i wana save you from HELL enter ISLAM

[princecharmant1980]

yeah it would be a pitty that you will enter HELL so i warned you don't thank me

hmm...you make a good argument, what do you propose?

EDIT: You all know I can't spell...

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[princecharmant1980]

go to the nearest mosque in your neighbour hood and say shahada

[Sniper]

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

go to the nearest mosque in your neighbour hood and say shahada

Excuse my ignorance, but what does that mean?

[princecharmant1980]

shahada=islamic declaration of faith

:

"there is no god but Allah and Mohamed is his prophet"

[NightVision]

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

shahada=islamic declaration of faith

:

"there is no god but Allah and Mohamed is his prophet"

um, no. *eats pork chop and drinks some mgd...* and the muslums practice the insane jewish penis hacing ritual.

[princecharmant1980]

quote:Originally posted by NightVision:

um, no. *eats pork chop and drinks some mgd...* and the muslums practice the insane jewish penis hacing ritual.

Overall: 71.1% are circumcised and 28.9% are uncircumcised. In the U.S., 76.5% are circumcised.

Circumcision rates within the U.S.: California: 69.8% Texas: 77.4% New York: 65.0% The South (Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia):%2083.3_25

Conclusion: It is widely said that in the Southern U.S. boys are less likely to be circumcised than elsewhere in the U.S. According to this study, this belief is a myth; the South actually has more circumcisions than elsewhere.

Circumcision rates outside the U.S.: Total: 47.3% Canada: 58.8% United Kingdom: 28.6% Australia: 33.3%



alcohol is bad to health porc also

in fact porc was also prohibited in the bible

[princecharmant1980]

circumcision in Islam is simply a tradition of semite origines it was in fact preislamic

it is not a obligatory it's just a cultural

remaining of Ibraham recommondation it's not

like to be muslim you should be circumsized

but it is recommended for Hygienic reasons

circumsized males have 10 times resistance

to catch AIDS

whats hell? and how do i get there?

[sp0rkius]

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

circumsized males have 10 times resistance

to catch AIDS

How does that work then? Got a source or anything?

[Sniper]

princecharmant1980, what does "harram" mean?

I decided to use this opportunity to ask some questions about Islam.

What is the difference between Islam and Christianity? Except the fact that the muslims believe Jesus was one of the prophets, not the son of the God...

And why the muslims can't wear gold stuff?

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Hahaha, i like princecharmant. He adds character to the forums.

...oh yeah, Shahabahada! w00t! haha...

I hope you realise that Allah was one of the idols that Mohammed 'pulled down' in Mecca - he was the moon god, and had a wife and 3 kids in fact.

Please don't leave. Anything non-western/Christian/alien conspiracy/Pagan/mixed-up Bhuddist would be a nice change to this forum

What if I don't have a Mosque near me?

Should I start reading the Koran without the guarantee that I'll understand it all?

[princecharmant1980]

quote:Originally posted by Sniper:

princecharmant1980, what does "harram" mean?

I decided to use this opportunity to ask some questions about Islam.

What is the difference between Islam and Christianity? Except the fact that the muslims believe Jesus was one of the prophets, not the son of the God...

And why the muslims can't wear gold stuff?

[This message has been edited by Sniper (edited 05-16-2004).]

Harram means Prohibited ask your questions

i'd be pleased to answer you

[princecharmant1980]

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

What if I don't have a Mosque near me?

Should I start reading the Koran without the guarantee that I'll understand it all?

there are Koran translations available online

you can also ask Muslims scholars in various websites

I've got a Palmer edition, I think.

I'm just not sure I'll understand some of the terms. Are you planning to stick around here and help us out?

[princecharmant1980]

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

I've got a Palmer edition, I think.

I'm just not sure I'll understand some of the terms. Are you planning to stick around here and help us out?

yes

Thank you

Oh, and that was a nice comment that you made to that jerk in Politics about not helping him because you want him to go to hell There are a lot of not very nice people here.

princecharmant1980, In your religion does it state that no matter how good you are that if you don't follow it you go to hell?

Actually, yes, it does say that no matter what if you don't follow Islam you ARE going to hell, no matter what.

fuck you asshole its just as bad as any other religion

Well, I think it's pretty considerate of him to offer us a chance

Charmant, do you know a good board for new people to get acquainted with Islam? I took a look at two, but I'm not sure where to go.

