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weed man · #1 2003-06-09, 04:26

okay, if the first humans were adam and eve, then theiur kids would have to participate in incest to reproduce again, and as you know (from medieval families and shit), a straight family tree results in disease and sickly children, but most of us are healthy, so i think adam and eve is bull shit. by the way, the matrix stole the idead of adam and eve for there movie (the first matrix was perfect and everyone was happy, but a disaster happened and it failed). i could be wrong.

bigtmoney · #2 2003-06-09, 04:37

good ? about adam and eve. i think most would say adam and eve is a metaphor but i will do my if it wasnt. The main thing is the lack of disease and shit around back then. People lived to be like 950-1300 years old. thats really the only thing i can think of. Onto the matrix. They did not copy it. The disaster wasn't the fall of man from the bible (i think this is what you mean)what happened was everything was perfect, and that are brains and minds cant comprehend being perfect, thus all the crop went nutty and fucked up. Hope that made sense.

Schizophrenic Styrofoam · #3 2003-06-09, 04:38

but the next generation wouldn't have that problem because science proved cousins don't have close enough DNA.

and if their kids DNA was different enough then it wouldn't cause problems in the first place.

*I'm not defending anything here, just speaking the truth

CesareBorgia · #4 2003-06-09, 05:36

This is easily explained.

The whole incest thing produces a lot of diseases because it is fairly likely that brother and sister will have two recessive-recessive genes that will create the recessive trait in the child and give him/her the disease.

Adam and Eve, obviously didn't have these diseases or have the recessive genes or cancer or whatnot. If they did, we would still have evolved to be alright. It's just that we would have evolved slower, as more mutants would have to die off.

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quote:Originally posted by weed man:

okay, if the first humans were adam and eve, then theiur kids would have to participate in incest to reproduce again, and as you know (from medieval families and shit), a straight family tree results in disease and sickly children, but most of us are healthy, so i think adam and eve is bull shit. by the way, the matrix stole the idead of adam and eve for there movie (the first matrix was perfect and everyone was happy, but a disaster happened and it failed). i could be wrong.

Kikey_Kikeowitz · #5 2003-06-09, 08:36

That's not a hard question to answer, and it already has been.

I've always understood Adam & Eve to be a metaphor explaining humans seperation from the rest of earth's inhabitants from the start, though.

The REAL question is:

In Genesis, Cain is doomed to walk the earth by G-d after he kills his brother Abel. G-d also says that he cannot be killed by anyone else, or that person would be cursed.

So, Cain goes on about his busines wandering around. Now, it then says that eventually Cain married.

Let's think about this. Cain married another human, when the only three humans on earth were Adam, Eve, and Cain(and later, Seth).

Where the fuck did this broad come from?

Spirit of '22 · #6 2003-06-09, 08:44

Answering these questions will only encourage similarly mindless threads.

Kikey_Kikeowitz · #7 2003-06-09, 09:04

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quote:Originally posted by Spirit of '22:

Answering these questions will only encourage similarly mindless threads.

Bullshit, my question's very worthwhile.

The OP's, however...

just.landed · #8 2003-06-09, 10:15

Adam and Eve probably had like 20 children or something. As with the incest thing, if we are to go with the biblical portrayals of humans at the beggining, nowadays we are anything but "healthy" when compared to say Adam and Eve.

TigerJK · #9 2003-06-09, 11:13

The answer is:

The people who wrote Genesis (Moses?) didn't know about incest causing deformities.

Or, more accurately, the wives of Cain, Abel and Seth didn't figure largely in their interpretation of the creation of the world.

DgenR8 · #10 2003-06-09, 15:37

Cain was sent away from the Lord's presence and lived in a land called the "wandering," which is east of Edan.

This is where he met his wife and had a son called Enoch.

UrbnTbone · #11 2003-06-09, 16:23

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quote:Originally posted by weed man:

okay, if the first humans were adam and eve, then theiur kids would have to participate in incest to reproduce again, and as you know (from medieval families and shit), a straight family tree results in disease and sickly children, but most of us are healthy, so i think adam and eve is bull shit.

Adam & eve & kids had enough genetic promiscuity, then at some point it takes some mixing in order to preserve from genetic malfunctons. And please don't ever say "bullshit" again on my ancestors...

UrbnTbone · #12 2003-06-09, 16:35

With every one of Jacobs sons, a daughter was born as well. And if I remember well, it was the same than in the Genesis tale.

Then the question of the flood: besides Noach and his sons and daughters and the rest, were there survivors? Some rabbinical commentaries maintain there was no flood in the holy land...

That's why the bible has tales with giants, after the flood, and other creations that coudn't be of Noach's offsprings.

But generally speaking, the Cain offsprings are soul descendants, they are from Cain's side through reincarnation. When a Jew starts to learn kabalah they have to determine their soul ascendant, from Cain means they have some gross violent impulses. For those, the great work will be of a different nature.

AK I stop here, since everybody is yawning, and those who are not, are sleeping. YaaAAwWn!!!! ! ! !!!

Kikey_Kikeowitz · #13 2003-06-09, 17:14

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quote:Originally posted by DgenR8:

Cain was sent away from the Lord's presence and lived in a land called the "wandering," which is east of Edan.

This is where he met his wife and had a son called Enoch.

But where did his wife come from?

Also, that reminds me. I reccomend everybody read the book of Enoch. It's a damned cool read.

UrbnTbone · #14 2003-06-09, 22:13

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quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:

But where did his wife come from?

originally posted by utb: "With every one of Jacobs sons, a daughter was born as well. Same than for adam/eve."

Alternative opinion: every new year's Eve there was a new woman coming down through Cain's chimney. The custom has survived with xmas and n.y.e. gifts.

bigtmoney · #15 2003-06-10, 00:09

where is the book of enoch. Its not in any of my bibles

ArmsMerchant · #16 2003-06-10, 00:34

Most all of the bible is myth, including the tall tale of Adam and Eve.

God has been grossly libelled in that fucking book. He really isn't so petty, vengeful, and meanspirited. Read the book of Job--what a fucking crock.

bigtmoney · #17 2003-06-10, 00:50

well your a bit full of yourself arent you there arms. How the hell are you so sure when theres no proof of anykind supporting anything. Come on guys the god of arms is such a crock, my balls rule the world. Read arms book, what a big bunch of shit.

Kikey_Kikeowitz · #18 2003-06-10, 09:01

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quote:Originally posted by bigtmoney:

where is the book of enoch. Its not in any of my bibles

It's part of a number of books that were left out of the bible.

Google the term 'apocrypha.'

Kikey_Kikeowitz · #19 2003-06-10, 09:02

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quote:Originally posted by bigtmoney:

well your a bit full of yourself arent you there arms. How the hell are you so sure when theres no proof of anykind supporting anything. Come on guys the god of arms is such a crock, my balls rule the world. Read arms book, what a big bunch of shit.

Well, ArmsMerchant claims to have spoken to the big man himself.

UrbnTbone · #20 2003-06-10, 13:58

Well I can testify he did:

last time I was waiting in a line, and he came out. At first I thought that it was God's secretary, then maybe God herself, but I saw this emerald he had been trying to sell the big boss, as well as a sticker saying "this meat has been well-kept in alaskan winter", and a bumper sticker "this car has come down from the big North of America, who cares about Mt Washington..."

Well I was about to talk to him, but God called me in. Next time, Arms...