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Old 2003-07-18, 00:09
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THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF HOTELS

BY: DIzzIE [c]opyleft 2003

This text will outline some of the basic ‘scams’ that can be perpetrated inside a hotel.

Obviously, as each hotel is different it is not to be expected that all scams discussed here will work at the particular hotel you select; however, it is a safe bet to say that at least some will.

Food

*Let’s start off with what is perhaps the most renowned hotel scam: free breakfast. A nearly universal policy, free breakfast is usually offered around the hours of 7am to 10am. It is usually offered in the downstairs hotel restaurant and should be easy to locate by the smell, the flow of the people, or simply asking the hotel staff. When attending the free breakfast it is best to arrive early thus getting the best food. When entering the breakfast area, or even passing through the lobby, it is to your advantage to come out of the residential area. In other words, to avoid raising even a minimal amount of suspicion, you should emerge from the elevator, the stairs, or from down the hall, not from the front door of the hotel. To do this, you will have to enter through a side entrance, or if there is no other gateway other than the front door, walk in through the front door and then proceed to go up the elevator, only to come down a few minutes later.

Once you are in the breakfast area, the breakfast will most likely be a buffet (however, as we shall see later, if it is not, this posses no added difficulty at all). Depending on the hotel, you may or may not be asked your room number, or you may be asked to present a meal certificate (in this case, simply say you never received one and volunteer your room number). After you finish eating breakfast, stow away as much food as you can in your handbag for later consumption.

*The nice thing about hotels is that literally anything can simply be charged to your room account. Any verification is virtually nonexistent, and hence you are free to rattle away a random (yet an existing) room number. Thus, if you would also like to stay for dinner at the hotel restaurant, buy a few drinks at the bar, or enjoy a refreshing snack brought to you whilst you are lounging in a chair in front of the water, simply utter the delightful phrase ‘oh I don’t have my wallet with me, can you just put it on my bill, my room number is…’ If you are uneasy about using such a blunt approach, you can let the power of suggestion work for you, by revising the above statement to say: ‘oh damn, I think I left my wallet in my room…’ in which case the waiter himself will make the recommendation: ‘well, if I can just have your room number I can charge the bill to your account.’ If you wish to take yet another precautionary step, walk through the halls and spot any door that has a ‘do not disturb’ tag on it; a sure sign that the room is in fact inhabited, and thus that the account is existent (although this level of precaution is not necessary, as you are typically asked for your room number after the meal, by which time you will be saying ‘add it to my bill, room number…’ as you are getting up to leave)

*If you prefer to eat alone, and obtain a moderately nice set of silverware/dinnerware, simply order food to be brought up to ‘your’ room (commonly known as ‘room service’). To achieve this, proceed to a local phone, most likely located in the lobby. Dial the correct extension (by looking through the hotel directory which should be near the phone, or asking the front desk for one) to the room service, and ask for the meal of your choice to be brought to the room of your choice. Ideally, a room should be chosen from which you just saw people leave, yet any room can be given. Next, proceed to stand near the door you specified, and when you see the server hand him a tip to put you in his good graces, place a finger to your mouth and say ‘my wife/husband is sleeping, I’ll take it from here, thanks a lot.’ As the server turns around to leave, stand facing the door, pretending to fumble for your key until the server is out of sight. Alternatively, if you do not wish to stand by the door, when placing your order for room service, say that you will stop by yourself to pick up the food, once again giving the sleeping spouse excuse if you wish.

Leisure

Hotels are great places to simply sit back and enjoy the comforts of life in a pleasant 73 degree controlled environment. Sitting in the lobby/lounge area watching the big screen television or reading the morning paper is a nice, relaxing way to spend the morning. But why stop there, feel free to fully utilize all the facilities the hotel has. Take a swim in the pool (‘forgetting’ to return the towel), or go explore the game room, exercise room, the massage parlor/sauna and so forth. Walk over to the business center and use the computers (if prompted with a screen asking to input room number or credit card number, either input an existing room number, or a rogue credit card number, obtained by shoulder surfing at the front desk or behind a restaurant server inputting the card information at the register).

Miscellaneous Theft

Well, spending a day or two laying back in the hotel was fun, but you might want something to remember your visit by. Aside from the aforementioned techniques of acquiring towels/dinnerware, here are a few more ideas.

