In a way i do, but its like i dont care

So are you agnostic?

What don't you care about ? That He exists, or that you kind of believe He does ?

How old are you, if you don't mind my asking ?

I can only answer that question if you define what you mean by "God."

What God? Whose God?

Is God male? Female? Genderless? Apart from his creation, part of his creation, or simply creation in its totality?

Your question assumes that you and your audience share the same definition of God. If I said to you, 'Do you believe in apples?,' you'd say 'Of course' because we both agree on what apples are and we both agree that apples exist.

But God is a bit more complicated than apples. Apples are objects. God, since no one can be empirically sure what he/she/it is, is only a concept. And everyone's vision of that concept differs greatly.

So which concept/model of God are you referring to?

Thanks, Lolita. You said it for me.

No I don't.

I think the idea of god which most people except is just a cop out by people who figure to know the answers to everything and are too proud to say the don't have a fucken clue. My favourite thing is how people pray, espeacially when bad shit happens. Why do they pray to the god that has control over everything, cause wouldn't that mean he has a hand in everything including the tragedy. See I don't think that god is anything. The closing thing to god would be the connection felt between all humans. I believe that believing in god gives you the same effect or it is the effect of that connection but isn't recongnized by the person for what it is. I understand what it is, I often see others that know the same thing and you can tell by just looking at them they know too. Have you ever been really high and you walk into a store and see someone else that's really high and you both laugh in a stupid stoner laugh at the same time like your brains are connected for that split second? That's the connection.

If you mean a supernatural being, then fuck no.

I think the real question is.. Does GOD believe in me?

You're an idiot who should be shot.

First of all, God and emotional connections between people are two completely different things, in every conceivable aspect, ranging from fundamental abstract principle to the appropriate psychological stimulation in the brain.

Second of all, your analogy is absolutely ludicrous. You're saying that two stoners that just figure out that the other is stoned too is the same thing as believing in God or connecting with people on an emotional level? That's like saying that jumping off a bridge makes you an expert on wind resistance.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

What don't you care about ? That He exists, or that you kind of believe He does ?

How old are you, if you don't mind my asking ?

IM 17. I guess you could say im carefree about him. Since i dont see him in reality, my life is my reality. If you get what im saying.

quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

So are you agnostic?

Dont know what that means.

quote:Originally posted by akdf:

IM 17. I guess you could say im carefree about him. Since i dont see him in reality, my life is my reality. If you get what im saying.

But have you considered the fact that the reality of "you" comes from the reality of "Him" ?

If He created you, then you are His reality.

[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 10-19-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by akdf:

Dont know what that means.





AGNOSTIC - (1) One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. (2) One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism. (3) One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

In Social's line of questioning, I believe #2 is most appropriate in defining what he was driving at.

And to answer the original question:

YES, I DO.

*looks around for anyone feigning surprise*

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

[B] But have you considered the fact that the reality of "you" comes from the reality of "Him" ?

If He created you, then you are His reality.

Yeah thats true if he exsist.

But now that i think about, I dont believe in God.

My family is religious. And thats why I want to believe in him, but i dont.

quote:Originally posted by Lolita:

I can only answer that question if you define what you mean by "God."

What God? Whose God?

Is God male? Female? Genderless? Apart from his creation, part of his creation, or simply creation in its totality?

Your question assumes that you and your audience share the same definition of God. If I said to you, 'Do you believe in apples?,' you'd say 'Of course' because we both agree on what apples are and we both agree that apples exist.

But God is a bit more complicated than apples. Apples are objects. God, since no one can be empirically sure what he/she/it is, is only a concept. And everyone's vision of that concept differs greatly.

So which concept/model of God are you referring to?

Im reffering to God In Heaven, The Life after death.

I like to imagine that there is no God, And Hell and heaven.

Because it would be so easy to die and have no feelings after death.

and I wouldnt know that im dead.

And sinners and non belivers wouldnt go to hell.It would be like you never exsisted. since life on earth is already pain for alot of people, then you die then you go through more pain through hell.

