How do you feel about fat people going out with normal people, by normal I mean slim or not so fat but still a little plump.

Even I who is fat would never want to go out with a fat girl, it disgusts me. I also think my body is disgusting and I don't see me going out with anyone before i lose that damn fat.

What's your opinion about that?

Matt

Unless it's glandular, they're disgusting creatures that need to die. How fucking hard is it to PUT DOWN THE FORK?

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

Unless it's glandular, they're disgusting creatures that need to die. How fucking hard is it to PUT DOWN THE FORK?

Sometimes it's genetics working against them. It's not easy. Take anything you do, smoke drink party sleep, and just all together change it. That's how hard it is for fat people.

So what do you think about fat people going out with other non-fat people? Error in teh systumz?

I understand the genetic side of people being fat, but if there just plain lazy.. makes me sick. When i see people with bellies hanging down to there knees, i seriously feel sick to my stomach. I MAY just be a horrible person, but it just pisses me off when people accept being fat and dont do anything about it :S

It's after 17 years that i learnt not to be lazy anymore, and you're right hanging bellies are fucking disgusting. People don't do something if it's hard. They'd rather turn to a so-called weight loos supplement that's worth shit and doesn't work. It pains me to see what today's world has become and to be kinda part of it. At least, i'm doing something to remedy to my situation, unlike milions of other people.

quote:Originally posted by woopsueypigs77:

Sometimes it's genetics working against them. It's not easy. Take anything you do, smoke drink party sleep, and just all together change it. That's how hard it is for fat people.

I changed my entire lifestyle in an instant. It's not hard. It just requires effort, something many fat people are incapable of.

Becoming skinny is as simple as: Use more energy than you're taking it.

I see fat people at the gym, they're disgusting. They do one set on each machine. They stop the second they feel a burn. Seriously, 30 seconds work on each muscle will get you no where. Three minutes on a treadmill will do nothing for you.

Liposuction, anorexia, stomach stapling, bulimia, etc. All quick fixes people try. Not enough people are willing to work for it.

A fat person I see out, walking, I respect quite a bit. They're trying to change their life. But I hate seeing fat people walking to the shops to buy more food, then walking and eating at the same time. Disgusting pieces of shit.

[This message has been edited by arquin (edited 02-10-2007).]

Can you explain how you changed your whole lifestyle in a matter of seconds arquin.

It's funny how as you start to go from being fat into being just huge and built, people start noticing you more and more as a human and not "something that needs to die"... Makes me understand why people just wish they could be white or male...

It's nice to be able to get into shape, though, and feels good.

quote:Originally posted by ShadedAssassin:

I understand the genetic side of people being fat, but if there just plain lazy.. makes me sick. When i see people with bellies hanging down to there knees, i seriously feel sick to my stomach. I MAY just be a horrible person, but it just pisses me off when people accept being fat and dont do anything about it :S

Its true, when they have no reason other then lack of self restraint for being overweight its just annoying. One of my best friends is rather big but she has health problems and cant do anything about it. I know it sounds horrible but i couldnt be sexual with a fat person, i think i would vomit on them :S

quote:Originally posted by arquin:



I see fat people at the gym, they're disgusting. They do one set on each machine. They stop the second they feel a burn. Seriously, 30 seconds work on each muscle will get you no where. Three minutes on a treadmill will do nothing for you.



That's rather naive of you, people have to start somewhere. How do you know if the guy that runs 30 minutes on the treadmill wasn't once fat and now he's worked his way up to that?

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

It's funny how as you start to go from being fat into being just huge and built, people start noticing you more and more as a human and not "something that needs to die"

So fucking true, superficiality(sp?) at its best. This is were we are. Let's take for example a dumbass with a nicely shaped body, and by dumbass I mean unintelligent and illogical, some kind of retard. And now take a fat genius, he's damn intelligent and everything but he's digustingly fat. Who do you think people will talk to first? On their own.



[This message has been edited by Back Alley attack (edited 02-10-2007).]

I consider myself slightly larger than normal (though I still exercise quite a bit), I need some ass and I will go for girls I will consider hot.

Just because I consider myself slightly hot, doesn't mean hot girls won't find me hot.

Against my judgement, many girls find me hot. This, I like.

quote:Originally posted by Back Alley attack:

Can you explain how you changed your whole lifestyle in a matter of seconds arquin.

I moved from where drugs are readily available, my destructive girlfriend lived, all my druggy mates lived, there were no wide open spaces, to the country.

Then I had no drugs, no shitty mates, no girlfriend and a lot of free time to do healthy things.

Vegetables and meat cost less out here, because here is where it's grown. So I eat healthier. My back yard is the bush. I got a dog that requires A LOT of exercise. I started lifting weights, swimming, riding daily (dirt biking is a fully body work out). I eat more, sleep better and look after my self.

People offered to let me live with them in Melbourne. I turned them down, I'm quite happy I did.

quote:Originally posted by kAtE-:



That's rather naive of you, people have to start somewhere. How do you know if the guy that runs 30 minutes on the treadmill wasn't once fat and now he's worked his way up to that?

Of course people progress. But some people are disgustingly lazy. I see people twice my weight doing as much, or less weight than me. I'm pretty sure, working muscles is SUPPOSED to hurt.

You're not supposed to stop running once you raise a sweat, your heart starts beating faster or you start gasping for bigger breaths of air. You're meant to keep going.

I haven't always been healthy, so I can vouch for the success of pushing one's self.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

It's funny how as you start to go from being fat into being just huge and built, people start noticing you more and more as a human and not "something that needs to die"... Makes me understand why people just wish they could be white or male...