*Many hotels have moderately priced accessories such as min-statues and vases sitting around the vicinity, usually decorating tables in the lobby/lounge area. When the front desk is preoccupied, or when no one seems to be paying any attention, simply walk by your target with a handful of shopping bags, and give a slight tug on the desired ornament, letting it innocently fall into one of your bags.

*If it is a beachfront (or even a pool front) hotel, chances are high that many patrons will naively leave their valuables lying on their stretchers as they go for a cool dip in the water. Taking advantage of the rowdy atmosphere, with a towel hanging over your arm, feel free to help yourself to a desired handbag.

*Needless to say, if you spot a typical supply cart the hotel maids push around, stop by and ask for a fresh supply of soap, shampoo, sewing kits, towels, and bathrobes. Or you may walk directly to the supply room, where if no one is around, you can help yourself.

*If the hotel business center (fax machine, printer, computer, etc.) is not located in a too-public area, place the hardware apparatus of your choice into a suitcase, and indiscriminately leave the vicinity).

*Perhaps the riskiest ploy actually involves going into a room. The first thing that you must do is make sure the room is empty. This can be done by spotting a room with a ‘maid service please’ tag on the door, or by seeing people leave a room. Next, proceed to the front desk with a standard sob story: ‘I think I left my key inside my room! Can you please give me a key to room …, I’ll bring it right back.’ Depending on the hotel you may simply be given the key without any identity verification (though you may be asked to pay a small fine, in which case you may pay the fine or give the wallet excuse, mentioned below), or you may be asked to present some identification. In this case, proceed to explain how you left your wallet, which, in fact, has the key in it as well, in your room (‘I’ll bring it right back..’). If you are asked to give your name/address as verification, you can say ‘we just moved, I really don’t remember it yet’ although at this point it is suggested you try a different hotel.

One last side note: Some hotels have a rarely used ballroom/private restaurant area/etc. Such areas are surprisingly nice for the occasional sleepover

Finally, remember to keep an eye out for cameras, employees, and nosy guests. And by all means, don’t stick around the hotel after you have made a theft.



Enjoy!



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Standard Disclaimer: It is understood that the above is written for educational/informational/theoretical/entertainment purpose only. The poster does not accept any responsibility for any actions you may take and does not condone any activity which goes against the law.

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Old 2003-07-18, 00:35
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Great thoughts. Any ideas on room safes? I was thinking just ask for the key as it was locked inside by your son who lives in the same city with your ex wife.

Though I don't think they would just give out keys/combinations/reset codes that easily.
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Old 2003-07-18, 00:45
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scuzzy i dont think they would, but worth a shot
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Old 2003-07-18, 01:42
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actually, most hotels do give you keys if you ask.

once i was in a fairly ritzy hotel(i was actually staying there for the weekend) & a friend of mine had a room in the adjacent building. He didnt know i was there & i was going to go in his room to suorise him when he got back. I needed a key obviously so i went to the front desk & asked for a key and the gave it to me with out a question.
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Old 2003-07-18, 03:00
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Another interesting tidbit I forgot to add: When you see a maid cart, look for any key cards laying around. They are likely the master cards to any room, thus allowing you to forego haggling with the receptionist.
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Old 2003-07-18, 03:19
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by scuzzy-elo:

Great thoughts. Any ideas on room safes? I was thinking just ask for the key as it was locked inside by your son who lives in the same city with your ex wife.

Though I don't think they would just give out keys/combinations/reset codes that easily.


Regarding room safes:

If it is a keypad safe, such as this one:

http://www.hotelsafes.net/g500a.jpg

You have two choices.

1) If you feel fairly confident the room occupants will not be back, call the front desk, and state that you have forgotten your combination. An employee with the key override card will come, as you let him into 'your' room, and for a sufficient fee (once again, 'add it to my bill, please'), he will open the safe.

2) If the aforementioned option does not appeal to you, and you have even more time, you may try to brute force the combination yourself. If the combination has been set fairly recently, obtain a pencil, shave down the graphite stem into a fine powder, and gently blow the powder onto the keypad. The powder will stick to the oily imprints made on the keypad, thus giving you the numbers used in the combination. From there it is only a matter of trying all the possible combinations (for example, if the graphite settles on 4 digits you will have 24 possibilities, etc...)

