Why is it that whenever someone mentions mescaline or claims to have a hook-up on this board, everyone flames them? Is this stuff really that extinct?

I'n VICE magazine's "Guide to all the drugs" they say (this is paraphrazing) that ideally mescaline is made from peyote and will fuck you up hardcore for several days, but by the time you get it, it's horse tranquilizer. They lumped it in with Angel Dust and PCP because they say that all those drugs are so rare and totally impure that they're the same shit by now.

I know Mescaline isn't actually supposed to be made from peyote (it's supposed to be the active ingredient in peyote though from what I understand) so don't bother flaming me about that.

angel dust and pcp are the same thing.

and mescaline can be made from alot of differant cacti/cactus like peyote,san pedro,peruvian torch,like 25 more also.

Real mescaline is almost unheard of on the street. It is too expensive to make to be profitable. Thus, many times people will sell other drugs as mescaline. Mescaline can be extracted from cacti, but the bulk of matterial needed is huge. Mescaline also has a dose range of like 300 to 500mg.

quote:Originally posted by DrY.R.Head:

Real mescaline is almost unheard of on the street. It is too expensive to make to be profitable. Thus, many times people will sell other drugs as mescaline. Mescaline can be extracted from cacti, but the bulk of matterial needed is huge. Mescaline also has a dose range of like 300 to 500mg.

Question for you sir, since you seem like (one of the few) truly knowledgable people on this forum.

Can synthetic mesc be produced in a lab (like acid, x, pcp) in large scale? It doesn't seem like it's terriblely difficult to synthesize. The DEA website reported mescaline labs in the 70's/80's too.

Pure mescaline may be rare but mescaline containing cacti can be bought off the net! ive never tried extracting and i dont really see the point - just peel off the wax, strip off the outer skin and trip [It dosent fuck you up for several days just one.

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I read recently that Peyote cacti are becoming rare because so many have been picked. I think they can take up to ten years to mature. Don't hold me to that number though, it could be something I dreamt up.

San Pedro Cacti contain mescaline

You can get some from online suppiers but it is dangerous and illegal to consume their products

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If you put enough into it, you can produce any chemical on a large scale.

Peyote is getting rarer. I lived in west texas for a long time (right where peyote grows natively). It is extremely hard to find it just growing anywhere around there due to law enforcement uprooting it anytime they find some and I heard there were massive peyote uprooting projects decades ago.

However, there is a national park in south west texas where there is peyote because it is illegal to even remove a handful of dirt from national parks. It is also easily found being sold in small mexican boarder towns (where I've baught some before) - usually 6 dollars per button if you don't try to haggle them down.

lol 6 dollars a button? indians in arizona sell for about 1.50 a button or around 10 a plant,but they dont sell to many white people

quote:Originally posted by dimethyltryptamine:

6 dollars a button?

yes

If you attend religious cerimonies on southwestern indian reservations,(anyone is welcome) A big basket of peyote cacti is blessed and passed around for everyone present to consume as much as they want.

It's not that difficult...

SWIM has a methanol extraction of San Pedro waiting for an a/b followup...

quote:Originally posted by malware:

Can synthetic mesc be produced in a lab (like acid, x, pcp) in large scale? It doesn't seem like it's terriblely difficult to synthesize. The DEA website reported mescaline labs in the 70's/80's too.



yes mescalin can be synthesized on a large scale. its fairly complex, and much equipment and experience is needed. you can get the synth for informational purposes is tihkal. the reason many chemists looking for profit is (in my opinion) that the precursors and necessary supplies are so expensive that you wouldn't make much money off of it, if you were selling it for around $20-$30 a gram, like SWIM did long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away.

quote:Originally posted by Kinetik:

San Pedro Cacti contain mescaline

You can get some at www.***catalog.com (http://www.***catalog.com) but it is dangerous and illegal to consume their products

Sources= Bad.

Anyways, most garden stores sell San Pedro cacti, which contain mescaline.

quote:Originally posted by Kinetik:

San Pedro Cacti contain mescaline

You can get some at www.**********.com (http://www.**********.com) but it is dangerous and illegal to consume their products

please don't post chem supply companies like this. what you say may incriminate them and ruin it for the rest of us. do you know and trust everyone with access to this board? if feel you must hand out names, please only give them to those who you are 100% sure about.

edit: site name

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quote:Originally posted by ThetaReactor:

It's not that difficult...

SWIM has a methanol extraction of San Pedro waiting for an a/b followup...

I hear about this SWIM character alot, specially on the hive boards...May I ask who he is?

frag,they do not allow anyone,its only legal for someone atleast 25% native american AND a member of the native american church,theres about 5 or 6 of the churchs in the united states

edit: malware,Someone Who Isnt Me

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That sucks. Our government shouldnt make laws about who can take peyote and who cant based on someones race/ethnic background.

Im still goin to arizona when I get a car though, i'll just find some wild peyote, or try to buy some off someone on the reservations. More than 1/4 of arizona is covered in indian reservations.

quote:Originally posted by r007 ph07oN:

please don't post chem supply companies like this. what you say may incriminate them and ruin it for the rest of us. do you know and trust everyone with access to this board? if feel you must hand out names, please only give them to those who you are 100% sure about.

edit: site name

[This message has been edited by r007 ph07oN (edited 08-08-2003).]

I don't mean to be offensive...but...

YOU FUCKTARD!

He plainly said "it is illegal to consume their product".

THATS ALL THE DISCLAIMER HE NEEDS.

With THAT disclaimer, he is not inviting any one to buy with the intent to "eat" the plant or use it for illegal purposes.

Better safe than sorry.

quote:Originally posted by TheSell0ut:

I don't mean to be offensive...but...

YOU FUCKTARD!

He plainly said "it is illegal to consume their product".

THATS ALL THE DISCLAIMER HE NEEDS.

With THAT disclaimer, he is not inviting any one to buy with the intent to "eat" the plant or use it for illegal purposes.



that doesn't neccessarily protect anyone from prosecution, and i am only saying this because of shit that has happened on this site concerning the company he mentioned about 2 1/2 years ago. i won't go into detail, but it wasn't pretty, and i don't want a repeat. just because he says "it is illegal" does not even come close to providing legal immunity.

as a native american,i love the peyote law,best thing since RS rolling papers

quote:Originally posted by malware:

I hear about this SWIM character alot, specially on the hive boards...May I ask who he is?Ahhh... SWIM, the magic man from mystery land. He knows all and sees all, but SWIY will never know him.

It is my belief, that being born here,in the continental U.S., makes me a native American. But then I hold many beleifs that run contrary to our laws, auch as :I have a right to kill and eat anything edible,regardless of what season it is, if I or my family are in need of sustanance. Oh well,America, Land Of the Sheep, Home of the Baaaaarave.

quote:Originally posted by r007 ph07oN:



yes mescalin can be synthesized on a large scale. its fairly complex, and much equipment and experience is needed. you can get the synth for informational purposes is tihkal. the reason many chemists looking for profit is (in my opinion) that the precursors and necessary supplies are so expensive that you wouldn't make much money off of it, if you were selling it for around $20-$30 a gram, like SWIM did long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away.

Actually, the reference is PiHKAL, not TiHKAL. Mescaline is a phenethylamine, not a tryptamine. And perusing my copy of said book, the synthesis doesn't seem to be too tricky if you have a decent lab. However, producing it on a large scale would be unfeasible... if I were to make it, I would make enough for myself and my friends to enjoy maybe once every 5 years.

thank you, i stand corrected. i can't see why i was thinking mescalin is a tryptamine.

maybe its all those drugs.......

native meaning american indian,jjsx