Hi, new poster. I've been lurking for several months now, so I thought I'd finally post. The usual "about me" shit:

Male, from New Mexico

I love: firearms; collecting, shooting, and modifying them. I also love MTV's Jackass (because I am a Jackass, I know), and video games, the usual shit.

I hate: wanna-be "individuals" (dressing and acting like everyone else is real fucking individual, ain't it), stupid people, and just about any seafood. I'd list more things I hate, but I don't need to make this any longer.

Turn-ons include Italian women (and allllll they can do), turn-offs include (of course) fat women (I mean FAT - I can handle a few extra pounds. Just a little plushiness is never a bad thing. Moderation, moderation.), all men, and poor hygiene, bad teeth, etc, etc.

Ok, enough about me, I bet you all hate me already :P

As for "Nighttime Ops"; Lately what I've been doing is going outside in the dead of night, clad in dark blue BDU pants and a long-sleeved T-type shirt, same color, and my Magnum Stealth boots. I steal quietly across the yard, and slip over the wall, into whichever neighbor's yard I feel like exploring at the moment. I'll go into garage doors and even go in the house, if opportunity provides. I know it's EXTREMELY stupid, and I expect to get shot someday, but that's beside the point. I don't even steal or disturb anything. Why the hell not, you say? My goal is to infiltrate, and leave no traces. No footprints in the yard, no busted locks, etc. I have a lot of fun, basically, believe it or not, even though I don't do much. Sometimes I'll go into a neighbor's yard, then hop the wall into THEIR neighbor's yard, etc. There's a thrill in exploring the unexplored yards, etc. I plan to expand these ops into business-type complexes around here, the mall, etc. I can also pick locks; I taught myself after buying a good set of picks.

So yeah, those are my (rather pathetic) nighttime ops. I'd love to have a silenced pistol to shoot any dogs with, but like I said, I don't want to leave any traces whatsoever; it's kind of hard to fail to notice a dead dog with three .45 bullet holes in it's chest.

Hmm, I'm done now, comments, flames, etc; welcome. Love the site, and the forums.

-Infrared

PS: To the user "Inphrared" (I think): I didn't intend to rip off your handle, I made this one before I knew you even existed

I guess you are like a hacker of the burglary world. You go in and explore all for the sake of the challange, and have no desire to destroy or take peoples property.

Whereas a burglar is more like a cracker, in that he goes in for the sake of taking or destroying things.

I bought some Night vision goggles off of ebay and when I go on vacation to Wisconsin It is pich dark at night I mean I could not see one thing in the woods on a cloudy night so I would snoop around bussiness's lots and such it kicked ass.

Sorry about the run on sentance but it's 6:12 in the morning and I have not slept.

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Man I'm with you on the hating seafood thing. I can't bring myself to eat ANYTHING from the sea. I't makes me wanna throw up.

Man nightvision goggles kick ass! How much did they cost?

dude I do that to sometimes. Just for the fun of it.

Yeah, that would be pretty fun.

Stick around. We could always use another intelligent poster in Bad ideas.

Indeed, welcome.

hey yeah i totall agree with you i love doing that but it depends where i am working sometimes i wear camo bdu's or i wear al black i have a black backpack that looks hitech and i just go around sneaking through places and leave no trace this may just be because i hope to work for the CIA one day as an undercover operative hints my name NOC non official cover operative. well yeah if you wanna talk about fun things to do sneaking into your school is pretty fun or if you can find open doors behind those business places in just like a little shopping center coffee shops often leave their back doors unlocked dont ask me why but my dad used to own a coffee shop and i would steal his key and go in and then when he sold it i would just run little daytime operations and sneak in the back right before they closed and unlock the back door so i could sneak in in the middle of the night anyways yeah im about to buy a lockpick kit, where did you buy your's? well i just take a paintball pistol with me on operations or a bbgun because i dont own a gun myself my dad owns a walther pp7 but i can't find it anymore because he hid it and im pretty sure he works for the CIA because he is always leaving on all these long trips to DC and in europe and plus he owns the same kind of gun that the CIA issues to their officers and he is fluent in french german russian italian and of course english so yeah im pretty sure he is a spy and plus he is reeeeaaaallllyyyy smart, but yeah whatever so it's cool and tell me if you go on any cool ops and ill tell you about mine and tell me if you have any good ideas for operations and i will also.....that was the longest run on sentence ever man.......cool (http://www.rorta.com)

[This message has been edited by bangbangbooty (edited 05-25-2004).]

Wow.



Much appeal I guess you're getting.



I'm intrested as towards what you do and whatnot. If you're really into just going around places and not taking anything, then email me.



-David.

...what kind of picks do you use?

I wish more people would post messages on this topic because i think it is bad ass.........

Yeah; as I mentioned, I'd been lurking for awhile, and I always read these sorts of topics eagerly. I recall something about a guy who ended up getting his ass handed to him by a neighbor's dog (lol), or something along those lines.

Night Vision? Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that, but I always bring along an El Cheapo NV monocular. It's 1st. generation, etc, but it does pretty much what I need it to. I want some goggles too, but I don't quite have the money (your barest minimum will be around $500) for a good pair. And that's for 1st. generations, expect to pay a lot more for 2nd, 3rd, and if you're Donald Trump/Donald Rumsfeld, 4th.

As for the type of lockpicks I use; I'm not exactly sure, but I ordered them from www.masupply.com (http://www.masupply.com)

It's kind of a dumb site, and a lot of their martial arts weapons are cheaper (Don't expect to find, say, a Cold Steel SRK knife or anything there), but they have lockpicks, so yeah. I bought the 15-piece one; any more is pretty much a waste (for me, at least), unless you plan on breaking into CIA HQ or something.

It's pretty fun to do this, although I'm running out of houses/yards to explore, so I'm planning on expanding my ops to other neighborhoods, or as I mentioned, business complexes, office parks, school campuses, etc. I'm going to have to buy one of those Talon SS suppressed pellet guns ($500..damnit), so I can take out cameras from afar >grin<. Yeah, broken cameras are a trace of infiltration, but it's either that, or just run in front of them. Even if I have a mask on, that's still leaving an even-worse trace of infiltration. Those ops will take some serious planning.

Anyway, thanks for all the replies, and I'll be sticking around for sure, this place rules.

-Infrared

"THERE IS NO REMOTE!!"

-Rocko's Modern Life

Well, you do seem like somebody who knows what they're doing and isn't gonna be a kewl. As for the night ops thing its pretty cool. I broke into my first house like last year, but that was for keeps and i didn't get much. I enjoyed it alot so what I did one time was spy on someone (it was a neighbor that i kinda knew) and i found out that they would be gone for a week so i snuck in and invited a few friends over. All we did was have a few drinks and shit. Anyways, I don't use lockpics. Mostly, at least the places around here theres at least a window or cellar door that has a cheap ass lock on it thats screwed on. So i just bring a screwdriver. Anyways, as far as you staying I bet that you stay for three months and then get tired of it. Anyone else wanna guess how long this guy will stay?

I'll be sticking around, as long as things stay interesting. I first discovered totse in February, and spent some time reading Bad Ideas, then I got into the forums, where I've been reading them daily ever since, so let that be a little guideline. I know, I know - my name was registered in May '03, but I was still hanging around before that. Part of the reason I haven't posted up until now is because my issued password contained a character that didn't work on my keyboard, so I had to live without it for awhile (copy/paste didn't work either - try it)

Now excuse me, I need to go order a grappling hook and some Blue Water assault line

-Infrared

Ahh, the art of infiltration. Sounds fun .

I was just checking out that site, it seems to good to be true. Those prices are too low, which makes me question the integrity of the site. You say you got your lock picks there? How long did it take to get it? and how did you pay?

Ah yes, the wonderful world of urban exploration

You may well be interested in subscribing to a fine zine called Infiltration (http://www.infiltration.org/)

A nice UE forum (though many of the discussions center around Canadian locales), is http://www.uer.ca/forum_showcats.asp?fid=2

quote:Originally posted by nocuous:

I was just checking out that site, it seems to good to be true. Those prices are too low, which makes me question the integrity of the site. You say you got your lock picks there? How long did it take to get it? and how did you pay?

I know; when I first discovered that place, I refused to believe it, and I sent them several "Are you for real?" type emails, etc. They're real alright, and listed with the BBB of Nevada (I think), so I made like a $10 order a few years ago, and I got it pretty fast, and their customer service was good (they usually responded to those mails within a day). I paid by credit card, and the order took maybe a week or so, at least from where they are to where I am. Your mileage may vary though, depending on how close/far you are. It's a good site, but like I said, most of their blades are for display, not for true function. If you just want a good-looking but not really functional sword to hang on your wall or something, they're good, but if you expect to slice trees in half with them, forget it. Other stuff is ok, but not always the BEST quality or anything. The lockpicks were nice, and many other things are too, but you just need to kind of watch it with the blades. For good steel, go to www.mastersofdefense.com (http://www.mastersofdefense.com) or www.coldsteel.com (http://www.coldsteel.com) (I know this was about lockpicks, but hey - I'm a knife person too).

Hope this helps

-Infrared

A friend of a friend had an idea kind of like this not long ago. What you do is you dress up kind of terrorist looking, like really suspicious then you run around town trying not to be seen. Hopefully and eventually someone will call the cops on you and you run from the cops. My friend said it was really fun and he didn't get caught of anything. Kind of stupid but i think it would be fun.

Hey Paintb_noc you kinda got the wrong idea about what a spy does. A spy doesnt go around like James Bond killing people, in his flashy cars and betting thousands on the baccart tables. A spy keeps a low profile and infiltrates his target. He or She want to look ordinary so they wont be suspected by counterintell.

This is what I like to hear!

You don't steal or kill or shit like that!

A BIG pat on the back!

yeah totse rules!

btt: im gonna have to find me some nightvision goggles or infrared ones. Also, how do you teach yourself to lockpick? i can open my bedroom window with a reeeeeeaaalllly retarded piece of hairpin but even that was hard, how do you teach yourself?

(btw i have got a cheapass set of lockpicks and they sort of work - apparently - but i cant open any locks at all with them, the retarded piece of hairpin is the only tool i have that can open a lock)

Cool stuff, but I haven't done any of it. If I wanted to, I could just follow ditches around my neighborhood that have good-sized fields near them and go through someone's fences that way b/c they usually have doors on them. E.g. I could just go through my backyard, into the adjacent field, then anyone's yard on my block very easily. I'm perfectly fine walking for hours on end, so I can go pretty far.

Now, Infared, I don't wanna call you a liar BUT. The minimum order allowance is 20 bucks. How did you order something for $10?

And while were at it. There is no such thing as a Walther PP7. That's the stage name the Bond producers gave to the actual model; the PPK. If you had ever gotten a good look at one you would know that. Or was it just a typo?

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yeah sorry about that i meant to say a PPK but yeah why not work for the CIA whoelse would i work for if i wanted to be a spy i dont want to work for a foreign government. By the way it wasnt a typo i htink i just fucked up and called it that because i had heard it....if i had my choice on a handgun i think i would get a desert eagle, by the way what does nocuous stand for? does it have anything to do with NOC (non official cover op)?????

noc·u·ous

adj.

Harmful; noxious.

[From Latin nocuus, from nocre, to harm. Seenek-1 in Indo-European Roots.]

Cool and original handle? or atleast I've never seen it used before...

Thats pretty original i know what noxious means but when you spelled it differently i didnt quite catch it, good one.

quote:im pretty sure he works for the CIA because he is always leaving on all these long trips to DC and in europe and plus he owns the same kind of gun that the CIA issues to their officers and he is fluent in french german russian italian and of course english so yeah im pretty sure he is a spy and plus he is reeeeaaaallllyyyy smart

[/B]

That would be cool if your dad would realy be a CIA opperative. What does he say when you ask him what his job is? Why don't you just ask if you could accompany him to his work?

But a bit previous to that quote you said he owned a coffee shop?

he used to own a coffee shop he doesnt anymore. i guess he just did that on the side because he really does like coffee, and i have asked him about his job before and he just tells me he is a lawyer, and i can see how he would be, because he works for a law firm, but when he goes out of the country he takes his gun so i don't know and plus i always see him putting these folders into a desk in his drawer and one time he caught me trying to pick the lock and got all kind of secretive telling me it is just his work stuff and took the picks away from me and the next day i saw him changing the lock and stuff.....so i dont know sybil.

also he travels on a private airplane because i looked at one of his tickets once and it said private flight on it..

So when he travels he takes the gun with him? I don't realy think guns are allowed on an airplane? So why don't you just ask if you can come with him? And I do think that you can tell your son that you're a CIA opperative, I mean this isn't a movie you know.

he travels on a private plane, maybe hes a cleaner......do you know what a cleaner is?

yes I do I had my hopes set on becoming one myself. But it is realy hard to find a job if you arn't in the right enviroment. Plus he can't but a privet jet with that money there's a little thing called the IRS. And a private plane still has to take off on a public airporte, and in a public airport you still have to go tru the metal detectors even if you have your own airplane.

you wanted to be a cleaner? hmm wouldnt be a bad profession, but anyways maybe they take the plane from a military base?!?!i dont know im just wondering, or maybe he just works for the mafia, or he is just a flat out assassin.

Cleaner and Assasine are about the same you know. I do think you should check into what he does. I mean try to follow him with your bike or something? Or ask one of your friends who has a car to follow him. Or take the bus to were you think he work. Because you're getting me courious to.

And I've tried so hard to become a cleaner believe me it is imposible to become one if you don't know the right people.

why do you want to be a cleaner so bad?? anyways i dont have a car yet, but i have been watching him the best i can but he can shake me easily, i think he knows im watching him but he just it too good for me to keep track of, one time i went to his office(law firm) and then he told me he had to go and went outside and got into a black ford crown vic, so i memorized the plates and went home and did a search on the plates and i couldnt find anything on them but i could find them on any other plates so im pretty curious as you can see.....

Why don't you go into the law firm and ask at the front desk if they know "name of your dad". Then you'll know for sure. And I don't think that every licence plate in america is online.

I wanna be a cleaner because I think I have what it takes to kill somebody in cold blood. And it pays good, but such kind of job you don't do because of the money. Somebody who does this has usualy no reason but feels it is a think he must do or for what he was born to do.

they do know who he is he has a number and an office and a secretary there and all they may all just be coverups but i don't know, how come i could find them on all of my friends parents lisence plates and my parents and sisters and others but not that one though.

You just have to find something on him. Let me know everything you find out on your dad. I'm out, goodnight.

I have a better Idea. If you find anything, or you need some pointers mail me proud_belgium@hotmail.com

I think You guys are pretty cool cause your kinda like me in a way im into all that shit big time kinda like you guys are but some different stuff to. If you need some help noc i might be able to help you.

Ps hey paintb_noc i liked the idea about the wrestling shoes you posted. and read the day after roswell then youll understand about why u shouldnt work for the cia.

"Now, Infared, I don't wanna call you a liar BUT. The minimum order allowance is 20 bucks. How did you order something for $10?"

Minimum order is now $20? Well, it wasn't when I made my first order (this was quite awhile ago, remember). I also haven't ordered anything from them since the lockpicks, and that was quite awhile back too. When I made that order, it came to around $15, with shipping and all that, so I guess back then they didn't have any minimum order. When I ordered those lockpicks, they were a little cheaper too, so it looks like lately they're fleecing their customers

As for teaching oneself to pick locks - it's hard to explain, but by tinkering around inside the lock, and figuring out the function of all the little pins, and taking one apart and looking at the structure of it, you can teach yourself. I think maybe it takes a certain amount of mechanical inclination, but it's really not so bad. You can also just look at a lockpicking FAQ here on totse. It's not as hard as you might think, to pick your average doorknob lock or deadbolt, the type you'd see on a houses front door. I've mastered those, but I'm not all that great with more advanced type locks, due to lack of experience. For now, I'm content to be able to pick doorknobs and deadbolts, considering that those locks are the most frequently encountered type (for me, anyway)

-Infrared

hey yeah sorry about gettin all pissed off earlier but i do know what a real spy is, and yeah you should really try the wrestling shoes i promise they work really well, not so great for running as much, but hey if you are really good at clandestine ops then you shouldn't have to worry about running. and sybil i will keep you posted and thanks for the tips.

Hmm, I guess I'll tell an infiltration story.

So one night, it's a little breezy out, 3:00 AM. I'd quietly hopped the wall into my next door neighbor's yard, and I was about in the middle, by her big tree, when suddenly her neighbor's porch light comes on. It didn't quite light me up like a spotlight, but it did make me more visible, to anyone who may have been watching. So I crouched, I concealed myself in the branches (it was a very low-hanging tree, with some little shrub type things around it), and sat STILL as hell, for a good ten minutes. The light never did go off, but I did a little recon with both the night vision and my regular binocs (tip: even if it's in the dead of night, bring a pair with you. You never know.), and when I was satisfied no one was around, I made my move back to our wall, doing my best to keep out of the neighbor's (with the porch light) view, if they were watching and I somehow missed them. I kept myself as flat as possible while hopping the wall; you know, where you get on your stomach, and kind of "roll" over it, to minimize your profile.

Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. I accidentally put most of my weight on one nut, and crushed it against the wall. Fucking ouch. I fell the rest of the way into our yard, and laid there in the dirt writhing for a few minutes. Ouch, god damnit. I'm cringing even thinking about it. Laughing, and cringing. Men, please - if you're hopping walls during nighttime infiltration "missions", and hop the wall in such a way as to minimize your profile - be careful. Or wear a cup or something, I don't know.

Yeah, that's a lame story, I know, I'll see what else develops as I expand my ops further

-Infrared

man speaking of night time ops i just got back from one myself runnin a little recon on the neighborhood but yeah it is 4:00 a.m. so im goin to bed later just tryin to keep the topic on top.

All my ops are done for the night - I haven't been to sleep since that last post of mine, and it's 6:30 in the freaking morning here. Time to sleep, wake up, go shooting, and sneak around through the night (and post on totse).

Got barked at by a damn dog this time, and not until I had sprung back over our wall in haste did I notice it was INSIDE the house. Damn noisy little fucker. It was the type of dog that can't even hurt you, but can annoy you, and wake the owner up (who in turn can hurt you).

If you can sneak past a sleeping dog in the yard, you're truly a master of the art of stealth. I'm not quite there yet

I usually don't do a lot in terms of exploring when I'm at home, but when I go on vacation I sneak out every night and sneak around. I have found that when sneaking out of my house, if I try to sneak past my dogs, they wake up and bark, yet if I just walk past them they don't stir. I don't understand this, and I don't really think it would work with other dogs, although it'd be worth a shot sometime. I've found that just a nice knife is better than any kind of gun, because if need be you can just kill your enemy quietly. I doubt that situation would ever come up, but air rifles make a lot of noise, cost too much, and give you away instantly. With a knife you can cut camera cables, or slice through screens on houses, although you are leaving traces of your intrusion. I just think the knife is a very good tool to have on a sneaking mission, if you want to put it in Metal gear terms. I only steal if it's something I really want, like an Mp3 player I've been spotting and making a plan for, I don't break in just to steal whatever I can. Exploring is a lot of fun I must say, although I'd really like to get a pair of NVG's.

