i dont know when the fuck to call her..."her" being the girl who i asked for, and got, her number...but i dont know what the fuck to do, i dont know where i should go w/ her, i dont know when to ask, i dont know what to do...this is a typical first for me...please help? feel free to flame, i guess...

-Kman101

Call no more than 24-48 hours after recieving number, and ask to go out for lunch or something (tell her you're buying)

kk, what if its been longer, and if i have no money?

Call now and ask her over to play video games/ watch a movie/ hang at the park/ anything else that doesn't involve money.

Edit: rejection is a 50/50 chance, I suggest going along the lines of "hey, you wanna *insert activity*" and adding "sometime" at the end to generalise.

[This message has been edited by azalie (edited 12-23-2006).]

ok, that will work...shit, i dont know if i should make a move...because, i might seem to...cocky?

Confidence is good, it's when you expect her to say "yes" that it seems cocky.

not trying to be weird, but this would be a hell of a lot easier in a chatroom, if anyone feels like it, and if you do, here they are, im logged onto both:

aim:masterrocklee

msn:happyblunt101

quote:Originally posted by kman101:

ok, that will work...shit, i dont know if i should make a move...because, i might seem to...cocky?

Dontcha just hate making that first phone call..I know that I always did and still do but it is something that us guys have to do...You shouldn't worry about coming on to strong or being cocky because thats the kind of guys girls like.



Everybody in my family is shy and anti-social..If I weren't so damn good looking I would have never got any pussy...

Anyway, call her up and act confident but not cocky..be cool...thats all..Ask her to meet you at the local pub...Look her in the eyes when talking and let her know what you like about her..Women love flattery..I know this is all easier said than done but you had better believe that I will take my advice when the OPPORTUNITY arrives...

quote:Originally posted by RobinHood:

Ask her to meet you at the local pub...

"cough" im 15 "cough"

quote:Originally posted by azalie:

Call no more than 24-48 hours after recieving number, and ask to go out for lunch or something (tell her you're buying)

This rule has never worked for me. The best dates usually end up calling me since we exchange numbers.

However, if I am feeling cocky and confident, I'll wait an extra day or two to build tension then call them up and act relaxed and casual.

If anything, it gives them something different to think about. Acting different than 99% of the crowd goes a LONG way.

Edit: Don't make any moves on the first date. Especially if you're only 15. Your goal on the first date is to make a damn good impression and score a second date. If things go well, worry about "making a move" after like the third date. Don't even think about trying to getting near second base until the girl is comfortable as hell being around you.

[This message has been edited by the_inner_war (edited 12-23-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by the_inner_war:



However, if I am feeling cocky and confident, I'll wait an extra day or two to build tension then call them up and act relaxed and casual.





Grr, I hate it when guys do that but then I usually don't bother when that happens.

quote:Originally posted by azalie:

Grr, I hate it when guys do that but then I usually don't bother when that happens.

quote:Originally posted by azalie:

Grr, I hate it when guys do that but then I usually don't bother when that happens.

Yeah, because a smart man will make you want to hear back from him the next day, but give you nearly a week of waiting so you throw yourself through mental hell wondering if he'll call, if he's interested, etc...

It's called manipulation, I'm sure, as a woman, you've heard about it.

how long should i wait between dates? a few days, a week?

Have you gone on the first date yet? You plan the next date whenever it is convenient for the both of you.

quote:Originally posted by kman101:

how long should i wait between dates? a few days, a week?

In the real world, there is NO time limit on any of that shit.

This is what you do... You go on the first date, and you decided if you even like her. After that, you find a day that you're both free on and you DO IT AGAIN.

Seriously, it's NOT THAT HARD.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

In the real world, there is NO time limit on any of that shit.

This is what you do... You go on the first date, and you decided if you even like her. After that, you find a day that you're both free on and you DO IT AGAIN.

Seriously, it's NOT THAT HARD.



stupid TV, its ruined my perception of things like that

quote:Originally posted by azalie:

Confidence is good, it's when you expect her to say "yes" that it seems cocky.

expect her to say yes? whaa?

well i did everthing you said, azalie. except for that no move on the first date, i walked her 2 her house and we made out like hella.



