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Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference.

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Old 2003-08-01, 05:19
beLIEve beLIEve is offline
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ive read alot about research chemicals lately but the only one ive ever done is 5-meo-amt. i was just wondering what everyone else prefers and why. and yes ive read erowid expirences. i just wanted to know which you all thought was the best for YOU. hell, ill even make why optional
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Old 2003-08-01, 05:21
LysergicLunatic LysergicLunatic is offline
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well, i THINK you can order 5-meo-dmt, that always interested me more than 5-meo-amt. did you like 5-meo-amt?
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Old 2003-08-01, 05:32
FortyOunces FortyOunces is offline
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5-meo-amt is gaining popularity lately because of its cost and amount of doses in one gram this is doesnt make it quality not by any strech, 4-acetoxy-dipt and 4-acetoxy-det are by far the most qualitative along with methylone but because nobodie talks about them you dont bother? well trust me go read up on them. i have mucho 4-aco-det in stock ready to ship to anyone that can send me a money order(i dont give a fuck how old you are) in a discrete envelope



50cents per MG or we can work out a very reasonable price for bigger shipments

[This message has been edited by FortyOunces (edited 08-01-2003).]
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Old 2003-08-01, 05:37
beLIEve beLIEve is offline
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quote:Originally posted by LysergicLunatic:

well, i THINK you can order 5-meo-dmt, that always interested me more than 5-meo-amt. did you like 5-meo-amt?

uhhhh.... YEAH I REALLY LIKE IT. but i guess what from everyone else tells me i feel diffrent than they do when i take it, oh well. i have pretty good connect for reshearch chems. she can get anything she says, so im not worried about actually getting it just what to get.

oh, on a side note you CAN get 5-meo-dmt fairly easily w/a credit card and a little persuation(sp. i know, i know), hehe
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Old 2003-08-01, 05:41
beLIEve beLIEve is offline
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quote:Originally posted by beLIEve:

uhhhh.... YEAH I REALLY LIKE IT. but i guess what from everyone else tells me i feel diffrent than they do when i take it, oh well. i have pretty good connect for reshearch chems. she can get anything she says, so im not worried about actually getting it just what to get.

oh, on a side note you CAN get 5-meo-dmt fairly easily w/a credit card and a little persuation(sp. i know, i know), hehe

shit, didnt see you post 40, thanks. and its not that i do it because everyone talks about it just that i did it once, liked it and havent tried anything else, YET. plus, im not worried about age in the least anyway
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Old 2003-08-02, 06:52
Fragoholic Fragoholic is offline
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There's stuff besides tryptamines too, like phenylethylamines like 2C-C,2C-D,2C-E,2C-I,2C-T-2,2C-T-7... all closely related to the illegal 2C-B. From what i've read the last 3 are the best.
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Old 2003-08-02, 06:54
I_Tweak_Too I_Tweak_Too is offline
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ive heard alot of good things about AMT, but too bad its now an illegal substance that no one i know has, damn i really wanted to try that too.
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Old 2003-08-02, 07:31
The_Stalker The_Stalker is offline
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Whats 4-aco-det do and whats an effective dose? Reading Tihkal, it would seem to be a relative of psyclocin and psyclobin but what are the main differences. BTW it doesnt seem to be in Tihkal.
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Old 2003-08-02, 10:43
GOD_Burnsout GOD_Burnsout is offline
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quote:Originally posted by The_Stalker:

BTW it doesnt seem to be in Tihkal.

uh... it's in there.

and 2C-T-7 is illegal in the US.
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Old 2003-08-02, 17:46
CRaZyAmishMaN CRaZyAmishMaN is offline
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i haven't tried many research chems...

but every one of my 5-meo-DMT trips has given me this awesome feeling of being "watched and protected" sort of...

i dunno... i love the shit...
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Old 2003-08-02, 18:02
Abbess Abbess is offline
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While 2c-T-2 doesn't interest me as much as 2c-b, and 2c-T-7, alas, it's the only RC I can get my grubby little mits on at present. While report back when I've tried it..
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Old 2003-08-03, 06:04
FortyOunces FortyOunces is offline
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http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4_acetoxy_det/4_acetoxy_det.shtml
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Old 2003-08-03, 07:05
JGD JGD is offline
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Hey FortyOunces,

I was wondering if you have any references to people who have purchased via Money Orders or Online from you... Better to be safe than sorry, I am on probation and don't feel like getting busted right now heh.
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Old 2003-08-03, 21:36
FortyOunces FortyOunces is offline
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1. I have several orders on the way, I have only made three succesfull deliverys but thats out of three orders. You cannot be "busted" or get in any other type of truble for purchasing a LEGAL substance

you can contact the people that have orderd from me via AIM :

DeJayChrzOC

and email the 2 others: davidbercowitz@netscape.net

sharptool@netscape.net
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Old 2003-08-03, 21:49
GoNads GoNads is offline
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I didn't have any luck with 5-MeO-AMT. Didn't do a damn thing for me after the one time it did work.

Waste of money if you ask me.
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Old 2003-08-03, 21:58
I_Tweak_Too I_Tweak_Too is offline
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quote:Originally posted by FortyOunces:

1. I have several orders on the way, I have only made three succesfull deliverys but thats out of three orders. You cannot be "busted" or get in any other type of truble for purchasing a LEGAL substance

you can contact the people that have orderd from me via AIM :

DeJayChrzOC

and email the 2 others: davidbercowitz@netscape.net

sharptool@netscape.net



hey FourtyOunces expect an email from me. thanks.



