ok ive been to erowid, lycaeum, rhodium, and searched msn and google, but i still cant seem to find more then whats on erowid, about

4-Acetoxy-det, im buying it off of some one (you know who you are). and i would like to learn as much about it, before it comes in the mail. thanks for any help you can give its really appriciated. oh and sean (and everyone else)if you have any info it would be great of you to share your experience with it too.

~TweaK

please? anyone? CAM? Pharm? theta? kron? meta? anyone? please? i just really want to learn about this drug, yet its so hard to find info about it.

if you've seen erowid, there isn't much else i can say.

here's (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4_acetoxy_det/4_acetoxy_det_primer.shtml) some good reports, but i don't have any expirience with it... [or any knowledge beyond erowid's vaults]

quote:Originally posted by CRaZyAmishMaN:

if you've seen erowid, there isn't much else i can say.

here's (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4_acetoxy_det/4_acetoxy_det_primer.shtml) some good reports, but i don't have any expirience with it... [or any knowledge beyond erowid's vaults]

ehh yeah read it already, thanks though, i guess ill just go ahead and memorize all i know about it, seeming as though i cant find any more info. thanks CAM, later.

how much you buying it from (i know who) ?

Have you looked in TIHKAL or PIHKAL?? Also it would help if you told us a little more about this drug.

Buy 20 mg and eat half of it. Bam you're done.

erowid has basically all you need to know about it,dosage and experiances atleast

also couldent find anything in tihkal

http://www.drugsinfo.net/tihkal/

god damn you chowder heads are nuts, stick to coke and quit hurting yourselves with the idiot shit

proud white panther

i_tweak_too : be sure to post a trip report, it's always interesting to hear about these research chems. esp. as I've not had much success with them.

quote:Originally posted by ProudWhitePanther:

god damn you chowder heads are nuts, stick to coke and quit hurting yourselves with the idiot shit

proud white panther

this is safer than coke, and not addictive.

i hope to god you were being sarcastic.

PEACE

There is absolutely no evidence that it is safer than coke. It is very new and not illegal. I think the points of it being very new and not illegal make it under the column of not "research"ed emough. How do you know that it can't have serious side effects when hardly any research has been done on it?

Very new... I don't know about that.

as chief said,and atleast we know our tryptamines arent cut with 75% corn starch

and to hash,just like coca leaves,typtamines were used many hundreds of years ago by indians tribes(mostly in brazil).

i dont know about you but ide much rather be supporting brazilians than fucking colombians

what the hell for? more cocaine = less cutting because it will be cheaper, at least the more scrupulous dealers will do it that way.

they have it hard enough as it is with those fucking us planes spraying shit all over their fields and ecuador and peru grow too.

theres not much info on the 4-acetoxy-det because its a research chemical. just do one dot of powder at a time

wow i go to sleep for a couple hours and wake to people actually responding.

sweet deal .

anyway, im buying 20mg separated into 2 10mg bags. and i know theres not much info out there so thats way i just about memorized all the info i already have last night . I'll be dosing my self with the 10mg of 4-acotoxy-det on a clear day when im out with my friends, we are gonna go to a open field and chill in the flowers and look at the clouds and shit, im pretty excited about that. ill be posting a trip report dont you worry, but it probably wont be until the end of august sometime because i got a lot of crap going on right now in my life, very, very hectic. thanks to all the replied, and the people that told off the coke kid, damn i hate that. anyway, i still got quite a bit of shrooms in my possesion, that i think im gonna just sell, because i havent got the time or the setting to eat a good amount to actually have a really good trip, how long is the shelf life again? in a plain ziplock bag in my closet. thanks again for any info, later.

~TweaK

quote:Originally posted by Chiefman420:

this is safer than coke, and not addictive.

i hope to god you were being sarcastic.

PEACE

Not only was I being sarcastic but also ignorant , it happens sometimes!

After furthur research of trypthans I choose to stand by my original thought!

Cocaine is less dangerous.

Both are naturally occurring in our world.

The results of cocaine use and abuse are widely known and documented.

Trypthanes and mutiplication of it's naturally occuring existience is unknown and use for research should be strictly controlled and monitored.

