Having a look through totse, it seems a lot of 'practitioners of Wicca' like to use magick to kill their enemies and such. Can anyone tell me why people's idea of Wicca has gone from 'An it harm none, do what thou will' to 'dark gods' and such?

www.magicwicca.com (http://www.magicwicca.com) - true Wiccans

www.jesus-is-lord.com/wicca.htm (http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/wicca.htm) - Psycho who lustened to some 'Wiccans' who don't know they're Satanists...

wiccans arnt even close to satanists.

I concur. Also, even those posers who say they're wiccan aren't anything close to Satanists. I agree that they are stupid, but Satanism is legitimate too. Not that eclectic bullshit mix of Wicca and that B movie The Craft.

THE WICCAN REDE

Bide the Wiccan Laws we must,

In perfect love and perfect trust.

Live and let live,

Fairly take and fairly give.

Cast the circle thrice about,

To keep the evil spirits out.

To bind the spell every time,

Let the spell be spake in rhyme.

Soft of eye and light of touch,

Speak little, listen much.

Deosil go by the waxing moon,

Chanting out the witches rune.

Widdershins go by the waning moon,

Chanting out the baneful rune.

When the lady's moon is new,

Kiss the hand to her times two.

When the moon rides at her peak,

Then heart's desire seek.

Heed teh North wind's mighty gale,

Lock the door and drop the sail.

When the wind comes from the South,

Love will kiss thee on the mouth.

When the wind blows from the West,

Departed souls will have no rest.

When the wind blows from the East,

Expect the new and set the feast.

Nine woods in the cauldron go,

Burn then fast and burn them slow.

Elder be the Lady's tree,

Burn it not or cursed you'll be.

When the wheel begins to turn,

Let the Beltaine fires burn.

When the wheel has turned to Yule,

Light the log and the Horned one rules.

Heed ye flower, bush and tree,

By the Lady, blessed be.

Where the rippling waters go,

Cast a stone and truth you'll know.

When ye have a true need,

Hearken not to other's greed.

With a fool no season spend,

Lest ye be counted as his friend.

Merry meet and merry part,

Bright the cheeks and warm the heart.

Mind the threefold law you should,

Three times bad and three times good.

When misfortune is enow,

Wear the blue star on thy brow.

True to love ever be,

Lest thy lover's false to thee.

Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill,

'An it harm none, do what thou will'.

I believe I remembered that correctly, lol. It's been a while since my parents made me recite that. I just posted that up, so that I could hopefully prove that Wiccans that abide by the TRUE ways of the Wiccan are not Satanists.

I'm very sorry if I offended anyone by this. Merry Part

You don't have to be Wiccan to know that Satan is a myth.

ANY religion has its share of posers and hateful creeps.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

You don't have to be Wiccan to know that Satan is a myth.

ANY religion has its share of posers and hateful creeps.

Word.

Indeed.

Preciscley.

I don't know anything about wicca, so I won't talk about it.

quote:Originally posted by WolfinSheepsClothing:

I don't know anything about wicca, so I won't talk about it.

Why the fuck couldn't you just fall in line and continue our posts of positive statements?

Yes, why? Doth not thou conform to opinions which thee doest not fully understand!? Heresy!!@$%#

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

ANY religion has its share of posers and hateful creeps.

And they're as numerous outside religion.

quote:Originally posted by Freer Mage:

Yes, why? Doth not thou conform to opinions which thee doest not fully understand!? Heresy!!@$%#



Very funny, but "dost", not "doth".

quote:Originally posted by Freer Mage:

Not that eclectic bullshit mix of Wicca and that B movie The Craft.

Reminds me of that other mix. "Core" shamanism and past life readings.

I'm just sad anyone in the world would take that second link seriously. Or write it. Idiots.

That's not worth arguing against, but I skimmed down and this struck me as funny:

quote:they perceive that myths have a life of their own and even if they are not literally true they still have an archetypal power all their own.

Hmm, reminds me of a certain religion beginning with C...

Then the writer says:

quote:So a lie can be the truth. But the Bible says--

"no lie is of the truth." I John 2:21

That's probably the funniest Bible quote I've ever seen. Talk about needing it spelt out. "So a lie can be the truth" is a totally unfair conclusion, and it's drawn from somthing he himself said.

quote:Lucifer means "Light-bearer". Lucifer is the Devil/Satan/that Old Serpent/the Dragon. Lucifer and Satan are not two different entitites. New Age people are always talking about light and spiritual guides.

Another good one... isn't Jesus is the 'light of the world'? So he's saying Jesus is the devil?