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Old 2003-07-18, 04:47
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actually get a room for a night and say you lost the key or card when you check out. wait a week or so. come back and check out the room. ive done it but the room was empty.
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Old 2003-07-18, 04:50
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Key cards get deactivated. What would be useful is an actual key.
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Old 2003-07-18, 04:52
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a few years ago I stayed in a hotel once and never returned the key, I have been back there several times to party with friends, I just have to be careful upon first entering the room to make sure its empty, everytime I did this it was always empty, I stole the tv 2 times also, but I since lost the key.
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Old 2003-07-18, 05:13
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Another hotel scam that was prevalent in the late 90s:

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Scam artists are calling hotel guests in their rooms late at night, saying they are members of the hotel staff. They are asking guests for their credit card numbers. Those guests unwary enough to fall for the trick soon find charges on their credit card billing statement for purchases they never made.
( http://www.bbb.org/alerts/hotelscam.asp )
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Old 2003-07-18, 18:50
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quote:Originally posted by dDIzzIEe:

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2) If the aforementioned option does not appeal to you, and you have even more time, you may try to brute force the combination yourself. If the combination has been set fairly recently, obtain a pencil, shave down the graphite stem into a fine powder, and gently blow the powder onto the keypad. The powder will stick to the oily imprints made on the keypad, thus giving you the numbers used in the combination. From there it is only a matter of trying all the possible combinations (for example, if the graphite settles on 4 digits you will have 24 possibilities, etc...)

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Heh, someone saw a certain episode of Macgyver
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Old 2003-07-18, 19:14
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this is an awesome thread great work dDIzzIEe!
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Old 2003-07-18, 21:18
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for safe codes use a room for a night so you can get the code

set the fire alarm off when someone else is usin this room. this means they run out the building and wait for the fire department to come, buying you time. use the safe code and there you go
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quote:Originally posted by keykey:

for safe codes use a room for a night so you can get the code

set the fire alarm off when someone else is usin this room. this means they run out the building and wait for the fire department to come, buying you time. use the safe code and there you go

When someone else uses the room, the safe code will have been reset after you're gone.
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Old 2003-07-19, 02:27
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Hotel dumpsters are also great to peek into....At a hotel in my town, they throw away paper trash separately from reg. trash.......and in that paper trash are pages and pages of reservation forms, which include CC#'s, exp. dates, billing addys, phone number, etc.....I found almost 300 last month just from one visit!

It boggled my mind that all that worthwhile info was just thrown away

--KBS
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Old 2003-07-19, 20:12
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I've never tried this but I don't see why it wouldn't work. Look through the halls untill you find one of those maid carts sitting outside a room door. Usually, the residents are out, and the maid came after they left. Also, maids like to keep doors open to easilly access their supply cart. Simply walk right in the room and give the maid a friendly "hello" "Oh, don't worry, I'm just in for a second, don't leave." Look around for key cards on bed side tables or stuck picture frames (that's where I always stick mine..) If no card is in plain sight, look for cameras or lap tops or whatever. Or just grab the suit case and say something like "Could I get another pillow? My neck is really killing me, thanks, take care" as you leave.

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Old 2003-07-23, 02:30
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Brute force??? Hah! That's always a last, and I mean last resort. Even if you knew the 4 numbers, that leaves you with 10,000 (not 24) different combinations. Let's say each one takes 5 seconds to input. Well, heh...

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quote:Originally posted by Pinball Wizard:

Brute force??? Hah! That's always a last, and I mean last resort. Even if you knew the 4 numbers, that leaves you with 10,000 (not 24) different combinations. Let's say each one takes 5 seconds to input. Well, heh...

[This message has been edited by Pinball Wizard (edited 07-23-2003).]

A note about your calculations.

Using the method I suggested (dusting graphite onto the keys) and assuming you get prints on four number keys, that would mean there are four distinct numbers. Assuming that the length of the combination is just 4 digits (a standard, textbook length) then you know that the numbers do not repeat (as there are four keys pressed, and assuming no key was pressed in error, and the combination is 4 digits) then each number can be used only once. Thus, to find the total of number combinations we do (# of digits)!, or 4!, which is 4*3*2*1, or 24.