It's nice to be able to get into shape, though, and feels good.

No. Just no.

quote:Originally posted by Back Alley attack:

So fucking true, superficiality(sp?) at its best. This is were we are. Let's take for example a dumbass with a nicely shaped body, and by dumbass I mean unintelligent and illogical, some kind of retard. And now take a fat genius, he's damn intelligent and everything but he's digustingly fat. Who do you think people will talk to first? On their own.

lol @ you.

We can now divide people in two categories and no it's not Fat and slim people. It's more like "people with willpower" and "lazy people".

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

lol @ you.

The fuck are you trying to say? I wasn't refering to myself anywhere in that paragraph if that's what you thought.



[This message has been edited by Back Alley attack (edited 02-10-2007).]

quote:Originally posted by Back Alley attack:

So fucking true, superficiality(sp?) at its best. This is were we are. Let's take for example a dumbass with a nicely shaped body, and by dumbass I mean unintelligent and illogical, some kind of retard. And now take a fat genius, he's damn intelligent and everything but he's digustingly fat. Who do you think people will talk to first? On their own.



The fat genius as long as he's confident and able to control the conversation. The dumbass might get more superficial people, but those are the people you don't want to worry about. They're the people that are going to die first.

~~~

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

No. Just no.

You know, when I finally have my belly gone and I post pictures of my six pack and sexy muscles I'm getting from the hour of swimming and hour of weights I do in the morning... What will you DARE insult me over?

Will you have to make up some stuff? Will you just leave totse then? Hell, how about that... If I post a picture of myself, not fat, you leave totse FOREVER? Deal?

quote:Originally posted by ShadedAssassin:

I understand the genetic side of people being fat, but if there just plain lazy.. makes me sick. When i see people with bellies hanging down to there knees, i seriously feel sick to my stomach. I MAY just be a horrible person, but it just pisses me off when people accept being fat and dont do anything about it :S

Thanks man... Thanks. Real confidence booster when your friends say something like this about someone like them... Try to piece that together.

quote:Originally posted by Mabas:

Thanks man... Thanks. Real confidence booster when your friends say something like this about someone like them... Try to piece that together.

Oh come on man! When i say Fat i mean freaky fat. Stomach hanging over steering wheels, the ones that sweat and wheez after walking..THATS fat! -_-'

quote:Originally posted by ShadedAssassin:

Oh come on man! When i say Fat i mean freaky fat. Stomach hanging over steering wheels, the ones that sweat and wheez after walking..THATS fat! -_-'



I don't know, I get mighty out of breath from walking up hills. Bloody hills. I'm moving to Saskatchewan...

quote:Originally posted by Mabas:

I don't know, I get mighty out of breath from walking up hills. Bloody hills. I'm moving to Saskatchewan...

Haha, Well the hills ARE pretty steep here.. So you cant use that as an excuse. Ok ok! Lets say that i was talking about Morbidly obese people.. there..end of discussion.

I'm fat. I started at a nice size.. then pregnancy gets the best of you.. Right when you begin to lose a little bit of weight, you get pregnant again. Go figure. I blame HandOfZek.

quote:Originally posted by Hardly There:

I'm fat. I started at a nice size.. then pregnancy gets the best of you.. Right when you begin to lose a little bit of weight, you get pregnant again. Go figure. I blame HandOfZek.

Well then thats not from being lazy, its from pregnancy and motherhood. Which is great. Congrats and good luck ^_^

quote:Originally posted by ShadedAssassin:

Haha, Well the hills ARE pretty steep here.. So you cant use that as an excuse. Ok ok! Lets say that i was talking about Morbidly obese people.. there..end of discussion.



YOU don't get wheezy walking up the Hills, so there! I am morbidly obese, end of story. Or question... Or discussion... I WIN!

quote:Originally posted by Mabas:

YOU don't get wheezy walking up the Hills, so there! I am morbidly obese, end of story. Or question... Or discussion... I WIN!



I wheez on the inside..i do not show my weaknesses! so ha! And the hills are pretty steep..if a morbidly obese person LOOKED at one, they'd lay down and die :S

I don't hate them in the least. It's not my place to judge people for their decisions.

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

they're disgusting creatures that need to die.

You have obsolutely no redeeming features.

quote:Originally posted by Forgotten:

I don't hate them in the least. It's not my place to judge people for their decisions.



Don't tell me you're one of those "Leave it to God to solve all my problems" people. How do you not understand that we as a people work best in a caveman type environment, where people are praised for being mentally and physically healthy. As a smoker I don't know much about physical health, but I do actually exercise and have study, so that when (or if) I do create kids, I'll not only pass down good genes but be able to fill them with knowledge, love, and whatnot.

The thing I hate about fat people is that they aren't as smart. You can't tell me that somebody who realizes that eating KFC every day is bad for their weight, but continues to do so is smart. That's common sense. You don't have to be a nuclear physicist to realize that a change in lifestyle goes a long way. And to the people who claim it's "genetic", it's not. Metabolism is the sum of all catabolic and anabolic reaction in the body. If ENERGY SPENT > CALORIC INTAKE that means you're losing weight. And if you truly have some fucked up disease, then by the laws of eugenics you shouldn't be allowed to breed anyway.

My girlfriend is fat. And I love her. Which doesn't make any sense because I'm not even close to fat, but whatever.

Looks shouldn't matter. Unless they're like so ugly that...

yeah. Then it matters.

Oh boo hoo, the poor fatties and their genes.

Losing weight is easy. I can drop or gain 5 lbs on a whim if I feel so inclined. I don't want to hear any of this bullshit metabolism stuff. Exercise, and you will burn more calories. Eat less, and you lose weight. there's nothing else to it.

I'm extreamly fat. I've been with 4 girls, and had 2 relationships, only one of the girls I've been with was fat, and we were just good friends who occasionally got drunk and fucked.

