This is a subject I know nothing about.

I was just thinking, and, couldn't someone with an ATM card and account like...trick/hack the machine so you could get more money, but not have it taken from your account? Is that possible (I assume it is), and if so, can it be done conspiciously?

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Yes, it *is* possible. But you need some extreme skills in the areas of social engineering and computer science. I don't know exactly how, but there is a way.

On another note, if your caught doing this there are some SERIOUS charges coming your way.

Anything is possible, however the chances of you or anyone accomplishing this is slim and none. I wouldnt mess with ATM machines if I were you...

I haven't talked to anyone on this site that has "the skills to pay the bills" on the subject of ATMs.

Much easier to commit fraud than plain out hack ATM's. The only person I know who had the ability, is now in jail. Not much help now is he?

It isn't too hard to suppress the alarm and then burglarize them... but emulating transactions runs into the problem of super scary high level encryption.

I'm not talking about actually breaking to the machine. I'm talking about taking a legal account, accessing the machine, and then, using some method to confuse the machine into giving you more money (but not taking it out of your account). Like, maybe you could trick it into giving you 40 when you ask for 20.

say you get $100 at the ATM. the machine will stick out 5 20's in its little clamp thingie that holds the money. on old machines, if you pulled out the middle 3 bills only and let the machine eventually pull the money back in, it wouldnt count as a transaction. but i know that doesnt work on newer machines.

No, but just to let you know disclaimers are worthless, especially ones not written by a lawyer. Just keep all your post in forms of "some guy I know" or "would it be possible", and you should be fine.

Perhaps..

Implanting a trojan on an atm card and activating from somewhere else leaves you with access to the atm. However to get caught would result in serious punishment. I havent tested my theory but im almost positive it would work with a card programmer which you can buy from a multidtude of sites and with a little programming...maybe but you would have to be a crazy motherfucker to try it

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Okay, here's a way to get a good amount of cash out of an ATM. Make sure that you have more than twice the maximum amount you can withdraw in one day in your account. At almost midnight, dress up in all black, wear a mask or a hat, whatever. You want to look suspicious, and you don't want to look like you. Platform shoes might come in handy, you could wear a hat with fake hair coming out, et cetera. At almost midnight, withdraw the maximum amount. Then, right after midnight, do it again, because it's a whole new day. At most banks I've seen, 300-500 is the maximum amount, so you'll have 600-1,000 bucks on you. Anyway, the next day, call the bank and say your wallet went missing, and it had your ATM card, credit cards, et cetera in it. They'll probably ask you if you had your PIN written down on a piece of paper in your wallet or anything, say "Y'know, I might have written it down." Anyway, they'll do a lame, half-assed "investigation," and credit your account back the amount that was lost. Nifty, huh?

Note that the above is highly theoretical, I don't know of anyone who's done it.

I thought you'd have to complain to the police first. Then tell the bank.

[This message has been edited by Tokolosh (edited 08-21-2003).]