The original number you mentioned, 256, or 4^4, would be correct if the numbers repeated, which as I stated above, assuming it is a 4 digit combination, is impossible.

Your latest figure of 10,000 is also incorrect, 10,000 combinations of 4 non-repeating digits?

Finally, the time it takes you to input a 4 digit combination, followed by the equivalent of an enter key, and if the combination is incorrect, perhaps a 'clear' key, will only take 1-2 seconds. Thus, to try 24 different combinations, would take under a minute (48 seconds at most).
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Old 2003-07-23, 05:15
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quote:Originally posted by Phlab:

Heh, someone saw a certain episode of Macgyver



Yes, indeed

The particular episode was #049, "Fire and Ice", airing in the 3rd season.

A list of Macgyverisms can be found on this site: http://www.uplinktech.net/macgyver/faq/part4.html

There is also an illustrated guide someplace, but I am unable to locate that particular website at the moment.
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Old 2003-07-23, 06:15
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Um... my first number was a miscalculation.

There are 10 possible 'moves' for each space. You have the numbers 0-9 (which are ten different numbers).

10^4

I can prove you wrong very quickly. Here, let me take 10 seconds and do so.

0000

0001

0002

0003

0004

0005

0006

0007

0008

0009

0010

0011

0012

0013

0014

0015

0016

0017

0018

0019

0020

0021

0022

0023

0024

0025

There, that's over 24 combinations and I haven't even scratched the surface of possibilities.
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Old 2003-07-23, 06:25
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quote:Originally posted by Pinball Wizard:

Um... my first number was a miscalculation.

There are 10 possible 'moves' for each space. You have the numbers 0-9 (which are ten different numbers).

10^4

I can prove you wrong very quickly. Here, let me take 10 seconds and do so.

0000

0001

0002

0003

0004

0005

0006

0007

0008

0009

0010

0011

0012

0013

0014

0015

0016

0017

0018

0019

0020

0021

0022

0023

0024

0025

There, that's over 24 combinations and I haven't even scratched the surface of possibilities.

Yes, that is, of course, true if you have ten digits (ie. you are sweeping the entire keypad), as you said, and the digits can repeat. However, in the example I stated (wherein you lightly blow graphite onto the keypad) there are only 4 possible digits, which do not repeat, thus 4!.

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Here are all the possible combinations for 1234:

1234

1243

1324

1342

1423

1432

2341

2314

2431

2413

2134

2143

3412

3421

3241

3214

3124

3142

4123

4132

4231

4213

4321

4312

Thats 24 codes.
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Old 2003-07-23, 10:13
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I don't think they make any keypads with 4 digits that can not repeat.
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Old 2003-07-23, 17:34
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quote:Originally posted by Pinball Wizard:

I don't think they make any keypads with 4 digits that can not repeat.

Hm..lets think about this a bit deeper eh?

As dDIzzIEe illustrated, when you blow onto the keypad with 10 buttons, the graphite will stick to only four buttons (or less).

scuzzy-elo used the illustration with four numbers and came out with 24 different combinations.

If you blew on the keypad and got four numbers, scuzzy-elo's number chart would be correct.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, the numbers highlighted by the graphite may only be three but the same chart would apply and you would end up with 24 different combinations as there would still be 4 numbers but only 3 different ones. One would repeat but it would still be four numbers with 24 combinations.

-reckless
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Old 2003-07-23, 18:11
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quote:*If you prefer to eat alone, and obtain a moderately nice set of silverware/dinnerware, simply order food to be brought up to ‘your’ room (commonly known as ‘room service’). To achieve this, proceed to a local phone, most likely located in the lobby. Dial the correct extension (by looking through the hotel directory which should be near the phone, or asking the front desk for one) to the room service, and ask for the meal of your choice to be brought to the room of your choice. Ideally, a room should be chosen from which you just saw people leave, yet any room can be given.

