An Objective Reality and Moral Relativity

I couldn't find a philosophy forum here on TOTSE, but I was curious about this:

Does an objective reality nullify the idea of moral relativity?

An objective reality seems kind of absolute to me, wheras moral relativity is, well, more of a relative/personal thing.

[Spirit of '22]

You are right. But most people who talk about moral relativism dont believe in anything absolute. If something is absolute, some people might be uncomfortable and incorrect, and that just isnt very fair.

I guess more of what I'm asking is how morality relates to an objective reality.

Morality seems to be an *abstract concept* whereas reality deals with the concrete. I admit I'm a moral relativist, however; I am confused on the idea of an objective reality.

Jeez, I don't know what to think anymore...

[Spirit of '22]

Why does reality have to deal with only concrete things? Spirituality is a reality.

Well, Spirituality is subjective where as reality is an objective sort of thing.

You and I will agree on that the sky is blue (reality) whereas we may disagree on the best way to attain enlightenment.

In my opinion, subjectivity has no place in an objective reality.

[Spirit of '22]

Spirituality is not subjective... If you think there are human conditions to place on spirituality, youre not addressing anything spiritual at all.

[Dark_Magneto]

Person #1 says that spirituality is through Jesus

Person #2 says it's subjective

Person #3 says it's through Ganesha

#4 says Allah

#5 says aliens.

Who is right?

[Spirit of '22]

A multidude of opinions does not mean a multitude of right answers.

[Dark_Magneto]

I concur.

But that's what makes spirituality a somewhat controversial subject, a billion other different opinons.

If spirituality was not subjective, how could it be personal? An absolute suggests that it shouldn't be personal or subjective, that there is only one right answer. I dunno about you guys, but my own relationship with God (or whatever) is between me and God (or whatever). Surely ones spirituality can be "shared." Spirituality can exist in a relationship, but it ultimately comes down to communication/relationship with God (or, once again, whatever).

But that is besides the point, I still ask how moral relativity relates to an objective reality?

[Dark_Magneto]

Morals are personal, reality is not.

[Spirit of '22]

It sickens you guys to think that some people are just wrong, doesnt it?

quote:Originally posted by Spirit of '22:

It sickens you guys to think that some people are just wrong, doesnt it?

Do you propose any way to prove anybody absolutely correct?

[Spirit of '22]

Yes. Simple logic rules out 8 in 10 moral systems.

[VeneFrigus]

Nah, the omnipotent deity card rules out logical proofs.

quote:Originally posted by Spirit of '22:

Yes. Simple logic rules out 8 in 10 moral systems.

Can you elaborate?

How can you prove morality to be correct through logic?

Example: Conservative Christians in America see polygamy as immoral, whilst some Mormons believe it be moral.

Who is right and who is wrong? How can you prove who is right and who is wrong?