Quit bitching, the American industrial base, like the rest of the economy, fluctuates quite a bit. It's perfectly natural.

And it's not like we have an unrenewable supply of employers. New companies are created on a regular basis.

quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

New companies are created on a regular basis.

Thanks for the government subsidies Uncle Sam!!

quote:Originally posted by Mota Boy:

And yet... somehow Americans as a whole keep getting richer and unemployment hasn't risen. This has been happening for years, the only difference now is that it is starting to affect white-collar jobs. If you're smart and/or hardworking, there will almost always be a job for you in the country.

Lift the blinds off your eyes dude. In washington, the unemployment rate is RISING and it doesn't matter how smart you are, there just aren't enough jobs.

(It would make more sense if you have read "The rainmaker")

But seriously, you don't know what you are talking about.

Corporations are soulless entities that exist on paper. They can be knee-deep in the stench of their own shit; without it affecting their survivability and profit.

Public lynchings of errant CEO's and board members: would go a long way to restoring them with warmth and compassion.

quote:Originally posted by ScreamOfDeath:

Lift the blinds off your eyes dude. In washington, the unemployment rate is RISING and it doesn't matter how smart you are, there just aren't enough jobs.

Yes, that usually happens when the country undergoes a recession... The recession, however, is not due to an outsourcing of jobs, but a surplus in the number of tech jobs during the nineties (and surprise - Seattle was one of the more overstocked cities!)

Since jobs have been going overseas or across the border the unemployment rate has not been affected. Yes, there are periodic dips just like every economy, but it ain't because of foreign workers. (It would make more sense if you had studied "economics")

Oh, and the phrase is the "wool" over your eyes, not the "blinds". Please do me a favor and never agree with me in any argument.

quote:Originally posted by Mota Boy:

Yes, that usually happens when the country undergoes a recession... The recession, however, is not due to an outsourcing of jobs, but a surplus in the number of tech jobs during the nineties (and surprise - Seattle was one of the more overstocked cities!)

Since jobs have been going overseas or across the border the unemployment rate has not been affected. Yes, there are periodic dips just like every economy, but it ain't because of foreign workers. (It would make more sense if you had studied "economics")

Oh, and the phrase is the "wool" over your eyes, not the "blinds". Please do me a favor and never agree with me in any argument.

Well I never studied economics so maybe you can give me a crash course. How can jobs that might pay an American $60,000 a year goes to a indian an they pay him $4000 a year, How can mass layoffs, plant closings an jobs being shipped to mexico help the economy?

I just saw something about this on PBS on NOW w/BIll Moyers. They were talking about a case where the people over seas were processing welfare checks for some state government. One of the key state players caused such a rucuss that the jobs were eventually taken back to the U.S. and people that were on welfare are now working to process welfare checks. The lady (can't remember her name) tried to pass legislature where any state job must be done in the state (to promote local employment) but it didn't pass. Bill Moyers was giving a whole bunch of examples where these kinds of actions in American companies are causing unemployment. One guy had enough money set aside to start his own blue collar business that would not recieve competition from outside the U.S. because of the type of work.

On the whole outsourcing jobs does help the economy because it makes things cheaper and easier to access. The real benifits are bourgeous and not felt by regular people though.

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The real benifits are bourgeous and not felt by regular people though.

Howerever, you just stated the following:

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On the whole outsourcing jobs does help the economy because it makes things cheaper and easier to access.

Cheaper labor and increases in efficiency translate into lower prices for the product; the result of a competative market. To benefit, all the regular guy must do is buy the product.

That's right. The false love of consumerism is essential to the capitalist class structure.

<quote>Well I never studied economics so maybe you can give me a crash course. How can jobs that might pay an American $60,000 a year goes to a indian an they pay him $4000 a year, How can mass layoffs, plant closings an jobs being shipped to mexico help the economy?