OMG! Infrared, that story about putting all your weight on one nut is so funny. I swear I must've laughed 10 minutes. Oh, by the way, I think I know what you guys are doin, just walk around and lurk around and not take anything? Well that's cool, I guess you guys just like the excitment. I do too, but I've never done that. Years ago me and my friends always knocked on doors and ran, we have some funny stories.

Another thing I did about a year ago was pull power breakers at the mall and run. It shuts off the lights. Well one day we were doin it and we ran, the peanut hut(a store owner at the mall) came running after us. Well it was go time so we ran fast and tried a side door, it was locked so we were gonna run around the other side but the peanut hut owner was already there. We were at a dead end so there was a bush around. We had to hide in the bush(i know it was a bad idea but I was desperate). Well, we got caught, banned for a year, and Sunday I get unbanned, althought I've been going back and going tonight too.

Yeah, I can laugh about that little incident now, but at the time, I almost wanted to cry

Sephiroth: I agree wholeheartedly. I always have either my folding CRKT knife or my SRK fixed-blade on me during those ops. I'll be in deep shit should I ever be caught, but I don't plan on being caught either. I'm not so extreme as to kill someone's dog or something all for the sake of exploration, but they make handy tools, should you, as you said, come across any cables, need to cut vegetation to improvise your own camouflage (did it during paintball warfare - and won). Of course, I ALWAYS carry a knife, no matter what; they're infinitely useful

The sun's going down. Tonight I'm planning another little op; I plan to sneak through yards to a house across the street with a swimming pool. On the weekends, like clockwork, you can hear splashing and frolicking, even at 3 AM. Maybe I should bring my digital camera/binoc combo, see how many ladies I can capture, and post the pics here?

Nah, I'm not THAT bad, but I'll do that recon, and consider any potential ladies a sweet bonus. I'll post again and let you know how it went

-Infrared

So their light came on and you checked things out with your nod's and your binoc's. well man dont be looking at lights with your nod's too much because you will burn the coating off of the tube or completely burn up the tube unless you are using a daylight filter (you also need to use it in bright light situations at night). If you dont have a daylight filter you can make one out of a piece of glass for a welding helmet and a glass cutter. just be sure you get the darkest lense you can find to make your filter.

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...Urban Exploration...

Hi, I'm pretty new to the UE scene, and was wondering what other equipment do yall take with you on your little "excursions"?

The reason I'm asking is that I'm planning my own this Sunday, and need some tips/advice. The building I'me "infiltrating" (if you can call it that...) is abandoned, and pretty bell boarded up. I have the following tools so far:

-Dremel with diamond drill bit

- Cutting bit for dremel

-jeweler's flat and phillips head screwdrivers

-regular screwdrivers

-flashlight

-batteries

-knife(X4)

-midnight blue BDU's, boots, gloves, and hat

-crow bar

Any other gear yall think I should carry with me?

--bad_b0y_4_lif3



[This message has been edited by bad_b0y_4_lif3 (edited 07-25-2003).]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bad_b0y_4_lif3:

[B]...Urban Exploration...

Hi, I'm pretty new to the UE scene, and was wondering what other equipment do yall take with you on your little "excursions"?

The reason I'm asking is that I'm planning my own this Sunday, and need some tips/advice. The building I'me "infiltrating" (if you can call it that...) is abandoned, and pretty bell boarded up. I have the following tools so far:

-Dremel with diamond drill bit

- Cutting bit for dremel

-jeweler's flat and phillips head screwdrivers

-regular screwdrivers

-flashlight

-batteries

-knife(X4)

-midnight blue BDU's, boots, gloves, and hat

-crow bar

Any other gear yall think I should carry with me?

--bad_b0y_4_lif3

Sounds like you've got a pretty good loadout. My ony advice; make sure your gear is in good working order, and things like your flashlight, Dremel, etc, won't quit on you when you need them. Since you're going into an abandoned place, take careful steps. If you're on a higher floor, be VERY careful of weak/rotten floors or anything like that; falling through one will really suck

Also, a crowbar is a good idea, but have you considered a prybar instead? They're more compact, and unless you're trying to pry open something serious, or you need to beat someone, it'll do all what a crowbar will, and take up less space

That's about it; don't get loss, watch your ass, and have a good time. Let us know how it goes

-Infrared

Zeke: Oh, I know; I never look directly into the light. I was far enough away from it, so all it did was give me better light to see dark with. I'm actually very obsessive about exposing that thing to too much light, heh.

-Infrared

Dudes i just noticed this thread and PLEASE keep going. And i know exactly what u mean by the weak floor boards. found out the hard way. 2 other good things to have with u is a portable welding flame thingo and a digital camera. dont want to be over loaded though.

Never forget the old tricks. If you are being watched and you need to cross an open area, tie a string to a bush and take it with you over to where you are going to cross. You can use trees to loop the string around if it's a U shape. Then when you work up the courage to go, wiggle the string until the people are watching the bush, then RUN! I'd probably just wait till they are gone, but if they know you are out there, then they will just sit and watch and wait. Don't forget you can throw rocks on pavement or anything else to create a diversion.

quote: Yeah, broken cameras are a trace of infiltration, but it's either that, or just run in front of them. Even if I have a mask on, that's still leaving an even-worse trace of infiltration. Those ops will take some serious planning.

Why don't u blind it? Just aim a lazer pointer (On a tri-pod)and blind it.

Pure logic muthafucka, they'ill just see a blur for an hour or two but they'ill never know what happened.

N.K.

someone a few posts up mentioned a "portable flame thinger" (too lazy to find out who and what they said, and havent read how to quote yet, also again showing laziness) but anyways, you can get pen sized ones that use butane at electrical stores(radio shack maybe, thats where i saw it)...or you could just pervert a lighter to be extra strong..ive seen a few posts on that to

Ive been reading all the posts on this site for the last month. im really into this sort of thing i do alot of it i also do a lot of rock climbing i have found a hatch on my school that actually opens from the roof to the bathroom. i can do sum good ops there we always have fun rappelling off the school in the middle of the night.

the ultimate thing to do is go car hopping, pick a local, then go steal shit outta cars. or just jack the rims not that hard to make 300-400 dollars in 30 mins

Shit, why can't I find people like you where I live. And I don't live in Beverly Hills so no one from Beverly Hills say they live there. But I might do something like this Friday and Saturday this weekend. Keep up the post!

(b) OMG u are what makes Totse so Great... heres a story and a tip. well we hated this stupid fuck so we always ding dong ditched him. well one night his pops came out and i didtn get away quick enough and i was in the next yard and there was a fuckni street light right there so i'm like fuck and jumped behind a skinny ass tree layin down and like deal god dont let him see me. then he lights up a cig and starts walkin right toward me i'm like fuck i'm gonna run. but was too scared to then he starts up the street yelling come out u little pussys and show your selfs i was like holy fuck he didnt see me.

well my tip is dont assume your cought untill u are or your lookin face to face and they start runnign after u

PS I LOVE U GUYS

Ah, that story reminds me of playing hide and seek with my friends at night in the neighborhood, when I was younger. I remember one time, he had finished his count but I hadn't found a good place to hide, and just as he started out, I laid down in the shadow of a big telephone pole, as flat as possible, and I kept my ass AS STILL AS POSSIBLE. He walked in pretty close proximity to me at one point, but somehow didn't see me, even though I was only hidden by a "strip" of shadow; all around me, the glow of a streetlight. It was a lot of fun.

That's actually a good tip; If you ever have to evade and hide; DON'T panic, don't shake, don't twitch, and do not make a SOUND. If you just keep cool, and take care that you're concealed well enough (and you weren't seen going into hiding), you'll make it. The key is to keep your head at all times, and also, use your eyes. Pay attention to detail

-Infrared

I'm gonna go on a litle mission tonight. Use taking out the trash as an alibi and sneak down the alley. Then I'm gonna hop into someone's yard, do a little recon, and head back home. Its lame, but I only have a 2-4 minute window max before my parents suspect anything (they are still awake and wandering so sneaking out would be dumb). Again, its mostly just for sneaking around and getting a cheap small thrill. Peace. I'll check back in with an edit.

Edit: Went out. As I said, pretty lame. Well, my alley is like this:

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I went into the little intersection closest to my house and snuck down. Considering my gym shoes, I was moving pretty quietly. There were cars in the alley, and I think I could have easily robed some of the cars if I wanted. Anyways, I went to the end of the alley segment, and just tagged someone's porch. Someone who was walking a good block away spotted me (possibly, I was wearing all dark, but was standing up). I ran back to my house, and turned off the light.

Lol, you guys who break into houses probably think this is lame, but it was merely supposed to be a very short sneaking thing.

I have more acces to fun areas during daytime, I should probably take what I have and sneak around buildings during the day. More risk, and more fun...

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quote:Originally posted by twistix:

Man I'm with you on the hating seafood thing. I can't bring myself to eat ANYTHING from the sea. I't makes me wanna throw up.

Man nightvision goggles kick ass! How much did they cost?

i know seafood sucks it looks l,ike it comes form the human body...

And none of you have mentioned Italian women? Love 'em.

No "calamari" jokes, guys.



-Infrared

This is the best thread here.

I am DEEPLY into assassination, spying, and infiltration.

I've read almost every article out there on the subject, know all kinds of techniques, and spend most of my time researching it.

I ordered a pair of Tabi boots (if you don't know what those are, they're ninja boots that allow you to walk completely silently, and are designed for climbing things easily).

I really badly need equipment for infiltration, mainly lockpicks.

If anyone has a spare set, email me at mattswartz16@yahoo.com

I'd buy some from an official company, but I'm 17 and live with my parents so they wouldn't let me get a pair, so it would be my best bet to order from one of you discreetly. It was hard enough convincing my parents to let me get Tabi boots, lol.

If anyone is really interested in all this stuff, I have a giant collection of info, articles, and tips on all of this kind of stuff that I'd be more than happy to share, just message me at the above email or contact me on AIM my username is Mattswartz15

It's good to see people interested in this kind of thing here, I thought I was the only one.

To keep this topic in the running. Paintball_noc, did you find out anything more about your dad?

I'm going camping with some other people, perfect op for ops (no pun intended). What would be some good objectives? Just pranking them would be fine, I have smoke bombs, firecrackers, and I could just prowl around and scare them

What kind of camping trip? Like apublic camping area where other campers are there too or deep woods kind of stuff? If there are other campers, try sneaking into other camp sites. It would be a great time to perfect your stealth techniques, and when you're confident you're doing good, try sneaking right up close to someones tent, and walk a few circles around it without being detected and take off.

If it's just with your friends, learn to place stuff in someones drink without detection.

Without anyone noticing, try putting 10 drops or so of visine eye drops in someones drink to make them fart alot.

I'm in the planning phase of my biggest op yet.

See, here in NM, there's a mountain range known as The Sandias, and up top (or, "The Crest"), there's a big tourist trap - er, log cabin that's essentially a massive gift shop. There are no cameras (that I can see), and the doors lock with a basic deadbolt, so I can pick them open. Right now, I'm planning, as I said, which means I'm donning woodland/alpine camouflage gear, and packing my spotting scope, binocs, and binoc/digital camera combo, and getting detailed intel on all entrances and exits, security, etc, and the surrounding area (It's cool - on one side, there's just a sheer 300 foot drop. That building always seemed rather tenously placed to me, but I digress)

Anyway, I plan to get up there in the day and establish a miniature "camp" site about a mile away from the cabin, where all the people are. I quote "camp" because I'm not going to be having any fire or anything like that, just my camo web gear and a tiny, camo deer blind that I'll lounge in. The crest area closes to people at around 7:00 at night, but I'm going to wait until around 1:00 AM, and stealth through the woods until I reach the insertion point successfully. I'm going to proceed to pick open the door, sneak in, and have a look around all the restricted areas, stockroom, snack bar, etc. I know, I know; "What are you going to take?" Nothing. For anyone who didn't see my first post; my goal is exploring restricted areas, taking some healthy risk, and of course having fun. I will make my exit through a small employee's exit, which faces back towards my "camp". I'll make it back to "camP, allot myself 45 seconds to pack up my deer blind and get myself together, then hoof it about another 1/4 mile to a remote two-lane road where the bird will extract me. Ok, ok - Where my friend will be waiting with his '86 Honda Civic. lol.

so yeah. I'm still planning this, and making occasional trips up there and gathering recon; I need to spend one night up there doing recon, to make sure there's no security guards or anything that patrol. Otherwise, I'll be doing this in around a week or so. I'll make sure to update.

My loadout will be:

Night Vision monocular

SRK knife

10X compact, camo binoculars

Magnum Stealth boots

Alpine Camo BDU set, face makeup, and brush hat

Lockpicks

prybar

SureFire flashlight w/red, plain white, and infrared (can only be seen through night vision) filters

tactical knee protectors (read: glorified knee pads that will protect you from glass, sharp rocks, etc, as opposed to impact, like the skating type)

tac. elbow protectors; same thing

All gear carried in a set of camo web gear

This will be fun

-Infrared

Gear for sewer exploration(per person):

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Two flashlights with spare batteries and bulbs

Knee pads

At least two liters of bottled water

Energy bars

Sidewalk chalk(>2 sticks)

Rope(nylon, about 20 feet)

One or two knives (>3 inch blades)

Road flares(as a last resort, if your flashlights get broken)

At least one person should also carry a crowbar.

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You sure as hell have a lot of crap on your gear list just to go 'exploring'.

A lot of it seems excessive.

Personally, I'd try to make the best without all the gear and see how far I could get.

-David.

I thought you didn't want to destroy anything. Why destroy a company's $300 a piece cameras.

I recomend getting the book Secrets of the Ninja as much of it is about moving silently. You can download it free and read it provided you have ADOBE Acrobat Reader.

You can get it from the Dojo Press website but you must search for it I don't have the link.

It's not that much gear, really. Let me get into detail:

NV Monocular: For visual recon; so I can see in that deep forest darkness, so I can make sure I'm not about to walk into a bear, or a rent-a-cop patrolling a dark area of the building

SRK Knife: For cutting down any thick brush I may find myself tangled in (remember, forest), for cutting off my clothing, should I need to get something off if I (somehow) get injured; for a lot of things. Knives are versatile tools.

10X binocs: For more powerful, but without NV capability, visual recon, to watch for people, and to zoom up and look through the windows of the cabin, to make sure no one's inside

Magnum Stealth boots: For foot protection, and softer steps, so I'm not detected

Alpine camo clothes/gear: So if any hopefuls somehow detect me; I can hide and blend in, should I find a flashlight shone on me.

Lockpicks: Take a wild guess

prybar: Because you never know (I don't anticipate using this for anything, but I want to have it anyway)

SureFire flashlight w/filters: The white beam for pure visibility; I don't anticipate using that unless I have to treat a bleeding wound from a bear attack or something. The red filter is harder to pick up, should I need some semi-stealthy light, and the red filter preserves your night vision too. the Infrared filter is for purely invisible (except to me) light, should there not be enough ambient light to give me a good sight picture with my night vision monocular

knee/elbow protectors: So I'm not scraped, cut, bruised, hurt out there, should I have to kneel or crawl on rocky/littered/uneven ground.

It's not so much gear, really. If I wanted to wreak havoc, my load would be doubled

-Infrared

I am planning a major operation and need some advice(ten heads are better than one) I will be infiltrating a heavily patroled compound, here is some info about the compound;the perimeter fence is ten feet high with razor wire at the top, there are no alarms present. Over the fence there are large areas of land that has been ploughed(HELP- how will i get acrosss without leaving tracks ?), the compound is patroled every six minutes by vehicles with search lights, And by foot patrols with torches.

The area is on the side of a hill, with hardly any trees or bushes for cover. The compound is not very well lit, there is one huge building in the centre of the compound, and several unused buildings nearer the perimeter.

Here is a list of kit i will be taking with me:

camouflaged trousers

camouflaged shirt

camouflaged gloves

camouflaged peaked cap

green fabric boots

camouflage cream

homemade lock picks

binos

SLR bayonet

MP5SD airsoft

Is there any other kit that would be helpful for this operation ?

Where are you from?

Why do you want to enter?

What kind of complex are we talking about?

About the plowed field. There is no way of getting tru it without leaving tracks. I would advise when you take a step make sure it's in the deep end of the plowed field. When they shine the fieled with a flashlight or something it should blend in with the area.

I ended up being too lazy and tired to do the nighttime ops at the campout. I did try to scare some campers with a loud firecracker. (I crept up on them, lit it, and threw it military style, lol) unfortuneatly, the firecracker was a dud and it was pointless.

I'm gonna do some neighborhood stuff tonight. I'll be using some minor gear, namely just binoculars(not night vision, but the few streetlamps should be enough for me to use the binoculars effectively) and stealth shoes. Not sure on my objectives yet, I"ll probably set my sights on a nearby school. No vandalism, just make it undetected to a certain part of it, mark it somehow (post it note...) then go back home.

hmm one time me and a couple friends went to a dude's house that my friends hate. Anyways his house is right across a park, with bushes facing his house. Which is perfect for egging . So we got two dozen eggs and threw them at the house, it was great! then as we were finishing up and walking away, Age (one of the dudes) yells out "FUCK!" and we look back and there is the man with a mullet by the house staring out. All of a sudden he jumps forward and runs after us! We proceed to run all the way to a church which was 4 miles away. This mullet man guy ran after us for 2 miles...it was awesome

but this stuff you're talking about seems cool, of course none of my friends would want to do it with me, they'd think its gay...I hate when people are narrow sighted :P so I guess I will be going out tonight on my own. I have no equipment except dark clothes and a possibly a camera. I dont really have any 'objectives' so I will be sneaking through backyards probably, but I have a few questions, 'What are your excuses usually for leaving the house?' and 'What is a good objective to give for?'

Q.Where are you from?

A.Can't answer that.

Q.What kind of complex are we talking about?

A.It's just a heavily guarded complex, no one knows what it is or what it's used for, there's always trucks that leave but always on differet times and days(nights).

Q.Why do you want to enter?

A.To find out what the fuck is in the heavily guarded building.



Q.What are your excuses usually for leaving the house?

A.It's a buzz to leave the house and "sneak" into the "unknown".

Here is some info i found on the net that helped me and hopefully will help everyone with the same interests.

GUIDELINES FOR STEALTH WALKING



Maintain balance control by allowing your body weight to sink and be carried by deeply flexed knees.

Remember to breathe along with your movement. Unconsciously holding your breath can unknowingly produce unneeded muscle tension, and could result in gasping release of breathe if you are startled or accidentally unbalanced.

Stay alert to the entire scene. Do not become so engrossed in watching your feet that you do not notice other people an elements entering the surroundings.

Use all joints for movement, emphasizing fluidity through the engagement of the ankles, knees, and hips for stepping. Avoid the lazy and dangerous habit of stiffening knees and swinging the entire leg from the hip.

Maintain your weight and balance on your grounded leg while you move the other leg into position to bear the weight. When absolute silence is a must, avoid distributing your weight over both legs at the same time.

If practical, allow your hands to float lightly in front of and beside your torso, one arm higher and one arm lower, to detect possible obstructions before your committed body weight encounters them.