[onasis]

What is your reaction to this:

The Qur‘an is Preserved and Unchanged Revelation from Allah

quote:Excerpts from the site:

...

Many Muslims claim that after Mohammed's death, fear that portions of these teachings of Allah would be lost due to battle and deaths of those who had heard the words of Mohammed motivated early Muslim rulers to begin compilation of the revelations which Mohammed claimed to have received. The end result of this compilation, began by Mohammed's successor Abu Bakr, and finished by Caliph Uthman (644-656 AD), is said to be the Qur'an in its present form 4 (though what usually remains unmentioned is that Uthman is reported in the traditions to have also carried out the destruction by fire of all variant readings which did not conform to his compilation.)

The Tangible Evidences

Textual and archaeological evidences, however, do not support these claims. Most of the actual evidence which has been found post-dates Uthman by at least a century, and additionally differs from the present “standard” version of the Arabic Qur’an on a number of points. This divergence is true even for that evidence which is chronologically nearer to this Caliph.

To begin, Muslim scholars claim to have uncovered 7th century copies of the original Quranic manuscript, sent throughout the newly formed Arab Empire by Uthman, these being the Topkapi MSS in Istanbul, and the Samarkand MSS in Tashkent. However, manuscript experts have ruled out that possibility, and instead date these manuscripts as being from the late 8th century, at the earliest. Their reason for doing so is that these two manuscripts were copied in what is known as the Kufic script, a style which originated in the Iraqi city of Kufah and was largely used from the late 8th to the 11th centuries, only gradually finding widespread use in the rest of the Muslim world until it was replaced generally by the Naskh script5.

...

Thus, the Qur'an appears to have had only a marginal effect on the body of Islamic law which was building up in the first centuries of the Arab Empire. Of much greater impact were the popular practice of the people themselves and the expedients of governing needed to manage the new order, and these helped to mold the legal system of Islam in preparation for the eventual Quranic overlay onto the system. In other words, the Qur'an was developed and invested with its authority as "scripture" through a process of evolution in Muslim culture, instead of the traditional view that the Qur'an laid the foundation for Muslim society in the ummah. It was not until the 9th century that the Qur’an began to be invested with the authority with which later Islam would view it.

...

These are just of the things I found interesting, I suggest you read the entire thing.

*takes a gulp of Nazivision's miller and orders some pork chops, medium rare*

Hello I'm an ex-Muslim and I'll answer all your questions from an unbiased point of view.

I see both good and bad in Islam, but once I started thinking for myself, I realized logically that Islam, nor any other religion out there is true nor is the god preached in those religions true.

I've got about 18 years of experience living as a muslim, I was taught pretty much everything but after all that I didn't buy it. So if you have any questions then ask.

[onasis]

Answer me now Paki!

[Your reaction to what I said before]

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quote:Originally posted by Pakistoned:

Hello I'm an ex-Muslim and I'll answer all your questions from an unbiased point of view.

I see both good and bad in Islam, but once I started thinking for myself, I realized logically that Islam, nor any other religion out there is true nor is the god preached in those religions true.

I've got about 18 years of experience living as a muslim, I was taught pretty much everything but after all that I didn't buy it. So if you have any questions then ask.

Ok, does muslims have a judgement day after they die? And if so, would allah be angered at Prince for wishing others to burn in hell, and other such things?

[Sniper]

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

Harram means Prohibited ask your questions

i'd be pleased to answer you

Why for men wearing golden rings or other stuff is harram, and women can wear them?

[princecharmant1980]

look i have a suggestion ask all your questions here then i'll collect them and try to make a FAQ out of it .

[princecharmant1980]

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

Well, I think it's pretty considerate of him to offer us a chance

Charmant, do you know a good board for new people to get acquainted with Islam? I took a look at two, but I'm not sure where to go.

http:../../forums.gawaher.com/default.htm

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

shahada=islamic declaration of faith

:

"there is no god but Allah and Mohamed is his prophet"

I keep telling you -- you're making too many stupid mistakes when trying to fake being Muslim.

Unless you're a recent, recent, recent Western civilization convert (in which case you shouldn't be trying to explain Islam to others like you're one of the grand Ayat Allahs) you're an obvious fake to anybody who knows anything about Islam.