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One word baby: Reaganomics!!!!!!



actually, It is better to think of The United States as a collaberation of people sick opf their old countries( and the indians) People from all over the world who come over on J-1's or H-1's and what not, they are americans. America is like a company, we bring in asians when we need our railroads built, Africans when we need our cotton picked, Slavics when we need factory workers and now Indians when we need IT work.

things change with time , the main problem is that with the outsorucing we arent getting any of that money back into our economy (except for all the modernied computers we have made in japan that WE sell to the Indian IT'ers, not to mention our upperlevel facilitation in their bussiness. There will always be white collar jobs in the US, the types of jobes we are really loosing is, like you said, the post graduate not-mcdonalds-but-not-a-life-long-career-job, like dell tech support worker.

quote:Originally posted by Mota Boy:

Yes, that usually happens when the country undergoes a recession... The recession, however, is not due to an outsourcing of jobs, but a surplus in the number of tech jobs during the nineties (and surprise - Seattle was one of the more overstocked cities!)

Since jobs have been going overseas or across the border the unemployment rate has not been affected. Yes, there are periodic dips just like every economy, but it ain't because of foreign workers. (It would make more sense if you had studied "economics")

Oh, and the phrase is the "wool" over your eyes, not the "blinds". Please do me a favor and never agree with me in any argument.



You didn't take what I was saying into context. You said that the unemployment rate wasn't raising, and I was saying that you were full of shit. The current unemployment rate is the record for washington.

And about the phrase, I wasn't trying to use that term, so who the fuck cares? Blinds block your eyesight just as much as wool.

quote:Originally posted by onasis:

First thing I would like to say is why hasn't anyone else posted something like this before?

Now let's get a couple things straight. American jobs are moving overseas, mostly IT (if you don't know what this is, jump out the nearest window), to India because labor is plentiful, cheaper, and Indians are more hard working. This is contrasting to times before in which Indians were being brought over on the H-1 visa to work for American companies. Now Indians control many major IT companies (Sun, Lucent).

How does this impact Americans?

Less higher paying jobs for American educated people. More layoffs for American companies. But productivity and price of labor drops.

Is it worth it?

No.

Why do I have a problem with it?

Because I want a job when I get out of College.

Whats my place in American Society?

I m an Indian, born in India, parents came here in after waiting 6 years for a green card. My mom and dad both worked at a newsprinting company lifting bags for a couple of years while my dad went to school during the day. He went to a local community college and worked to become a computer programmer(He did his master's in A.I. while he was in India). Now he makes 100,00+ and my mom now runs her own set of printing presses in the same company.

Living the American Dream?

Yeah, but if we keep getting screwed over for jobs I won't be.

I'm not for immigration laws or quotos, but I am for keeping the American Industry at home so we can have a future.

Three words. Selfish and Arrogant.

quote:Originally posted by Benito Mussolini:

Three words. Selfish and Arrogant.

Thanks musso

quote:Originally posted by onasis:

Thanks musso

Just look. Everything you stated was for your own benefit, and the benefit of other illegal immigrants (not including you, my family came here from italy in 1959, so i agree with immigration).

But the thing is, you don't believe in immigration laws? That's what we need to pound on these days, the difference between the 40% mexican population in california, and our families coming to america is that we are here legally, they aren't. The government doesn't know who they are, but that they take our jobs without paying taxes on the most part.

quote:Originally posted by Benito Mussolini:



But the thing is, you don't believe in immigration laws? That's what we need to pound on these days, the difference between the 40% mexican population in california, and our families coming to america is that we are here legally, they aren't. The government doesn't know who they are, but that they take our jobs without paying taxes on the most part.

Well if they are illegal setting up more restrictive immigration laws won't make them legal or send them back to Mexico. Are you sure they don't pay taxes, I thought any resident of the United States has to pay all taxes... (not including refugees)

I said the REAL benifit were bourgeous. Not all the benifits. Maybe you should read what i say. And dont give me that lower prices are the real benifit bs, because saving ten cents on a can of tuna (or ten dollars on a new computer/part) is not that damn important to me. The real benifits are increased profits for the leaders of said companies.