It should not be bandied about the net for sale as some weekend high this is how people die!

PEACE

whitepanther

quote:Originally posted by I_Tweak_Too:

wow i go to sleep for a couple hours and wake to people actually responding.

sweet deal .

anyway, im buying 20mg separated into 2 10mg bags. and i know theres not much info out there so thats way i just about memorized all the info i already have last night . I'll be dosing my self with the 10mg of 4-acotoxy-det on a clear day when im out with my friends, we are gonna go to a open field and chill in the flowers and look at the clouds and shit, im pretty excited about that. ill be posting a trip report dont you worry, but it probably wont be until the end of august sometime because i got a lot of crap going on right now in my life, very, very hectic. thanks to all the replied, and the people that told off the coke kid, damn i hate that. anyway, i still got quite a bit of shrooms in my possesion, that i think im gonna just sell, because i havent got the time or the setting to eat a good amount to actually have a really good trip, how long is the shelf life again? in a plain ziplock bag in my closet. thanks again for any info, later.

~TweaK

BAD IDEA, but good luck,I was young once?

I have a sister in Londonderry NH whom is a Doctor if you need one!!!!!!!!!!

whitepanther

quote:Originally posted by ProudWhitePanther:

Not only was I being sarcastic but also ignorant , it happens sometimes!

After furthur research of trypthans I choose to stand by my original thought!

Cocaine is less dangerous.

Both are naturally occurring in our world.

The results of cocaine use and abuse are widely known and documented.

Trypthanes and mutiplication of it's naturally occuring existience is unknown and use for research should be strictly controlled and monitored.

It should not be bandied about the net for sale as some weekend high this is how people die!

PEACE

whitepanther



if you didnt notice, i just did all the research i possably could on this (research chem)drug and its waaaay safer the you would think. coke is diffinately alot more harmful, ask my mom... the bridge of her nose is just about non existant, she couldnt go a day without a couple of lines, fucking expensive..which wiped out our whole fucking bank account not to mention my college money. this is just about the same high as shrooms (Psilocybin and Psilocin which are also other tryptamines), which are not only physically less harmful, and not addicting, but also doesnt fuck with everyone around you. so fuck off.

[This message has been edited by I_Tweak_Too (edited 08-07-2003).]

i feel you tweak,my mother has been clean from that shit for almost 10 years,my aunt STAYs fucked up on crack her boyfriend who makes about 6000 a week painting has to act like he hasent payed the rent for months and act like he has no money or she will take it all from him,my uncle who has been clean for a couple months just recently got fucked up again,his wife for 26 years left him once for it im suprised she hasent left him again.

and a friend of mine who lives in a trailer in missisipii used to be a painter but has back problems and hasent painted since, he had about 5400 bucks in his bank for extra money,got fucked up on crack again,blew the 5000$ in FOUR DAYS on crack.

my mother is on the liver transplant list,she has hepititis C,B and cyyrosis,she recently went to the hospital for throwing up blood,she was very lucky she lived,our bathroom floor was COVERED in blood and theres 3 big stains on the carpet she threw up when the ambulence was taking her out.

but thats what coke and alcohol will do to you,even after youve been clean for 10 years

quote:Originally posted by dimethyltryptamine:

yeah i feel for you also, sorry to hear that. it just pisses me off when people think that they know more then you do but there information is quiet the opposite. sorry to hear about your family, my mom has been trying to make up all those years she took away from me lately, but its hard, shes been clean for what...lets.see...2 weeks. but i know it isnt gonna last. shes too insistant on how shes right about everything. and when another day of depression hits her shell be right back to it. ahh man i need counceling, i got so much shit i wanna say but ahh, this is not really the place to express how i feel about my life. later.

[This message has been edited by I_Tweak_Too (edited 08-07-2003).]

I wasn't aware that 4-Acetoxy-DiPT was naturally occurring...

Take note: there is not much at all known about toxicity or damage caused by 4-Acetoxy-DiPT, therefore, I'd deem it safe to say that it very well could be more harmful than cocaine.

Also, in defense of cocaine, I'll add that nasal damage has not as much to do with cocaine as it does administration route.

