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| My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged. |
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# 1
2003-09-06, 04:39
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According to Genesis, God created (amoung other things) animals, man, woman, and plants. In what order did the creation take place? Also, speaking of this God fellow, what is his exact name? Read Genesis 1 and 2 to find out!
Anyone know?
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#2
2003-09-06, 05:14 |
Armed&Angry 
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 Re: Order of creation
It doesn't say his name in my copy of the Tanakh. Traditionally I've heard him called Jehovah, but some sects used the term Jabulon.
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# 3
2003-09-06, 05:27
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quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:
It doesn't say his name in my copy of the Tanakh. Traditionally I've heard him called Jehovah, but some sects used the term Jabulon.
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Yeah, it depends which one you're reading.
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# 4
2003-09-06, 06:43
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The exact name has been lost for a longer time than christianity has been around. Anyways im glad it is, too many idiots nowdays would misuse it.
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# 5
2003-09-06, 06:44
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Apparently, it's impossible to know his real name.
If you did know it, and said it, your head would explode.
I do believe it's plants, animals, man, woman.
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#6
2003-09-06, 19:00 |
Armed&Angry
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Re: Order of creation
I heard it was Jabulon because Ja, Baal, and On were all powerful pagan gods in and around Canaan, and the Jews kinda copped them.
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# 7
2003-09-06, 23:10
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quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:
I do believe it's plants, animals, man, woman.
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Is it? Go read Genesis chapter 2 and double check that one for me, okay?
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# 8
2003-09-07, 00:12
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Acctually according to traditional stories and some hidden Torah/Talmud stories speaking the true name makes you accend straight into heaven. To directly consult
G-d on any matter you chose. Or as in some stories of lilith it makes you just plan fly.
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#9
2003-09-07, 01:45 |
Armed&Angry
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Re: Order of creation
Look, it's not in my goddamn bible, just tell me.
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# 10
2003-09-07, 05:46
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Its plants animals man woman. Pretty simple really.
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2003-09-07, 08:11 |
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Re: Order of creation
quote:Originally posted by Fascistsmasher:
Acctually according to traditional stories and some hidden Torah/Talmud stories speaking the true name makes you accend straight into heaven. To directly consult
G-d on any matter you chose. Or as in some stories of lilith it makes you just plan fly.
Cool.
Well then, I've GOTTA find this name.
I'll tell you it if I find it, A&A. Share the intellectual wealth, I always say.
Any other wealth I hoard, but I'm more than willing to share knowledge.
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#12
2003-09-07, 12:17 |
FourUntoFive
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Re: Order of creation
Jacob tried asking God his true name when they wreseled each other.
I heard about this, name means power, statement.
I'm just not gonna to get into it right now.
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#13
2003-09-07, 18:50 |
Armed&Angry
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Re: Order of creation
TELL ME, YOU SICK FUCK!
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#14
2003-09-07, 21:41 |
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Re: Order of creation
lol, im sure the name is still around in a Chasidic circle or two.
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#15
2003-09-07, 22:46 |
Amaterasu
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Re: Order of creation
I contemplate the idea that as animals are "above" plants, and man is "above" animals, that possibly woman is "above" man... <shrug>
Then again, maybe the spirit is all the same and it's all equal.
Quien sabe.
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#16
2003-09-08, 00:10 |
MrEricSir
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Re: Order of creation
quote:Originally posted by Fascistsmasher:
Its plants animals man woman. Pretty simple really.
Is it? Are you absolutely positive? Read chapter 2 and confirm that one for me, okay?
quote:Originally posted by Amaterasu:
I contemplate the idea that as animals are "above" plants, and man is "above" animals, that possibly woman is "above" man... <shrug>
No, I'm not asking for some sort of interpretation as to the meaning, I'm just asking what order it occured in. Is that so much to ask?
[This message has been edited by MrEricSir (edited 09-08-2003).]
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#17
2003-09-08, 00:30 |
Amaterasu
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Re: Order of creation
quote:Originally posted by MrEricSir:
No, I'm not asking for some sort of interpretation as to the meaning, I'm just asking what order it occured in. Is that so much to ask?
Hmmm. Sorry if my musing caused you issues. It was stated that that was the order in a previous post and I was just pondering the meanings. Again, apologies if this created confusion or anxiety.
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#18
2003-09-08, 00:54 |
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Re: Order of creation
quote:Originally posted by MrEricSir:
Is it? Are you absolutely positive? Read chapter 2 and confirm that one for me, okay?
DIE, you son of a bitch.
Read chapter 1 and confirm it yourself.
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#19
2003-09-08, 02:55 |
Armed&Angry
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Re: Order of creation
I WILL KILL YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY IF YOU DO NOT TELL ME IN THE NEXT HOUR.
