Genesis Chapter 2 (Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden)

[LostCause]

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.



That explain Sabbath or moreover a holy day in a week. God rested "in" that day.



4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.



If this is god talking why is he talking in the 3rd person?



5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew; for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground



Does this mean things were growing or that they weren't?



6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.



That is suspiciously scientifically accurate.



7 And the LORD God formed man of[/i[ the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in E'den; and there he put the man whom he had formed.



So a location is finally being formed. Eastward in E'den. This might suggest that they were already in E'den, but it might suggest several other things. Anyone have an idea of what else this might be suggesting?



9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.



There's a mention of two[/i] trees here.



10 And a river went out of E'den to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.



I assume they mean provences. But, why would a river running through it divide it into four provences? Anyone have any suggestions on what "heads" might be?



11 The name of the first is Pi'son; that is it which compasseth the whole land of Hav'i-lah, where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good; there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river is Gi'hon, the same is it that compasseth the whole land of E-thi-o-pi-a.

14 And the name of the third river is Hid'de-kel, that is it which goeth toward the east of As-syr-I-a. And the fourth river is Eu-phra'tes.



Okay, I don't know why they referred to rivers as "heads", but apparently that's what "heads" are. Anyways, we have more distinct descriptions of where E'den is now. It's somewhere in Africa where four rivers meet. Would you say that's an accurate deduction?



15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of E'den, to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat;

17 But of the tree of the knoweledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thoy eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

I want to take note that god tells the man he will die if he eats from that tree.



18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone, I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Ad'am to see what he would call them; and whatsoever Ad'am called every living creature that was the name thereof.



So Ad'am named all the living creatures on earth.



20 And Ad'am gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Ad'am there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Ad'am, and he slept; and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Ad'am said, This is now bone my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife; and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.



Nutshell version: God puts Ad'am in a garden somewhere in Africa where four rivers meet and where he'll have all the food he can eat except for The Tree of knoweledge of Good and Evil because he'll die if he eats from it. Ad'am names all the animals but is lonely so god puts him in a deep sleep and take out a rib, turns it into a woman, and brings her to him.

Cheers,

Lost

[jackketch]

no eden seems to have been somewhere in the fertile crescent (middle east). although no one is certian there have been some very good studies/books on this recently.

quote: but for Ad'am there was not found an help meet for him.

there is a hint of bestiality here that many christian scholars find uncomfortable.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

no eden seems to have been somewhere in the fertile crescent (middle east). although no one is certian there have been some very good studies/books on this recently.

To be even more specific, many think it was in Iraq.

[The Crusader]

Mesopotamia...

[Aphelion Corona]

Referring to Gen 2:10

Some Jews believe that Eden isn't locatable on Earth and never was, but was a spiritual garden with strange ties to this world.

Its some very complex Kabbalistic stuff so I'm not really qualified to explain it well or even at all.

It's funny how the story of lilith never made into the bible. For those of you who don't know. Lilith was Adams first wife. She was created separate from Adam. The story goes on to say that she wouldn't submit herself to Adam, because she felt that she was his equal and, not lower than him. So she either left eden, or was thrown out by GOD.

It makes one wonder if They left this story out, because it shows GOD making a mistake. Which HE/SHE tries to fix by making EVE from the same body as Adam.

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QUOTE Originally posted by LostCause:

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew; for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground

Does this mean things were growing or that they weren't?

some translations say, to this effect. And some to the effect that both the plants and the herbs hadnt sprung up yet

10 And a river went out of E'den to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

I assume they mean provences. But, why would a river running through it divide it into four provences? Anyone have any suggestions on what "heads" might be?

could it mean that after it went out from Eden, it split into 4 rivers. If that were the case, the 4 heads would be the beginning of each river... "the head waters"



15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of E'den, to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat;

17 But of the tree of the knoweledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thoy eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

I want to take note that god tells the man he will die if he eats from that tree.

i've heard this as a 'contradiction' to point out that "the day" that the fruit is eaten, that is the day that the one who eats, dies. but since adam didnt die that particular day, then it is atleast a sticky point.

but one of the Strong's definitions of the word "muwth" means "cause to, be like to, must) die". So this is the day that Adam is to start dying (the process of: living, getting older, death...in the same way that as soon as we are born, we are dying)

[LostCause]

quote:Originally posted by Nemisis:

It's funny how the story of lilith never made into the bible. For those of you who don't know. Lilith was Adams first wife. She was created separate from Adam. The story goes on to say that she wouldn't submit herself to Adam, because she felt that she was his equal and, not lower than him. So she either left eden, or was thrown out by GOD.