Pause and hold your position if you feel that you have accidentally caused too much noise. Listen for signs that you were heard, such as the movement of others or the immediate silencing of background noise following your slip. Sink a little lower on your knees to physically relax that could normally jump into your body with alarm. Take a deep breathe and release it slowly to further relax. Continue your pause for as long as you feel is necessary to regain composure and allow possible listeners to decide they did not hear anything after all.

Be as patient as possible. If speed of travel is not important, take as much time as you can. Impatience and the resultant hasty movement that it encourages are the greatest dangers to the person who must move silently without detection.

Keep your movement appropriate to your surroundings. Do not go to greater lengths than necessary to conceal your movement, while at the same being aware of what others entering the area may see if they cannot hear. Total silence may not be needed when moving through wooded or densely populated areas where scattered noise is a natural part of the environment. Also be aware that low profile crawling or sliding ma be the only way to move silently without being seen in some locations.

CONCEALMENT People are seen for a number of reasons, remembering these vital words that will help you to stay covered from the enemy at all times;

SHAPE- Lose your shape, break up the bodies outline and blend in with the surroundings

SHINE- Mask any shiny or reflective objects on your person, including the face.

SHADOW- Move behind lights when possible. If not move in the shadows, the human shadow is easily distinguished.

SILHOUETTE- The human shape is familiar and stands out. Keep low from sky lines.

SURFACE- Blend in with the surroundings.

SPACING- When in a group spread out randomly. Nature is not orderly.

MOVEMENT- Things are seen especially when they move. Avoid unnecessary movement

Inpo, the art of hiding, is an integral part of the Ninjitsu system. It simply means that one must take advantage of every possible object, natural as well as man made, to conceal oneself. Inpo gave rise to the legends that the ancient ninja could vanish at will..

Foremost among the precepts of inpo is the admonition to avoid unnecessary movement. Following are the five preferred inpo methods:

EARTH METHOD

The best example of this technique is supplied by Uzura gakure no-jitsu, which suggests hiding like a quail in small gaps between two larger objects. The primary consideration here is that one must be able to completely fill the space between the objects. In this way, one may escape detection, since an observer will scan past these as he walks. Of note also is the technique of hiding under overhanging brush or grass. Stay low to observe and look around the cover.

AIR METHOD

This refers to hiding like a racoon. It means that one should climb a tree or other high place and press oneself against the object so that one seems to be a part of it. The infamous jewel thieves, Alan Kuhn and Jack Murphy- who stole the Star of India from a New York museum- made frequent use of this tactic. They believed, and rightly so, that people seldom look up.

WATER METHOD

This means to imitate the actions of the fox by concealing oneself in water. Not only does this aid in erasing one's trail, but also allows only poor footing for the pursuing enemy. This method is also extremely useful when one can spring on an enemy out of the water for the purpose of drowning him.

FIRE METHOD

This is perhaps the most difficult of the inpo arts. It refers to the erasing of sound and shadow. Always move behind a light source to avoid casting a shadow or silhouette which might betray you. Learn to move silently. Only practice in the nine steps can develop this skill.

WOOD METHOD

Pu Neng Mu is the term used to mean "invisibility in plain sight". When no cover is at hand one must hide behind nothing. This is accomplished by distorting the silhouette. It is possible to form the body into many shapes by means of yogic exercises. In the old days of ninjitsu, one excellent tactic involved replacing a scare crow and standing in the center of a ploughed field. By kneeling and wrapping the arms around the knees, one assumes a position like a stone or bush.



POSITIONS OF CONCEALMENT

There are six basic positions which may be used to conceal your presence:

1. ABOVE- A position above the enemy is the first of these, as mentioned people rarely look up. One may use this propensity to his advantage. Roof tops are a good place of concealment as by laying flat observations can be made, However, avoid silhouetting.

2. BELOW- One can also hide below the enemy when hiding or observing. Look for crawl spaces, air ducts or cellars. Remember to replace any grates or trap doors that may have been in your way. Beware of being trapped, NEVER move into a space with only one exit.

3. BESIDE- Beside cover is a third method which may be used. Regardless of the object, keep as low as possible at all times. Use shadows when ever possible- conceal yourself within it and assume the same shape.

4. BEHIND- Hiding behind cover is another technique. In selecting this approach, bear in mind that you must assume the same shape as the object. Shrubs, hedges, crates, stacked material, and so on, may be used for this purpose.

5. INSIDE- Hiding inside is another method of concealment. The trick is to choose places where a person is not expected to fit. One must possess great flexibility and the ability to remain uttery still. Remember to beware of becoming trapped.

6. INFRONT- Infront of cover is the boldest and most difficult of all these concealment methods. To accomplish this, one must select the object of concealment, position himself directly before it, and assume its shape. Lower the torso and look directly ahead without fixing the eyes on any one point. Relax the body.

In all of these concealment methods, the primary consideration is no movement. It is of utmost importance in hiding in plain view. This technique was a favourite of the ancient ninja, who would position themselves so, along a path travelled by the enemy, stepping forward to attack him as he passed. DO NOT look directly at the enemy as this will cause him to sense your presence.

MOVEMENT

The Nine Steps

Man sees in three ways, by movement, silhouette, and colour. Man also hears, and some hear more acutely than others. Also, since some people can sense a foreign presence, one must have a calm mind to escape their notice. To elude all these sensory pickups is to be invisible for all practical purposes. To eradicate colour, one employs black art, a magician's skill. Black is the absence of colour. This means that a black surface absorbs all of the light rays incident upon it, reflecting none. It is the reflected rays that give an object its apparent colour. Further a black surface casts no shadow upon itself to define its depth. To erase shadow and sound, one must employ the nine steps detailed next:

1. Black/Stealthily Step

Lower the hips and raise both arms; the feet are turned inwards and one shoulder width apart. The hips are back and the head lowered. The eyes are directed without being fixed at a spot about ten foot ahead. Keeping the upper body still move the right foot in to the left then out and forward in a semi-circle manner, keeping all the weight on the left foot and feeling the ground ahead with the foot for a suitable step. Always keep the arms up and elbows in to protect the body and feel for obstacles. Always direct the Chi (inner/sixth sense) forward.

2. Cross Step

Stand sideways to the direction you wish to go. The lead arm is held middle to low section in front of you ready to steady the body if it should become unbalanced and the rear arm is held up by the head in a ready position. Move all of the body weight onto the front foot then bring the rear foot around in front of the body and place it half a step in front, in the direction you want to go. Then take the front foot, from behind the previous rear foot, and stretch it out as far as possible feeling for a suitable position to place it. The eyes scan the ground about three foot in front. This technique is easily mastered and is extremely efficient for quick, silent movement. When passing a window, or the like, one should listen for sounds before, during and after one has passed the obstacle. Always try and move on the balls of the feet, as this gives faster, smother movements.

3. Night Walking Ability

This is employed when it is necessary to move quietly and quickly forward. Lower the body for better balance, and extend the arms, palm down at waist level. Step forward with the left foot, balancing on the right leg. Place the toes lightly on the ground and shift body weight forward. As you move, press the left heel down gently. Glide forwards, advancing the right foot in a similar manner.

4. Serpent Step

This technique is employed when one needs move close to the ground. Keep the body as flat as possible. The hands are kept palms down, near the face, with elbows close to the body, legs spread, and toes outward. The head is lifted to observe the enemy. to move forward, extend the arms and draw the left leg forward. The weight is borne on the forearms and ankle to knee on the leg, so that the body does not drag on the ground. Change the pushing leg frequently to avoid fatigue. Stop and listen after each movement, silence and slow movement are essential.

Dragon Step

This is a variation of the serpent step. Keep the body free of the ground by resting on the forearms and lower legs. Move forwards by alternately moving the right knee/left elbow and then the left knee/ right elbow. This position is quite vulnerable so use it at distance.

5. Rushing Step

Use this technique when changing cover. From a press up position, bring the right leg up to the chest, the same as a 100m runner. Spring to the feet and run to the next position keeping low with the arms hanging in front. At the new position silently drop to the knees then to the front of the body and roll into cover.

6. Entering Pivot

This is most effective when turning a corner, i.e. a wall. Press against the wall with the back, resting the weight forward. Place the leading hand by the knee and the rear hand around the body and press it against the wall by the face. Slowly learn forward and look around the corner. Do this at a fairly low level. Having determined that the move can be accomplished move the head back out of sight. Stretch the leading leg around the corner as far as possible and slide the body around the corner. When the hips have cleared the wall the rear leg is pulled through. Press your back against the wall and check that the movement was not observed.

7. Wall Climbing Ability

To perfect this technique to scale bare or smooth walls requires three years floor work, three years climbing walls with jutting bricks and three years bare wall climbing. Press the body against the wall, getting a feel for the surface material. Look directly upward, selecting a hand hold route you will employ. Grip the ledge, and place the toes on a second ledge. Simultaneously push with the legs and pull with the arms, gaining sufficient momentum to carry your hand to the edge of the wall. Regain balance and go again, moving only one point at a time. Walls may also be advanced with the chest facing, and using drainpipes and trellises, bearing in mind that they are considerably weaker at the top than at the bottom. Always test the object before attempting to scale them. When confronted by a fence topped by barbed wire, three methods may be used to cross the perimeter. First you may climb the barrier, finding ample support for feet and hands near the support poles. When crossing the barbed wire, grasp it at either the support, or between the barbs and slowly let yourself over taking care not to get caught on the wire. Drop clear of the fence on the other side executing a forward roll to break the impact, reduce noise and roll to a pre-selected point of concealment. Take care not to touch electrified fences, look for small insulator boxes at intervals and dead animals nearby.

8. Side Step

This technique is employed when the need to pass an open door or threshold arises. Assume the position as in the 'entering pivot step' (#6) Observe the situations, noting any personnel and their positions. As quickly and silently as possible push off with the rear leg stepping clear of the opening and landing on the left leg in one swift motion. On the other side check once again that the movement was not observed.

9. Lost Track Pivot

Stand with knees slightly bent toes pointing forward, and the body lowered slightly. Pivot on the ball of the right foot while turning toward your right forward corner and step out to your left. You will now be facing 90 degrees from your original position. The instant the left foot touches down, shift the weight to that side and execute another 90 degree pivot, this time to your right rear corner. You now face 180 degrees from your original position.

More Ways To Move

When ascending stairs keep close to the wall and move using the cross step. Alternatively you could use the dragon step to move up the stairs. This spreads out the body weight and pressure and reduces noise while keeping the body's position covered. When confronted by a mirror, treat it as an opening or window passing out side the field of reflection. Observe the position of your shadow as this may give you away.

Moving At Night

Not all of the movement methods are suitable at night. The appropriate method for night movement must be adopted. * At night you hear more than you see * Stop and listen. Keep close to the ground. * Freeze if you hear a noise.

When moving at night always remember to:

* Keep quite..........................Don't have loose equipment *Move carefully...................Use the appropraite method of moving * Clear the route...................Do not step on any dry vegetation * Use avaiolable cover........Flares turn night into day

Listening At Night

Use your ears and turn them towards any sound. Closing the eyes will help to increase the amount of noise that you hear. If there are men about, keep an ear close to the ground or any other other dense material such as walls, roads, rail traks, etc. Sound travels alot better throuch denser materials than it does through air.

Night Vision

Humans can see in the dark, however, the eyes take approximately 30 minutes to used to the dark. At night remember:

* We can see less than in daylight * We see shapes not detail * We see skylines and silhouettes * We may see movemnet.

Exposure to bright light will ruin the eyes night vision. If caught in the light of flares, headlights or other strong sources of light, take cover at once (in open ground), freeze (in a wood). If you see a flare, or bright light source, instantly close one eye. This will help to protect the night vision in that eye.

Movement Rules

Follow these general rules to move without being seen or heard by the enemy:

* Camouflage yourself and your equipment. * Wear soft, well-fitting clothes. Starched clothing swishes, baggy clothing is likely to snag. * Use ankle ties to blouse the trousers. Do not tie them too tightly as this restricts circulation. * Do not carry unnecessary equipment. * Look for your next point of concealment before leaving your position. * Change direction when moving through tall grass; a straight path causes unnatural motion which attracts attention. * If you alarm birds or animals , remain in your position and observe. Their flight may attract attention. * Take advantage of distractions provided by natural noises. * Cross roads and tracks where maximum cover exists, look for a low spot or curve, cross quickly and silently. * Follow the furrows when crawling over ploughed land, crossing the furrows at low spots. * Avoid steep slopes and areas with loose gravel or stone. * Avoid cleared areas and prevent silhouetting. * Avoid heavily trafficked areas. * Avoid areas that are not trafficked at all, they could be mined or booby-trapped. * Always move downwind from kennels or guard dog positions. * Observe the enemy as much as possible, watching for indications that you have been discovered. * When in doubt, don't move. * Learn the patterns used to see, that you may move outside the field of view. * Learn to move without disturbing your surroundings.

PHYSICAL SECURITY AND INTRUSION DETECTION SYSTEMS

Introduction:

Physical Security relies on the following ideas to protect a facility:

Deterrence Prevention Detection Response

Deterrents are used to 'scare' the intruder out of trying to gain access. Prevention tries to stop the intruder from gaining access. Detection 'sees' the intruder while attempting to gain access. Response tries to stop and/or prevent as much damage or access to a facility as possible after detection. There are 3 security levels used in this article and in industry to designate a facility's need. They are: Low, Medium, and High. The amount, and types of security devices used by a facility are directly proportional to the level of security the facility 'thinks' it needs. This article will be primarily concerned with the protection of the perimeter.

The Perimeter:

A facility's first line of defense against intrusion is its' perimeter. The perimeter may have any or all of the following:

* A single fence * An interior fence coupled with an exterior fence * Regular barbed wire * Rolled barbed wire * Various fence mounted noise or vibration sensors * Security lighting and CCTV * Buried seismic sensors and different photoelectric and microwave systems

Fences:

Fences are commonly used to protect the perimeter. The most common fence in use today is the cyclone fence, better known as the chain link fence. Fences are used as a deterrent and to prevent passage through the perimeter. Common ways of defeating fences are by cutting, climbing, and lifting. Cutting is not usually recommended for surreptitious entry, since it is easily noticeable. In this article, we will be taking the 'Stealth' approach. Climbing is most commonly done, but if the fence is in plain view, it may not be advisable since you can be seen easily. The higher the fence, the longer it takes to climb. The longer it takes to climb, the longer security has to detect and respond to your actions. Lifting is better since you are closer to the ground, and not as easily spotted, but the fence must be very flexible, or the sand very soft so you can get under the fence quickly and easily. Whenever you see a somewhat 'unclimbable' fence (or one that you just don't want to climb) you should check the perimeter for large trees with uncut branches hanging over the fence or other objects which will enable you to bypass the fence without ever touching it. You could use a ladder but you don't want to leave anything behind, especially with your fingerprints on it, not that you plan on doing anything illegal of course. Electric fences are not used for security purposes as much as they were in the past. Today, its main use if to keep cattle or other animals away from the perimeter (either from the inside or outside). There are devices which send a low voltage current through a fence and can detect a drop in the voltage when someone grabs onto the fence. Again, not too common. For high security installations, there may be 2 fences. An outer fence, and an inner fence which are 5-10 yards apart. It isn't often that you see this type of setup, it is mainly used by government agencies and the military. You can be very sure that there are various intrusion detection devices mounted on the fence, buried underground between them, and/or line-of-sight microwave or photoelectric devices used. These will be mentioned later. If you insist on penetrating the perimeter, then you should try to measure how far it is between fences. Now find a 2 foot by X foot board where X is the distance between the 2 fences. Very slowly place the board on top of both fences. If there are no fence vibration sensors you can just climb the fence and step onto the board to walk across the top. If there are fence sensors, you will need a ladder which cannot touch the fence to get you on top of the board. You can then walk on the board, over the ground in between, and jump down, being careful not to disturb the fences. This will work if there are no sensors after the 2 fences. Identi- fying sensors will be mentioned later. Obviously the method of using a long board to put on top of the two fences will not work if the fences are spaced too far apart. Also, you and the board can be seen very easily.

Barbed Wire:

There are two common types of barbed wire in use today. The more common and less secure is the type that is strung horizontally across the fence with three or more rows. The 'barbs' are spaced about 6" apart, enough for you to put your hand in between while climbing over. Also, it is thin enough to be cut very easily. If you think you will need to leave in a hurry or plan on problem free surreptitious entry and the only way out will be to climb over the fence again you can cut the wire from one post to another, assuming the wire is tied or soldered to each post, and replace it with a plastic wire which looks like the wire you just cut. Tie it to each post, and come back anytime after that. You can then climb over it without being cut. The other type of wire, which is more secure or harmful, depending on how you look at it, is a rolled, circular wire commonly called Razor Ribbon. One manufacturer of this is the American Fence Co. which calls it 'the mean stuff'. And it is. The barbs are as sharp as razors. Of course this can be cut, but you will need very long bolt cutters and once you cut it, jump as far back as you can to avoid the wire from springing into your face. As mentioned earlier, cutting is irreparable, and obvious. If the wire is loosely looped, there may be sufficient room in between to get through without getting stitches and losing lots of blood. If the wire is more tightly looped you may be able to cover the the wire with some tough material such as a leather sheet so you can climb over without getting hurt. This method is not easy to accomplish however. You may want to see if you can get under the fence or jump over rather than climb it.

Fence Mounted Noise or Vibration Sensors:

Let's assume you have found a way to get past the fence. Of course you have not tried this yet, since you should always plan before you act. OK, you have planned how you would theoretically get over or past the fence. You are now past the deterrent and prevention stages. Before you put the plan into action you had better check for the things mentioned earlier. If a fence is the first step in security defense, then fence mounted sensors are the second step. The types of detection equipment that can be mounted on the fence are:

Fence shock sensors: These mount on fence posts at intervals of 10 to 20 feet, or on every post. They are small boxes clamped about 2/3 up from ground level. There is a cable, either twisted pair or coax running horizontally across the fence connecting these boxes. The cable can be concealed in conduits or inside the fence itself, thus, making it hard to visually detect. Each fence sensor consists of a seismic shock sensor that detects climbing over, lifting up or cutting through the fence. So if the fence is climbable, it would not be wise to do so since you may be detected. Of course it doesn't matter if your detected if there is no security force to respond and deter you. Another type, is called the E-Flex cable. It's simply a coax cable running horizontally across the fence. This cable can not only be used on chain link fences, but can also be used on concrete block, brick, or other solid barriers. It may be on the outside, or mounted inside the fence, thus, making detection of the device harder. Of course detection of this and other similar devices which cannot be seen, doesn't make it impossible. A way to detect this, is by simply repeatedly hitting the wall with a blunt object or by throwing rocks at it. If nothing out of the ordinary happens, then you can be reasonably sure it is not in place. This is basically a vibration sensor. Low frequency microphones: This is essentially a coax cable that responds to noise transmitted within the fence itself. Vibration sensors: These are based on mercury switches, a ring or ball on a pin, or a ball on a rail. Movement of the fence disturbs the switches and signals alarms. A hint that this is in use is that it can only be used on a securely constructed and tightly mounted fence, with no play or movement in it. Otherwise, they will be getting false alarms like crazy.