I eat an extreamly informed, and healthy diet, and I get exercise everyday. I do all of this just to maintain my current weight, because my metabolism is terribly slow.

You have to approach women differently when you're fat. You can't just go out and have one night stands, you have to invest a lot of time into a girl.

While I understand that fat people are fat because of genetics, poor lifestyles, or a combination of the two....what really bugs me is when said fat folks, and/or their supporters say "God made me/her/him that way, and you should just accept it." I'm like...???? you poor.... poor stupid, sick fuck!

For the sake of argument we will assume that God exists and has done all that present day Christians claim he has done. God set up laws...laws of physics (laws of motion, aerodynamics, etc, chemistry ( biochem, explosives, etc, and biology (animal anatomy, human anatomy, etc). We all were not born with a clean slate and then just decided to be either fat, handsome, or whatever. But that doesn't mean we can't change the way we are. God didn't make somebody fat....due to genetics and any other blame-able source, they got fat. It is that person's acceptance of submission unto failure that makes them, ,and certainly keeps them, fat!

It just pisses me off when people don't own up to their own shortcomings, and look for an easy out.

And to answer the starting thread, I think it's fine for the overweight-borderline fat folks to date other nonfat people. I just can't stand the outright fat people that don't give a damn with skinnies that do.

Im not fat, but I have a little gut. I personally would never go out with a fat girl, but not because their fat. Heres my reason. Most large females try to play it off like they aren't big by dressing and acting like someone skinnier(sp). I don't want that kind of attitude from someone. My girlfriend isn't a stick but she isn't fat.She's perfect.

Being fat is part nature and nurture.

What I can't stand is fat chicks complaining about the fact they get no action.

Lose some weight bitch, you eat like a horse.

No fat chicks.

Chicks with a little chubbyness are alright, if it complements their personality.

About the fat genius... If he was so smart, wouldn't he know that he'd be better off losing some weight?

That's why I say all fat people are stupid. If they weren't stupid, they wouldn't be fat.

This thread is full of more bullshit and self delusion then your average Bad Ideas thread.

Fucking christ.

fat people disgust me...and what I say is the only thing that matters...NUFF SAID!!!

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

Will you have to make up some stuff? Will you just leave totse then? Hell, how about that... If I post a picture of myself, not fat, you leave totse FOREVER? Deal?

Uh, no? He'll still see you as the annoying dumbass that you've always were and always will be..

Stop being such a superficial asshole.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

You know, when I finally have my belly gone and I post pictures of my six pack and sexy muscles I'm getting from the hour of swimming and hour of weights I do in the morning... What will you DARE insult me over?

Will you have to make up some stuff? Will you just leave totse then? Hell, how about that... If I post a picture of myself, not fat, you leave totse FOREVER? Deal?

I wonder how many times you've said that.

Even if you do miraculously become fit, you are still a creepy fucking loser.

CptnCrackHound, this is the huge problem with our society and it can be found at every level and everywhere. People wanting taxes on cigarettes to discourage smoking, blaming fastfood companies for obesity, wanting gun control, politicians claiming they were "tricked", declining school test scores supposedly being because of lack of funding, etc. it all boils down to people not wanting to take personal responsiblity!

Our shitty and backwards culture is one where people don't want to take responsiblity for their own actions and shortcomings, and instead point fingers outwards when they should be pointing at a mirror.

Can 2 really fat people fuck? Is it even possible?!

Good ol' Carlin.

I have a fat friend, and I feel really sorry for her. She's ridiculously LAZY.

My friend and I took her shopping to the city, and she complained the whole time about having to walk so much and needing to sit down, and every time we'd go into a shop she'd just find the nearest seat and sit down and wait. We asked if she wanted to go anywhere to look at stuff (and there were shops to cater for her size around the area) and no, she just wanted to have lunch.

She got a dog, with full intention of taking it for walks every night. I don't know how long that lasted, but it would have been less than two months, and she got sick of the dog and got rid of it.

She got a job at a friends mum's shop, and didn't do anything asked of her (Like cleaning or stuff) because she didn't feel like it and would rather watch the TV. She quit maybe a month or two later.

She used to walk to the bus stop, which was just up the road from her house (Like 200 metres) but she'd eat (some sort of bakery treat) while doing it.

I just feel really sorry for her, because she's a really pretty girl, but she just doesn't seem to have any motivation to lose weight at all. She's going to uni this year, and I hope that will be good for her, because it's just sad.



Edit: I just realised I missed the point of this thread. Every person to their own, if a skinny person wants to be with a fat person, that's their business. What does it really matter? It bothers me more when two fat people get together, because neither of them are going to get any better, since they both probably have the same problem.

[This message has been edited by Kimness (edited 02-10-2007).]

Yeah, I used to be a chubberz... then i lost like 40 pounds and now i'm gorgeous!!! wahahaha. Fuck fatties.

quote:Originally posted by Rykoshet:

As a smoker I don't know much about physical health, but I do actually exercise and have study, so that when (or if) I do create kids, I'll not only pass down good genes but be able to fill them with knowledge, love, and whatnot.

The thing I hate about fat people is that they aren't as smart. You can't tell me that somebody who realizes that eating KFC every day is bad for their weight, but continues to do so is smart. That's common sense.

whoa, wait.. the smoker is saying other people are stupid for doing something they know isnt healthy?

I hope I'm not the only one who sees the irony in that.