[princecharmant1980]

quote:Originally posted by Shiantar:

I keep telling you -- you're making too many stupid mistakes when trying to fake being Muslim.

Unless you're a recent, recent, recent Western civilization convert (in which case you shouldn't be trying to explain Islam to others like you're one of the grand Ayat Allahs) you're an obvious fake to anybody who knows anything about Islam.

name one mistake that i've made and i'm not Shia muslim i'm sunnah i don't worship graves as ayatlah do i worship allah alone

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

name one mistake that i've made

I'll name three:

First of all, you invoked the name of the Prophet Muhammmad (may peace be unto him) and invoking any prophet's name without proper respect to them is disrespectful.

Secondly, you did an incomplete explanation of Islamic shehaada: There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet; and there is no religion except Al-Islam

Thirdly, in trying to explain shehaada as the first pillar of Islam you passed off Islam as being simpler than it is -- have you forgotten the other four (essential)pillars of Islam?

1) Salat (prayer, including both the ritual ablutions of wudu and praying the complete muezzin (Fajr, Zuhr, Asr, Maghrib, and Isha));

2)Sawn (fasting during Rhamadan);

3)Zakat (the giving of alms to the poor); and

4)Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca for those that are able)

Arguably the sixth pillar is Jihad but in the absence of a need for struggle I'm sure Islam could get by on the other five.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

http:../../forums.gawaher.com/default.htm

Thank you.

Uhm...I'm not completely sure what you guys are talking about, but I've heard a little bit about some of the things and it really just seems like small things (not to be disrespectful, sorry), but Charmant just seems to be trying to help people and giving brief, layman's (well, in a way) terms to try to get us started off.

I wouldn't try to speak for him, I'm sure I can't defend him as well as he could himself with his knowledge of what's going on, but I'm just saying...

People who are new to this like me can appreciate the simple way in which he describes it all.

[princecharmant1980]

quote:Originally posted by Shiantar:

I'll name three:

First of all, you invoked the name of the Prophet Muhammmad (may peace be unto him) and invoking any prophet's name without proper respect to them is disrespectful.

i guess that you are right here but it's not intentional the prophet (may peace be unto him) said:"works are by will"

"al a3mal bi niyate" and Allah only knows that it wasn't intentional.

quote:

Secondly, you did an incomplete explanation of Islamic shehaada: There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet; and there is no religion except Al-Islam

well no my brother (since you are muslim) Shahada has many forms the minimal obligatory and the sunnah form like with prayer the Fard (obligation) and Sunnah (like chaf3 and watr)

the minimal one is Ashadu ana la ilaha ila lah wa ana mohamed rassoullou lah

"there is no god but allah and mohhamed is his prophet" and you know there is even a more minimal for you know the story of

Bilal the slave who entered islam he said

"Uhud Uhud" means 1 1 refering to one god

some muslim scolars said that

it's wanted and liked to say after the minimal shahada

the that islam is the only relligion some others say you can add that "ana al akhirata "

the judgement day is a reality

so it depends but the minimal Shahada works ask any Scholar

quote:

Thirdly, in trying to explain shehaada as the first pillar of Islam you passed off Islam as being simpler than it is -- have you forgotten the other four (essential)pillars of Islam?

1) Salat (prayer, including both the ritual ablutions of wudu and praying the complete muezzin (Fajr, Zuhr, Asr, Maghrib, and Isha));

2)Sawn (fasting during Rhamadan);

3)Zakat (the giving of alms to the poor); and

4)Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca for those that are able)

Arguably the sixth pillar is Jihad but in the absence of a need for struggle I'm sure Islam could get by on the other five.

here again brother when Mohamed (may peace be unto him) started to teach Islam he began with the Unicity of Allah (Tawhide)

the other things came after in fact do you know the Hadith that says i don't remember the exact Hadith but the prophet (may peace be unto him) said that alah will punish bad muslims in hell like kafirs but when they will be punished (this can take thousands of years) Allah almighty will say to his angels

Take out from hell whoever said "there is no god but allah"

unicity is the most important thing some muslims pray fast and do all the obligation but still do Grave worshiping saint invocation black Magic

and all forms of polytheisme

of course other stuff are important i don't deny it but when you begin to advertise for a relligion you start by the philosophy behind it why it is different from other relligions the main difference is Monotheisme god has no associates or son or holly ghost this is the main idea of Islam

in priority and then when the people accepts the Idea behind Islam and are willing to know more you tell them more this is how (Da3wa )works and many people who works in spreading of Islam are fellowing the same