Now you know all about these types, how do you get around it? Well, don't touch the fence. But if there is no alternative, and you must climb it, then climb the fence where it makes a 90 degree turn (the corner) or at the gate. Climb it very slowly and carefully, and you should be able to get over without being detected by these sensors! Make sure you climb on the largest pipe and don't fall.

Security Lighting And CCTV:

Sometimes, fences may be backed up by Closed Circuit TV (CCTV) systems to make visual monitoring of the perimeter easier and quicker. By installing an adequate lighting system and conventional CCTV cameras, or by using special low light sensitive cameras, the perimeter can be monitored from a central point. Security personnel can then be dispatched when an intruder is detected on the monitors. Some systems are stationary, and others can be moved to view different areas of the perimeter from within the central station. It would be in your best interest to determine if the camera is stationary or not. If so, you may be able to plan a path which will be out of the view range of the camera. If it is movable, you will have to take your chances. Light control sensor: This utilizes a Passive InfraRed (PIR) sensor to detect the body heat emitted from someone entering the detection area, and can activate a light or other alarm. PIR's will be discussed in Part II of this series. The sensor has an option called: 'night only mode' in which a light will flash when a person enters the area, but only during night hours. It can tell if its dark by either a photoelectric sensor, or by a clock. Of course if its daylight savings time, the clock may not be totally accurate, which can be used to your advantage. If it is photoelectric, you can simply place a flashlight pointing directly into the sensor during daylight hours. When it gets dark, the photoelectric sensor will still 'think' its day since there is sufficient light, thus, not activating the unit to detect alarm conditions. This should enable you to move within the area at will.

Buried Seismic Sensors:

Seismic detectors are designed to identify an intruder by picking up the sound of your footsteps or other noises related to passing through the protected area. These sensors have a range of about 20 feet and are buried underground and linked by a cable, which carries their signals to a processor. There, the signals are amplified and equalized to eliminate frequencies that are unrelated to intruder motion. The signals are converted to pulses that are compared with a standard signal threshold. Each pulse that crosses this threshold is tested on count and frequency. If it meets all the criteria for a footstep, an alarm is triggered. These sensors can even be installed under asphalt or concrete by cutting a trench through the hard surface. It is also immune to weather and can follow any type of terrain. The only restriction is that the area of detection must be free of any type of obstruction such as a tree or a bush.

Electronic Field Sensor:

These detect an intruder by measuring a change in an electric field. The field sensors use a set of two cables, one with holes cut into the cable shielding to allow the electromagnetic field to 'leak' into the surrounding area. The other cable is a receiver to detect the field and any changes in it. Objects passing through the field distort it, triggering an alarm. This sensor can either be buried or free standing, and can follow any type of terrain. But its very sensitive to animals, birds, or wind blown debris, thus, if it is very windy out, and you know this is being used, you can get some paper and throw it so the wind takes it and sets off the alarm repeatedly. If it is done enough, they may temporarily turn it off, or ignore it due to excessive false alarms. It is not hard to tell if these devices are in use. You cannot see them, but you don't have to. Simply get 3-4 medium sized stones. Throw them into the place where you think the protected area is. Repeat this several times. This works on the lesser advanced systems that have trouble distinguishing this type of seismic activity from human walking/running. If nothing happens, you can be reasonably sure this is not in use. Now that you can detect it, how do you defeat it? Well as far as the electronic field sensor is concerned, you should wait for a windy night and cause excessive false alarms and hope they will turn it off. As far as the seismic sensors, you can take it one step at a time, very softly, maybe one step every 30-60 seconds. These sensors have a threshold, say, two or more consecutive footsteps in a 30 second time interval will trigger the alarm. Simply take in one step at a time, slowly, and wait, then take another step, wait, until you reach your destination. These detectors work on the assumption that the intruder has no knowledge of the device, and will walk/run across the protected area normally, thus, causing considerable seismic vibrations. The problem with this method is that it will take you some time to pass through the protected area. This means there is more of a chance that you will be seen. If there are a lot of people going in and out of the facility, you may not want to use this method. Another way would be to run across the protected area, right next to the door, (assuming that is where the response team will come out) and drop a large cat or a dog there. When they come out, they will hopefully blame the alarm on the animal. The sensor shouldn't really pick up a smaller animal, but odds are the security force are contract guards who wouldn't know the capabilities of the device and the blame would fall on the animal and not you, assuming there were no cameras watching...

Microwave Systems:

In an outdoor microwave system, a beam of microwave energy is sent from a transmitter to a receiver in a conical pattern. Unlike indoor microwave detectors, which detect an intruders' movement in the microwave field, the outdoor system reacts to an intruders' presence by detecting the decrease in energy in the beam. The beams can protect an area up to 1500 feet long and 40 feet wide. All transmission is line-of-sight and the area between transmitter and receiver should be kept clear of trees and other objects that can block the beam. Microwave systems can operate in bad weather, and won't signal an alarm due to birds or flying debris. These systems work on the Doppler effect, in which they detect motion that changes the energy, and sets off an alarm. These devices will usually be placed inside a fence to avoid false alarms. These devices are very easy to visually detect. They are posts from 1-2 yards high, about 6 inches by 6 inches and there are 2 of them, one receiver and one transmitter. In some cases there will be more, which enables them to protect a larger area. To defeat this, you can enter the field, very slowly, taking one step at a time but each step should be like you are in slow motion. It doesn't matter how hard you hit the ground, since it doesn't detect seismic activity, only how fast you approach the field. If you take it very slowly you may be able to get past. Detectors of this type get more and more sensitive as you approach the posts. Ergo, choose a path which will lead you furthest away from the posts.

Photoelectric Systems:

These systems rely on an invisible barrier created by beams of infrared light sent from a light source to a receiver. When the beam is interrupted, the alarm sounds. The beam can have an effective range of up to 500 feet. Multiple beams can be used to increase the effectiveness of the system, making it harder for you to climb over or crawl under the beams. Photoelectric systems can be prone to false alarms as a result of birds or wind-blown debris passing through the beam. The problem can be corrected by the installation of a circuit that requires the beam to be broken for a specified amount of time before an alarm is sounded. Weather conditions like heavy fog, can also interrupt the beam and cause an alarm. This can also be corrected by a circuit that reacts to gradual signal loss. These systems should not face directly into the rising or setting sun since this also cuts off the signal beam. As you can see this system has many problems which you can take advantage of to bypass this system. As with any system and method, surveillance of the facility should be accomplished in various weather conditions to help verify the existence of a particular detection device, and to see how they react to false alarms. Many times, you will be able to take advantage of various conditions to accomplish your mission. If there is only one set of devices (transmitter and receiver), try to estimate the distance of the sensors from the ground. You can then either crawl under or jump over the beam. This also works on the assumption that the intruder will not recognize that the device is in use.

Guards: There are two types, in-house or company paid guards and contract guards. Contract guards are less secure since they do not work for the facility and if they make a mistake they simply get transferred to another facility no big deal. In-house guards know the facility better and have more to lose, thus, they are probably more security conscious. Be aware of any paths around the perimeter in which guards can/will walk/ride to visually inspect the exterior of the facility.

Central monitoring: Monitoring of the devices mentioned in this article is usually accomplished at a 'Central Station' within the facility. Usually, guards *SHOULD* be monitoring these. If you have planned well enough, you may find that the guard leaves his/her post to do various things at the same time every night. This would be an ideal time to do anything that may be seen by cameras. Unfortunately, there will probably be more than one guard making this nearly impossible.

Gates: Probably the easiest way to pass through the perimeter is to go through the gate. Whether in a car, or by walking. This may not be too easy if it is guarded, or if there is a card reading device used for entry.

Diversions: In some cases, a diversion could better insure your passage through the perimeter. Keep this in mind.

Hope this helps people in there ops, and if anyone has more info then please post it here.

thank you and good luck.



[This message has been edited by Sam Fisher (edited 08-06-2003).]

I'm fairly new at the whole night time exploring thing but I live in an area with lots of commercial construction around which makes for good interior views. One interesting thing I have discovered is that most buildings with flat roofs have trap doors on top that don't appear to have any locking mechanisim. I have opened one before, but there was a janitor in the building at the time so I didn't actually go walk around. Once you open the door there is usually a seven step ladder leading into the building. Well I hope this helps someone have a little fun.

Sage advice, Sam Fisher. Where did you find all that? (PS: Splinter Cell rocks.)

The big mountain op I posted about here before has pretty much been planned out. I hope to execute it this Friday night. I'll let you all know how it goes

-Infrared

excellent, I canat wait to hear about this ops....

quote:Originally posted by Sam Fisher:

MP5SD airsoft

Is there any other kit that would be helpful for this operation ?



Don't take this as a flame, but rather as crucial advice.

You would be an absolute fucking fool to bring an airsoft gun with you. What would it be used for? Nothing. Would it be a hassle to carry? Yes. Would you be legally FUCKED UP THE ASS if caught? Yes. Is there a chance of you being shot at if caught? Definately. (By legally fucked up the ass, I mean this... If you get caught trespassing, and you get prosecuted, the punishment is going to be a lot more severe when you get caught with a loaded gun.)

You're trespassing on what appears to be some sort of military-like compound. Do you really think they are going to hesitate to protect whatever it is they are protecting when they see someone with an exact 1:1 copy of a machine gun?

Bad idea. Bad fucking idea.

This all sounds awsome, and as a night-time person I think I will enjoy it. I'm going on vacation to Los Angelas, California on Friday and want to do something there. It's a quiet little housing community called Playa Del Ray, lots of yards and huge houses with rich people. It shouldn't be hard at all to get out of the house, and I doubt I'll encounter anything more serious than the stupid mutt next door, who never shuts up. How do I deal with him?

I have at my disposal a knife, which I plan on taking, a backpack, flashlights, loads of black clothing, matches, paperclips (do not mock the almighty paperclip!), a pocket knife with mini-scissors and uhh stuff. Anything else I'll need, or anything unique to LA that might screw my plans?

Right after I shut the computer down, my brain starts functioning again. My, isn't life ironic. Ok, added to list: big scissors, candles (for use with matches if flashlights die) additional knives, extra batteries, screwdrivers and the like.

However, encountered huge problem. How the fuck do I get knives past airport security?!?! It's incredibly tight at LAX and Dulles, last year even before I had a punky look and a no care additude, they made me take off my shoes. I was wearing sandals. Really sad. Now they'll search me extra for sure. My brother's bringing an X-box along, last time they spent extra time determining that it was not a bomb, but then just waved it through. Could I use it to hide them somehow? Or perhaps put the knives in a special container that wouldn't be pierced by the x-rays? Too late to ship, and too expensive and conspicuous. Damn, and it seemed like such an awsome idea. Maybe I could just hope that security would let a pocket knife go through...?

No way in hell they'll let a pocket knife through. They don't even let nail files through.

about the silenced pistol part, why not just get a small crossbow ad take the dart out of the dog after it goes down?(I am completely agenst killing dogs and find it much funner to sneak by them. or you can start barking yourself beforehand to wake up its owner and take it inside.)

This is one of those rare Bad Ideas that actually sounds like fun...

My first nightime op.

The test of my skills.

Equipment:Black BDU

Lock picks

Knife

Flashlight

Binoculars

Place:Fairly big retirement community for the wealthy.

Setting:Warm, Rainy night light up by streetlights.

Time:1:15am

Threats:Streetlights, Security Guards(only 2), and the people who call them.

Objectives:Break in, and get from the front to the back, and back out without being seen.

Breaking in:I look through the gate to make sure no one is coming and pick the padlock as qiuckly as possible.

As I walk in, I hide in a cluster of very small palm trees and scope out the area. No gaurds or people.

I walk along a dark area against the wall. I make sure no one is looking and run in an open area that is light up by a streetlight(this was neccesary to get to another dark area). I hide on the dark side of the house to make sure no one is coming, and run to another house which has darkness.

I do this for six more houses, and do the same for the way back.

Problems that occured 1)On the second house I heard a voice and a dog barking. I hide in the bush on the side of the house and look. Thank god, its just a man walking his dog. Oh shit! The dog heads my way. It stops about 20 feet short(it only moved about 5 feet though, yeah i was a little paranoid, but thats only because it was my first time doing this), sniffs a pile of shit and takes a piss(and so do I).

(2)On my way back I hear the humming of a golf cart and rays of light from a flashlight. I hide in a bush and check my watch. It's 2:01. I studied this place for a couple days before i did this and found that every night the security guards do a routine ride at 12, 2, and 4(and other times too, but those are irrelevant). I waited for them to leave and continued my exit.

Time of exit:2:26am

Thing I learned during this adventure: Old rich people like to fuck(3 houses had this going on), yell, and walk their fancy pets.

And these peolple need a lot better security than what they have.



So, how do you guys think i did for my first nighttime op?

Sounds like you did pretty good for yourself. You cased the area (hopefully not being too obvious about it), made a plan, and watched your ass. Did you have a good time, though? If you didn't, you fucked up

My only advice; don't wear black BDU's, wear the dark blue kind. Trust me. Solid black is not the natural color of night, so if somebody is looking hard enough, black will give you an outline. In dark blue, you'll blend in better with the darkness, and have much much less of an outline.

Otherwise, it sounds like you did good. Congratulations on your first op. It only gets more exciting from here

-Infrared

Good,I'm doing one too,tonight,in my neibors yard,oh yea that ninjitsu advice,I took 4 years of shaolin shuan fa,or another name for it is shaolin kenpo kung fu,sp that was quite easy to learn,I'll report back tomorrow.

I had A really good time and will be doing this again soon. And yes I know to wear dark blue, and I was. I just said black because because I couldn't think of what color to call it, plus it looks more black than blue because it is so dark.

quote:Originally posted by Slithzerikai:

No way in hell they'll let a pocket knife through. They don't even let nail files through.

I unknowingly had a larger-sized pocket knife in my carry-on when I went to Europe and back. They never found out.

quote:Originally posted by Phlab:



Don't take this as a flame, but rather as crucial advice.

You would be an absolute fucking fool to bring an airsoft gun with you. What would it be used for? Nothing. Would it be a hassle to carry? Yes. Would you be legally FUCKED UP THE ASS if caught? Yes. Is there a chance of you being shot at if caught? Definately. (By legally fucked up the ass, I mean this... If you get caught trespassing, and you get prosecuted, the punishment is going to be a lot more severe when you get caught with a loaded gun.)

You're trespassing on what appears to be some sort of military-like compound. Do you really think they are going to hesitate to protect whatever it is they are protecting when they see someone with an exact 1:1 copy of a machine gun?

Bad idea. Bad fucking idea.

The MP5SD airsoft at first was to make me look "cool" LOL that was when i was younger, It has got me out of some shit before, basicaly two years ago i got a little big headed(you'll have to watch out for this), and was seen by a security guard and he started to run at me and i panicked and ran but got caught in a dead end he runs around the corner and stops, he starts to speak in to his radio. Next thing i know i've just shot him twice in the chest and three times in the leg, I didn't even stop to say sorry.

The compound that i am going to infiltrate can't be "military" i'm prety sure of that as no one carrys any form of Weapon, and it's not really defended like a military base.

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quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

Sage advice, Sam Fisher. Where did you find all that? (PS: Splinter Cell rocks.)

The big mountain op I posted about here before has pretty much been planned out. I hope to execute it this Friday night. I'll let you all know how it goes

-Infrared

Where did i find all that info ?

Use info.com it basicaly searches 12 or so search engines at a time and it's quick too.

Type something like infiltration manuals or something.



Hope this helps.

This is a kickass thread...

And I thought I was the only one that went prowling around at night for the hell of it. I live in a quite built-up part of town so I'd look a little suspicious with a BDU and airsoft gun strolling down the street. I normally have just dark clothing and a small dark cloth backpack.

Once I was in a large park however, on the way to a storage yard that was full of interesting stuff. It was pitch black. Suddenly about 5 or 6 drunken townies came out of nowhere and started messing about very near me. I was dressed head to toe in black and they came within 10 feet of me but never noticed I was there...

quote:Originally posted by RevolutionNov7th:

This is a kickass thread...

And I thought I was the only one that went prowling around at night for the hell of it. I live in a quite built-up part of town so I'd look a little suspicious with a BDU and airsoft gun strolling down the street. I normally have just dark clothing and a small dark cloth backpack.

Once I was in a large park however, on the way to a storage yard that was full of interesting stuff. It was pitch black. Suddenly about 5 or 6 drunken townies came out of nowhere and started messing about very near me. I was dressed head to toe in black and they came within 10 feet of me but never noticed I was there...



A few months ago i was out testing my stealth/camouflage skills at around 10pm it was dark as fuck. So i'm going along and suddenly i hear a great big "Aye Neeeeed i Pish" (the guy was stoned but i understood him) i dive(stealth like ofcourse) for the nearest cover right in a bush.

Waiting.

Waiting, then i sense something beside me i slowly look up and "what the fuck" luckily for me i said it in my head. This stoned guy is pissing on me, but hadn't seen me, then he zips up then staggers away, i go home and find all this green dog shit all down my side from inside the bush.

quote:Originally posted by Sam Fisher:



The compound that i am going to infiltrate can't be "military" i'm prety sure of that as no one carrys any form of Weapon, and it's not really defended like a military base.

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Oh so you don't know what kind of base it is? I mean you should gather some intel on this place. And oh yeah check out my previous post.



quote:Originally posted by Sam Fisher:

Where did i find all that info ?

Use info.com it basicaly searches 12 or so search engines at a time and it's quick too.

Type something like infiltration manuals or something.



Hope this helps.

That stuff is also in the "how to become a hitman" guide on this site. In the bad Ideas area.



quote:Originally posted by Sam Fisher:



Q.What kind of complex are we talking about?

A.It's just a heavily guarded complex, no one knows what it is or what it's used for, there's always trucks that leave but always on differet times and days(nights).

Q.Why do you want to enter?

A.To find out what the fuck is in the heavily guarded building.



Q.What are your excuses usually for leaving the house?

A.It's a buzz to leave the house and "sneak" into the "unknown".



I would also be qurious about what's in there and what's going on in there? I would say go for it but be carefull, you have no idea what you'll find in there. Maby you should just study the outside. You can tell alot by looking at a building.



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Where do you guys buy your masks because i have been searching for a nice one. I have one but it is black and way too hot and scratchy.

The only way for me to find out what's in there is to "sneak" into the compound, But i will gather more intel first.

I'll will infiltrate in two weeks time.

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You have the right to spy, steal, destroy and assassinate, to ensure that American freedoms are protected. If captured, the U.S. government will disavow any knowledge of your existence.

You are Sam Fisher.

You are a Splinter Cell.

Sam Fisher - You are gonna get killed man..lol

I agree with the "no airsoft gun" thing. I don't mean to be insulting either, but it would be very stupid to carry one with you, for all the reasons the other poster mentioned. Besides, they serve no purpose whatsoever, other than to scare the shit out of a guard and end up getting you shot (don't discount the possibility that they're carrying concealed weapons, or can call for armed backup). I know that sounds extreme, but take ZERO chance.