[This message has been edited by GOD_Burnsout (edited 08-07-2003).]

Forty Ounces, check your email, i need you to reply sometime soon.

I am glad that I am not the one sending it in the mail and getting snitched off! (If in fact this thread is even true and not some form of manipulation of the readers) either you are stupid or there is a hidden psychological purpose in this thread. I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you, which is probably what I would do.

I would not bet on it being legal either! You have to read and understand the finer details of the law and I don't have time to do that for you, but as I recall, active components of illegal drugs and even some precursers are illegal.

I once found a professional discussion on the web (a mail list) among chemists including government chemists who were analysing and defining the meaning of the law in very much detail with regard to chemical compounds, and I think that they were taling about psilocybin in that particular thread. That was quite awhile back and I don't remember how I found it, or the details, but my recollection of my interpretation was that there is quite a bit of flexibility that the government has in declaring that a chemical compound is illegal, it does not necessarily have to be specifically listed as a controlled substance itself.

Anyway, I took synthetic psilocybin once but so long ago that I can't relate any of that experience to you. I have also taken what I feel is as much natural organic psilocybin mushrooms, (fresh picked in the mountains of South America) as a person can take and still live through it- however, I have read that no fatal dose has ever been determined. The amount that I took was approximately close to half of a bread bag (the bags that a loaf of bread come in). It was a totally cosmic trip wich had several levels of experience and the ultimate experience of becoming one with the universe, so to speak, and this was a culmination of years of extensive experience with hallucinogens used for visonary spiritual enlightenment. I had achieved everything that I had originally set out to achieve with the use of hallucinogenics. It also had a permanent (positive) effect and I never had a need or desire to do any drugs again- that was about 28 years ago.

Anyhow, I read briefly at erowid about this compound, 4-Acetoxy-det, and the experiments of Hoffman and it sounds pretty good to me.

I don't know what your motives are for taking it (if you actually are) but my motives would have been for visionary and spiritual enlightenmnet. I don't understand why you think it is so necessary to do so much 'research' on it- Maybe you should just research it into oblivion for the rest of your life and not even take it.

What is your objective anyway? I just can't relate well to this approach of researching the heck out of something like this. To me it seems like catching a beautiful butterfly and then pulling it apart into a thousand pieces and disecting the parts and then you have something that only technically is a butterfly but looks like a petri dish full of insect guts.

It's just a difference in approach and motives perhaps. Yours may be to document and describe every slight effect, while my approach was to open my mind and experience the visionary/spiritual experience to its fullest.

Whatever, I don't mean to discourage your pursuit, I was just describing my relative experience.

Finally, it is my opinion that cops work and manipulate these boards, if not actually run the whole sites, and come up with some real bullshit threads and sting operations. I personally don't trust any of them.

BTW, WHAT THE FUCK was your purpose in saying that someone here was mailing 4-Acetoxy-det to you in the mail and then later calling on someone personally.

You are probably a cop or informer- what else could one think?

Whatever, either way, as far as I am concerned you can go fuck yourself, for being a cop, working with cops or just being fucking stupid.

holy fuck^ you are loaded full of shit, just about up to the rim. i dont like you.

oh yeah and im a pig, how did you guess?! oink oink.

stupid fucker.

i research EVERY drug before even attempting anything with it. research shouldnt be looked down upon.

and i never said anyone on this board was shipping me anything in the mail, i said some body. sean is a friend of mine helping me out with finding more information about it on and off of this board.

i think you're the cop, and you need to get a life, cause you have waaaay too much time on your hands, to write up something like that discouraging my fucking research?!.

burn in hell with 50cent and the presidentoftheUSA. dick wad.

oh and ClydeR, lay off the fucking drugs for a bit yourself, you are way too fucking paranoid.

quote:Originally posted by ProudWhitePanther:

god damn you chowder heads are nuts, stick to coke and quit hurting yourselves with the idiot shit

proud white panther

Next time I trip, I'll laugh at your addiction...

quote:Originally posted by LoeJ:

Next time I trip, I'll laugh at your addiction...

lol ill be giggling along with you.