[This message has been edited by I_Tweak_Too (edited 08-03-2003).]
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Old 2003-08-04, 00:29
dimethyltryptamine dimethyltryptamine is offline
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best tryptamine?illegal or not,imo is undoubtably regular ol dmt if youre looking for THE ride of youre life.

never tryed many reseaech chems but yes meo-dmt is legal and sold from many vendors

never tryed any A's(ie aet,amt).

though it isnt a research chem ide like to try adrenochrome semicarbazone dosage is around 100mg and a popular online supplier sells 5 grams for 72 dollars
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Old 2003-08-04, 00:50
GOD_Burnsout GOD_Burnsout is offline
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Sure, adrenochrome could be a research chemical (http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/research_chems/research_chems.shtml#Q1).

Here's an excerpt from this page (http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/adrenochrome.txt):

In the book 'Legal Highs' (Adam Gottlieb) I found this monograph concerning

Adrenochrome Semicarbazone:

Usage: 100 mg is thoroughly dissolved in just enough alcohol, melted fat

(butter), or vegetable oil and ingested. Because of its poor solubility

in water these must be used to aid absorption.

Effects: Physical stimulation, feeling of well-being, slight reduction of

thought processes.

Contraindications: None noted. Act as a systemic hemostatic preventing capilary

bleeding during injury. Adrenochrome causes chemicaly induced schizo-

phrenia. Its semicarbazone does not...

[This message has been edited by GOD_Burnsout (edited 08-04-2003).]
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Old 2003-08-04, 01:03
CRaZyAmishMaN CRaZyAmishMaN is offline
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an exerpt from the same article as above quote:In the body [adrenaline] turns into a toxic hormone called adrenochrome, which in turn can be converted into either of two other compounds: dihydroxyindole or adrenolutin. It is possible that dihydroxyindole balances off adrenaline to reduce tension and irritability; in schizophrenics, however, adrenochrome is converted primarily into adrenolutin, which also is toxic, and the combination of

adrenochrome-adrenolutin results in a poisonous disruption of the brain's chemical processes. That is the theory. And the prescribed antidotes are nicotinic acid (niacin) or nicotinamide (Vitamin B-3).

don't sound too healthy to me...

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Old 2003-08-04, 04:34
dimethyltryptamine dimethyltryptamine is offline
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yes i know gods_burnout,but only erowid says that ive read elsewhere other places,and no one i know or have read has accually tryed it to report the real effects

and to CAM "Dr. Hoffer points out that adrenochrome is not all bad. He believes that the leucocytes use adrenochrome to destroy abnormal cells like cancer cells and that we therefore need a certain amount of adrenochrome in order to control cancer."

_NO_ drugs are healthy
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Old 2003-08-04, 04:36
dimethyltryptamine dimethyltryptamine is offline
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by the way adrenochrome naturally occurs when you get a "adrenaline rush", so thats like saying pissing is bad for you.

piss has ammonia and other bad chemicals in it but it isnt bad for you
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Old 2003-08-04, 05:01
CRaZyAmishMaN CRaZyAmishMaN is offline
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quote:_NO_ drugs are healthyheh

don't get defensive...

and... piss is bad for you.

pissing is healthy for you because you're getting rid of the bad chemicals in piss.

if you had a blockage or another condition that didn't allow you to piss you would die [or come very close to that state]
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Old 2003-08-04, 05:29
dimethyltryptamine dimethyltryptamine is offline
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exactly,and youre body has ways to get rid of it.

alot of bodily chemicals and fluids are bad for you and if BORN with too much of them are the causes for muscular disraphie,down syndrome,add,scitzo,and thousands of other pysical/mental disorders

ive never heard of a roller coaster enthusiests/skydivers/bungee jumpers suddly going scitzo because he rode too many rollar coasters,jumped out of a plane too many times,ect. because adrenochrome is what gives you thast "rush"
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Old 2003-08-04, 09:31
GOD_Burnsout GOD_Burnsout is offline
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funny... I always thought that was adrenaline that causes an "adrenaline rush"
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Old 2003-08-17, 19:06
FortyOunces FortyOunces is offline
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bump
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Old 2003-08-17, 19:49
dimethyltryptamine dimethyltryptamine is offline
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you always have areneline cells in youre body whether youre feeling like shit or just skydove.

adrenochrome is what is released from adreneline cells when you do something interesting

something else ide love to try is bzp,read some reports on that and it sounds amazing
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Old 2003-08-17, 19:58
I_Tweak_Too I_Tweak_Too is offline
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quote:Originally posted by FortyOunces:

i have mucho 4-aco-det in stock ready to ship to anyone that can send me a money order(i dont give a fuck how old you are) in a discrete envelope



50cents per MG or we can work out a very reasonable price for bigger shipments



very true, its good stuff, very fun also, the visuals are similar to shrooms, and i would recommend it to anyone who would want to try something new out. its fun, buy from him it sounds like he's got good prices. later.
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Old 2003-08-24, 09:24
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I live in a small town where all we have is weeb and shrooms and it kinda sucks i wanted to know if i could make some stuff at home to make the town a little better?
 
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