BaKeD_gOoDs' post reminded me of a favorite quote from the movie Before Sunrise:

Celine says to Jessie:

"I really believe that if there's any kind of God, he wouldn't be in any one of us -- not you, not me, but just this space in between. If there's any kind of magic in this world, it must be in the attempt of understanding someone, sharing something. I know, it's almost impossible to succeed, but...who cares, really? The answer must be in the attempt."

Love that.

Anyway, I think I gotta say goodbye to this forum. It's taking up far too much of my time and I have too many things to do this semester!

Take care.

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

I think the idea of god which most people except is just a cop out by people who figure to know the answers to everything and are too proud to say the don't have a fucken clue. My favourite thing is how people pray, espeacially when bad shit happens. Why do they pray to the god that has control over everything, cause wouldn't that mean he has a hand in everything including the tragedy. See I don't think that god is anything. The closing thing to god would be the connection felt between all humans. I believe that believing in god gives you the same effect or it is the effect of that connection but isn't recongnized by the person for what it is. I understand what it is, I often see others that know the same thing and you can tell by just looking at them they know too. Have you ever been really high and you walk into a store and see someone else that's really high and you both laugh in a stupid stoner laugh at the same time like your brains are connected for that split second? That's the connection.

You're an idiot who should be shot.

First of all, God and emotional connections between people are two completely different things, in every conceivable aspect, ranging from fundamental abstract principle to the appropriate psychological stimulation in the brain.

Second of all, your analogy is absolutely ludicrous. You're saying that two stoners that just figure out that the other is stoned too is the same thing as believing in God or connecting with people on an emotional level? That's like saying that jumping off a bridge makes you an expert on wind resistance.



Obviously your the idiot. You're exactly the kind of person i'm talking about. The kind of person that just makes up things instead of making a decision either way. I do understand that you criticize because understanding was not achieved.

Since faith is an emotional connection to god, wouldn't an emotional connection to someone else use the same part of your brain?

Therefore the fact that two complete strangers shared a moment of identical laughter which is an expression of an emotion. I should have used love as the example since I think everyone probably would have caught on easier since more people have experienced it, but I was high so what you going to do.

Not the kind most people would understand(and certainly not an x-tian bog), so in short,no.

Baked Goods:

Your accusations are of absolutely no validity whatsoever, you give examples of no 'decisions' that I cop out of, you reel in shame at being corrected and lash out with an insistence on lack of understanding, your intoxication makes every word you say suspect, and your so-called 'arguments' are based on arbitrary assumptions with invented definitions - with no psychological, physiological, or spiritual foundation.

You should learn to show proper respect to an authoritative aristocrat; it's unfitting for a sudra to be so indignant and uppity, like a spoiled child that doesn't like being told "No."

Don't respond to this post; your indulgence in drugs for entertainment nullifies any mirage of integrity you might put forth. Simply re-evaluate your existential circumstances and begin your ascension, or commit ritual suicide.

quote:Originally posted by akdf:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

[B] But have you considered the fact that the reality of "you" comes from the reality of "Him" ?

If He created you, then you are His reality.

Yeah thats true if he exsist.

But now that i think about, I dont believe in God.

My family is religious. And thats why I want to believe in him, but i dont.



Do you know why you don't ? (reasons)

quote:Originally posted by Lolita:

BaKeD_gOoDs' post reminded me of a favorite quote from the movie Before Sunrise:

Celine says to Jessie:

"I really believe that if there's any kind of God, he wouldn't be in any one of us -- not you, not me, but just this space in between. If there's any kind of magic in this world, it must be in the attempt of understanding someone, sharing something. I know, it's almost impossible to succeed, but...who cares, really? The answer must be in the attempt."

Love that.

Anyway, I think I gotta say goodbye to this forum. It's taking up far too much of my time and I have too many things to do this semester!

Take care.

Sorry to see you go, Lolita.

You have been a refreshing change to the everyday postage on Totse.

Good luck with your degree, and your search for knowledge.

May God richly bless you, and keep you.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Do you know why you don't ? (reasons)



Im not really sure, but even as a younger kid,

when we would go to church, i never felt connected to God and the religion. I guess thats why.