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Old 2003-04-27, 01:26
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In 1947, President Truman established a group of 12 of the top military

scientific personnel of their time. They were known as MJ-12. Although

the group exists today, none of the original members are still alive.

The last one to die was Gordon Gray, former Secretary of the Army, in

1984. As each member passed away, the group itself appointed a new

member to fill the position. There is some speculation that the group

known as MJ-12 expanded to at least several more members.This group speacalizes in the covering up of u.f.o's,cattle mutilations ect.

On April 30, 1964, the first communication between aliens and the

U.S. Government took place at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. 3

saucers landed at a prearranged area and a meeting was held between the

aliens and intelligence officers of the U.S. Government.

During the period of 1969-1971, MJ-12 representing the U.S. Government

made a deal with these creatures, called EBE's (Extraterrestrial

Biological Entities, named by Detley Bronk, original MJ-12 member and

6th President of Johns Hopkins University). The "deal" was that in

exchange for "technology" that they would provide to us, we agreed to

"ignore" the abductions that were going on and suppress information on

the cattle mutilations. The EBE's assured MJ-12 that the abductions

(usually lasting about 2 hours) were merely the ongoing monitoring of

developing civilizations.

In fact, the purposes for the abductions turned out to be:

(1) The insertion of a 3mm spherical device through

the nasal cavity of the abductee into the brain.

the device is used for the biological monitoring,

tracking, and control of the abductee.

(2) Implementation of Posthypnotic Suggestion to carry

out a specific activity during a specific time period,

the actuation of which will occur within the next

2 to 5 years.

(3) Termination of some people so that they could function

as living sources for biological material and

substances.

(4) Termination of individuals who represent a threat to

the continuation of their activity.

(5) Effect genetic engineering experiments.

(6) Impregnation of human females and early termination of

pregnancies to secure the crossbreed infant.

The U.S. Government was not initially aware of the far reaching

consequences of their "deal". They were led to believe that the

abductions were essentially benign and since they figured the abductions

would probably go on anyway whether they agreed or not, they merely

insisted that a current list of abductees be submitted, on a periodic

basis, to MJ-12 and the National Security Council. Does this sound

incredible? An actual list of abductees sent to the National Security

Council? Read on, because I have news for you.

The EBE's have a genetic disorder in that their digestive system is

atrophied and not functional. Some speculate that they were involved in

some type of accident or nuclear war, or possibly on the back side of

an evolutionary genetic curve. In order to sustain themselves they use

an enzyme or hormonal secretion obtained from the tissue that they

extract from humans and animals. (FACT: Cows and Humans are genetically

similar. In the event of a national disaster, cow's blood can be used

by humans.)

After the initial agreement, Groom Lake, one of this nations most secret

test centers, was closed for a period of about a year, sometime between

about 1972 and 1974, and a huge underground facility was constructed for

and with the help of the EBE's. The "bargained for" technology was set

in place but could only be operated by the EBE's themselves. Needless

to say, the advanced technology could not be used against the EBE's

themselves, even if needed.

During the period between 1979 and 1983 it became increasingly obvious

to MJ-12 that things were not going as planned. It became known that

many more people (in the thousands) were being abducted than were listed

on the official abduction lists. In addition it became obvious that

some, not all, but some of the nation's missing children had been used

for secretions and other parts required by the aliens.

In 1979 there was an altercation of sorts at the Dulce laboratory. A

special armed forces unit was called in to try and free a number of our

people trapped in the facility, who had become aware of what was really

going on. According to one source, 66 of the soldiers were killed and

our people were not freed.

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Old 2003-04-27, 03:46
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by OCCA:

During the period of 1969-1971, MJ-12 representing the U.S. Government

made a deal with these creatures, called EBE's (Extraterrestrial

Biological Entities, named by Detley Bronk, original MJ-12 member and

6th President of Johns Hopkins University).

How about some "Proof"

Think about the chance of aliens ever coming into contact with Earth. They would probably need a way to travel faster than light, or take a shortcut through space. Nope a black hole shortcut isn't an option because the Earth isn't located anywhere near one.

If aliens do come here they wouldn't "strike" up deals with us. Nope they'd probably be considered gods to us, because their technology is so incredibly advanced.

Also I never really got this, but what is the point of mutilating a cow?

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Old 2003-04-27, 12:02
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i heard that story a while ago, a few years ago i would have believed that story because i was a conspiracy nut (i still am), and i'm paranoid to fuck too so that didnt help.

but it wouldnt surprise me if what is said in that story was true.
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Old 2003-04-27, 16:38
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Look up SubAce to my original post
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Old 2003-04-28, 19:22
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I believe it. the Government has been busted for doing other shit too. i believe it was Janet reno who released lots of information about how our Government was spraying chemicals into schoolyard in the San Francisco bay area between mid 1950s and 70s to see its long term effects.

