What is it?

Same as christan churches, work of the devil.

Glad I'm a wiccan, we're aloud to masturbate, or whatever as long as it harms no-one else.

This topic, AGAIN ?

*sighs*

quote:Originally posted by COF:

Same as christan churches, work of the devil.

Glad I'm a wiccan, we're aloud to masturbate, or whatever as long as it harms no-one else.

Lol why is it the work of the devil? Just beacuse it has resulted in not as many believers being bourn?

So easy,

The priests do it for you.



Ok, real answer,

Are you too lazy to google search it? http://www.catholic.com/chastity/q11.asp

I think lazyness is a sin too.

It's simple, if it is enjoyable, the catholic church probably thinks it's a sin. If it has anything to do with sex but doesn't get someone pregnant, it's a sin. If it does get someone pregnant but you aren't married it's a sin.

quote:Originally posted by NightVision:

Lol why is it the work of the devil? Just beacuse it has resulted in not as many believers being bourn?

I was saying that in the way a Christian/Catholic would say it because they blame anything they don't like on the devil.

quote:Originally posted by COF:

Same as christan churcheses



Actually the majority of chrisitian churches are "catholic" churches, even the protestant and Eastern Orthodox ones(which is what I assume you mean by "christian churches")...

Most people refer to the Roman Catholic Church as THE Catholic Church, but the other branches can be considered catholic too..





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The real answer is that masturbation is a sin because it is a form of self-mutilation... not sure why, didn't really go the indepth into (this was from a private school)...

This is the verse normally used by the church, or other religious figures to show that masturbation is wrong.

quote:



Genesis 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.





Referance: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/38.html

The believe of the church is that it is a form of birth control, and as we all know, the church finds all forms of birth control -even condoms - to be "wrong" and "taking away from human life".

If they were concerned about killing unconceive babies it would be ok for women to masturbate but not for men. The last time this came up the general answer was that masturbation is a form of adultery because you usualy need to think about someone to get it up/get the juices flowing.

quote:Originally posted by Gyhth:



Genesis 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.





That is indeed the passage normally butchered to mean "spilling your seed is evil" but the truth is, if I recall correctly, sunday school was quite a few years ago, Onan was ordered by God to impregnate his brothers wife, he refused, spilled his seed and was struck dead.

He was killed for disobeying god, not for spilling his seed.

I think this article pretty much sums it up. http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/current/news/feature.html

quote:Originally posted by Karik:



That is indeed the passage normally butchered to mean "spilling your seed is evil" but the truth is, if I recall correctly, sunday school was quite a few years ago, Onan was ordered by God to impregnate his brothers wife, he refused, spilled his seed and was struck dead.

He was killed for disobeying god, not for spilling his seed.

Now thats some fucked up shit. GOd glorifying cheating...

btw this is all the stuff they hate http://www.catholic.com/library/voters_guide.asp

and i'm all for except gay mairrage beacuse fags jsut tend to piss me off.

its ok if a priest is doing it onto a young boy but other than that, it makes people happy and that pisses god off. god damn I hate christians

The formal term for "masturbate" in German is "onanieren". The name Onan is of course Semitic, but the verb is of Latin origin, as with all verbs ending in "-ieren".

Germanic origin:

brechen - to break

sprechen - to speak

wissen - to know

sagen - to say

Latin origin:

studieren - to study

(in Latin and Italian the verb is "studiare", in French "étudier", and Spanish "estudiar")

quote:Originally posted by Billy Idol:

The formal term for "masturbate" in German is "onanieren". The name Onan is of course Semitic, but the verb is of Latin origin, as with all verbs ending in "-ieren".



Onan was the name of the guy who slept with the angel, right?

quote:Originally posted by l337:

What is it?



It's a simple biological drive that is built into everyone of us. If God didn't intend for it to be pleasurable then he wouldn't have made it so. Also it isn't self mutilation regardless of what some church goer's believe.

I'm mean men & women have wet dreams. Is that a sin. I don't think so because you can't control your dreams.

Also I for one would rather a person be allowed to masturbate and relieve excess sexual tension than to go out and get someone pregnant though unprotected sex, or worse go out and rape someone.

"Also, pray three Hail Mary's each day for purity of mind, body, and heart"

so if you pray twice its useless?

Before modern science came about about and tought us that sperm fertiliezs the egg and then forms life, the chruch beleive that sperm were acutally litte babies that needed to be "housed" in the womens fetus. Thats why they say "taking away humans life".