This won't work. The people at the front desk can tell where you are calling from. I was recently in a hotel, and I had to ask for a microwave so I could dry my blunts, then about 3 mintues later, a microwave was at my door and I never told them my room number.
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Old 2003-07-23, 20:28
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quote:Originally posted by pontiac_bandit78:

a few years ago I stayed in a hotel once and never returned the key, I have been back there several times to party with friends, I just have to be careful upon first entering the room to make sure its empty, everytime I did this it was always empty, I stole the tv 2 times also, but I since lost the key.

so i take it you live in the Ghetto? (your screen name gave it away)
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Old 2003-07-23, 22:59
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quote:Originally posted by Pinball Wizard:

I don't think they make any keypads with 4 digits that can not repeat.

Allow me to explain one more time.

Assumed Procedure in identifying digits (the ‘code’) inputted using a numerical keypad.

1. Your first view of the keypad will usually yield no information regarding the code (aside from any obvious stray marks, such as fresh slivers of nail polish, jelly, etc.) Thus the ‘fresh’ keypad will resemble the one in Figure 1 (below).

http://dizzie.serein.us/fig1.jpg (http://dizzie.serein.us/fig1.jpg)

2. The blunt choice would be to test all the digits; all the possible combinations, in an attempt to brute force the code. If the code length is not known beforehand (perhaps by researching the manual/website of the manufacturer and finding the maximum possible key length, or by social engineering said code length), then the attempt at brute forcing the combination must simply be aborted due to the fact that the number of possible combinations stretches out to infinity (10^(key length)).

3. Thus, what one must attempt to do is to attempt to significantly lower the number of possibilities by attempting to identify which digits have been used, and which haven’t.

4. This can be accomplished by ‘dusting’ for fingerprints using a standard fingerprint identification kit, or the more available pencil method.

5. Obtain a standard sharpened pencil and with a knife proceed to scrape the graphite (unto a napkin or sheet of paper) until a sizable powdered pile has been scraped.

6. Take the napkin with the powdered graphite up to the keypad; gently blow the powdered graphite in the direction of the keypad.

7. Assuming that the target inputted the code recently, and that the fingers were relatively oily/moist, the powdered graphite will stick to the keys that the target pressed.

8. For this example, let us say that the graphite stuck to four number keys (Figure 2).

http://dizzie.serein.us/fig2.jpg (http://dizzie.serein.us/fig2.jpg)

9. Now we must make a series of assumptions:

*The digits in the combination are unique; in other words sets which have repeating digits such as 36698 are nonexistent.

*Each key was pressed only once; in other words the length of the code is determined by the number of keys identified by the graphite

*The keypad has not been sabotaged; in other words the target did not purposefully attempt to mislead the brute forcer by falsifying the keys that were pressed.

10. Given the above assumptions, and the fact that our graphite adhered to four keys, the number of possible key combinations is determined by (key length)!, or 4! (24).

11. It will take 1-2seconds to input a single combination, hit the Enter key, and, if incorrect, the Clear key. Thus, 24 combinations will take 48 seconds.

12. Chances are that the target selected a simple combination, such as going down a column and one over, or perhaps across…

13. Obviously the three assumptions allow quite a ‘leap of faith’ and are by no means foolproof. Thus if the shortest possible amount of combinations (24) does not succeed in opening the safe (nonetheless it was worth a try), we are back to square one, for without knowing the key length, and having tried the 24 non-repeating four digit combinations, we are led to believe that in those four identified numbers there were in fact repeats, thus the number of possible combinations would be (number of keys)^(key length), or 4^(key length).

14. At this point it is suggested that an alternative method be attempted, such as looking for a combination on scraps of paper around the safe/room (check behind paintings, behind the safe, in drawers, etc.). Or, attempt to invite a room service attendant into ‘your’ room with the master override keycard, which will open ‘your’ safe.
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Old 2003-07-23, 23:26
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quote:Originally posted by TreyDay:



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*If you prefer to eat alone, and obtain a moderately nice set of silverware/dinnerware, simply order food to be brought up to ‘your’ room (commonly known as ‘room service’). To achieve this, proceed to a local phone, most likely located in the lobby. Dial the correct extension (by looking through the hotel directory which should be near the phone, or asking the front desk for one) to the room service, and ask for the meal of your choice to be brought to the room of your choice. Ideally, a room should be chosen from which you just saw people leave, yet any room can be given.

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This won't work. The people at the front desk can tell where you are calling from. I was recently in a hotel, and I had to ask for a microwave so I could dry my blunts, then about 3 mintues later, a microwave was at my door and I never told them my room number.