The san francisco bay area has 4 times the cancer rate as any other area in the USA. and there were also tests done on Bay Area soldiers using nuclear material to test their long term effects. many people died from lukimia over the years.

the Majestic 12 story (Which i believe this is) has been floating around since i was a kid in the 1970s. but people today just dont care about UFOs anymore. if you say this shit now its like you're a nutcase and thats just what the Government wants you to think.

By the way. Groom lake is located in Nevada not New mexico just east of death valley and north of vegas. it was closed in 1997 and hasnt reopened since. I heard stories by Bob Lazar that the ALF and anything else related was broken up and shipped off to 3 bases. one of them was Travis Air force base in the san francisco bay area.

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Old 2003-04-28, 22:27
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100% True.
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Old 2003-04-28, 22:41
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I repeat look at my mad logic on the matter.
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Old 2003-05-23, 04:02
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why mutilate a cow, to take samples of its skin and organs, to study and compare with other animals, im pretty sure we do the same kind of stuff.

they struck up a deal with us but have alternative motives im sure, they are just letting us think we have some sort of say. I the deal was that they can abuduct whoever they want, human lives, in exchange for a list of when these abductions will take place, and along with the list primitive technology, that to us is very advanced. our goverment gladly excepts but after a while notices ufo sitings and abductions go on without them knowing, most of them they know about but some are leaked because they can't be everywhere at once. they have a men in black, and i wonder if the movies are there to make a joke out of them, i think the men in black threaten people with information about them that know one else knows. the excuse is national security but what they do is wrong we all have a right to know. we dabble with life in experiments, we could have life growing in a petri dish, thats what we are to them. they need to study us. that is why they come here. also we are learning about nuclear and hydrogen bombs and space travel, that catches thier eye. i think the aliens that we all have a mental images of, exists, (greyling i believe), but they are enslaved by far more hideouos reptilian alien race

i know its all far fetched it just seems to make sense to me. makes more sense then religions.
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Old 2003-05-23, 14:58
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The mere fact that you were able to post this information here is because it is false. If the information you posted here were true, why would an all-powerful organization (with the help of aliens, you said) allow you to uncover their secret and then post it on a public forum?
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Old 2003-05-23, 17:38
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because most of the stuf he finds like on imesh and shit like that he just copys and pastes it on here i know cos i know occa
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Old 2003-05-24, 04:43
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article was put out in '87

i read it sumwhere but proably is sorta true
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Old 2003-05-26, 03:54
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Don't count on it...

...being true, I mean... (http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-05/majestic-12.html)

FoxLeonard
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Old 2003-05-31, 21:52
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Approximately fifty years ago

under the direction of President Harry Truman

and in the interest of national security

A group of twelve top military scientific personnel were established

This group's primary objective

was to desensitize us to the truth

And to suppress the material evidence that our planet is being visited

by a group of extraterrestrial biological entities called the grays



Sometimes the road to the truth is,

so elusive it's confusin

And reality becomes illusion

If I showed the masses where we was at

or where we was goin

I'd shatter the social balance of the world as we know it

I'm talkin bout the grand deception,

of 1947

When our souls were sold to the heavens

for technologically advanced weapons

Crystal enhanced, brain implants,

and mind control methods

MJ-12 is not majestic

And the focal point of our problems on this planet are not domestic

You can accept it or be stupid

and be a skeptic

and fail to recognize

the secret society's deathwish

Ninety-seven percent of our Presidents were Masons

Responsible for launderin trillions of dollars from the nation

for the construction of underground military installations

Abductions and cattle mutilations

Experiments on human patients

can take place in several subterranean bases

A hundred and fifty stories below a basement

With knowledge of genetic information,

you need to fear science not Satan

Cause through the manipulation

of certain biological agents

they create strange creations

Top secret special operations

Low frequency sounds and lasers,

people like Carl Sagan

that didn't believe in the Drake equation

were tryin to keep Western civilization

on the need-to-know basis

Well you need to know that this is a game

and we're bein betrayed and played in the worst way



the holy script from Genesis 1-26

says, "Let us make man in our image under our likeness"

First of all who's THEY?