Spiritual guides? Jesus?

I don't even know why I'm doing this. I'll stop now.

EDIT: Like everyone's already said, Wicca has it's posers and idiots, but so do all religions. Wicca seems to have much better intentions (and greater tolerance) than, ohh I dunno, Christianity? Islam? Most religions...

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It's just to easy just much to easy, so I'm not going to bother except to say, stupid cathloic/christian fucks.

Has anyone bothered to write into that jesus-is-lord site and pick out the many glaring inaccuracies, slanderous comments and outright lies about Wicca? Nothing offensive... just a nice polite e-mail telling them they are badly wrong in many ways... I'll do it...

quote:Originally posted by Joss:

Has anyone bothered to write into that jesus-is-lord site and pick out the many glaring inaccuracies, slanderous comments and outright lies about Wicca? Nothing offensive... just a nice polite e-mail telling them they are badly wrong in many ways... I'll do it...

Good idea.. It'd be nice to know the outcome .

quote:I don't know anything about wicca, so I won't talk about it.

Great contribution to the task at hand.

Either way, I have noticed that a great deal of people practice the wiccan religion incorrectly. They do idiotic things like replacing candles with flashlights. Excuse me if im incorrect, im not a follower of the wiccan religion, But altho contradicting popular belife, its not harry potter.

quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

Very funny, but "dost", not "doth".

Doth/Doest are the same word in Old English. Look it up. I think I should have used doest, though. Close.

quote:Originally posted by sp0rkius:

Wicca seems to have much better intentions (and greater tolerance) than, ohh I dunno, Christianity? Islam? Most religions...

Wicca is a politically correct New Age version of the old witchcraft, which does not imply that it may not have its "hard-core" practitioners.

quote:Originally posted by Freer Mage:

Doth/Doest are the same word in Old English. Look it up. I think I should have used doest, though. Close.



Dost is used for the second person, doth for the third person. Close if you wish.

Argh, actually... it's pretty damn long... I could start it, but I wouldn't get the whole thing finished... but I really do want to pick all the holes in that page...

Ok, I'll start...

Hmm... problem is, up until after the second set of bullet points, none of it is argument or reason... just subjective opinion and one-sided comments.

Its cool how Wicca is just the hippy revolution with some rituals and a surface level attachment to ancient paths.



Actual pagans would prooobably, capture modern wiccans and eat them, or dash the mens brains out on rocks and use the women as concubines.

quote:

Great contribution to the task at hand.

I think he was making a point about not speading other people's opinions about things you yourself aren't informed about.

quote:Wicca is a politically correct New Age version of the old witchcraft, which does not imply that it may not have its "hard-core" practitioners.

Witchcraft never existed, it was an excuse for old men to burn people. Wicca seems to me to be a mish-mash of all sorts of mystical bullshit, in a harmless 'horoscope' sort of way. Sure, they believe in the witchcraft that was accused of in lots of women in the past, but they seem to think they're "white witches" or somthing. Meh, looks harmless enough.

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quote:I think he was making a point about not speading other people's opinions about things you yourself aren't informed about.

But its not about what you think, its about what he said. And its not about other peoples opions, its about your own opinion, your the one posting , aren't you?

That article draws a lot of really unfair parallels between satanism and Wicca. Also, the author spends a great amount of time insulting, rather than making a well-informed and logical argument.

Yes, I will definitely concede that a lot of "wiccans" are wierd about it, trying to cause harm to other peoples or to mess around with things that, if they proved real, should not be screwed with. That's an alarming percent of wiccans. However, that's not all wiccans. I got into it because it was a mellow faith that reveres nature, plus you can make it your own - its very individualistic. Some of my beliefs are way out, but I try to keep it practical.

carrots

quote:Originally posted by Spirit of '22:

Its cool how Wicca is just the hippy revolution with some rituals and a surface level attachment to ancient paths.



Actual pagans would prooobably, capture modern wiccans and eat them, or dash the mens brains out on rocks and use the women as concubines.

They wouldn't, you have learnt all you know about paganism from over 1000 years of Catholic oppression.

Hahahahahaha

Youre right- The Iliad is just Catholic propaganda. So is Gibbons history of Rome, Seutonius, Tacitus, Plato, the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, all Catholic propaganda.

quote:Originally posted by Oxy-Moron:

They wouldn't, you have learnt all you know about paganism from over 1000 years of Catholic oppression.

Do you believe the gaelic wicker man tradition is a fairy tale you are made to believe by "Catholic oppression" ? Why don't you look it up.