Admittedly, some people are just lazy. I'm not saying that they shouldnt put an effort into getting exercise and some dieting, but not everyone is so lucky to have a sky high metabolism. Know why that is? in the days of real, hard labour, from cavemen to horses and plows, the people that could survive on less would get further.

So, those that burnt less calories through the basic funtions of being alive would undergo natural selection, especially in any times of famine, when these people would live the longest.

Again, not excusing the obese these days, I'm overwight myself, and have been working my ass off (literally) for awhile now. Does the weight melt off like some of you seem to think it would? no. Its coming slowly, very slowly, sometimes bouncing back up for no apparent reason.

Took time to put it on, takes time to work it off.

Wow, I think i just got the nicest collection of ignorants fucks in my thread. Fat people are stupid? Wtf are you smoking, get over yourself dumbass. What makes people fat is the lack of exersice and overeating, not being stupid. It pains me to see how some people are incredibly superficial and jump to easy conclusion. Hmm what about all skinny people are drugs addicts, yeah that sounds right....

quote:Originally posted by Back Alley attack:

Wow, I think i just got the nicest collection of ignorants fucks in my thread. Fat people are stupid? Wtf are you smoking, get over yourself dumbass. What makes people fat is the lack of exersice and overeating, not being stupid. It pains me to see how some people are incredibly superficial and jump to easy conclusion. Hmm what about all skinny people are drugs addicts, yeah that sounds right....

True.

quote:Originally posted by Back Alley attack:

Fat people are stupid? Wtf are you smoking, get over yourself dumbass. What makes people fat is the lack of exersice and overeating, not being stupid.

If you refuse to acknowledge you have a problem and make an effort to fix it, then you are stupid. Quite simple actually.

quote:Originally posted by Back Alley attack:

Hmm what about all skinny people are drugs addicts, yeah that sounds right....

When did anyone in this thread say these people aren't stupid as well?

this thread has more ignorance than and racist could even pray foor at a kkk meeting. For all those saying how you can change so easily, stop smoking or drinking, or even watching a show you like. Once you fail at that you'll realize how stupid you are.

You say thats its okay if genetics or disease makes a person fat. Well, how will you know if that is their reason? You shouldn't judge people right off. Get to know a person.

quote:Originally posted by Kimness:

I just feel really sorry for her, because she's a really pretty girl, but she just doesn't seem to have any motivation to lose weight at all. She's going to uni this year, and I hope that will be good for her, because it's just sad.

She'll probably get even fatter. Most people do, because of all the shit they feed you there. Check out a college cafeteria sometime, it's disgusting.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

Will you have to make up some stuff? Will you just leave totse then? Hell, how about that... If I post a picture of myself, not fat, you leave totse FOREVER? Deal?

Here's the deal. Any time you want, create a thread: "Who would you rather sleep with: Arquin or Gus". Then we both post nudes/topless photos in it. If more girls agree they'd rather sleep with you, I'll leave for ever. If more girls agree they'd rather sleep with me, you just shut up.

I'm willing to make my stakes for losing more than yours, because I'm so confident I couldn't lose. Even if you improve your body, your face is hideous. I'm a naturally athletic gymnast-ish body. Skinny and muscular. Bring it on tubby-chubs.

I'm kind of glad this thread got started. Right now I'm fat (6", 220 lbs) and out of shape. Monday I'm starting a 100 day program (not anything "published" program; I've come up with all the workouts and the diet). The diet won't be that difficult for me, as I already avoid sodas, chips, and sweets (right now all I really eat for junk food is peanuts, crackers, and granola bars). But I'm cutting out all carbonated drinks and fried foods, and limiting my portions alot. I'm going to work out an hour a day, 6 days a week, and take a picture every night. Then, when I'm done, compile all the pictures into a short video (you've seen the kind I'm talking about) and see how much my body can change in 100 days time.

If I look good, I'll even post nekkid pics for the ladies.

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

dy, your face is hideous.

He looks like redneck pedophile.

quote:Originally posted by hypno:

For all those saying how you can change so easily, stop smoking or drinking, or even watching a show you like. Once you fail at that you'll realize how stupid you are.

I don't smoke so I couldn't say, and I only drink in moderation so giving that up wouldn't be hard. The bottom line is, that if anything I was doing was giving me an extremely unhealthy body, low energy, higher risk for disease, and on top of that making me much less attractive to the opposite sex, I would and certainly could change.

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

I'm kind of glad this thread got started. Right now I'm fat (6", 220 lbs) and out of shape. Monday I'm starting a 100 day program (not anything "published" program; I've come up with all the workouts and the diet). The diet won't be that difficult for me, as I already avoid sodas, chips, and sweets (right now all I really eat for junk food is peanuts, crackers, and granola bars). But I'm cutting out all carbonated drinks and fried foods, and limiting my portions alot. I'm going to work out an hour a day, 6 days a week, and take a picture every night. Then, when I'm done, compile all the pictures into a short video (you've seen the kind I'm talking about) and see how much my body can change in 100 days time.

If I look good, I'll even post nekkid pics for the ladies.

Respect.

^

DRlnk GUyy Agreetad!!!!

I'm a pretty honest guy. I would call myself slightly overweight (i am 95kg and I think 85kgs would be ideal, but giving that I am gaining more muscle mass I imagine my ideal weight will be in the low 90's), and as a slightly overweight person looking to lose weight, I feel I should make a few points.

For better or for worse, I have to work with what God's given me. And it's just a fact of life I have a slow metabolism. Now I'm not whining about it or using an excuse (it just means I have to work harder), but the fact of the matter is I do more work and eat better than people with faster metabolisms and get less out of it. (though I consider it character building, and especially satisfying when I surpass my effortlessly skinny mates anyway )