You see if God

was truly a single entity that's not what he would say

We as the Elohim, Gods and Goddesses

posess a marvelously monsterous subconscious

Lifeforms that speak,

in very high pitched sounds and squeaks

Short staccato clicks and beeps

A highly advanced form of speech

Even though to us it seems like they only chatterin they teeth

They used to swim deep in the oceans beneath

Til they fins transformed into limbs

and they started to creep

Then they evolved into mammals with feet

And walked right from

the shorelines onto the beach

They used gravity,

cause it's actually the only force around

that could slow time

and the speed of light down

The energy grid network,

opened the gateway from Earth

to any point in the universe

Livin organisms and

various geomagnetic gravitational,

anomaly areas

Space expedition teams in the lunar regions

reported seein,

decapyramids and tetrahedrons

Liquid filled shoes,

is what they used

to walk across the moon without leavin a clue

of where they been for

the past twenty-three billion years

Before life on the surface even appeared

I hope you become aware

what I'm spittin in your ear

was intended to stimulate

your left-brain's hemisphere

I know it sounds weird,

all these motherfuckin answers

and questions to the grand deception

--Canibus
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Old 2003-06-06, 01:50
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quote:Originally posted by Third_Rail:

The mere fact that you were able to post this information here is because it is false. If the information you posted here were true, why would an all-powerful organization (with the help of aliens, you said) allow you to uncover their secret and then post it on a public forum?

exactly, nothing we hear/know is true, its all just some more crap that is told to us to take us even further away from the truth, even though we think we are getting closer to it, its conspiracy upon conspiracy.
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Old 2003-06-06, 22:17
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if that document were true why would the government put effort into this one.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/brooking.html
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Old 2003-06-09, 21:37
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quote:Originally posted by Third_Rail:

The mere fact that you were able to post this information here is because it is false. If the information you posted here were true, why would an all-powerful organization (with the help of aliens, you said) allow you to uncover their secret and then post it on a public forum?

Well maybe not everyone went along with it, a few people coulda quit thier jobs and leaked information. i know even if it would endanger my life, if i got a job high up in the goverment, i would write books and tell everyone i know what i can, i wouldn't be able to die with the guilt of knowing and not telling anyone.
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Old 2003-06-09, 21:46
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quote:Originally posted by James:

I repeat look at my mad logic on the matter.

If they taught it in history class would you believe it? when i sit in history i always have the feeling that its censored, that if it is the truth it isn't the whole truth. they (the secret goverment) gather all the evidence, the proof, so that there is no proof, the proof is a text file by somone, you are lucky if you see proof and if you do then you would start writing a text file also, you act exactly how are goverment wants you to think



[This message has been edited by Kendjo (edited 06-09-2003).]
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Old 2003-06-09, 21:55
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quote:Originally posted by FoxLeonard:

Don't count on it...

...being true, I mean... (http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-05/majestic-12.html)

FoxLeonard

so they put out purposly false documents to make the entire conspiracy seem untrue, a covenant with death by william cooper on the this just in page talks about these false leads, im starting to not care if people dont' believe it, it makes more sense not to believe it

ps im sorry for posting so much
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Old 2003-06-10, 00:18
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no they put out entirely false documents to make the conspiracy SEEM true, to those like dale gribble.
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Old 2003-06-10, 02:49
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quote:Originally posted by Kendjo:

[B] so they put out purposly false documents to make the entire conspiracy seem untrue,

Kendjo!

You have just made a seemingly irrefutable statement, and a very common one in conspiranoid circles, as you might (not) know.

Perhaps you have some further proof for your claims, and it could be hidden in the quote below:

quote:a covenant with death by william cooper on the this just in page talks about these false leads

Unfortunately it makes little or no sense to me. Perhaps because English is not my first language. Thus I would like you to clarify...

quote:it makes more sense not to believe it

Apparently not to you (among others). Why?

quote:Originally posted by Kendjo:

If they taught it in history class would you believe it? when i sit in history i always have the feeling that its censored, that if it is the truth it isn't the whole truth. they (the secret goverment) gather all the evidence, the proof, so that there is no proof, the proof is a text file by somone, you are lucky if you see proof and if you do then you would start writing a text file also, you act exactly how are goverment wants you to think

Have you ever considered to be as sceptical to those who made the claims about the MJ12 conspiracy?

If not, why?

quote:ps im sorry for posting so much

Well, this is, after all, a message board, and you are posting messages, as part of an ongoing discussion...an ongoing something, in any case...