If asked why you are not calling from your room (unlikely), simply state you were just coming into the hotel and as such found it more convenient to call from the lobby. Alternatively, you can go to the restaurant itself and room-order your food there.

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Old 2003-07-27, 05:54
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Could someone archive this wonderful thread, please?
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Old 2003-07-27, 06:26
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Yeah. If there was a comedy section, this could go in there, too .

Pinball, man...seriously.
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Old 2003-07-27, 10:02
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What are you all, a bunch of moronic teenagers? You can't just say "charge it to my room" and throw off any number. Don't you kinda think if they ever accepted that, they would get millions of people doing that? You think you can just go to the desk and say "Let me in room 320 and open the safe for me" Nice try, though...
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Old 2003-07-28, 00:35
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quote:Originally posted by cassius85:

What are you all, a bunch of moronic teenagers? You can't just say "charge it to my room" and throw off any number. Don't you kinda think if they ever accepted that, they would get millions of people doing that? You think you can just go to the desk and say "Let me in room 320 and open the safe for me" Nice try, though...

As I believe I stated, depending on the hotel, they may or may not give out a room key without asking for any identification.

Regarding saying 'add it to my bill, room number...' as I also said, this is a common, naturally easily exploitable practice, in many (if not all) hotels.
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Old 2003-07-28, 02:44
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As a former hotel employee, I think any information I can give would be more than valid.

Target a hotel during a nearby convention. Dress like the convention atendees.

When asking for a key to a room, you should know the name on the room. The last name will do.

When scoping for a target (ie: room to get into), simply wait in the lobby. Sit down and read a book. If an employee asks you anything, just tell them you're waiting on the rest of your group. They have no reason to question it, or even care for that matter. When people enter, you simply look up at them. (It's natural behavior, of course). When you see an Armani with Italian shoes walking in (or the guy with the laptop, whatever catches your eye), you have your target. A little shoulder surfing should get you the name and room number. Simply wait until a shift change (and the target room is empty), and ask for a key.

Trunks:

Most people bring suitcases, duffel bags, and the like. Occasionally, you find a guy with a trunk. Thing about trunks is, they're huge. When lined with a few bricks, they feel full.

Enter your target room with said trunk. (Emptied by now, of course). Load 'er up. Pillows, the quilt (sheets even, if you want), TV, lamps, and of course, anything the target room's occupant brought that catches your eye.

This is where you should target a hotel hosting a convention. It's easier to predict when the occupant will leave and return.

Also:

1: The only cameras you'll find in most hotels are by the lobby.

2: The supply room door closes automatically, and locks. Even the small hotels do it.

3: For god's sake, blend in! The kid in the trendy clothes sticks out like a sore thumb among the buisness trip/honeymooning couple/here for son's graduation group that usually frequents hotels.

Ugh, I feel like I've just trained a small army on how to triple hotel rates...
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Old 2003-07-28, 08:13
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quote:Originally posted by Kaymon:

As a former hotel employee, I think any information I can give would be more than valid.

Target a hotel during a nearby convention. Dress like the convention atendees.

When asking for a key to a room, you should know the name on the room. The last name will do.

When scoping for a target (ie: room to get into), simply wait in the lobby. Sit down and read a book. If an employee asks you anything, just tell them you're waiting on the rest of your group. They have no reason to question it, or even care for that matter. When people enter, you simply look up at them. (It's natural behavior, of course). When you see an Armani with Italian shoes walking in (or the guy with the laptop, whatever catches your eye), you have your target. A little shoulder surfing should get you the name and room number. Simply wait until a shift change (and the target room is empty), and ask for a key.

Trunks:

Most people bring suitcases, duffel bags, and the like. Occasionally, you find a guy with a trunk. Thing about trunks is, they're huge. When lined with a few bricks, they feel full.

Enter your target room with said trunk. (Emptied by now, of course). Load 'er up. Pillows, the quilt (sheets even, if you want), TV, lamps, and of course, anything the target room's occupant brought that catches your eye.

This is where you should target a hotel hosting a convention. It's easier to predict when the occupant will leave and return.

Also:

1: The only cameras you'll find in most hotels are by the lobby.