[This message has been edited by some_guy_420 (edited 12-23-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

Yeah, because a smart man will make you want to hear back from him the next day, but give you nearly a week of waiting so you throw yourself through mental hell wondering if he'll call, if he's interested, etc...

It's called manipulation, I'm sure, as a woman, you've heard about it.

You're a fucking idiot Gus, you don't think a *lot* of girls see through cheap tricks like that? You're just quoting verbatim from one of those shitty "player" sites. Of course it may have that effect on some girls, but not that many.

quote:Originally posted by azalie:

Confidence is good, it's when you expect her to say "yes" that it seems cocky.

Why the hell would we bother calling you if you were just gonna blow us off?

Jca-, Gus is right about women being manipulative, but it's not like men aren't. A double sided blade, it be.

SO did you call her yet?

Besides, you might get the voicemail, so just leave sommat cute.

quote:Originally posted by jca-:

You're a fucking idiot Gus, you don't think a *lot* of girls see through cheap tricks like that? You're just quoting verbatim from one of those shitty "player" sites. Of course it may have that effect on some girls, but not that many.

Yeah, you'd think a lot of girls WOULD see through such cheap tricks, but then... Why does it work time and again?

Oh, maybe because it ISN'T a cheap trick when you actually don't have the time to just call her back the next day, eh?

You do understand what it trys to simulate, right? It trys to make it seem like you're a busy man, and aren't just some desperate loser. Of course, there is only so much lying can do for people like you, kid.

What's wrong with just phoning a girl up the next day and letting her know you enjoyed your time with her?

You don't have to make a date, but you could. I think it's a very polite thing to do.

Don't forget, there could also be other guys asking her out. She should always keep in mind that there are other girls you might take out as well since there is no "relationship" at this point.



[This message has been edited by oc6 (edited 12-23-2006).]

Not being funny but why not ask your dad about this kind of stuff?



And in a relationship getting off with someone is not a big deal, unless you believe it to be. Example?

Example: I went to a party everyone thought i was hot, i got off with every girl (6-7) and we knew it ment nothing, just a flare of lust, although when i told the girl who is trying to keep me under lock and key she got pissed off.... he he he



Also, A snog on the first date is a congratulations

Lets just hope your good so she isnt demotivated.

quote:Originally posted by Jack_and_Jill:

Not being funny but why not ask your dad about this kind of stuff?



And in a relationship getting off with someone is not a big deal, unless you believe it to be. Example?

Example: I went to a party everyone thought i was hot, i got off with every girl (6-7) and we knew it ment nothing, just a flare of lust, although when i told the girl who is trying to keep me under lock and key she got pissed off.... he he he



Also, A snog on the first date is a congratulations

Lets just hope your good so she isnt demotivated.

im...passable, if thats anything, and fuck no, not my dad, i dont wanna talk to him about this...hes married to my mom, lol!

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

Yeah, you'd think a lot of girls WOULD see through such cheap tricks, but then... Why does it work time and again?

Oh, maybe because it ISN'T a cheap trick when you actually don't have the time to just call her back the next day, eh?

You do understand what it trys to simulate, right? It trys to make it seem like you're a busy man, and aren't just some desperate loser. Of course, there is only so much lying can do for people like you, kid.

Yes, I'm quite aware of what it "trys" [sic, you fucking idiot] to do, it's fucking simple, are you aware that girls are aware that men are not always genuine with such things?

"Treat 'em mean to keep 'em keen" - age old and sums up all of that philosophy pretty well, but well known and also just not foolproof. You're an idiot if you think it is. Some girls will simply dislike you for your lack of enthusiasm. And that's simply it, they won't want you more for seeming unattainable etc. Simple.

Don't take advice of Gus, I remember that he lives on TOTSE, and that as soon as he got a girlfriend he was in S&A dishing out advice to everyone. So unless he has lost around half his body weight in the last year and had extensive plastic surgery all of his "advice" has been taken off some website.

You silly shit, it's going to be weirder if you don't do anything after asking for the number.

Get off your ass and call her nonchalantly. Start talking about random shit like you would with anyone else. Then suggest something.

quote:Originally posted by kman101:

im...passable, if thats anything, and fuck no, not my dad, i dont wanna talk to him about this...hes married to my mom, lol!

