our souls isn't being "God", I don't know what could be !)

Vicar: A priest who acts for or represents another...

Of Christ

That pretty much sums it up, don't you think ?

I should have better explained myself. What I mean is that the pope is not God on earth. He is not a divine being who is the earthly representation of God. Sorry for the confusion.

Well the fucker is finally dead. I hope christianity goes into retragrade and they all commit mass suicides. Seriously know are they gonna have a little council to decide who our next human god will be. This world is fucking sick. And any one who goes against me is just as bad.

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:



What the heck was THAT for ?

God told us what he expects of us...and that isn't to elevate ourselves above others.

If you can even begin to compare the Pope to Christ, I'll eat a slug.

He isn't being a Vicar of anything Christlike, and that's what makes "The Pope" unbiblical.

I don't see how that is lost on you.

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It was about your teacher comment. Why do you think I quoted only the section where you refer to teaching?

You said:

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I didn't say they didn't teach.

*sighs*

& this

quote:God needs teachers, not monarch's.

What the hell?!?

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

Of course there is a difference between the pope and Jesus. One is the son of God, the other is the leader of the Church. No catholic thinks that the pope is on the same level of Jesus.

You ever hear of J.O.Y.?

Jesus first

Others second

You last

That is taught by almost all catholic grade schools now. Every good catholic lives by that principal, including the pope.

As for the gold and posterity. That's just personal opinion. You may think that that symbolizes that the pope thinks that he is better than everyone. I think his actions speak otherwise.

How many times can I say, "VICAR OF CHRIST" ??!!!

It means what it says. He supposed that he is here on earth, in Christ's stead until Christ returns.

That's BS, and totally unbiblical. Period.

No Catholic thinks the Pope is on the same level as Jesus ? REALLY ?! You haven't been watching the same news reports I have, then.

He is idolized, and that's a sin. There's no way around that.

I don't get your point about J.O.Y. I mean, that's great and all, but I am not understanding it's relevance.

I don't think that the Pope thinks he is better than anyone else...strangely, it seems that each Pope has achieved an uncanny ability of being able to be completely humble, and completely full of himself at the same time.

Again, compare the Pope, or any other Christian, to Jesus...of course, we all fall short, but some in more noticable ways than others.

Inthe Pope's case, he is being flamboyant, and attracting attention to himself by wearing the things he does. Is that supposed to be his purpose ? Isn't he supposed to be drawing attention to our Lord ?

Jesus wore a simple robe. He didn't adorn himself with flashy thing, and speak in lofty voices. He was a man...and a servant.

I am certainly not saying that the Pope is going to hell for this, I am simply pointing out that this is exactly how Satan detracts from God's glory.

He prompts men to do silly, unimportant things, that end up having serious effects on the flock.

It is a subtle (or not so subtle) way of taking people's minds off of what they should have them on....

GOD.

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

I should have better explained myself. What I mean is that the pope is not God on earth. He is not a divine being who is the earthly representation of God. Sorry for the confusion.

No problem.

With that cleared up, I can say that we finally agree on something.

It's nice.

quote:Originally posted by bored_test_subject:

Well the fucker is finally dead. I hope christianity goes into retragrade and they all commit mass suicides. Seriously know are they gonna have a little council to decide who our next human god will be. This world is fucking sick. And any one who goes against me is just as bad.

Yeah...

Cuz they're all so evil.