Come to think of it, this must be why so many fat people admire Vegeta from Dragonball Z...

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

I changed my entire lifestyle in an instant. It's not hard. It just requires effort, something many fat people are incapable of.

I would have to agree most fat people aren't capable of it. Hell most unhealthy skinny fucks don't give a damn they can't run or pump iron. But you should realise, as a naturally skinny person who finds it extremely hard to gain weight that not everybody can just snap their fingers and get skinny within a month, even with alot of hard work and dedicated life style.

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

I see fat people at the gym, they're disgusting. They do one set on each machine. They stop the second they feel a burn. Seriously, 30 seconds work on each muscle will get you no where. Three minutes on a treadmill will do nothing for you.

Dude, when I started out three minutes on a treadmill would have a fucking killed me. Instead of judging people on how much they can do or how long they run for, judge them on how much they exhaust themselves. The fat guy puffing like a motherfucker drenched in sweat and almost collapsing deserves more props than the smirking greek God lifting big weights and not even breaking a sweat.

And believe me, it is a huge blow to your ego to be that fat guy expending a huge amount of effort for things others can do easily especially in a public place like a gym, so I think it shows a fuckload of character to stick with it.

quote:Originally posted by rabbitweed:

The fat guy puffing like a motherfucker drenched in sweat and almost collapsing deserves more props than the smirking greek God lifting big weights and not even breaking a sweat.

Yeah, I remember in this one fitness book this one guy who started out, day one of his workout, he could only do 2 minutes on the treadmill.

One month later he was up to 45 minute walks around the neighborhood at a fast clip where his 20 year old daughter had a tough time keeping up.

So yeah, you're right.

Also, weight kind of sucks as a judgement because I know shit loads of skinny people who couldn't run for shit and who have no strength.

Some of you really need to be hit with some fucking knowledge. I actually don't think I've seen a serious (serious enough) thread with so many fucking unimformed replies (and this is coming from someone that mods SG!)

Firstly - A number of you think fat people are stupid, because if they were somehow more intelligent then they wouldn't eat so much? I mean please, where is the logic in that? It has nothing to do with ones intelligence so you can scrap that myth people. Just because a number of fat people (and this is not all) are unimformed about a balanced diet doesn't mean they're stupid. Infact, your'll find a lot of larger people know a lot more about what food is 'bad' compared to smaller people.

You see PLENTY of smaller people chowing down on maccas, kfc etc - Do you call them stupid too?

Genetics plays a huge part in how people physically develop. Personally my parents are both larger people and prone to gaining weight. The perfect example of this is my sister who is extremely fit and strong, but she still battles with her weight even when shes swimming 3 times a week, speed skating AND cycling. She eats some shit but she has to be careful.

Me on the other hand? I have to watch my diet like a hawk. I'm currently losing weight at the moment, so I can get into my healthy weight range.

And I'm telling you, its NOT AS EASY as some of you may think. I'm not talking about the selfcontrol issues but its more the social one. I go out with my friends and we have to pick to go somewhere where I can eat because if I just decide to go have fast food, I'll gain a kg that week, even with doing exercise. Do you think thats really fair? That for the rest of my life, as long as I want to be small I can't even treat myself? While my friends who are all small, can eat fast food 4+ times a week and not gain a pound? My only satisfcation is knowing that it'll catch up on them when they're older.

I have to sweeten eveything with fake sugar, do you think that's really good for me in the long run? The amount of preservatives I have to eat to maintain a normal healthy weight?

I can't go out and drink what ever I want at a bar, everythings far too sweet and loaded with sugar - good thing I'm a wine drinker.

So maybe before some of you decide to mouth off about people that are overweight and pull out some shocking generalisations maybe you should actually talk to someone that does battle with their weight constantly.



Oh and I laugh at the fucking ciggie smokers that call fat people stupid - at least we need food to live, your cancerstick on the otherhand is nothing more then a god damn want.

Oh and you can't just expect people to up and change their lifestyle because you think they can/should. No one can lose weight until they are truely sure that they WANT to lose the weight.

I would document my weight loss for totse, but I truely don't believe the maturity level on this site can cope with such a thing.

quote:Originally posted by rabbitweed:

Instead of judging people on how much they can do or how long they run for, judge them on how much they exhaust themselves. The fat guy puffing like a motherfucker drenched in sweat and almost collapsing..

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

You're not supposed to stop running once you raise a sweat, your heart starts beating faster or you start gasping for bigger breaths of air. You're meant to keep going.

I really fucking hate it when people don't read what I say.

That's what I'm saying. Fat cunts are disgusting pieces of shit BECAUSE they're not willing to raise a sweat and exhaust them selves. If they are, I have no problem with them.

quote:Originally posted by rabbitweed:

The fat guy puffing like a motherfucker drenched in sweat and almost collapsing deserves more props than the smirking greek God lifting big weights and not even breaking a sweat.

No. That's plain ignorance. Do you think he started out that way? No. The difference is the fat guy will give up working out and start eating deep fried Mars bars with in two weeks. The Greek "god" will continue working out.

quote:Originally posted by rabbitweed:

But you should realise, as a naturally skinny person who finds it extremely hard to gain weight that not everybody can just snap their fingers and get skinny within a month, even with alot of hard work and dedicated life style.

I really hope you know gaining muscle is extremely harder than losing fat.