It makes one wonder if They left this story out, because it shows GOD making a mistake. Which HE/SHE tries to fix by making EVE from the same body as Adam.

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That sounds strangely familiar.

What text are you referencing to?

Cheers,

Lost

[Aphelion Corona]

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:



That sounds strangely familiar.

What text are you referencing to?

Cheers,

Lost

The Alphabet of Ben Sirah is where Lilith is mentioned.



(It's not funny that Lilith never made the Bible any more than Beowolf never made the King Arthur legends. They are different storis written by different authors.)

[jackketch]

quote:(It's not funny that Lilith never made the Bible any more than Beowolf never made the King Arthur legends. They are different storis written by different authors.)

an apt analogy. it should be noted in passing that the 'legend' of lilith may predate the genesis account by several centuries

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

an apt analogy. it should be noted in passing that the 'legend' of lilith may predate the genesis account by several centuries

Hey jack. Most people tend to think the bible as one of the oldest texts written, which is simply not true. From what I gather the "Dead Sea Scrolls" are the oldest form of the bible written, the sumerian writings are suppost to be the oldest form of written language. An author named "Sichin" says that they explain how the human race as it is today, was caused by genetic manipulation by beings from another world. Bible thumpers disbelieve these stories but cling to legends wriiten later on.

Which accounts seem more believable? We now have the scientific ability to manipulate genetic material ourselves. Why would'nt another race of beings have that same ability, but on a much greater level?

[jackketch]

hi killswitch. i think you mean sitchin btw.

strangely enough there is an african tribe who believe that a race of strangers 'operated' on apes 'with stone knives' to create mankind...

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[Aphelion Corona]

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

hi killswitch. i think you mean sitchin btw.

strangely enough there is an african tribe who believe that a race of strangers 'operated' on apes 'with stone knives' to create mankind...

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Oooooh. Interesting. Have you got a linky?

Oh and killswitch the dead sea scrolls were written around the time of Judah the Maccabee unless I'm much mistaken, which would place them after the Torah was a book in common circulation in the area.

[jackketch]

no unfortunately i haven't.it was something i read years ago and kept meaning to follow up

and while not wanting to get into a debate on the dead see scrolls i should point out that there is much evidence to support the view that the scrolls (at least the none OT ones) are contemporary with christ or perhaps bar cochbar.

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quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

hi killswitch. i think you mean sitchin btw.

strangely enough there is an african tribe who believe that a race of strangers 'operated' on apes 'with stone knives' to create mankind...

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I seem to remember watching a show a couple of years back about strange phonomenon & ufo's. They mentioned a tribe in africa, that had a lengend about beings coming down from a specific star to earth.

Also they could at any given time point to the exact location in the shy where the star was. This star could not be without a telescope. Strange huh?

[Aphelion Corona]

Actually Jackketch now you mention it I think you're right and that they were written at the times of Bar Kochba. Sorry, I got the wrong Zealot.

[jackketch]

quote:Jackketch now you mention it I think you're right

i usually am :P

quote:Originally posted by KillSwitch_J:

I seem to remember watching a show a couple of years back about strange phonomenon & ufo's. They mentioned a tribe in africa, that had a lengend about beings coming down from a specific star to earth.

Also they could at any given time point to the exact location in the shy where the star was. This star could not be without a telescope. Strange huh?

I think you're talking about the tribe which knew more about the Sirius star system than even us with our space telescope(until lately).

[Aphelion Corona]

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

i usually am :P

So am I, that's why I'm so shocked. :P :P

[jackketch]

^^^modesty is such a blessing, isn't it...?