2: The supply room door closes automatically, and locks. Even the small hotels do it.

3: For god's sake, blend in! The kid in the trendy clothes sticks out like a sore thumb among the buisness trip/honeymooning couple/here for son's graduation group that usually frequents hotels.

Ugh, I feel like I've just trained a small army on how to triple hotel rates...

Very insightful, and written in actual English. I love you.

In a purely platonic way, of course.

But seriously, you'll go far here.
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Old 2003-08-09, 16:15
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The thing about the safes... well all hotels I've been to have the safes that don't let you input a code for half an hour after you've entered 3 codes. If you get it wrong 3 times, then this little timer counts down from 30 minutes. If, however, you don't encounter this security measure, well good luck. I've never encountreed one without, though.

As for the archive question, Bad Ideas most ideally falls under the category of 'leisure'. I am still workin on the text file and if Ironz sends me the original heap o' scams that is archived on his computer, then I can work on getting the file up to date, then a link will be posted and archived, rather than filling it up with every well-written scam that comes around.

Well, that's my $0.02

-TX297
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Old 2003-08-10, 02:50
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i work in a hotel and if anyone comes into the restaurant and wants to charge their food to their room we ask to see their key AND get them to sign for it.......
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Old 2003-08-10, 02:53
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also an easy scam would be to dress in black pants, shirt and shoes, and knock on someones door and say that like someones minibar has runout and if their not using theirs, take it.......booyah!!

repeat as nessercery
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Old 2003-08-10, 05:54
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dis may be irrelevant but u know those fridges in ur rooms, wid soft drinks/beers... which u pay double for...

well take upto 2-3 if ur sleeping over just for da night and when ur signing out-and the gurl asks u to pay for it -lie and go 'oh i didnt know u had to pay for that, until i took it out... i didnt drink it, u can check '<-should work, there not gunna send sum1 to check if u drank 3 cans of pop :| ---i did actually did do this once in germany...lol and they never checked..

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Old 2003-08-10, 05:58
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since i worked/lived at 75+ MAJOR 4-star hotels over the past year, i'm gonna put in my 2.



1. about 85% of the maids i've come across nationwide are mexican and speak zero english except to announce "housekeeping" before they come in your room. if you walk into a room while the maid is there, they are totally clueless and won't bother you if you go in to pick up a few things.

2. the front desk knows what room you're in if you call. its like a caller id and sometimes they'll call you by name when they answer the phone. they know if you're on an outside line.

3. some hotels will serve you breakfast no matter what, some ask for a room key card, some will even ask your room number and name. if it were me, i'd scope the receptionist to see what they ask for. if its only a key, you can find key cards laying around everywhere. check a trash bin in the laundry/vending room. greet the receptionist and smile. show your card like you've done it a hundred times.

4. front desk staff will 99.9% of the time either ask you for id or ask your name if you request a new key. they are also the most well trained when it comes to security. if you tell them you left it in the room, they'll have someone escort you. trust me.

so far the best idea i've heard so far is the the interrupting the maid one. what i would do is hang out in the lobby. keep tabs on unoccupied rooms, especially ones with familys staying there since its WAY easier for a businessman to pop in his/her room unexpectedly rather than an entire family (unless you see the person take off for a meeting, luncheon, etc.). if a "do not disturb" sign is on the door, get rid of it. watch the maids, they make their rounds between 9-11AM the majority of the time. hit the room 2 minutes into the cleaning. just like the other poster said, pop-in, "hola, como estas. un momento...just be a sec" and go for the obvious. if you really wanna go all out, tip her. she'll have less objection (if ANY in the first place) of you being there. DO NOT stick around the hotel. one room per hotel. if word gets out that there's a thief on the property you're gonna get nailed.

anyways, good luck and be careful. 420...

:edit: i missed kaymon's post before and just read it. absolutely correct.

[This message has been edited by NOLIJ420 (edited 08-10-2003).]
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Old 2003-08-10, 06:13
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You've worked in 75+ hotels in one year and thats all you've discovered? You did a great job with all that obvious info. Not only that, but it has been covered in this thread more in depth than what you provided.

You're only fooling yourself.