You can lose fat by sitting on a couch and not eating for days.

To gain muscle mass (and keeping body fat % down) you have to do everything a fat person does to lose weight plus it involves lifting heavy weights, and adding a large amount of carbohydrates and protein into your diet.

I'd love for them to make a show opposite to the biggest loser, "the smallest loser", a show about naturally skinny people gaining muscle. It'd prove just how hard it is.

You know why fat people struggle in a gym? Because they let them selves get fat in the first place. Why the fuck should I show them an iota of repsect? When a person starts taking heroin on a regular basis, then becomes addicted, then when he complains about not being able to function in society, am I supposed to show him any sympathy or take him seriously? Fuck no, because they allowed them selves to become addicts. Just like fat people, they allowed it to happen. Sure, I said "people who have glandular problems, fair enough". And of course there are exceptions, some people can't help it, but the rest of them can fuck off

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quote:Originally posted by arquin:

Here's the deal. Any time you want, create a thread: "Who would you rather sleep with: Arquin or Gus". Then we both post nudes/topless photos in it. If more girls agree they'd rather sleep with you, I'll leave for ever. If more girls agree they'd rather sleep with me, you just shut up.

I'm willing to make my stakes for losing more than yours, because I'm so confident I couldn't lose. Even if you improve your body, your face is hideous. I'm a naturally athletic gymnast-ish body. Skinny and muscular. Bring it on tubby-chubs.

So noted... This is even MORE of a reason for me to drop more pounds. Thanks!

quote:Originally posted by kAtE-:

So maybe before some of you decide to mouth off about people that are overweight and pull out some shocking generalisations maybe you should actually talk to someone that does battle with their weight constantly.

I do talk to some one like that. One of my best buddies who I've been close to for 12 years. He makes me feel like there's no hope for humanity when I see him excersise. A 90kg, solid guy, lifting low weight, low reps. Why? Because when things start hurting, he stops. I used to watch him do push ups, he'd do 3, then start giggling, then drop. He'd always laugh in an attempt to make us think "he stopped doing pushups because he started laughing, and cant do them both at the same time". Yeah, right. I watched him fail the army tests, because he has no motivation.

So yeah, I do talk to some one who struggles with their weight and fails. You know he deserves to be fat, prone to diabetes, heart disease and a bad back? Because everytime I ask him if he wants to come to the gym/go for a run/swimming/play sport/etc, he makes up a pathetic excuse.

There are other people as well. My mum is fat. Some of my other mates as well. So my opinion is an informed one.

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

I really hope you know gaining muscle is extremely harder than losing fat.

You can lose fat by sitting on a couch and not eating for days.

To gain muscle mass (and keeping body fat % down) you have to do everything a fat person does to lose weight plus it involves lifting heavy weights, and adding a large amount of carbohydrates and protein into your diet.

I'd love for them to make a show opposite to the biggest loser, "the smallest loser", a show about naturally skinny people gaining muscle. It'd prove just how hard it is.

You know why fat people struggle in a gym? Because they let them selves get fat in the first place. Why the fuck should I show them an iota of repsect? When a person starts taking heroin on a regular basis, then becomes addicted, then when he complains about not being able to function in society, am I supposed to show him any sympathy or take him seriously? Fuck no, because they allowed them selves to become addicts. Just like fat people, they allowed it to happen. Sure, I said "people who have glandular problems, fair enough". And of course there are exceptions, some people can't help it, but the rest of them can fuck off



I don't suppose you're going to answer my post?

Ya, its hard to gain weight, but dude you had an unhealthy druggie lifestyle (as far as your've told us) that probably prevented you from gaining weight and muscle, the fact that you started with very little would of course make it hard for you to gain it. No ones saying you're not to be commended on your efforts, but please - just because YOU can lose weight easy, doesn't mean that everyone else can.

So think about how hard it was for you to gain weight/muscle and then apply that to someone that's trying to lose the weight, and to tone up. Stop playing the victim as well.

lawl we posted at the same time

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

I do talk to some one like that. One of my best buddies who I've been close to for 12 years. He makes me feel like there's no hope for humanity when I see him excersise. A 90kg, solid guy, lifting low weight, low reps. Why? Because when things start hurting, he stops. I used to watch him do push ups, he'd do 3, then start giggling, then drop. He'd always laugh in an attempt to make us think "he stopped doing pushups because he started laughing, and cant do them both at the same time". Yeah, right. I watched him fail the army tests, because he has no motivation.

So yeah, I do talk to some one who struggles with their weight and fails. You know he deserves to be fat, prone to diabetes, heart disease and a bad back? Because everytime I ask him if he wants to come to the gym/go for a run/swimming/play sport/etc, he makes up a pathetic excuse.

There are other people as well. My mum is fat. Some of my other mates as well. So my opinion is an informed one.

And that comes under what I said in my second post, if he truely wanted to lose the weight he'd do it, but you can't push someone into doing something they haven't made the mental choice about doing.

90kg's for a guy isn't what I'd consider fat, how tall is he?

EDIT: Maybe he's also embaressed to exercise with you? I sure as hell will not exercise with my friends, or in public.

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Arquin, I hate laziness too and I hate times where I've been lazy and complacent in my life, but if you can just accept this I'd be happy:

The effort people put into their body does not accurately translate into how they look. There are people out there who could work half as hard as you to gain muscle yet still gain more during the same time period. Ditto for fat loss. That's really the only thing I want to say.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