So what, he might have been a player back in his day. Talk to that nigga now.

quote:Originally posted by jca-:

Yes, I'm quite aware of what it "trys" [sic, you fucking idiot] to do, it's fucking simple, are you aware that girls are aware that men are not always genuine with such things?

Of course I'm aware that SOME women know what the fuck is happening then. Some women, of course, means a very small number. About the same number of men that don't fall for such idiotic ploys when a woman uses them.

You are aware, though, that it plays on human nature, right? That it will actually cause a girl to fall for you. Do you know why? Because you make it seem like you have a busy life. Being busy means you aren't some loser, not unlike yourself, that just sits at home all day picking his arse hole and masturbating over my posts.

Of course, this is all EXTREMELY BASIC physiology, so I wouldn't DARE assume you knew any of it. Go take a few classes on human behavior and sexuality. I think you need it more than you might understand.

Oh, and thank you for catching that typo. What would I ever do without servants like you?

quote:Originally posted by jca-:

"Treat 'em mean to keep 'em keen" - age old and sums up all of that philosophy pretty well, but well known and also just not foolproof. You're an idiot if you think it is. Some girls will simply dislike you for your lack of enthusiasm. And that's simply it, they won't want you more for seeming unattainable etc. Simple.

Being mean to a girl to keep her is a rather bad excuse for being unable to show confidence in yourself. It's why jerks go through women like nothing else: They attract them like flies to a shit pile, and bore them off just as fast. Only the weakest of women try and stay with a real jerk. If, though, you're confident in yourself, you wouldn't have this problem. So no, it's not at ALL like that useless saying. That's made for losers like you that can't get a date if their lives were on the line.

Yeah, SOME GIRLS, once again. See, your problem is that you're trying to argue that human nature isn't human nature. That women don't want important men that don't spend all day worrying about when to call. If you truly don't understand the basic fact that ANYONE wants what they aren't allowed to have, then I really don't know what else to tell you.

I mean, this truly is basic human behavioral understanding. Didn't you taken a sex-ed class in Middle school? Are you even OUT of middle school yet? What's your problem if you're trying to argue that SOME women will look past this shit. OF COURSE SOME WOMEN WILL. They are also the same women that usually go form guy to guy, and know all of the "tricks and games".

