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My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged.

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Old 2004-11-14, 17:57
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Default Amen/Amen-Ra?

Definitions:

Amen - Egyptian Myth. A primeval deity worshiped, esp. at Thebes, as the personification of air or breath and represented either as a ram or a goose: later identified with Amen-Ra [a god in whom Amen and Ra were combined]

amen - 1.it is so; so be it (used afer a prayer, creed, or other formal statement to express solem ratification or agreement. 2. Verily; truly,....

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Historians now say that the first montheist was Akhenaten (formerly Amenhotep). He sought to abolish the cult of Amen-Re and other traditional gods, but that effort did not survive his death and they returned to their old ways.

Could this word be a remnant from the Egyptian influence then?
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Old 2004-11-14, 20:07
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I though the Amen people say after praying just meant let it be so or something like that in Hebrew. It could be related to the Egyptian Gods but it is unlikley because I think both lauguages were spoken at the same time.
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Old 2004-11-15, 01:14
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Amen just means "I believe." it had nothing to do with Amon-Ra, and this god has several spellings to account for pronounciation, so it's not necessarily "Amen-Ra."

Any correlation is speculation, to truly understand you'd have to study original texts and hieroglyphs.
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Old 2004-11-15, 01:57
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i agree... i've questioned that before too. even though it's not the most likely explanation, it is a possibility... it also could be that both versions of amen share an even older linguistic root... the evolution of language is messy like that.

however, a small but persistent egyptian influence on modern culture does exist in religion, spirituality, architecture, and art.
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Old 2004-11-15, 08:01
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Amen is an acronym not related to anything Egyptian.
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Old 2004-11-15, 11:26
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quote:Originally posted by K9:

Amen is an acronym not related to anything Egyptian.

Amen isn't an acronym.

And didn't the Hebrews spend a fair bit of time in Egypt back in the day? Language does tend to rub off after a few generations of enslavement.
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Old 2004-11-15, 20:11
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quote:Originally posted by bodomised:

Amen isn't an acronym.

And didn't the Hebrews spend a fair bit of time in Egypt back in the day? Language does tend to rub off after a few generations of enslavement.



Obviously, that is my thinking. How much had the Egyptian culture influenced even the Hebrews if the Egyptians are now seen as being the first monotheists.
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Old 2004-11-15, 20:21
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quote:Originally posted by Fanglekai:

Amen just means "I believe." it had nothing to do with Amon-Ra, and this god has several spellings to account for pronounciation, so it's not necessarily "Amen-Ra."

Any correlation is speculation, to truly understand you'd have to study original texts and hieroglyphs.

I agree, it's definately speculative.

Do you know if amen is pronounced differently in Hebrew?
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Old 2004-11-16, 19:17
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Amen is a Hebrew acronym. In Judaism, it is taught that the word Amen is an acronym for A[l] (or El), Me[lech], N[e'eman] meaning "L[ord] (or God), King, [who is] Trustworthy."
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Old 2004-11-17, 02:56
Nephtys-Ra Nephtys-Ra is offline
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Pointless cameo!
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Old 2004-11-17, 03:23
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AMON OR AMUN

NOT AMEN!!!!!!!

**Geez**
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Old 2004-11-17, 10:31
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Hey, my info I pulled straight out of the dictionary...Both Amen and Amon are there...
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Old 2004-11-17, 14:20
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Who gives a shit?

Amen.
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Old 2004-11-17, 15:21
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LOL
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Old 2004-11-19, 16:19
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Which dictionary?
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Old 2004-11-19, 20:19
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The Random House College Dictionary....

It's also written that way in my Civilization in the West textbook...

Go figure....the dictionary does include the spelling Amon in parentheses...maybe they changed the spelling once again...Who knows...

Maybe I need a new one...
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Old 2004-11-21, 02:25
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Why do I have the sudden craving for Top Ramen?

Cheers,

Lost
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Old 2004-11-22, 04:51
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Picante beef ramen is damn good....smells pretty bad though...
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Old 2004-11-23, 20:23
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quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Why do I have the sudden craving for Top Ramen?

Cheers,

Lost



Ramen...lol
 
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