So noted... This is even MORE of a reason for me to drop more pounds. Thanks!

You're a sad sad guy if a random person in another country you know from a message board becomes a part of your incentive to lose weight. Your incentive should be that no sane girl with a normal level of vision would be in a intimate relationship with you.



quote:Originally posted by kAtE-:

So think about how hard it was for you to gain weight/muscle and then apply that to someone that's trying to lose the weight, and to tone up. Stop playing the victim as well.

Both ends of the spectrum have a hard job, I admit that. Fat people have hard work cut out to them. But I've never known a fat kid with an acive life style. EVER. But I have known stick thin kids with active lifestyles. That to me says that there is more work involved in become normal for a skinny kid. Correct me if I'm wrong.



quote:Originally posted by kAtE-:

And that comes under what I said in my second post, if he truely wanted to lose the weight he'd do it, but you can't push someone into doing something they haven't made the mental choice about doing..

he wants to lose weight. He always starts these little two week attempts. Then quits. He'll be like "okay, no deep fried foods or soft drinks", then later that day he'll have KFC chicken & chips with a large coke. "Oh only this once". That never works. That is seriously the mind set of an addict. You have to go all or nothing when you try and modify your body.

Any way, we're concerned for his health, that's why we're hard on him.

quote:Originally posted by kAtE-:

90kg's for a guy isn't what I'd consider fat, how tall is he?

Well, he tells us he weights 90k. But we're pretty sure he weighs 102kg. My friend's parents stole an electric scale from the clinic they work at. It saves to memory the last 3 weights. After my fat friend went on it (fully clothed and wearing shoes), my other friend saw that it was 102, so I'm guessing he weighs just under 100kg. He's exactly 6 foot.



quote:Originally posted by kAtE-:

EDIT: Maybe he's also embaressed to exercise with you? I sure as hell will not exercise with my friends, or in public.

I can understand why he'd be embarrassed. He stands around doing nothing even if it was his idea to go.

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Look, fat people are disgusting and a fucking cancer on the whole race. If it is genetics, and I agree that part of it is, then whatever...no good looking bitches with good genes are going to fuck you, so eventually you're shitty genes will be squeezed out of the gene pool. Can't have any obese motherfuckers representin out species in the universe. We need to be mobile and agile.

And if it's a case of willpower, then whatever, because my willpower>your's so I'm not sweatin you. I'll just turn my head so I don't have to look at how revolting you are.

quote:Originally posted by rabbitweed:

The effort people put into their body does not accurately translate into how they look. There are people out there who could work half as hard as you to gain muscle yet still gain more during the same time period. Ditto for fat loss. That's really the only thing I want to say.

I completely realize this. It's the same with all aspects of life. Some people are just naturally good at things. Sometimes that thing is having a great body, or gaining muscle. Damn ass hats and their superior genetics.

Arquin, it really sounds like hes needs to get on a diet plan that is relatively easy and which can control the amount of calories he eats everyday - with exercise to compliment it. Get him to look into something like weight watchers which looks at the amount of kj's, sugar, and saturated fat in foods. As soon as the weight from eating right starts falling off him, he'll find it easier, and want to exercise more.

A girl I really really like is slightly overweight but somehow she's freakishly strong too, personality rocks, lovely face. So why does she NEED to lose any weight... She doesn't. Because she's beautiful the way she is. But these beached whales I see walking about our streets i feel like stabbing them with a medieval pike. With poison on it. And on fire.

quote:Originally posted by ShadedAssassin:

I understand the genetic side of people being fat, but if there just plain lazy.. makes me sick. When i see people with bellies hanging down to there knees, i seriously feel sick to my stomach. I MAY just be a horrible person, but it just pisses me off when people accept being fat and dont do anything about it :S

It shits me off no end when theres a documentary on TV, and It's about horridly overweight people and their struggle.

The whole documentary is talking about how hard it is to be fat, and how it sucks for them, and how they're so unlucky. In one scene its got a dude in some kind of weight loss hospital, and it's going on about how hard it is there. So hard, in fact, that it said his wife had to go out and get him a big mac, to make it easier! (and it seriously tried to use that to gain sympathy)

WHY DO YOU THINK YOU'RE STILL FAT? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING EATING A BIG MAC AND THEN COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW HARD IT IS TO LOSE WEIGHT?!?!? GAAAAAAAH!!!!

I don't hate fat people, I hate fat people who go on disability or ask for sympathy, when its their own goddamn doing.

I've always hated fat people.

Whether they be the lazy kind or the kind that is actually trying to help themselves.

For one, they're the ones stupid enough to have gotten fat.

I used to be fat and I hated myself so much that I started biking every single day for hours and started doing drugs. It's hard for me to even gain weight now.

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i'm the fat guy that didn't get fat, i just was. not ridiculously obese fat, but still.

i've been boxing 3 times a week for the past 3 months. cycling whenever i can. tomorrow night i start football training. eating less and less of the bad foods (hard when you work at a pie shop). i'm now reasonably fit.

but guess what. i'm still pretty fat. less fat than i was, but it's still there.

that's how hard it is to lose weight. you have to be on the ball 100%. enough of this "losing weight is easy" business.

I can understand genetics making you broad, thick or chunky, but not morbidly obese. Ew.

People can date who they want, and if they want to be fat, then fine, let them be fat. Personally, I would rather die than spend my life as a lazy fat ass.

I may have posted this already, but meh.