-reckless
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Old 2003-08-10, 07:25
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he said he live/worked in them meaning that he can work in a nice one and live in a cheap one

quote:dis may be irrelevant but u know those fridges in ur rooms, wid soft drinks/beers... which u pay double for...

double? they get profits like ten fold from that

and btw pinball is an idiot in every thread he doesn't know what he's talking about
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Old 2003-08-10, 08:00
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rofl.. pinball

'They don't make keypads with repeating numbers....'

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Old 2003-08-10, 18:34
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quote:Originally posted by reckless:

You're only fooling yourself.

-reckless

...uh, yeah. so tell me this? when was the last time you bothered to put anything at all in a hotel safe. i posted that because i installed internet service in a particular hotel chain for a full year straight and know firsthand the ins and outs of getting in a room and actually coming away with something besides an empty safe and a couple bars of soap. get a clue jackass. 420...

:edit: you're absolutely right massa, the hotel chain i worked for couldn't figure out (75 times) how to comp a room to its contractors so they put us up in a roach coach down the street. i'd LOVE to hear how one of you kidiots got caught trying to crack a safe by analyzing nail polish, dust particles, and ass hairs on the keypad. please do this! be sure to extract some stem cells before you get nailed so we can make an army of morons just like you.

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Old 2003-08-14, 21:58
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So I was thinking of how to obtain room keys to hotel rooms. How about calling people in their rooms and saying something like this,

"Hi, I'm so and so calling from the Marriott customer satisfaction department. We're doing a servey on the quality of your stay to make sure we're bringing you the best possible experience with us. On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate the cleanliness of our rooms? How would you rate the friendliness and helpfulness of our staff? Okay that should be all I need and if you'd like I can enter you in a drawing for a free weekend getaway at our Disney World location with free tickets to the theme park. I'll just need your name, address, and room number...."

Maybe people would give out information like that pretty easily if they thought they could win something.

Then with their name and room number go down to the front desk and ask for a key.
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Old 2003-08-15, 04:34
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quote:Originally posted by XhomeschoolX:

So I was thinking of how to obtain room keys to hotel rooms. How about calling people in their rooms and saying something like this,

"Hi, I'm so and so calling from the Marriott customer satisfaction department. We're doing a servey on the quality of your stay to make sure we're bringing you the best possible experience with us. On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate the cleanliness of our rooms? How would you rate the friendliness and helpfulness of our staff? Okay that should be all I need and if you'd like I can enter you in a drawing for a free weekend getaway at our Disney World location with free tickets to the theme park. I'll just need your name, address, and room number...."

Maybe people would give out information like that pretty easily if they thought they could win something.

Then with their name and room number go down to the front desk and ask for a key.



That might just work. Another thing to add to that is: tell them that only people who completed the survey had this chance, so that they would have a 1 out of 25 chance to win.

You could also try saying something along the lines of, "In order to verify who you are, I am going to say the last four digits of your credit card number, is it 2437?" "Oh, no, Its 4566" "Umm...hmm just to be completely safe I'm going to have to ask you for your complete credit card number, know that I'm not charging anything onto it, I'm just verifying your name." "Oh, yah sure, its xxx-xxxx-xxxx" "Okay , thank you for your time, we will announce the winner tommorow. Thank you for staying at Marriot. Good (time of day)"

I'm sure you can find room numbers and their phone extensions on the websites.

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Old 2003-08-16, 01:00
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quote:"In order to verify who you are, I am going to say the last four digits of your credit card number, is it 2437?" "Oh, no, Its 4566" "Umm...hmm just to be completely safe I'm going to have to ask you for your complete credit card number, know that I'm not charging anything onto it, I'm just verifying your name." "Oh, yah sure, its xxx-xxxx-xxxx" "Okay , thank you for your time, we will announce the winner tommorow. Thank you for staying at Marriot. Good (time of day)"

I'm sure you can find room numbers and their phone extensions on the websites.



Hotel room numbers aren't needed. Just call the front desk and ask to be transferred to room #whatever.

And most people aren't dumb enough to give their full CC# to someone that called them.
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Old 2003-08-20, 01:29
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Also, when staying at more classy hotels, with in room bars the maid will come, usaily on sundays or mondays or fridays morinings to fill them up. When she is in a room filling it up feel free to jack shit from the cart. They usally include card decks, and sometime liquours.
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