FoxLeonard - a sceptical sceptic

[This message has been edited by FoxLeonard (edited 06-10-2003).]
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Old 2003-06-18, 09:39
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what if things are even worse? if "they" want us to believe in such stories to hide the truth? what i those stories are the truth and they double cross us by telling the truth which is so unbelievable that we lock up the ones who believe that............. yes im a paranoid
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Old 2003-06-18, 22:42
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all im saying is ive read mostly everything in fringe, and its believable, makes more sense then religion.
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Old 2003-06-19, 11:02
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and all i want to say is: maybe thats the plot right there. make people BELIEVE in something as religion is running out- note im not relegious at all and maybe im even more paranoid than the rest in here but i fear its all fake either way and the truth is so strange that "they" even let us have conspiracy theories just to keep us quite.
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Old 2003-06-21, 19:31
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Posts are supposed to support the title of the topic correct? So how will MJ-12 be the death of us all, If creatures were so advanced and were able to jump through to our world, Couldn't they just solve there problem without praying on another speicies? and if i was a member of the MJ-12, I would ask them, where do they live, and are there any other creatures beside Humans that they test on, or know about
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Old 2003-06-27, 06:18
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hell if u dumbasses are talking about how we got stealth tech. then u dont know a damn thing. We stole the tech. from the nazis end of story and the rest of thats bullshit. Why would ETs be looking for us
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Old 2003-06-28, 01:31
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i watch it on a&e sci fi and history. programs and people that agree with my way of thinking. we tag fish and we tag animals and we somtimes do cruel experiments on them for our benifet, thats why the aliens fuck with us. they tag us by sticking things in our heads. i really think all movies fictionlize the truth.
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Old 2003-06-28, 02:55
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*installs Deus Ex*
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Old 2003-06-30, 12:37
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http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/mj12.html

got this off a google search

i've been hearing about mj-12 for much too long now.

here's a tip:

search for "the greys were/(are ?) sterile"

see what comes up
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Old 2003-07-01, 20:55
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hey..i just woke up so im too lazy to check my sources, but from what i remember reading mj-12 was just one of a countless number of government funded agencies in an elaborate disinformational campaign, designed to take care of the shit UFO reports and come up with a way to disprove them to the public so that they could spend their time and money on the more useful stories. i also saw that story about EBE and making a deal with the aliens, but it was a slightly different form and was also part of the disinfo. campaign. if i think of it ill look it up later and get back to u
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Old 2003-07-01, 23:05
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I say we just embrace our ignorance on the subject. I mean, I don't think we'll ever get the full story of anything anymore, so why don't we just deal with it? It seems like a good idea to just live our lives how it is and not have to worry about all these dark conspiracies dealing with UFO's, secret government agencies to keep us from the truth and all this nonsense. But that's only my opinion on the matter, seeing as how I'm not a big conspiracy buff.
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Old 2003-07-04, 06:26
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I think its bullshit that the government would censore a post that depicts what is realy happening. I mean do you think the government woud have the resources to monitor every single web page.

Anyway m12 does exist, what there purpose is i dont know exactly

You can find conspiracy theories on the web and so called evidence that Adolf hitler lives underneath the surface of antartica.

THe truth about who realy runs things and what is realy happening is lost among so much missinformation.

Remember Alien abductions and such, has become A large industry that pulls in millions of dollars , and makes many people rich, There are so many lyers in this world that it is a shame for genuine abducties who get ridiculed and laughed at,

Someone mentioned the nazis in an earlyer post , in actuall fact the NAZA programme is a continuation of hitlers rocketry and weapons programme, after ww2 many nazi scientists were taken to the US to continue there work,And thus NAZA is born.
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Old 2003-07-04, 13:31
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I hate to do this to a fellow conspirator but you have to attempt to get the facts straight..

"(FACT: Cows and Humans are genetically

Similar. In the event of a national disaster, cow's blood can be used

by humans.)"

Actually cow's blood can not be used in humans. Not even close. If it could the military would use it in combat. In the event of a national disaster the emergency people would give a lot of IV's using LR and rely on quick evacuation.

"After the initial agreement, Groom Lake, one of this nations most secret

test centers, was closed for a period of about a year, sometime between

about 1972 and 1974,"

Groom Lake or Area51 was opened in the summer of 1955 and has never closed a day since.

"In 1979 there was an altercation of sorts at the Dulce laboratory. A

special armed forces unit was called in to try and free a number of our

people trapped in the facility, who had become aware of what was really

going on. According to one source, 66 of the soldiers were killed and

our people were not freed."

I can not necessarily dismiss this one but I was Green Beret or Special Forces soldier and I never heard mention of any domestic incident in 1979 and we did attend lectures and classes on that sort of thingÂ…

I personally think they would use CIA agents for something like that anyway.
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Old 2003-07-04, 16:56
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hey clayman..outta curiosity, where did u learn that you cant use cows blood in humans? cuz from what ive gathered you can, but it has to be purified or somethin like that and it can only be done to a person once..now im curious
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Old 2003-07-04, 20:18
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Cows blood contains toxins that the human kidneys refuse which causes a infection which breaks down the blood already present.

The use of cows blood was attempted in the Vietnam War and without any success.

I read it in a book while study combat medicine at Ft Sam Houston in Texas during my medical training in the Army.

They also attempted to use man made fluids none of which worked. The nearest they ever got was Lactated Ringers D5W which they still use today in tramua situations.
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