I do recommend bringing a sharp, reliable, black (or otherwise non-reflective, but preferably black) knife with you, for pure utility purposes (by no means should you ever weild it as a weapon, even if you fuck up and get caught). One thing: Keep the knife somehow concealed! That way, again if you should be discovered, you're not spotted with a big damn knife on your ankle. Your goal is to get through unseen and unheard, and leave no traces, but you always have to have a contingency plan. If you're caught with an Airsoft gun and a Buck knife on your hip, you're either going to get arrested or shot. Just a few pointers. Hope that op is fun, but if it IS military (and you can confirm it), stay away from it

-Infrared



EDIT: Post #50. yeehaw.

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quote:Originally posted by hebobbit:

Sam Fisher - You are gonna get killed man..lol



Why do you say that ?

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

I agree with the "no airsoft gun" thing. I don't mean to be insulting either, but it would be very stupid to carry one with you, for all the reasons the other poster mentioned. Besides, they serve no purpose whatsoever, other than to scare the shit out of a guard and end up getting you shot (don't discount the possibility that they're carrying concealed weapons, or can call for armed backup). I know that sounds extreme, but take ZERO chance.

I do recommend bringing a sharp, reliable, black (or otherwise non-reflective, but preferably black) knife with you, for pure utility purposes (by no means should you ever weild it as a weapon, even if you fuck up and get caught). One thing: Keep the knife somehow concealed! That way, again if you should be discovered, you're not spotted with a big damn knife on your ankle. Your goal is to get through unseen and unheard, and leave no traces, but you always have to have a contingency plan. If you're caught with an Airsoft gun and a Buck knife on your hip, you're either going to get arrested or shot. Just a few pointers. Hope that op is fun, but if it IS military (and you can confirm it), stay away from it

-Infrared



EDIT: Post #50. yeehaw.

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There is no evidence to show that it is a military compound.

As for the MP5SD lets just say it's got a lot of pro's, but mostly con's i won't take it on this operation.

Another thing does anyone know if you were to spray bullets with teflon they'll go through armour ?

As for spraying bullets with teflon to make them go through armor: no.

Doing that will just lead to more barrel fouling. If you want your bullets to go through armor, look for at least steel-core ammo, and at best, true military AP ammo. If your gun is caliber .308/7.62X51 or .223/5.56, surplus AP ammo can be found. Surplused rifle AP ammo is legal to own, but not handgun. IF you can even find AP handgun ammo, the stuff is highly illegal, so don't touch it. Also, I hope you don't plan on shooting any cops or anything

seriously. Last thing we need is another shooting. And the usual disclaimer: I'm only telling you about all this for information; etc, etc.

-Infrared

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

As for spraying bullets with teflon to make them go through armor: no.

Doing that will just lead to more barrel fouling. If you want your bullets to go through armor, look for at least steel-core ammo, and at best, true military AP ammo. If your gun is caliber .308/7.62X51 or .223/5.56, surplus AP ammo can be found. Surplused rifle AP ammo is legal to own, but not handgun. IF you can even find AP handgun ammo, the stuff is highly illegal, so don't touch it. Also, I hope you don't plan on shooting any cops or anything

seriously. Last thing we need is another shooting. And the usual disclaimer: I'm only telling you about all this for information; etc, etc.

-Infrared





I was just curious as i seen it a film called "ronin"(shit hot film may i add).

As for shooting cops, no way there are better pleasures in life.

I do not own any form of fire arm apart from my airsoft, nor would i go and buy a fire arm.

And that guy wanting to know how to smuggle a knife through airport security, what the fuck !!! WHY ??? O.K it might be innocent

The mountain op was executed. An outline:

The plan was changed to where, instead of inserting in the day and camping until dark, we would just insert in the dark, at the time I wanted to begin. My accomplice dropped me off at what would later be the extraction point, and I hiked my way in. I ran into no problems, other than a steep hill that I couldn't get up, so I had to swing around it (it cost me all 0f 5 minutes). I was in position, maybe 400 yards from the cabin, so I laid down in a covered position and I scanned, with both night vision and normal binocs, for a good 30 minutes. I checked, checked, and checked again for any patrol, any movement, any activity whatsoever. There was one person inside the cabin, but he didn't look like a guard, so I concluded he was just the closing employee. I waited, and after about 8 minutes, he came out, and I watched him walk to the ski lift and take it down. Just a note; there is a ski lift on the other side of the mountain which leads from a big parking lot up to the cabin and restaurant. it's of course closed to everyone else during the night, just like the rest of the park, but the employees take it down at the end of the day. That's what he did

So I made sure no one else was around, and snuck over in the darkest shadows I could find and got my back up against the cabin's wall, and made my way slowly to the now-dark front entrance and picked that lock as fast as I could. It took me about 40 seconds, maybe. I got in, locked the door behind me, crouched down and looked out back behind me with the night vision, to make sure no one saw me. Nobody way

inside the cabin, there was a panel of light switches, covered by one of those locked, clear-plastic type things to keep people from fucking with the switches during the day. I could have picked it and turn the lights on, but I wouldn't have dared. Instead, I made my way systematically through the cabin, very tempted to swipe some of the overpriced tourist merch, but I didn't dare. I had a look around in the snack bar's kitchen; nothing interesting there, just filthy grease traps. I won't be eating there, ever.

I finished my exploring, and then I took my SRK and carved a single, deep line in the wood on the wall; not very obvious, but if I'm ever up there again, I'll see that and remember the incursion.

When I was done, I made my way out the employee exit (it auto-locks, so I was glad I didn't have to LOCK it with the picks). This exit faced the direction I needed to head, so first I crouched down and did more NV recon; no one around. I then left, and hoofed it at a rather good pace through the forest (I would still stop every so often and recon, just in case there WAS a patrol I somehow missed, and perhaps any deadly wildlife). I made it back to the extraction point, only to find my FUCKING accomplice wasn't there. I waited for about 3 minutes and suddenly he speeds up, but I was still pissed at him, because it was a bit of a wrench in the machine. As I was getting into the car, I heard a siren off in the distance (WAY in the distance), and I was suddenly scared, wondering if perhaps there was some silent alarm or something that I tripped. Nothing ever came of that, we just made it out of there with no fuss, no traffic, nothing. It was a successful op, although I wished there was more to do in the cabin (besides swipe things). It's not much more interesting a place at night, lol.

So there. Operation a success, because fun was still had, and my ass wasn't arrested.

-Infrared

DISCLAIMER TO OFFICIAL ENTITIES: This story is fictitious; none of these events actually took place, nor is this an expression, threat, or implication that they ever will.

I too have been sneakin out at night. It's good to see other "nighttime explorers" on totse. Well where to start oh yes...Me and another friend are planning on infiltration a neighbors house..i know i shouldn't go into a neighbors house because it's too close but i have to do it. It's weird three neighbors of mine have fucked my life over they vandalize and break into my house whenever i am out of town and i am sick of it. Well i am going to do it but i need a way to either knock out the power or knock out the flood lights they have in front of their house(BB gun??). Any suggestions? By the way i am going to try to retrieve some stolen goods they took from me....that is why i am doing it my grandpa gave me a civil war musket and it's seriously pissin me off that they stole it...I might even have to go into all the houses on the same night any suggestions? thanx guys

quote:Originally posted by Nifareus:

I too have been sneakin out at night. It's good to see other "nighttime explorers" on totse. Well where to start oh yes...Me and another friend are planning on infiltration a neighbors house..i know i shouldn't go into a neighbors house because it's too close but i have to do it. It's weird three neighbors of mine have fucked my life over they vandalize and break into my house whenever i am out of town and i am sick of it. Well i am going to do it but i need a way to either knock out the power or knock out the flood lights they have in front of their house(BB gun??). Any suggestions? By the way i am going to try to retrieve some stolen goods they took from me....that is why i am doing it my grandpa gave me a civil war musket and it's seriously pissin me off that they stole it...I might even have to go into all the houses on the same night any suggestions? thanx guys

Eh why don't you call the cops ?

All right guys:

I made a body stealth suit. Its basically some dark blue pants,with the extra material stapled out of the way so theres no swishing sound. The rubberboots are stapled to the cargo pants, same with knee pads. I have a dark blue turtle neck with some gloves(no fingerprints)



Now, would it be worth shelling out about 300 dollars for some NVG's that go on the head? Or what about thermal goggles, how much do they cost?

a couple weeks ago me my girlfriend and a couple other friends got drunk in my backyard me and my girlfriend decided to go for a "walk" actually we just wanted a place where we can be alone so we go to the developement pool and climb over their 8ft fence strip down naked and go in the pool the one side of the pool has these 2 bench like things built into the wall that are about 5-8 foot each anyway we sat on those submerged up to our shoulders and chilled there for a bit then we start kissing and shit and then we fucked this was only the second time I fucked her so it was an amazing experience she is on birth control so Im not worried about her being pregnant and we both lost our virginity to each other so Im not to worried about stds all in all it was a great night. my equptment list consisted off absolutely nothing not even clothes lol

then a couple weeks later 2 of my friends got arrested for underage drinking at the playground right next to the pool 2 in the morning but thats not really an exploring mission.

First off: A pair of night vision goggles, even some of the lowest-end types, are usually at least $500. Anything under that I actually wouldn't recommend, because it's bound to be damaged somehow, or made with inferior parts. Also, try to stay away from used NV gear if you can't inspect it first: Sometimes you may get a deal, but other times, you may get a piece that some idiot decided to expose to bright light, thus permanently damaging the picture. If you can test them out in the dark first, do it, but by no means should you buy used NV's (or for that matter, used just about anything) sight-unseen. As for thermals: One, in all my searching, I have never found a pair of <i>goggles</i> that we as civvies can own. Two, the thermal imaging gear I did find, which is more akin to a handheld video camera, was, oh, $17,000. If I had the money, I would do it, lol.

As for the guy who's thinking of taking back his stuff: Do it, on a night when they're gone, and what I recommend is learning to pick locks. Do that, so that way you can gain entry in total silence, instead of having to throw a brick through a window. What you should also make a point of doing is stealing some other items, in addition to what is yours. If you only take the things that were yours, they'll immediately finger you. It'd be funny to see them call the cops though: "Yeah, this dude robbed my house..I know it was him because all he took were his items; the ones I stole from him before!"

That, and besides, get back at the fucker and take something he will miss too. It serves him right. Whatever you do, watch your ass - both out in the field and in the pre- and post-op stages. Plan everything out. Leave no fingerprints, no traces, no footprints, nothing. That brings to mind one little thing: If you anticipate finding yourself in a situation where you MUST leave tracks, cover the bottom of your boots (you'd better be using boots. lol) with duct tape (And wear latex gloves while handling the tape). Footprints are a bad thing, but should they be discovered, they can't trace them.

Good luck to all my fellow operatives out there.

-Infrared

>El Bumpo<

Just as a side note to this mostly-bump post, there's another house that's been emptied and is now for sale on this block. I'll be exploring it soon - I wonder if I'll find any strange pairs of panties on the bedroom floor? lol

-Infrared

That guy who wants to get his stuff back of those fuckheads:

don't do it when theyre home. easiest way to get a load of buckshot up yer arse. When you are there, break EVERYTHING. they wont have insurance being poor stealing cunts. then make sure they cant break in again, OR make it look like you have gone out, but havnt, and shoot them when they come in ur house. its legal. make sure u kill the swine. stealing a present of ur grandad is low.

mission i did last night: went into neighbours yard, took all their toys and arranged them into the word 'hi'. it was really cool, considering we are very close to our neighbours and they talked about it for ages and were like scared lol.

Hah, that's a good one. I'd almost do that, but then again, it leaves signs of infiltration (duh). My neighbor has lots of lawn gnomes..maybe I should liberate them?

-Infrared

>El Bumpo<

what do you think about night vision, is a cheap ($150 or less) monocular scope worth it? or better spent on something else...

quote:Originally posted by Majestic:

what do you think about night vision, is a cheap ($150 or less) monocular scope worth it? or better spent on something else...

They're a good, cheap way to see in the dark. Just don't expect perfection from them. They will let you see well enough in the dark, but some things will still remain too dark to see (such as darker corners that are further away, etc). I use one with 2.5X magnification on my ops, though I plan to buy some goggles eventually

-Infrared

heres basically what i take on a mission

*i wear commercial (hunting) camo clothing, its better than army stuff

*slr bayonet

*army boots

if its a mission far away, i take webbing and water and those army bags full of useful stuff.

btw yes i know i am a try hard rambo lol

Tonight I'm going to recce a compound of about 1 square kilometer that is fenced in.

I'm taking with me:

*All dark blue/grey clothes

*Running gloves (very thin)

*Leatherman ripoff and swiss army knife

*Binos (x10)

And just for shits and giggles I'm bringing 20 explosive balls that ignite under pressure to put in a parking lot inside the compound. They are hard to see and when a car drives over it it creates a small flash and a large noise.

Just got back from the op and it went off without a hitch. It was 11pm and raining moderately. I climbed over a back gate that offered the most cover from roads/houses and quickly found the only footpath that led around the back of the building unfortunatly it was only 3 meters from the fence that blocked off the road.

I took a small detour and found a path that led between two buildings and was very dark and led to a ladder up to the roof of one of the buildings. I crawled up and had to creep under a large air vent to get to the greater part of the roof and I stayed there for one or two minutes peering into rooms in other buildings in the compound.

I climbed back down and continued along the main path around the back of the building and just as I turned around the corner to get to the main area in the compound three women walked along the road adjacent to the compound and were within 30 feet of me. Since I was walking stealthily the whole time they never saw/heard me and as soon as I saw the I froze and crouched. After they passed I continued on to the main part of the compound.

The main part is maybe 150ft by 150ft of field surrounded by classrooms. I walked around the whole field whilst hugging the walls that surrounded it. I spotted a stairwell that led onto the roof that connected most of the buildings. I climbed up the stairwell and before I was one story high I encountered a gate, fortunatly, it was not locked and the bolt could slide back silently.

I got to the roof and hopped a fence (locked this time) to gain access to a large tower with gas lines and airvents coming out of it and what looked like a large breaker box nearby. I climbed the tower and used my binos to look around the compound.

I got back to ground level and made my way towards the pools. There was a large olympic pool and a small wading pool. I had to hop another fence to get into the pool area. Once I was next to the pools a car came by on the adjacent road and I hid behind the 5 foot wall until it passed. I got out of the pool area and back into the field area and hopped out a different entrance than the one I came in.

Disclaimer: This is fiction and never happened nor will it ever.

Sup everyone, I'm new to the thread but not to the topic at hand. Just made a guillie suit at home, and its incredible. Needed one for trainning and didnt want to spend the cash so heres what I did...

Needs:

1 set of broken-in cammie BDU's

2 green sea bags

2 - 3 burlap bags

1 Hot glue gun w/ glue sticks

1 sewing kit

1 boonie cover

Steps:

1) Cut strips off of green sea bag to cover from 6 inches above to 6 inces below knees and elbows of BDU's.

2) Cover one side of strips with hot glue and place over knee and elbow parts of uniform

3) Rip off lower pockets on BDU blouse, and place them on the biceps (slanted) of the uniform using hot glue and sewing kit. The reason for this is, while in the prone, easier to reach food, ammo, ect.

4) Take 2 large peices of sea bag and place over the torso of BDU blouse (where other pockets were). (these areas are high wear and tear, thus requiring more protection.)

5) Rip the rest of the sea bag and the burlap bags into strips ranging from 1/2 - 2 inches wide and from 3 - 12 inches long and glue/sew as pleased among the entire outfit. Remember, there are no straight lines in nature so thats what your trying to break up.

6) Take the boonie cover and do the same with the burlap and sea bag strips, making your head apear as a mound proturding from the edges of your shoulders.

7) let everything dry and add more glue/burlap/sea bag as you feel neccessary.

8) Get DIRTY! Make it nasty, drag it in the dirt, stuff it all into a garbage can full of dirty water and let sit for a week or so. Pull out and let dry in the sun.

I added straps so that it rolls up and clips to the back of my LBV.

Now I know if you get compromised, then your gonna have alot of explaining to do, being a walking bush and all, but just do what I do... Don't get yourself into a compromising situation, and sure as hell dont go wearing one in an urban environment (yea, no shit).

With the recipe above, I've been 3 feet from people who were LOOKING for me, and they walked right along. If you continually train with a guillie (and it does take trainning, cause its hot as F*#@! and bulky), you'd be shocked at the intel you can gather.

Also thinking of doing one with all black fabrics and BDU's... Any input on that idea. Any military bubbas frequent this thread?

DeerHunterUSMC

I done some research on the compound that i'm going to infiltrate and guess what... ?

It used to be a paper mill, "BUT" closed down four years ago and no one is supposed to be there ???

So what the fuck ???

I'm going to set up a OP inside the compound and i'll make ghillie suit (thanks to DeerHunterUSMC for the briliant instructions) and basicaly lie there for seven days straight and find out what it really is used for.

(oh yeah what the fuck is "sea bag")



You have the right to spy, steal, destroy and assassinate, to ensure that American freedoms are protected. If captured, the U.S. government will disavow any knowledge of your existence.

You are Sam Fisher.

You are a Splinter Cell.

Eum how did you find out that it used to be a old paper mill? Anyways this plot keeps ketting better and better. Keep us up to date. When are you going in?

(oh yeah what the fuck is "sea bag")



A Sea Bag is a military issued duffle bag, but its huge and very durable. They have em at cheaperthandirt.com for the best prices. Heres the link:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/product.asp?dept%5Fid=1603&sku=WX%2D122&imgid=&mscssid=NFG5M816JSXM9LGK4TCUL4HVJD2C1077

I found 2 are neccessary to get the job done. Remember to take into consideration the surroundings you will be in before making your suit (i.e. red clay, trees, leaves). Get creative, this is your baby.

quote:Originally posted by Sam Fisher:

[B]I done some research on the compound that i'm going to infiltrate and guess what... ?

It used to be a paper mill, "BUT" closed down four years ago and no one is supposed to be there ???

So what the fuck ???

B]



Another thing you might want to consider. Where does the garbage go from this compound. If you can get access to their garbage, youd be shocked at how much you could discover about this place. Everything from what kinda of food the people eat (do they care about themeselves or not?) to mail and waste materials (whatever theyre doing there). You don't neccessarily have to go jump in their dumpster if its hard to access, but find out where they dump it and go to work. Just a thought......

How did i find out it used to be a paper mill ?

I asked an old man walking his dog near the compound and he replied that he used to work there ten years ago as a mill worker, i asked what it was now and he replied with a "don't have a clue son" so i done a little research on the net and at my local library.

I will be going in next week.

I have a duffel bag, i just never knew it was called a sea bag, You mentiond red clay ?

You mean that you can make a ghille suit for red clay ?

I will look for the trash when i'm there, i would of never thought of going through the trash, thanks for that one.

See it's the little advice, no matter how trivial that makes ops interesting, got anymore advice ???

quote:Originally posted by Sam Fisher:

How did i find out it used to be a paper mill ?

I asked an old man walking his dog near the compound and he replied that he used to work there ten years ago as a mill worker, i asked what it was now and he replied with a "don't have a clue son" so i done a little research on the net and at my local library.

I will be going in next week.

I have a duffel bag, i just never knew it was called a sea bag, You mentiond red clay ?

You mean that you can make a ghille suit for red clay ?

I will look for the trash when i'm there, i would of never thought of going through the trash, thanks for that one.