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#20
2003-09-08, 03:03 |
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Re: Order of creation
quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:
I WILL KILL YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY IF YOU DO NOT TELL ME IN THE NEXT HOUR.
Bah, alright.
You charmed it out of me.
Tetragrammaton.
[This message has been edited by Kikey_Kikeowitz (edited 09-08-2003).]
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#21
2003-09-08, 03:50 |
MrEricSir
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Re: Order of creation
quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:
DIE, you son of a bitch.
Read chapter 1 and confirm it yourself.
But my point is that you should confirm with chapter two what you learned in one. Just to be sure, you know?
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#22
2003-09-08, 04:33 |
Armed&Angry
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Re: Order of creation
WTF? Tetragrammaton? That's Greek. And I believe it references a group of five words. What. The. Fuck?!?
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#23
2003-09-08, 06:19 |
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Re: Order of creation
quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:
WTF? Tetragrammaton? That's Greek. And I believe it references a group of five words. What. The. Fuck?!?
You've got me.
I was just bullshitting you to get you off my back.
I make no apologies.
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#24
2003-09-09, 07:41 |
MrEricSir
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Re: Order of creation
Nobody's figured it out yet? I'm deeply disa pointed in you guys.
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#25
2003-09-10, 21:37 |
Armed&Angry
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Re: Order of creation
Ooh! Ooh! is it "elohim?"
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#26
2003-09-11, 00:34 |
L3d3ni
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Re: Order of creation
Oooh! I know! *raises hand like a nerd at math class*
It's Stanley, right?
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#27
2003-09-11, 00:49 |
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Re: Order of creation
I think Eric is trying to make the point that Genesis contains two contradictory accounts of creation.
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#28
2003-09-11, 00:50 |
Armed&Angry
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Re: Order of creation
Dammit, answer my question!
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#29
2003-09-11, 00:54 |
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Re: Order of creation
quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:
Dammit, answer my question!
The traditional Jewish rendition is YHWH (the tetragrammaton). The name was so holy it couldn't be written in full, so we aren't sure how it was pronounced, but people generally say Yah-wey.
There are other names, too - Elohim, El, Elah. It depends where you are in the Bible. I'm sure the Jews have a lot more to say about the topic.
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2003-09-11, 07:19 |
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Re: Order of creation
quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:
Ooh! Ooh! is it "elohim?"
Did you ascend into heaven when you said it?
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#31
2003-09-11, 09:37 |
MrEricSir
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Re: Order of creation
quote:Originally posted by Craftian:
I think Eric is trying to make the point that Genesis contains two contradictory accounts of creation.
*BINGO!*
Now for the bonus round, you're all free to go check Exodus and find the 10 commandments... or was that the 8 commandments? Huh, I guess it depends where ya look, now doesn't it?
The point here, of course, is that in taking quotes from the Bible, they're going to be out of context no matter what because the Bible itself is inconsistent -- unless you divide it up certain ways, which no religion actually does.
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#32
2003-09-11, 09:41 |
MrEricSir
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Re: Order of creation
Oh yeah, and as for the name of the deity... it depends where you look. One text refers to him as "God" no matter where ya look. The other set depends on the translation. Could be "Lord God," "Yaweh the God," "Jaweh the God," or something else entirely. Also note that this text clearly states that other gods do exist, whereas the "God" text states that no other gods exist.
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#33
2003-09-11, 21:13 |
Armed&Angry
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Re: Order of creation
If you're just making a point about the invalidity of the bible, well, you're preaching to the converted here, if you'll excuse the odd choice of analogy. 
I'm more interested in the bit of trivia, namely the name of God, primarily so I can impress my Judeao-Christian Tradition class. I was under the impression that Yahweh was a title or, alternately, God's method of telling Moses to mind his own damn business. |
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#34
2003-09-12, 23:23 |
MrEricSir
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Re: Order of creation
quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:
I'm more interested in the bit of trivia, namely the name of God, primarily so I can impress my Judeao-Christian Tradition class. I was under the impression that Yahweh was a title or, alternately, God's method of telling Moses to mind his own damn business.
There's no way to know for sure, but it's interesting that most Bibles differentiate between "God" and "Lord God"/"Jaweh the God"/"Yaweh the God" in alternating sections.
If the name was something other than Yaweh the God, it was most likely lost long before the Bible was ever written down. You have to remember that people passed these stories on for generations before anyone even considered putting them in writing (hence the songs and poetry in the bible to make it all easier to remember.)
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#35
2003-09-12, 23:26 |
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Re: Order of creation
YHWH is an acronym of sorts.
Nobody knows today his real name.
Like I said, if I DO find out, I'll tell you.
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