I was just checking out Bluelight.nu , which seems like a pretty cool site (albeit with idiots but whatever). This is the thread that caught my attention.

http://www.bluelight.nu/vb/showthrea d.php?s=12c3ca206f53e217be927473dde526de&threadid=92851&highlight=rate+chill+visuals+negative+positive (http://www.bluelight.nu/vb/showthread.php?s=12c3ca206f53e217be927473dde526de&threadid=92851&highlight=rate+chill+visuals+negative+positive)

It's pretty lame overall, but what caught my eye was 'TheGreenPhantom" and his experience with some lesser-known drugs that I've never seen before. I'm hoping you guys know a bit about them. By the way these aren't on Erowid so I think this is the easiest way to find out about them (besides registering on Bluelight which I can't be bothered to do.

The drugs that interest me most are "Calea Zacatechichi", "Kola seeds", and "Ginseng". I'm interested in these drugs because at the moment, I'm VERY often high on marijuana (several times a day most days) and I don't like the effect it has on my life. I know it's pathetic to just blame the weed but I wanna stop smoking so much and these drugs seem to have great potential for everyday use.

Anyways, here's what I know about each drug:

Calea Zacatechichi

Visuals: 0

Speed: 0

Chill: 0

Dreamy feeling: 0

Positive sides: Smoking it before bedtime allows you to wake up 4-5 hours later feeling completely refreshed.

Negative sides: Weak effects, even with an enhanced leaf extract.

Kola Nuts

Visuals: 0

Speed: 4

Chill: 0

Dreamy feeling: 0

Positive sides: Will keep you going and going and going. You can drink and smoke weed all night and not pass out or even get sleepy.

Negative sides: More than half a nut in 2 hours will give you cardiac troubles.

Ginseng (12 yr-old American or Chinese Ginseng roots, steamed, sliced and eaten)

Visuals: 2.5 (brightens vision enormously)

Speed: 4 (without jitters or increased cardiac output)

Chill: 1 (the American variety is slightly calming to the mind)

Dreamy feeling: 2 (the vision-brightening quality makes you feel like you're walking in a cartoon)

Positive sides: Makes you feel strong and indefatiguable. Nothing can stop you. Makes you alert. No adverse speedy effects.

Negative sides: Too much brewed in a tea will be overly speedy. You HAVE to find something to do with yourself or you'll fucking go mad.

OK, now obviously I don't wanna go popping Kola seeds all day if they affect heart rate, but it seems to me that they'd be cool for like going to clubs and just generally partying. Here's my questions.

1. It sounds like these are related to Cocaine. Are they addictive? What are the negative physical side effects? Basically I'm looking for any disclaimers about this drug at all.

2. How much would they cost?

3. Are they illegal? Where would you get them? If they're illegal, would they be recognizable enough to be caught if sent in the mail? If they aren't illegal, what stores would have them?

4. What is the dosage? How long do the effects last? Do you have to keep popping them for the effect listed above, or just take it once and it lasts a long time?

Now for the Calea Zacatechichi. If I were to use this regularly I'd have to control my use, to prevent damaging my body with sleep deprivation. I'd only use them in emergencies, sort of. Anyways:

1. Are these illegal (in Canada)? Why the heck would they be?

2. Where can you get them?

3. Any disclaimers?

As for Ginseng, it's pretty well-known obviously (I mean come on I live in Vancouver so I have a lot of exposure to asian culture). Basically I just wanna know if anyone uses it regularly, and if it has the effect which is listed here, and how much it costs.



If you think I could have found this information elsewhere, then don't respond. I know my impressions of these drugs are ignorant and probably wrong, but don't flame me. I'm just looking for the Totse people with experience in these substances.

Any links to information on these drugs would also be appreciated.

[This message has been edited by HIGH and Rising (edited 08-07-2003).]

quote:1. It sounds like these are related to Cocaine. Are they addictive? What are the negative physical side effects? Basically I'm looking for any disclaimers about this drug at all.

2. How much would they cost?

3. Are they illegal? Where would you get them? If they're illegal, would they be recognizable enough to be caught if sent in the mail? If they aren't illegal, what stores would have them?

they aren't related to cocaine.

i don't know much, but they are legal [assuming so because shamanshop sells 'em]

Thanks for that reply, I hadn't seen shamanshop before. I'm gonna keep looking into this; if anyone wants to know what I find out then say so.

OK well basically the active ingredient in Kola seeds is just Caffiene. They still sound cool to take when you start drinking like at a party, but basically they're just natural caffeine pills so nothing crazy.

The weirdly-named shit is also available on shamanshop (all of this stuff is). The active ingredient is a big mystery, and shamanshop doesn't say anything about the drug's ability to make you feel refreshed after a short sleep. So I'm thinking it's not too effective in this way. I might get a small amount and try soon though, if I can find it.

As for Ginseng, it's pretty self-explanitory.

So basically they're all legal and boring and won't get you anywhere near as fucked up as narcotics. But still that appeals to me seeing as I'm looking for more everyday drugs not opiates or anything.

Arizona makes an iced tea with ginseng in it. If you want ginseng pills though, just go to GNC

you cant get very fucked up store bought ginseng as its a very low dose and has alot of another shit in it,too much store bought ginsing will make you fucking sick as fuck