See it's the little advice, no matter how trivial that makes ops interesting, got anymore advice ???

Well, a sea bag isnt just any duffle bag, its really thick heavy duty material, and its tightly woven. Make sure its the military issue or at least a mimic of that one.

If your gonna be in red clay, Id probably cake one of the burlap bags in red clay for a few days and then just smear it around, but thats up to you, I've never had to go there.

If I was to be trying to find information on a place like this, Id be looking for phone lines. Call directory services and ask for the old paper mill, if they start getting curious, I'd say "I forgot the name, but my dad works there and its a family emergency, my mom just went into labor". Its called social engineering. Go get "The Art of Deception" By Kevin Mitnick, it covers all the angles and is a great read.

Also, you might wanna scan the newspaper on microfilm at your local library covering the years since it was shut down, there could be little articles partially explaining who came into ownership of the plant and whatnot.

Like I said, use your imagination, you have more resources out there than youd beleive.

Just remember, no company is 100% secure, because every company has one thing. Employees, and it is only human to error, thus theres the doorway to whatever you want to know.

DeerHunterUSMC

The mill's phones have obviously been cut a long time ago, and havn't been back up since, I've asked people what the compound is and no one knows ?

I have spent four days in the library opening to closing, 48 hours straight on the net and i havn't came up with the info i didn't know already, the paper company that owned the compound have dissapeared (the guy died with no kids to take over and he didn't want some other punk to take over the long line of family business (Weird i know)look back to see the other info on the compound, I thought about following the trucks to see where they go but i don't have a car, and i can't ask my mate because no one knows i do this infiltrating, not even my closest family so shhhh and don't tell them !!!

And for another thought i will be taking my MP5SD with me for some serious protection, I'll have my SLR bayonet but i don't plan to get that close if i'm found especially when no one will know i'm there.

I'm gonna give myself an extra weeks planning starting with some arieal photographs "but" that give's me another stealthy op, since i have no aeroplane or the money to buy or rent i will have to climb up on top of a government building (the tallest building for a mile around) it's easy enough to climb half way up but there on will be a what's the word for it ? hazordous yeah that sounds right, there's cameras all over the building but none are facing the way i plan to go up, i will take five films of photographs then to make it a little bit exciting i will abseil down, yes that'll get the adrenaline pumping hahahaha

Or i could just infiltrate the airfield and get a big ass 'chute and glide in off the government building into the compound but that is just too "mission impossible" for me

ANY TIPS ???

I'M GONNA NEED 'EM !!!

If it's an open truck you maby could try to jump into the truck and get into the mill like that?

Tip: don't forget to take nodice about your footprints. In a plowed feeld it sticks right out. So watch your foot placement.

I suggest you write down every tip you find in this 6 page tread. It sounds like you're gonna need them all.

They're not open trucks, unfortunetly.

As for keeping a note i've made a little "file" it's basicly all the posts that i've made with the replies, and various other "bits and bobs" like photographs and detailed maps which i have made.

As for not leaving footprints in the ploughed field i was thinking (THIS MAY SOUND REALLY STUPID) of using miniture home-made stilts(WELL I DID WARN YOU).

Is that a fucked up idea or what, my excuse is that i havn't slept in like two days,I can't sleep i'm so excited it's like waking up on christmas day when you were like six

Those stilts is a stupid Idea. You would have to walk completly standing up and they would spot you from a mile away. I suggest you crawel tru the plowed feeld. they you can divide your weight over a surface and it shouldn't leave to much of a print

quote:Originally posted by sybil:

Those stilts is a stupid Idea. You would have to walk completly standing up and they would spot you from a mile away. I suggest you crawel tru the plowed feeld. they you can divide your weight over a surface and it shouldn't leave to much of a print

"MINITURE STILTS" Like 3 feet high, I'm fast as fuck on stilts.

I want to leave no trace at all, a single footprint and i'm in the shit with the cops or even the government !!!

quote:Originally posted by Sam Fisher:



What The Fuck ???

I meant, it Flour City Mills the place you're going after?

Sam-- can you email me with the place you're going for? Dad's an engineer, he might be able to get bluepints of the place.

For aireal photographs of the place go to

http://www.terraserverusa.com/

then go advanced find since you don't have a car i am assuming that it is near you. Type in your zip code and everything and it'll take you to your house. Then navigate through the map to find the compound. Print em out and everything perfect for maps.

for all you people that want to discreetly get some lockpicks and an idea about how to use them check this site out "httpwww.lysator.liu.semit-guidemit-guide.html" also, for the dude trying to cross the plowed field, how big is it? if it is to big then you will probably get caught while crossing it, but if it is small then you might try and bring a garden spade with you to cover your tracks. or even better, go across during a rainstorm so your tracks will be erased, if you think you can afford being muddy. good luck, and dont die.

quote:

ANY TIPS ???

I'M GONNA NEED 'EM !!![/B]

If it looks abandoned it probably is. Look for broken windows, notices of water termination, lack of lights, tagging, and overgrown plants.

Look for how a car would normally access the compound. Does it look used (tire tracks etc)? Find out how where and how the owners get in. Does it look used (brand spanking new lock, foot prints)? Try obstructing the entrance with an old tire or similarly annoying item. If it stays put abandonment is highly probable.

How qualified is the security (some hire off duty cops, others hire overweight high school drop outs)? Are they armed (telescoping batons, stun guns, mace, firearms)? Is the area “sensitive” and are you likely to have police show up? What is their response time? Some UE groups keep dossiers on their city’s security firms so check with them.

What luck, I am also thinking about a paper mill mission...

Security consists of an older overweight women and a deaf man employed by an inept security firm. (the name of the company is security spelled in ebonics, i kid you not).

As I hear a small *bump* in the background

I must thank you for the UE/security company info

helped lots.

(Things that go bump in the night)

Wow, after the Crest op, I'm a little short on ideas. There's no abandoned buildings or old paper mills to explore here; I could use some ideas. I did enter that other for-sale house I mentioned before, but nothing whatsoever happened. Sneak sneak, pick pick, explore explore, bored bored. NOTHING whatsoever in the house, they cleaned that one out good.

Man, I wish I was out East right now, where all the power's out. Forget looting; I could have a lot of fun doing any number of ops in complete darkness (albeit with a heavy cop presence, but that's what stealth is for).

I could use some ideas, bad. I need to do a little more (and different)recon; as in, look up on the internet and otherwise any abandoned areas, or perhaps looks for sewer maps, who knows. There are a lot of business complexes I could sneak into, but those will take a lot of planning, due to security, cameras, and who knows what else.

-Infrared

Why not up the danger level? Go to a non guarded compound but where there would be people roaming like 24/7. And then get in without leaving a trace?

Or sneak into a supermarket/mall and claim you where there over night.

Why not stay at a friends and break into your parents place (Assuming that you live at home.)

Yeah that last one was weak.

[This message has been edited by capn A (edited 08-16-2003).]

Infrared if you are really bored and depending on were you live, such as you whent every were on ops. i suggest you go and stay with a reliative. that is what i did. all you do is claim that you have been having some pretty bad insomnia and taking walks outside helps you get to sleep. i have done this loads of times. like i whent to my grandmas, she lives in seattle, so i was able to sneak into office complexs. over were i live is an industrial complex that is just 250 yards from were i live. and lately i have been bored over here so i think im going to go to my aunts house in portland this weekend. any recamendations.

I've got this headlamp with a "night vision" setting that runs two leds. Basically, I'm wondering does the red light help escape detection really? Right now I'm just thinking its not as obvious as white light. Maybe joe civilian would think "who the fuck would walk around with 2 red led's on a headlamp?" or something like that.

I've got some houses being constructed near me, any considerations for possible (night)infiltration? Do they usually lock doors and windows or leave a security detail? Lots of dumbass kids would probably go in and break windows and everything, so I'm thinking cops might be generally on the lookout.

quote:Originally posted by Majestic:

I've got this headlamp with a "night vision" setting that runs two leds. Basically, I'm wondering does the red light help escape detection really? Right now I'm just thinking its not as obvious as white light. Maybe joe civilian would think "who the fuck would walk around with 2 red led's on a headlamp?" or something like that.

I've got some houses being constructed near me, any considerations for possible (night)infiltration? Do they usually lock doors and windows or leave a security detail? Lots of dumbass kids would probably go in and break windows and everything, so I'm thinking cops might be generally on the lookout.

As for the headlamp; the red LEDs ARE visible, although less than white (as you said). What's meant by night vision in this case has to do with the fact that red light helps preserve your own natural night vision. You can see by it, and if you need to shut it off quickly, you aren't blind while you wait for your pupils to adjust to the darkness. It's good if you need to quickly read a map or something of the like, but don't leave it constantly on; somebody will spot you.

As for unfinished homes - that depends, do they even have doors/windows yet, or are they still in the wooden-frame stage? do some recon - get a good pair of binocs and find a neutral spot (somewhere offsite that's perfectly legal for you to be), dig in just a bit so Mr. Casual Observer doesn't see you somehow, and look. Watch for a good while, and come back several times, at different times. Most likely, the PD is too busy to watch those places that closely, but better safe than sorry. Your next step is to do forward recon - actually sneak over there and have a look around. Note whether or not there are doors and windows, and where they are, and if any doors even have knobs/locks yet (sometimes they don't). Then plan your mission accordingly (And tell us about it!)

-Infrared

Thanks for clarification on the red led's, that mode should come in handy (not bad for $12).

Preliminary recon on the houses shows varying stages of construction, some only framed, some with windows and doors. Not much as far as night time obstacles, except the occasional car curiously passing through. I'm not of the lock picking variety, so I'll just pass by the more finished houses and get in what I can. I'll post back when and if this op is completed with any success.

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

Hi, new poster. I've been lurking for several months now, so I thought I'd finally post. The usual "about me" shit:

Male, from New Mexico

I love: firearms; collecting, shooting, and modifying them. I also love MTV's Jackass (because I am a Jackass, I know), and video games, the usual shit.

I hate: wanna-be "individuals" (dressing and acting like everyone else is real fucking individual, ain't it), stupid people, and just about any seafood. I'd list more things I hate, but I don't need to make this any longer.

Turn-ons include Italian women (and allllll they can do), turn-offs include (of course) fat women (I mean FAT - I can handle a few extra pounds. Just a little plushiness is never a bad thing. Moderation, moderation.), all men, and poor hygiene, bad teeth, etc, etc.

Ok, enough about me, I bet you all hate me already :P

As for "Nighttime Ops"; Lately what I've been doing is going outside in the dead of night, clad in dark blue BDU pants and a long-sleeved T-type shirt, same color, and my Magnum Stealth boots. I steal quietly across the yard, and slip over the wall, into whichever neighbor's yard I feel like exploring at the moment. I'll go into garage doors and even go in the house, if opportunity provides. I know it's EXTREMELY stupid, and I expect to get shot someday, but that's beside the point. I don't even steal or disturb anything. Why the hell not, you say? My goal is to infiltrate, and leave no traces. No footprints in the yard, no busted locks, etc. I have a lot of fun, basically, believe it or not, even though I don't do much. Sometimes I'll go into a neighbor's yard, then hop the wall into THEIR neighbor's yard, etc. There's a thrill in exploring the unexplored yards, etc. I plan to expand these ops into business-type complexes around here, the mall, etc. I can also pick locks; I taught myself after buying a good set of picks.

So yeah, those are my (rather pathetic) nighttime ops. I'd love to have a silenced pistol to shoot any dogs with, but like I said, I don't want to leave any traces whatsoever; it's kind of hard to fail to notice a dead dog with three .45 bullet holes in it's chest.

Hmm, I'm done now, comments, flames, etc; welcome. Love the site, and the forums.

-Infrared

PS: To the user "Inphrared" (I think): I didn't intend to rip off your handle, I made this one before I knew you even existed

Somebody plays a little too much "splinter-cell" on xbox. You think your cool "lurking" you go into a garage or yard is one thing. But I find it highly unlikely u go into homes. Your stupid ass will get shot.

anyways....

No matter how much intelligence, stealth, technology and abilities you have. Perfect infiltration is still dangerous. You dont infiltrate a random property. You need to watch the property to find a good infiltration time. You need to find the proper way of stealthy entrance. You need the propter tools to bypass security such as dogs inside or outside, you need to watch for electronic devices and and locks. You need to be aware of whos may be watching you from other houses. You need to plan multiple exits. Sqeak sounds on floors inside, again dogs inside barking at you. Security systems, people still inside. Someone waiting for you with a gun. Police on the way if the neighbors call. Silent alarms, and much more.

Yeah that is also something I've been wondering about? when reading tru this tread I nodice that a lot op people get tru with only a lockpicking kit? I mean in Belgium there isn't almost a house left without an alarm system.

quote:Originally posted by Viper229:

Somebody plays a little too much "splinter-cell" on xbox. You think your cool "lurking" you go into a garage or yard is one thing. But I find it highly unlikely u go into homes. Your stupid ass will get shot.

anyways....

No matter how much intelligence, stealth, technology and abilities you have. Perfect infiltration is still dangerous. You dont infiltrate a random property. You need to watch the property to find a good infiltration time. You need to find the proper way of stealthy entrance. You need the propter tools to bypass security such as dogs inside or outside, you need to watch for electronic devices and and locks. You need to be aware of whos may be watching you from other houses. You need to plan multiple exits. Sqeak sounds on floors inside, again dogs inside barking at you. Security systems, people still inside. Someone waiting for you with a gun. Police on the way if the neighbors call. Silent alarms, and much more.



You know, this might have gotten under my skin, but it's obvious you haven't taken the time to read all the posts here before flaming me like a whiny little malcontent. Go read the posts; read about how meticulous and careful I and other posters are with matters such as security systems and tactics. Then 'u' can suck my dick.

Idiot.



-Infrared



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quote:Originally posted by Viper229:

Somebody plays a little too much "splinter-cell" on xbox. You think your cool "lurking" you go into a garage or yard is one thing. But I find it highly unlikely u go into homes. Your stupid ass will get shot.

anyways....

No matter how much intelligence, stealth, technology and abilities you have. Perfect infiltration is still dangerous. You dont infiltrate a random property. You need to watch the property to find a good infiltration time. You need to find the proper way of stealthy entrance. You need the propter tools to bypass security such as dogs inside or outside, you need to watch for electronic devices and and locks. You need to be aware of whos may be watching you from other houses. You need to plan multiple exits. Sqeak sounds on floors inside, again dogs inside barking at you. Security systems, people still inside. Someone waiting for you with a gun. Police on the way if the neighbors call. Silent alarms, and much more.



Although I think some of these people have been playing a bit much splinter cell, *cough* Sam Fisher, if you search on the web, you'll find a large underground community devoted to what we're talking about here, though nobody has stated it straight out. Basically, we're talking about urban exploration, which doesn't usually involve going into inhabited houses, or other well guarded areas. It is about going into interesting buildings and areas where the "general public" isn't allowed. The unwritten law is to "Take nothing but pictures and leave nothing but footprints". Yes, it is dangerous at times, and cops are one of many obstacles. But, as humans are curious creatures, I see nothing wrong in exercising that curiousity in such a constructive manner. We do not wonder whats in the abandoned building, storm sewer, or over the next wall, we find out. Perhaps you lack the courage or exploratory spirit to comprehend such a haphazard, if harmless activity, but we posses these characteristics. To so easily dismiss what you so obviously know nothing about is a true sign of ignorance, attacking what you do not understand.

Proper recon and infiltration procedures are followed, as such knowledge can be acquired through various released army and special forces handbooks. Proper equipment is used, to ensure the safety of the operator and keep general civilians like yourself from recognizing what you obviously do not believe even exists. This is all the better for us, and if you do see someone, call the police, they are a risk to themselves if they have not disapeared by the time they arrive, suspiciously at your door.

-Cheers

Majestic

Tool rocks. But I don't think that has much to do with ops

well, kind of. "There's a shadow just behind me" is relevant. Bah, I'm a little drunk myself

-Infrared

Im not new to this board but I am new to being registered.



For me nighttime operations is a hassle but still worth the enjoyment. Some houses have a small ledge that goes under the windows that is really useful for escaping a second story window and stepping onto a deck railing. In case your wondering I don't enter others homes but instead leave through my window.



Gates are one of the worst obstacles you can encounter in rural ops(in my opionion) They squeak, creak, and snap. My suggestion for climbing them is to move slowly with your weight distributed more on the higher leg than the lower. Also when moving try to move smoothly and at a steady rate. Otherwise the gate will start rocking back and forth making lots of snaps and creaks.



Wooden fences climb at the corners especially if the fence is smooth on each side. This also applies to gates with smooth sides. If the gate or fence is too high then get a long piece of webbing(tubing, whichever) tie a slipknot type knot to make a loop(this loop will go around a support post on the fence or gate) then tie other smaller loops that your footwear will fit into(dont make the loops too small)When out on an op place the slipknot around the fence post pull it tight, then staying as close to the support(to minimize the noise) climb up like you would a ladder. The webbing should fairly long (it took me 10ft just to make a 3ft long ladder, but the kind of knots you tie also affects the length you will need)



For footwear I recommend Tabi. The split toe design creates many advantages when climbing fences and gates. When climbing chain-link fences these really come in handy because you can use two link areas for each foot. They also are thin and you can feel the ground with them. Feeling the ground with these allows you to detect twigs and other noise making objects before your body weights crushes them.



When sneaking around move with all of your body not just your legs and move fluidly. Also keep your knees bent, it distributes your body weight over the center of your feet instead of on the heels. When walking stealthily do not walk normally you first gently places down the front of your foot and then rolling back toward the heel while your other foot is moving up off the ground.



When moving be sure to look around you and not become engrossed in looking at your feet. When detecting obstacles do not trust your eyes. Trust your other sense more, there may be twigs, branches, dry leaves and other obstacles. You need to be able to feel the ground since your eyes will not be able to see well enough to dectect small noise inducing objects.



Also smell is something you need to pay attention to(although it is least thought of and probably the most rare where it helps)



Hearing is the largest sense you should pay attention to, you may here people walking down the street, animals rumaging through trash, or someone about to ambush you. Also although most people do not believe in a sixth sense you can detect others if they concentrate on you, or if you concentrate on them then they will detect your presence.



Also if think you have been seen or caught DO NOT PANICK for most likely the observer did not find your location. If you panick you are caught. When jumping from gates, fences, or other areas land on the the front third of your feet and stay still right after landing(unless you are running from someone)If possible do a roll instead of staying still especially if you had lots of horizontal movement.



When resting observe the area by moving your entire body slowly not just your head unless you are exposed to a significant amount of light.



When lights are on in a house and you can see through the windows, the resident or residents may not be able to see you because of a reflection of the inside off the glass preventing them from seeing out more than around 8ft, but enabling you too see clearly inside.



If you are wearing black distort your figure as much as possible and stay in the darker shadows. This should also be done with dark blue or other colors too minimize the possibilty of recognition further.



Take note it is better to be heard than seen. Do not chance being seen over being heard.



When infiltrating, absolute silence is not a must if you use distractions. Then quick and possibly audible movement can get you where you want to go.