Methodologie

to tell someone to change his relligion is like tellong him to stop smoking it should be done step by step convince him the differences what he should accept and then

let him think for himself most new reverters to Islam took many months of meditation we shouldn't tell them too much things at once

so that they can think about everything and meditate on it

and yes i agree that other pillars are important and i was going to tell them about them when they understand Tawhid and unicity

of Allah almighty

[princecharmant1980]

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

Thank you.

Uhm...I'm not completely sure what you guys are talking about, but I've heard a little bit about some of the things and it really just seems like small things (not to be disrespectful, sorry), but Charmant just seems to be trying to help people and giving brief, layman's (well, in a way) terms to try to get us started off.

I wouldn't try to speak for him, I'm sure I can't defend him as well as he could himself with his knowledge of what's going on, but I'm just saying...

People who are new to this like me can appreciate the simple way in which he describes it all.

yes that's what i wana do step by step thanks for explaining to others

i apreciate that

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

well no my brother (since you are muslim)

Muslim?

Me?

What on earth would give you that idea?

quote:Originally posted by Discipulus:

Actually, yes, it does say that no matter what if you don't follow Islam you ARE going to hell, no matter what.

Well doesn't that sounds like a fucked up religion???

always,

bite_me

[princecharmant1980]

quote:Originally posted by Shiantar:

Muslim?

Me?

What on earth would give you that idea?

u seem to know pretty well

quote:Originally posted by Shiantar:

Muslim?

Me?

What on earth would give you that idea?

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

u seem to know pretty well

I'll let you in on a little secret:

(ahem)

I'm an engineer, and that means that all other things being equal, I have to make myself knowledgeable about anything that matters in the world.

Seeing as how a lot of people are religious, I find myself pondering over a lot of religious issues and dialogues, if for no other reason than to achieve what any right-minded engineer wants to achieve -- understanding.

I know a lot about the various rites of many of the major religions on the face of this earth.

I've heard and read about them all -- Christianity (Catholicism, Protestantism, Lutheranism, the Greek Orthodoxy, the Eastern Orthodoxy, Baptism, Unitarianism, Anglicanism, Mormonism, and those of the Jehovah's witnesses) ... Judaism (Orthodox, Hasidic, Ashkenazi, Karaite, Sephardic, Reform, and Reconstructionist) ... Islam (Sunnah, Shia, and the sometimes separate Sufi, Bektashi, Ibadhi, Wahhabi, and Brelvi) ... the Hindus, the Sikhs, the Buddhists, the Shintoists, the polytheistic Pagans and so on, and on, and on ...

What gets me about the whole deal is that you really can't subscribe to the beliefs of one organized religion without disavowing all the others and thus being condemned by the other (n-1) organized religions to an afterlife of eternal damnation or substandard reincarnation.

So I, myself, do exactly what I think is reasonable under the circumstances: I believe nothing.

Nothing at all.

I don't even know if God(s)/(esses) exist.

I certainly can't prove to my satisfaction, affirmatively or negatively, what exists or doesn't.

In the absence of any convincing arguments or testimony or evidence to support a particular course of action or thought or belief, I also do what I think is reasonable under those circumstances: I behave like a nice guy.

That's all. I behave myself like a nice guy. I try to be honest, honorable, thoughtful, generous, humble, intelligent person. I obey the laws of the land (which, for the most part, seem to keep people behaving nicely and fairly to each other, and seem to be founded -- on a practical basis -- on principles which leave a warm sensation in my chest rather than a cold one).

And I don't know what's waiting for me in the afterlife -- really I don't.

If some entity wants to look at my life (which, I'll admit, has had its less-than-shining moments and some which were stellar) and judge me, that's fine.

Ever heard of what went on between Archbishop Thomas More and King Henry XIII ? I can see that possiblity too, in the afterlife.

Some God might think that I was an OK guy, but if he wants to fling me into the abyss because I didn't mouth a few words saying I believed in him and whatever else he happened to fancy, I'll probably just do the following:

I'll shrug, and say, "How was I supposed to know?"