Fat people that sit around doing dick all the whole day, eating disgusting crappy food and being over-all leeches on our public healthcare system when they get a heart attack/diabetes/WHATEVER because they're too fucking fat... FUCK THAT. I hate those assholes.

Fat people who actually try to lose weight, exercise, watch what they eat, etc... I hate them a little less. You still managed to get fat though. But you're trying. As long as you're not going to Mcdonalds on your way home from the gym, good for you man.

And I think it was kate that said something about skinny people being able to eat junkfood and not gain a pound. SO WHAT? Just because our metabolism doesn't suck we should feel guilty about it?

And arquin was taking about gaining muscle... in general that's true. There's some skinny people that can put on muscle ridiculously quick. If I work out hard for a week I'll definitely see results. But I also see other people that work out for months and their progress is much slower. Just depends on your body type. That being said though, aside from genetics, there is no excuse for being obese. A little overweight is understandable. But when you're out of breath after a flight of stairs? You're better off climbing a few more flights and then jumping.

quote:Originally posted by Isobutane:

I can understand genetics making you broad, thick or chunky, but not morbidly obese. Ew.

People can date who they want, and if they want to be fat, then fine, let them be fat. Personally, I would rather die than spend my life as a lazy fat ass.

quote:Originally posted by Demoiselle:



Fat people that sit around doing dick all the whole day, eating disgusting crappy food and being over-all leeches on our public healthcare system when they get a heart attack/diabetes/WHATEVER because they're too fucking fat... FUCK THAT. I hate those assholes.

Fat people who actually try to lose weight, exercise, watch what they eat, etc... I hate them a little less. You still managed to get fat though. But you're trying. As long as you're not going to Mcdonalds on your way home from the gym, good for you man.

And I think it was kate that said something about skinny people being able to eat junkfood and not gain a pound. SO WHAT? Just because our metabolism doesn't suck we should feel guilty about it?



No one said you should feel guilty about it, but realise that just because its easy for you, it dosent make it easy for everyone.

You could compare it to say.. wanting to buy something. The price tag on that something says $500, but somehow you manage to buy it for just $100. The next person who comes along, is charged $1000 for it.

Maybe you dont feel bad, but can you not agree that the person who came after you really got ripped off? The same genes that helped people to survive when food was scarse and physical labour was abundant now curse them to be called lazy assholes.

It is incredibly easy to be overweight in our society, in the USA, the stats say, what? 50% of people are overweight or obese?

I think its actually higher than that.

I know you guys are all talking shit about fat people or whatever,

but look at tyra banks! She is fine as hell, even with a little extra junk in the trunk. I'd do her!

I have gone out with fat guys before, and I am not fat. I didnt think much of it. I think that most of the time, anyone can get anyone if they're charming and persistant enough.

I saw a guy who i didnt think was attractive, and then he opened his mouth and he was charming and sexy as hell... and i suddenly thought he was hot.

Its more of an attitude to me.

I even think that fat guys are hot sometimes before they open their mouths. If they dress well, have pretty eyes.... or even sometimes im attracted to guys who i know are ugly in my head, but something about the fact that they're ugly makes them hot.

I'm weird I guess, so to each her own (or his own).

The only thing that pisses me the hell off is when I see a really skinny white trash guy with a fat white trash woman, lugging around their white trash kids.

And the reason is: I know that the bigmacs that the fat white woman are eating are wayyyyy cheaper than any of the coke or alcohol that the skinny white guy is buying before he beats his wife and kids....

Everyone has their own addiction... and the fat woman should get bitched out for hers because at least hers is cheaper

Sometimes, totse seems like some kinda gor paradise.

quote:Originally posted by Katzekratzer:

The same genes that helped people to survive when food was scarse and physical labour was abundant now curse them to be called lazy assholes.



That's an interesting point. The first have been made last, and the last made first.

But it doesn't apply to anyone who eat all the time and exercise none of the time, even though they know it makes them obese. It's pure self-indulgence.

quote:Originally posted by Hardly There:

I'm fat. I started at a nice size.. then pregnancy gets the best of you.. Right when you begin to lose a little bit of weight, you get pregnant again. Go figure. I blame HandOfZek.

Lol

quote:Originally posted by SlapinFoFun:

Look, fat people are disgusting and a fucking cancer on the whole race. If it is genetics, and I agree that part of it is, then whatever...no good looking bitches with good genes are going to fuck you, so eventually you're shitty genes will be squeezed out of the gene pool. Can't have any obese motherfuckers representin out species in the universe

If only that worked for stupid people too. Ironically, they breed by far the most. Natural selection went down the gutter long time ago

I do enjoy the way you think with your dick when judging what humans are 'worthy'. Then again, who am I to say what's the criteria

Ironically the bulk of the people in this thread use drugs, smoke and/or drink

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I know plenty of skinny people who have a completely sedentary lifestyle, drink, and eat junkfood.

I choose the chubby healthy girl any day

Grrrr, this thread is gonna make me get back on my exercise program. I need to start running and cycling again...

quote:Originally posted by Demoiselle:



And I think it was kate that said something about skinny people being able to eat junkfood and not gain a pound. SO WHAT? Just because our metabolism doesn't suck we should feel guilty about it?

.

Now now, don't you your panties in a knot. I never said anyone should feel guilty, of all people that should be offended by this thread, you my skinny friend should not.

Obviously since you got so damn offended by that, your'll be pleased to know if you do indeed eat like that that you're fat on the inside and almost just as unhealthy as a larger person. It'll catch up on you as you get into your mid 20's.