A weapon and tool you can make is too tie a metal ring on a string. It can hurt very badly being struck on the head. And is useful for clearing thick cobwebs out of a path's way or for tying branches out of your way, or numerous other things.



Shuko and Ashiko items used in feudal Japan by Ninja's(no not the sterotype) These foot spikes and hand claws increase your climbing ability by a large factor.

I have gone outside many times with the proper preperation and planning.



I go out my window from the second story, traverse along a thin track leading under the window to the deck. The porchlight is on. I step on the railing a stealthily walk down the stairs. I hide behind a bush near a car. Reconniasance proves no one is observering so i move across the stairs, triggering the brighter light-up feature of the porchlight. I'm crouched over a bush with my figure in a plant shape. I scan the surrounding area and see no one. Quickly I scrambled into the dark shadows over by the gate. I slowly place one tabi clad foot on the lower fence ledge and ease up to standing. The gate creaks and I freeze listening for signs of recognition.



I continue slowly over the gate. Once on top I reach one foot out to the supports of the dog house. I then use the brick wall behind me to traverse to the other side of the Doghouse. I gently step off and walk carefully through the growing plants to the second gate(leading into the backyard)



I climb the gate carefully scanning for signs of notice. I see a black figure in the neighbors grass peering back at me, it was a cat. I jump off the gate landing on the hard packed sand. I froze and listend. I heard stirring in a room in the house and then a dog bark. It was too risky, I used my rope ladder on a gate support and hopped the gate. On top of the second gate I had failed to notice the sound of a car, what i heard was the neighbors newspaper being delievered. I decided to sneak over and move the newspaper a small amount from its current location. I scurried through the light and through the closed in trees and bushes leading into the neighbors front yard. I moved slow and low to the ground to prevent the motion-detector driveway light from lighting. I catiously traversed along the truck trying to make no noise. I had to go around another vehicle to reach the newspaper which I moved about 5" from its original position.



I then stood up in plain sight from a panick. I ran back into my yard just when the motion-light came on and flooded the yard and street with light. I then crept back into the window too frightend to scan for people.

The story previous is true and none is fictional, also as far as i know it is legal. if the acts commited were illegal then the story was fictional.

If you have read this far, i do not say that you should use the previous techniques as a non-variated guide. The techniques and ideas are just deep observations of enviroments and experiences.

I do know that some of these were repeats of what has alreadly been said, but if you read it again the more you learn.

Nonexistant...

They're behind you, They're in front when you back is turned, they lurk in the shadows making no noise, they are the creepers.



[This message has been edited by Nonexistant (edited 08-17-2003).]

Welcome from Infrared too. If you didn't notice, this was my first post, I'm surprised to see it go on so long.

I took an interest in all the people (including you) who mentioned tabi boots - I've always looked into them, but never just bought a pair, because I wasn't always sure of their purpose. Magnum Stealth boots are rugged and quiet, but you definitely have less feeling in your feet than you would with thin tabis, and they have no split toe, so you lack that climbing advantage. I'm going to order a pair soon, I think. I'm also still actively scouting for op locations - construction sites, buildings, other houses, etc. I have a few ideas in mind; one is a constuction site that's dead at night, with a large pipe with no apparent exit leading into the ground (it's horizontal, but tilted downward, and it has me curious, some recon is in order). Another is an office complex that's finished, but for whatever reason, remains unpopulated. It has some security though, so it will take some planning. I'll keep you all posted

-Infrared

Disclaimer: This is not an actual insinuation or threat that any of these activities have taken place, or will take place.

Tonight is a seriously rainy, stormy night. When the lightning fades (I'm only waiting because I don't want to get my ass struck) I'm going to do more sneaking around the neighborhood, further away (where I haven't been yet). The rain is perfect - it makes a lot of noise when it's this hard, so even though I'm completely silent when it isn't, I have a little leeway if I need to quickly move to cover or something. I'm going to gear up and head out now - I'll post back in a few hours

-Infrared, an opportunist

This op was different, because it was the first I've done in the pouring rain. I couldn't go into any houses because I would doubtless leave wet footprints or other signs of infiltration somewhere, but I had a good look around the rest of the neighborhood. Nothing that interesting, although now I perhaps have some new houses to try out on a drier night. Lucky me, my four surrounding neighbors all have loud, annoying dogs. Those other neighbors don't, for some reason. Makes operations easier.

-Infrared

disclaimer: This is a work of pure fiction; this is no threat or implication that anything discussed about has taken place or ever will.

Hey everyone!

I'm not new to Night Ops but i'm quite new to this board..

What does BDU stand for?

I usually wear a dark blue turtle neck and matching pants... but i've never heard of "BDUs"..

Thanks

-I'm a heartless assassin so don't mess with me!

quote:Originally posted by Assassin No.42:

Hey everyone!

I'm not new to Night Ops but i'm quite new to this board..

What does BDU stand for?

I usually wear a dark blue turtle neck and matching pants... but i've never heard of "BDUs"..

Thanks

-I'm a heartless assassin so don't mess with me!

"BDU" is "Battle Dress Utility"; the exact same sorts of clothing you see US soldiers wearing in the news (if you're following). They come in desert camouflage (again, the troops wear them), normal camouflage, blue, black, etc. They have big pockets and are very rugged. Oh, and welcome to totse

-Infrared

Hey, Im new to night ops and im new to this board. For a first time should i practice on my naibors or should i go for the house being constructed before its finished. And does anyone know where i could get a SRK knife in Canada?

This is for informational purposes only and the objects described curiously may not occur. I am not responsible for any misuse of the information.



Too bad there is no yearly gathering for people who like infiltration. Where there is a course set up that starts in a semi-urban area then moves on to rural areas then forest. The goal would be too not be seen by the spotters stationed in the course, if you were caught then you would be removed from the game until the next area.



There would have to be a point system or maybe not. There would have to be a time limit of say fifteen hours otherwise you lose points for that area or are disqualified.



Falling to the ground is very important especially if you need to do it fast and without pain. This comes in use when something comes into your view or hearing range and you need to go to the ground for cover. I will try and explain this technique but this is covered as Ukemi in Ninjutsu.

I you are crouching and you need to fall to the ground you extend one leg all the way and allow yourself to naturally roll backward(not doing a roll but kind of a rocking motion) After you start falling backward you need to keep your leg extended otherwise you may accidenly do a roll and hurt neck.

The same applies for standing except that you must bend one leg to lower yourself down at a quick pace as far as you can go and the you naturally rock backward and your on the ground.

Anyone here get extremely nervous when they go out on a recon or similar operation to the point that you forget to pay attention and create a lot of noise?

Also, Infrared, I think you should go with the office complex. Just scope out the place numerous times, learn the security gaurds habits(if there are any) If not and its just electronic security, I would suggest building jamming devices but I'm not sure if they actually work.

Nonexistant...

B.T.W.-



If anyones curious The Creepers metioned in my last message is a small text-adventure dealing mainly with stealth and feudal Japan.







[This message has been edited by Nonexistant (edited 08-20-2003).]

quote:Originally posted by Pilot guy:

Hey, Im new to night ops and im new to this board. For a first time should i practice on my naibors or should i go for the house being constructed before its finished. And does anyone know where i could get a SRK knife in Canada?

www.coldsteel.com (http://www.coldsteel.com) should accomodate you, or maybe www.cheaperthandirt.com (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com) (search for the "Cold Steel" section). One or both of them should ship to Canada, eh (kidding)

Welcome to Totse

-Infrared

Hey everyone!

1. How long does it take someone to learn to pick a lock?

2. How long does it take someone who knows how to pick a lock, pick a lock?

1 min?

1/2 min?

quote:Originally posted by Assassin No.42:

Hey everyone!

1. How long does it take someone to learn to pick a lock?

2. How long does it take someone who knows how to pick a lock, pick a lock?

1 min?

1/2 min?

It depends on the lock and the person, and the tools being used. You can't just learn to "pick a lock" and be done with it, there are many types of locks. It could take pros. up to 30 minutes, and I think someone already said that here...but whatever.

quote:Originally posted by Nonexistant:

Too bad there is no yearly gathering for people who like infiltration. Where there is a course set up that starts in a semi-urban area then moves on to rural areas then forest. The goal would be too not be seen by the spotters stationed in the course, if you were caught then you would be removed from the game until the next area.

There are some... and they get VERY violent. Most of the people who claim to do infiltration in my city are yuppie artist types and wouldn't want to get evolved. heh

A infiltration war game would be cool...

I was thinking of a urban capture the flag game through a few dozen city blocks in an abandoned industrial district.

Quote:

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"There are some... and they get VERY violent. Most of the people who claim to do infiltration in my city are yuppie artist types and wouldn't want to get evolved. heh

A infiltration war game would be cool...

I was thinking of a urban capture the flag game through a few dozen city blocks in an abandoned industrial district."

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End quote



There would have to be a limited number of particicipants, and what should happen to possibly prevent violence is to have a background check too see if they have commited any outstanding crimes.

Capture the flag would be good but there would have too be more than one flag like 1 flag for every twenty participants. That way the game does not turn into a total war.

As a safety precation there would have to be people who are neutral and are only there to spot any breaking of the rules.

I live in a rural area so there are no infiltration sites besides schools and neighbors within a mile, but I do like living close to the mountains, I just have to figure out a way to cross the street and go along the fence without being seen if I was too sneak around the school.



Or about a mile a way i could sneak into a construction site where houses are being built but some of those are begginging to become populated.

Nonexistant...



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Next operation, in the planning phase:

The Business Complex. Will post more as more recon is done and more intel is gathered. It's a pretty big place, with many good places to hide and many possible targets. More info as it comes

-Infrared

Of course, this is entirely fictional.

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there are a bunch of books by this guy named Tom Brown, hes a survivalist and he does sum pretty cool nite and day ops. he kan touch a deer with out it noticing he was there, until it is touched. the books tell all these stories of his ops, its not fictional, they really happened. goto borders or sumthin like that and ask for books by Tom Brown. Grandfather, The Tracker, and The Way of the Scout are all good titles. he also has a skool that teaches u that shit, i heard its harder than training for the army.

What ever happened to that splinter cell guy that wanted to infiltrate an "abandoned" paper mill? I hope he's still alive >

That guy who has USMC at the end of his name:

ur not really in the army are you? in my post you said you are, and you will be the one locking us up in the NWO and shit. BUT in this thread you said you needed to make ur own ghillie suit for training. hmmm. wouldnt you be supplied for that? or are you completely full of shit like i suspect?

people on totse read more than one thread, you know.

quote:Originally posted by maundy:

That guy who has USMC at the end of his name:

ur not really in the army are you? in my post you said you are, and you will be the one locking us up in the NWO and shit. BUT in this thread you said you needed to make ur own ghillie suit for training. hmmm. wouldnt you be supplied for that? or are you completely full of shit like i suspect?

people on totse read more than one thread, you know.

How do you know he isn't ex-mil? If you join the military, you get training and you get whatever you're going to need for your specific job, but it's not like they let you keep your weapons, ghillie suit, etc, when you're out. In any case, he does know what he's talking about, so try to learn something from him

-Infrared

Hello...I am not new to totse but I am new to registering. I noticed this topic and I couldn't help myself from posting.

Anyway,

I have been going on 'ops' for about 2months now. I'm starting to move to industrial areas but I don't think i'm ready for it yet.....

I've been oping in the same place for the past week and I can't help but noticing these two guys. They seem to be wearing BDU's and one has a backpack and the other has a side bag...I've noticed them reconing at night alot between 12-2am. I've been watching them alot but I don't seem to think they have noticed me(although I've had a few close encounters with them[scared the shit outa me I mean out of no where this guy emerges out of a bush right next to me.])and it seems they are oping aswell. I've seen them go threw a few backyards and on top of a few business building near the residential area where I op.

Basically I am asking:

If they are oper(i.e. the people who recon at night)should I attemp to contact them?

should I leave them alone?

Should I continue to watch them?

Please help me. There is no one else around here(to my knowelage that does this)except the two guys that i've seen the past week.

Well i'll wait for some replies before I post more.



-BioHunter-

quote:Originally posted by BioHunter:

Hello...I am not new to totse but I am new to registering. I noticed this topic and I couldn't help myself from posting.

Anyway,

I have been going on 'ops' for about 2months now. I'm starting to move to industrial areas but I don't think i'm ready for it yet.....

I've been oping in the same place for the past week and I can't help but noticing these two guys. They seem to be wearing BDU's and one has a backpack and the other has a side bag...I've noticed them reconing at night alot between 12-2am. I've been watching them alot but I don't seem to think they have noticed me(although I've had a few close encounters with them[scared the shit outa me I mean out of no where this guy emerges out of a bush right next to me.])and it seems they are oping aswell. I've seen them go threw a few backyards and on top of a few business building near the residential area where I op.

Basically I am asking:

If they are oper(i.e. the people who recon at night)should I attemp to contact them?

should I leave them alone?

Should I continue to watch them?

Please help me. There is no one else around here(to my knowelage that does this)except the two guys that i've seen the past week.

Well i'll wait for some replies before I post more.



-BioHunter-



Hi there. Contacting them isn't a good idea until you know for sure what they're up to. Even once you do, they may not trust you right off (they might think you're a cop, etc). On one hand I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get to know them and maybe plan some team ops, or at least watch each other's back, and on the other I think they should be let alone for now. If you do choose to contact them, what you can do is leave a note or something where you expect to see them, or something. Right now, though, continue to watch, and even tail them sometime, if you have the balls. Watch out, though; for all you know they're planning on robbing a place, or they're gang members or something. If you tail, keep your ass well out of sight, and plan a good escape should you be spotted. Good luck

-Infrared

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:



Hi there. Contacting them isn't a good idea until you know for sure what they're up to. Even once you do, they may not trust you right off (they might think you're a cop, etc). On one hand I'm thinking it would be a good idea to get to know them and maybe plan some team ops, or at least watch each other's back, and on the other I think they should be let alone for now. If you do choose to contact them, what you can do is leave a note or something where you expect to see them, or something. Right now, though, continue to watch, and even tail them sometime, if you have the balls. Watch out, though; for all you know they're planning on robbing a place, or they're gang members or something. If you tail, keep your ass well out of sight, and plan a good escape should you be spotted. Good luck

-Infrared

I agree.. But in the case of your ending I have tailed them a few times...In Fact tonight I went out for about 45mins to see if they were out there(thats's what finally caused me to post)and I noticied they were campin in the ditch where I usually go before I start missions[basically just to do final check] and they were just scoping out the field that is overlooked by the hill/ditch at the top. So I watched for 30minutes then one of them got up and at a fst pace (paritally ducked) ran about 15meteres then drop and began to crawl then he stoped and signaled for his comrade. After about 10minutes of this I lost sight of them and I disided not to fallow because I was un prepared to fallow them, and I was un prepared to go into the field(lota bad suff happened there and some weird people live on the other side.....)[btw the field is about 300ydsx600yds]



-BioHunter-

I still recommend tailing them, after more preparation. Just be ready for anything, and if you're worried about encountering hostiles, bring a good knife. I'm curious, what kind of "bad things" happened in that field? And by the way, they sound rather professional, given the way one will move out and his comrade will keep watch, then they'll advance in that sort of leapfrog manner. You mad a good call, not following them when you lost sight. Never do that; for all you know, they somehow detected you ad were waiting for you to come too close. I doubt they're THAT good, but never take chances. Always keep them in view when you follow, and if you don't have it already, invest in some night vision.

Damnit, now you've got me all curious Have fun (and be careful), whatever you do

-Infrared

200th post, and in my first topic. wooha.

[This message has been edited by Infrared (edited 08-27-2003).]

Well the answer to your question"What bad things happened in that field." Basically they've found 2 dead bodies(1 was a rape and beaten to death.The second was a stabbing.)The field has caught fire a few times in the past 4 years. Alot of domestic animals have died there. There are many curious and potientially dangerous animals there too.

About the leap frog. After they met up the crawled at same pace. I think the 1st guy went out as a scout to see if it was completly clear. I don't belive they spotted me I was a good distance away.

But I think there were going to recon the other side of the field. Alot of the houses there are reported "haunted" becuase people died during a brush fire 6 years ago. Theres only about 50 populated houses there now. On each side of the field is basically thick treeline witha stream on the left side of the field. Beyond the houses and on the left side of the field are big hills(Which I have reconed with an old buddy who recently moved to polond.)And there alot of interesting stuff up there(including a mini relay base we built)[not much but some thick stick in a square with some o.k. weaved leaves at the top for minimal covor. We dug it about 3 feet below ground...

I go there in the day time until dark and stalk a bit but then I get freaked out after about 6 hours of reconing so I go home .

I am planing a tailing op like you suggested I am planing to exacute it this Thursday.

I'll post more after replies

-BioHunter-

Hey every one im getting my BDU in a month and im planing an op for my naibours house they have a dog (golden retriever mixed with something else :not a very big dog , 3 kids one 12, another 16-17, and one thats 18-19, plus the 2 parents i figured this would be a good place to infiltrait bc they've been broken into twice and i heard the robbers just walked throught the front door both times. Does any one have any sugestions?

thanks.

-Pilot guy

I wouldn't go threw with it for the fallowing reasons:

One if they've been broken into twice they could be expecting you,and they could have had an alarm installed.

Two the dog could wake them up(unless you uber stealthy). I mean c'mon man you don't need to be a dog killer do you?

Three if you get caught those two guys could own you if you were caught in there.

Those are my reasons there could be a few more but I don't think I should list them cus' they aren't that important.

Anyway it sounds to risky to me.....even if you are very stealthy there's always the possability......



-BioHunter-

Neighborhood ops:

Being my last week in my neighborhood, I'm gonna finally do some real ops. The school consists of a lot, main building, small building, and a field. The areas I'm in are the lot and the main building

the Lot is fairly well lit, but there are shadow spots. If I go to the top right corner of the lot (from a birds-eye view) and enter the perimeter there, I should be unseen. From here, I'll get a visual of the area, and look out for any persons. My goal will be to cross the parking lot, and tag the building (with my hand, I don't do graffiti).

My next op:

I just thought about it now, but my next op might be in the same area. The compound has a connecting building that is pretty low. I could probably get on top of it, which would be interesting and fun.

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wow, this shit looks like its really interesting and i bet its very fun. im really interested in this but, i havent yet done any on my own becase i think i should do some more reading up......try to keep this topic on top. its really interesting

B_I

After reading all 8 pages of this, i'm so damn curious about what happened to that guy who was planning going into that old paper mill, the son of a bitch.

This whole 'nighttime ops' thing sounds pretty dirty to me so far... I've been out in the night hundreds of times but only to steal handicapped parking signs and a bit of phreaking every now and then. I'm pretty down with this leaving without a trace stuff, so i'm thinking about maybe planning a little op in my neighbour hood. I'll let you all know whats happening later. I'm going to have to get my head down ; I like to think i'm pretty prepared, but in reality, i'm not that great. I think i'm so 'prepared' all the time, I forget the basics like trousers, and end up leaving the house in my underwear (well, uh, maybe not, but you know what I mean).

-evilduck

Sounds like good practice. My friend has a huge backyard and we're thinking of building some walls and other obstacles out of wood, putting on some paintball armor/masks and using RAP4's http://rap4.com to play some paintball with a stealth twist. No speedball

Well today I walked the field today....didn't notice anything different.

I put some trip wire pyrotechnigues riged with trip wires(When I was making them I tested two...they worked....but I am still questioning if they will actually work.)So if the two guys wal in the field they will be pretty scared if the go where i planed them . Basically is like this flash powder stuff and a few other things that flash and shoot up(i hope) and very illuminating. I got a few of the stuff from http://krimzonpyro.com/ep/ i saw that on the board so I checked it out and I got a few ideas . I know it's not the best idea but I just wana watch them from a distance(if they go out tonight)and see if my creations work.

wish me luck...



-BioHunter.

Are there any message boards dedicated to Urban Exploring that have frequent postings? I have googled endless times searching for them, but all of the boards Ive found seem to get 1 new post every 3-4 days. That doesnt make for very good reading. So, if anyone knows any good sites, Id appreciate it if you could fill me in on it

I agree i've googled and info.com many times but I havn't come up with anything whatsoever.

although I know someone posted this website before I thought i would do it again. I have seemed to like it so you should take a look at it. http://www.infiltration.org/index.html

Well I went on a semi-op tonight at about 12. I went my usual way inbetween the houses and threw a few yards. Crawled along the side of the hill till i got to the ditch. I waited and looked about for about a good 20-30mins. I didn't see anything so i crawled into the field to where i had planted those "traps"(or whatver you wana call em) I only checked two(one was tampered with the other didn't go off)Then i noticied some movement out of the corner of my eye. I saw the two guys going along the treeline. They kept going till they hit the stream. I wasn't sure if they noticied me so I waited a few minutes and I was sure they were gone. I crawled back ot the ditch. It was about a good 60mins before I got back.(Which was about 15minutes ago). I noticed though that one had gone off before I had gotten there. The one that seemed to be tampered with well basically it was just destroyed. and one was steped on but didn't go off. Well that shows my pyro skills . Anyway I might go back out around 4:30 to check the others....I also layed a few things around(i poored water in about a 10x15ft in 3 places right before it got dark. I had those wana-be signal trap things[HEY I tryed lol]and I also did a few more things). Anyway if I do go back out I'll post back until then I'll wait for replies.



-BioHunter-

quote:Originally posted by Corallis:

Are there any message boards dedicated to Urban Exploring that have frequent postings? I have googled endless times searching for them, but all of the boards Ive found seem to get 1 new post every 3-4 days. That doesnt make for very good reading. So, if anyone knows any good sites, Id appreciate it if you could fill me in on it

Why don't we set up our own UE bbs? I have some good hosting on a friends server, and I could easily set up a php based board to talk about op's etc...



Anyways, I've got to run. I'm going to check out and have a recon at a little house thing that is used for cricket on the public field. I know it has a back door leading straight in, with pretty poor lock on. The back door is totally concealed by a new shed they put up, so I won't have to worry about being seen around there. I'm not sure what alarm systems, if any, they have, so i'll remember to check that out.

It turns out that the lock around the back is one of these locks...

http://www.disturbedyouth.org/evilduck/images/loreslock.JPG

Now, i'm not really sure what the fuck to do with this lock. I don't want to rip the thing off with a crow-bar, because obviously thats not the point. What do you guys think? I checked the other doors, and they all have locks like this, so this is pretty much the easiest way of getting in. I'm not sure about any alarms. I'm just going to run like hell and hide if one goes off.



Also, Bio-Hunter : Do you think the two guys found your traps and disabled them, or did they just not go off? What could they be doing over there? Don't get raped =/

-evilduck



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quote:Originally posted by evilduck:



[edit] It turns out that the lock around the back is one of these locks...

http://www.disturbedyouth.org/evilduck/images/loreslock.JPG

Now, i'm not really sure what the fuck to do with this lock.

Just get some pliers and some 4mm or 5mm wire. Those stupid warded locks are the easiest to pick.

do you want to explain and/or expand on that?



I've found a text at http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/textfiles/anarchy/LOCKPICKING/wardlock.txt which sounds to me like it could be what your explaining. I did already try this with no luck though yet.



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quote:Originally posted by evilduck:

Also, Bio-Hunter : Do you think the two guys found your traps and disabled them, or did they just not go off? What could they be doing over there? Don't get raped =/

-evilduck



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Well man I'm not sure....I havn't gone out there to check yet cus my grandmother is very sick(lung cancer ) And I went to see her so I'm not sure whathappened. I'm not a pyrotechniques expert here so I doubt all of the mwould go off. I'm sure that one went off.



-BioHunter-

OK, I posted a few posts earlier about my school. AND a few posts ago I read something about some schools have some underground tunnels. Also I watch alot movies and I know that they're just movies but still. I watched on alot of them that they sneak through the floor. Well, I was thinking, do some schools have this? I know that if I would do that, then I'd need blueprints. Where can I get these.

I know this MIGHT be more complicating than sneaking in through the front door but I thought about the motion censors. Anyway to get away from them? I am going to plan this along ways away though.

Here is what I have planned so far for this night time op. First I jimmy down my window in the middle of the night, run across the street, kind of crawl/walk through my neighborhood until I reach my meeting point with my friend. And then if I had some blueprints, I could see where or if they had a sewer passage or whatever.

My ultimate question is.... where do I get these blueprints? If I get in through the floor, I could explore there all night. Get tests, get study guides, answers, chemicals, scales, whatever I want, the whole kitten kabootle. I figure that I could use two way radios to communicate with my partner(s). How many partners should I have. Would three be too many?

What kind of supplies would I need? Lockpick tools, masks, black clothing, rope(everyone in the movies has it) Now if I was in the sewers, I was thinking of bringing a pellet gun. I have a phobia of rats. I am sure I'd see them because it's obvious. Would a pellet gun kill 'em? Also, if I got caught there, would they count the pellet gun as a concealed weapon or whatever?

Oh and maby I was thinking of taking the cash inside the lunchroom or school store. Do you think they take the cash out before closing? Do they put it in a safe or something?

Any more ideas? Any more ideas on what to do once I'm inside? And thanks in advance for answering some of my questions.

Well for one I wouldn't plan on going the underground way. To much trouble for a school and a few scales or something.

You and 2 extra people would be good but 3 could ge good aswell. Two could be spotters(one looking at the main road and the other spttoing the schoool[i don't know the area so you would have to choose]) And you and the other guy could get in.

Theres a Jr. High schoool right next to my house and it's pretty easy to get in (i've done it a few times) And on the extreme right of the school theres a main building and on the side of the building is a ladder runing up the side, although it has one of those lock things blocking the bottum of it,it's pretty easy to get up there...and once up there theres a few hatches and things to get it. I would look for something similiar to that.

Some schoools have motion detectors and cameras. Usually high schoools will have alarms and such things. Elementray school don't usally have anything. nad The jr. high i usually op has a few camers and motion detectors in their office but other than that theres nothing but some locks.

I wouldn't take much gear for the guys who are entering but the spotters should have binocs thats a must and everyone should have a way to communicate with eachother. I think 2 different pairs of walkie talkies could work as long as you all were on the same channel. A rope could become usful if you were entering by the roof. A backpack could become usful since you are taking some items.

I'm not sure what else you could take but be creative is what I always say .

Try to take as least as possible though.

-BioHunter-

p.s. reguardless if caught with a pellet gun of your not your still going to get in some trouble.

I should go to my old high school and do a little digging around. It had no motion detectors or even alarms or cameras. I could easily pick one of the doors open and sneak around a little. Not a whole lot to do, though; classrooms are completely uninteresting, and I don't steal or destroy things on my ops, so it'd be pretty much pointless, but it still might be fun to go back. There's a security dickhole though; he always used to give me shit when my parking permit fell off my window (damnit, the sun bakes them off! I'd always end up with detentions for just that, the fucker), and he's still there too.

Memories. lol. Anyway, I'll post about my business complex op, when I have enough TO post. I still need to do a little recon and gather some satellite data too (translation: go to www.terraserver.com (http://www.terraserver.com) ). This is going to be a dangerous one, I have to contend with cameras, possible security, and possibly other alarm systems. Will update

-Infrared

quote:Originally posted by DeerHunterUSMC:

YOU ARE ALL CARROTS!!!! AND THE HARVEST IS UPON US!!!!!!!!!!

I just had to say it....

Oh yea, and being in the military and all, Im cool with all this NWO shtick cause I'M GONNA BE THE ONE HORDING YOU INTO CAGES!!!!

Dont fight back, you will lose.... CARROTS!

INFRARED:

that is what he wrote. and then he wrote he is making a ghille suit. so maybe he is full of shit. please defend yourself here, USMC. when i say full of shit, i dont mean it in a nasty way.

Say Sam fisher have you already done that Paper mill Op? I havent' been folowing for a while now. So have you done it? How did it go?

Noboady has seen Sam Fisher for a while now. He said something about camping in a bush for 7 days, but I would of thought he'd be back by now.

quote:Originally posted by evilduck:

Noboady has seen Sam Fisher for a while now. He said something about camping in a bush for 7 days, but I would of thought he'd be back by now.

He was captured. I disavow all knowledge of Sam Fisher and his paper mill-prowling. I also know nothing about a paper mill.

-Infrared

Anymore ideas on opening these locks : http://www.disturbedyouth.org/evilduck/images/loreslock.JPG . I've had no luck with 'wire keys' and other 'skeleton' type keys. A couple of them broke in the lock which was a bit of pisser, but the ones that didn't break I couldn't get it to turn over at all. I have no problem usually with the pin and tumbler locks, but it seems there is hardly any information on the warded locks at all. Am I missing something obvious here?

[edit]I've been pretty sure this was a warded lock so far, but i'm not so sure anymore. Lever Lock?

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I'm going back to school on wednesday, so i'll be around for a few more days.

Concerning those mortice locks, unless anyone comes up with something, i'll just have to drill the locks, which of course they would notice.

quote:Originally posted by evilduck:

I'm going back to school on wednesday, so i'll be around for a few more days.

Concerning those mortice locks, unless anyone comes up with something, i'll just have to drill the locks, which of course they would notice.

They ain't THAT hard to pick, duck...you can do it with just your tension wrench (in this case, you don't use it for tension, you use it to do the picking. It's the right shape). Just stick it in like you would the key (you know how those keys look, right?), and make sure the flange on the pick is where they key would be, and turn a little in the direction the key would turn, adjust, try to engage the mechanism, etc. It takes a little tweaking, but they AREN'T hard to pick, considering how outdated they are.

-Infrared

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

They ain't THAT hard to pick, duck...you can do it with just your tension wrench (in this case, you don't use it for tension, you use it to do the picking. It's the right shape). Just stick it in like you would the key (you know how those keys look, right?), and make sure the flange on the pick is where they key would be, and turn a little in the direction the key would turn, adjust, try to engage the mechanism, etc. It takes a little tweaking, but they AREN'T hard to pick, considering how outdated they are.

-Infrared



Check The Skills! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum7/HTML/005371.html)

I'll give it a go ; they're as common as dirt over here those kind of mortice locks.

I know alot of english mortice locks have 'anti-picking' and 'anti-drilling' devices on them. Thanks for the help 'red.

i also am interested in this type of stuff, i have recently come back from a shitty activity holiday where the only fun came at night. you have to be in by 11:00 but peple like go out at about 10:45 and stay out untill they get caught at about 1:00 in the morning most of the staff are patrolling around the grounds with torches and if you get spotted they run after you centering the torches on you and shouting. If you get caught they march you back to your dorm where there is no way of getting out again.

It gives you the best adrenaline rush ever. Theres this really violent man -and i mean violent- who everybody takes the piss out of. i got caught on purpose by him while i was wearing full staff uniform i had taken out of a supply cupboard and he pushed me down the stairs of this fire escape and literally dragged me back to my dorm where he made me stand in the corner without moving for 2 hours 10 mins! i dont think pushing me down the stairs is legal so im considering sueing the place.

true story.

LetsAllGetDrunkAndPlayPingPong!

The planning phase of the business complex op is coming along nicely. The place I plan to explore is a two-story building that's being built right now (though it's about 95% complete). It's in a good out-of-the-way area; not TOO far from civilization, though. I plan to make my way out there and hoof my way to the place through the scrubby field that surrounds it. It's completely dark; even at the actual complex, no spotlights or anything are left on, and the only security I've noticed thus far is a truck that comes every few hours and does a few rounds, shines a flashlight around, then leaves. As for building security systems, there are some basic cameras that look rather hastily set up; meaning, they don't blend well at all, and the wiring is exposed (stupid!). I don't think anyone is watching them; I think they just record. Nonetheless, though, I'm not taking chances. I'm not going to bother deactivating it; there's no real need, since it's easy to slip past. It's over what looks to be a future employee's entrance or something like that, which I plan to sneak into. I have no blueprints of the inside or anything, so I'm going to take it as I go. I know that sounds dangerous, but that's part of the fun. Once inside, I'm going to completely cover my face and use my SureFire flashlight and infrared filter, in conjunction with my NV monocular and the head rig I made for it, for light. The whole building isn't dark inside; light shines in from the big front picture windows, but I'm sure I'll encounter dark spots. Anyway, I'll post more about this op as I gather more intel, and as my plan comes together. I think it'll be a good one

-Infrared

That sounds pretty good 'red. All theoretical of course =P The NV really does sound pretty damn good. The infrared can't be seen with the naked eye right?

-evilduck

quote:Originally posted by evilduck:

That sounds pretty good 'red. All theoretical of course =P The NV really does sound pretty damn good. The infrared can't be seen with the naked eye right?

-evilduck

Thanks for the reminder, Duck

(All activities described in my previous post are entirely fictitious, and no threat is expressed or implied)

Yeah, the infrared part of the spectrum is invisible to the human eye, but that flashlight will be a torch through my NV. I love the idea of a really bright flashlight that only you can see, and utilize

-Infrared

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

Yeah, the infrared part of the spectrum is invisible to the human eye, but that flashlight will be a torch through my NV. I love the idea of a really bright flashlight that only you can see, and utilize

-Infrared

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"What will they think of next???"



-BioHunter-

Seriously. Night vision alone is some really amazing technology

-Infrared

Oh, just some night ops trivia: On the rare occasion I bring someone else along on an op, my codename is Infrared, and his/hers is Ultraviolet. If I ever do a squad-type op (I'd like to try someday, so long as my teammates were competent) I plan to do the spectrum thing, with code names like yellow, green, blue, red, etc. The leader will be "Spectrum".

-Infrared

I've tryed that before, but I just keep my mouth shut and don't use any names, unless i'm with more than one person, which is very occasional.

How did you construct your NV goggles from the monocular?

-evilduck

quote:Originally posted by evilduck:

How did you construct your NV goggles from the monocular?

-evilduck

I didn't make goggles, I just used some military web strapping and some good velcro to make a head rig for it. I also used a hinge that wasn't free-swinging and rigged it to where I could pivot the monocular out of my face if I needed to. It doesn't look ultra-cool or anything but it's reliable, comfortable, and does what I ask it to, so I'm happy

-Infrared



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Very Splinter Cell then =P

The following post is entirely fictitious, and no threat is expressed or implied in any way.

I had forgot about my immediate neighbours house ; they have another house elsewhere, where they stay in the week because of work or something. Otherwise it's empty all week. I'm going to check it out now.

OK ; I've just been over there. They back gate is always unlocked and the lock on the back door is a pretty basic pin and tumbler. Although inside I could see a PIR sensor in the living room, and on the front of the house a white alarm box.

I'm going to gain as much intel about the house as possible. I don't want to set off an alarm, and have to run back to my house and stand there in 'combat' gear while my Ma looks out the window. It looks like the alarm system is pretty decent so i'll probably have to forget it. Most alarms have a 20sec delay or something, so maybe as soon as I open the door, run back to my house, and sit down and wait for any alarms/police =P

-evilduck



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Even though you don't steal, you break into peoples houses and snoop around their yards. I know if I found you in house I would fuck you up big time.

Thats why the only time i'd even contemplate going in, is when they're away, and the security sucks and there are no alarms, otherwise forget it.

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hey, im new to this stuff and is there any sites that have info on them about this?and red' do you live by yourself? all i have is BDUs and i dont know what elts to take on a mission but i want to go on one soon. and suggestions of a first mission duck or red'? what time do you guys usally go out? what kinda equipment do you bring? and how long are you missions? do you think spy/recon on a house would be a good first mission?thanks.

B_I

quote:Originally posted by BongIt:

hey, im new to this stuff and is there any sites that have info on them about this?and red' do you live by yourself? all i have is BDUs and i dont know what elts to take on a mission but i want to go on one soon. and suggestions of a first mission duck or red'? what time do you guys usally go out? what kinda equipment do you bring? and how long are you missions? do you think spy/recon on a house would be a good first mission?thanks.

B_I



Jesus: I agree. I know the risks I'm taking, and if I'm ever caught, I deserve to get "fucked up big time", but that's the point: I never get caught.

BI: A good first-time op is just your neighbor's yards. I know it sounds a little wussy, but if you do it a few times, you'll build up the courage and you'll learn how to sneak around right. For an op like that, just wear your BDU's and a good pair of boots, and bring along night vision if you have it. Make sure there's no dogs or anything, and don't step in sand or anything else where footprints will be left. As for bigger/different ops, your equipment will vary. Hopefully my night-op guide will be posted here on totse soon, so check it out; it contains, among other things, a listing of basic, bare-bones equipment and some basic tactics and such. Have fun if you go on an op, and watch your back

-Infrared

PS: By the way, I do live by myself, and I usually do my ops in the dead of night; anywhere from 2:00AM to 4:00AM. After 4:00 is stretching it for me, because for some reason, people are often up that early here. I'm gone anywhere from half an hour to 2 hours depending on the op (strictly speaking neighborhood here; on my big ops like the mountain one I posted about, I was gone many hours)

disclaimer: The entire preceding post is fictitious, and no threat is expressed/implied.

thanks Red'. i was thinking that i should just get in my BDUs and just go acrost this feild to a house farm and do some ops there but he has about 3 lights on a 10-15 acher peice of land...so i might just go to my naibers house.



B_I

I have to admit that lately, I've been getting the temptation to nick things during my ops. In my neighborhood ops I've run across quite a few nice, stealable items, and hell, when I did my mountain op, I was in a cabin full of all kinds of shit. But, I can't let myself get tempted: The true mark of night-op professionalism is to leave nary a mark at all.

-Infrared

300th post. nihaa.

(this post is entirely fictitious, and no threat is expressed or implied)

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quote:Originally posted by maundy:

INFRARED:

that is what he wrote. and then he wrote he is making a ghille suit. so maybe he is full of shit. please defend yourself here, USMC. when i say full of shit, i dont mean it in a nasty way.

What does that have anything to do with me telling how to make a guillie suit?

We make our own ghille suit in order to have a better understanding of them. Some classes get theirs, some make em, its all a matter of whats in supply.

I'm really getting sick of lame asses questioning my service. Try to discredit me, I'll answer any question you want to know. Sad enough, its getting to the point where its not worth posting anymore cause people like you just waste my time when I try to share my knowledge.

Oh yea, and if you couldn't pick up on the sarcasm in that post, your an idiot. Half of its a quote from Tool - Disgustipated.