So, really now, you can KEEP those women. I don't want an STD, nor a money-wasting bitch. All yours, middle-school-mate.

~~~

quote:Originally posted by Oxy-Moron:

Don't take advice of Gus, I remember that he lives on TOTSE, and that as soon as he got a girlfriend he was in S&A dishing out advice to everyone. So unless he has lost around half his body weight in the last year and had extensive plastic surgery all of his "advice" has been taken off some website.

Actually, as soon as I had my frist girlfriend I wasn't even on totse for a few weeks. I was too busy fucking her.

Oh, and if you seem to think that just because I'm fat, and not very attractive keeps my advice from being useful and helpful, perhaps we should go and hit a club together.

I have a feeling I'll be balls-deep in a chick before you even use one of your pick up lines. Why? Because it's rather obvious how to pick up women, and get what you want.

It truly is about find women WORTH dating that is my issue. Most women waste too much time with bullshit that isn't important. But hey, that's the beauty of this "problem", it's a personal one. So cheers, mate.

[This message has been edited by Gus (edited 12-25-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

Of course I'm aware that SOME women know what the fuck is happening then. Some women, of course, means a very small number. About the same number of men that don't fall for such idiotic ploys when a woman uses them.

You are aware, though, that it plays on human nature, right? That it will actually cause a girl to fall for you. Do you know why? Because you make it seem like you have a busy life. Being busy means you aren't some loser, not unlike yourself, that just sits at home all day picking his arse hole and masturbating over my posts.

Of course, this is all EXTREMELY BASIC physiology, so I wouldn't DARE assume you knew any of it. Go take a few classes on human behavior and sexuality. I think you need it more than you might understand.

Oh, and thank you for catching that typo. What would I ever do without servants like you?

Being mean to a girl to keep her is a rather bad excuse for being unable to show confidence in yourself. It's why jerks go through women like nothing else: They attract them like flies to a shit pile, and bore them off just as fast. Only the weakest of women try and stay with a real jerk. If, though, you're confident in yourself, you wouldn't have this problem. So no, it's not at ALL like that useless saying. That's made for losers like you that can't get a date if their lives were on the line.

Yeah, SOME GIRLS, once again. See, your problem is that you're trying to argue that human nature isn't human nature. That women don't want important men that don't spend all day worrying about when to call. If you truly don't understand the basic fact that ANYONE wants what they aren't allowed to have, then I really don't know what else to tell you.

I mean, this truly is basic human behavioral understanding. Didn't you taken a sex-ed class in Middle school? Are you even OUT of middle school yet? What's your problem if you're trying to argue that SOME women will look past this shit. OF COURSE SOME WOMEN WILL. They are also the same women that usually go form guy to guy, and know all of the "tricks and games".

So, really now, you can KEEP those women. I don't want an STD, nor a money-wasting bitch. All yours, middle-school-mate.



If you are indeed aware that your sweeping generalisations aren’t exactly accurate, then say it before you make them – you seem to have more than enough time on your hands for posting on totse, so why not take that extra few seconds to make sure you don’t come across quite so silly?

Although, given the general knowledge present in your posts, you’d still seem quite the idiot: “physiology” has nothing to do with what you’re talking about, or anything else in this thread in fact. Trying to use big words only makes you seem more intelligent if you actually use them in context, because if you don’t – like in this example – it really has quite the opposite effect.

And like I said before, though you seemed to fail to really pick up on it, I’m very much aware of the theory behind the tips you’re giving out. But this isn’t quite as theoretically sound as you seem to think it is or any website you’re reading may have you to believe (especially if your excuse for being such a busy man is totse).

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

Being busy means you aren't some loser, not unlike yourself, that just sits at home all day picking his arse hole and masturbating over my posts.

[...]

That's made for losers like you that can't get a date if their lives were on the line.

Given these insults it's a little ironic that by the time I'm here you'll have most likely managed to read countless threads and post numerous responses all over totse - given your posting form, you'll probably have managed the best part of 100 posts by the time I'm next on.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

Oh, and if you seem to think that just because I'm fat, and not very attractive keeps my advice from being useful and helpful, perhaps we should go and hit a club together.

I have a feeling I'll be balls-deep in a chick before you even use one of your pick up lines. Why? Because it's rather obvious how to pick up women, and get what you want.

It truly is about find women WORTH dating that is my issue. Most women waste too much time with bullshit that isn't important. But hey, that's the beauty of this "problem", it's a personal one. So cheers, mate.



I seriously doubt you know what a club, or indeed "outside" looks like. You spend so much time on here that you have double my post count on a six month old account, and I've been using this for two years.

Don't act like a player, I know quite well that "find girls WORTH dating" is code for "ask out every girl in the club until one says yes". I'm not suprised you have trouble finding good ones if you start the manipulating shit as soon as one bites, the only women stupid enough to fall for that would sleep with anyone anyway.

Oh man, look what I've gone and done... Flame wars for the lose. I need to learn how to just stop before I even start them with these kids...

Ok, you two win whatever you feel like winning. Just stop perverting this thread and go make a topic in B&M for this, ok?

Now, back on topic in three, two, one...

You two guys are using really shitty, troll-like arguments to refute Gus' claims. The bringing up of someone having no life because of their post count on Totse is a just a tired old trick most often used when someone neither has hard facts nor veterancy or popularity on their side when they are arguing against something.

Gus is talking about simple human nature, only in a somewhat grandiose way, which I don't respect nor appreciate. I don't doubt the truth of his claims, although I did shake my head when he used "physiology" in such an incorrect manner.

quote:Originally posted by Byss:

You two guys are using really shitty, troll-like arguments to refute Gus' claims. The bringing up of someone having no life because of their post count on Totse is a just a tired old trick most often used when someone neither has hard facts nor veterancy or popularity on their side when they are arguing against something.

Gus is talking about simple human nature, only in a somewhat grandiose way, which I don't respect nor appreciate. I don't doubt the truth of his claims, although I did shake my head when he used "physiology" in such an incorrect manner.

I appreciate much of my argument may seem troll-like and trivial to you and perhaps it is, although there is reason to it - i.e. Gus obviously fancies himself as quite the intellectual, so proving him to be the stupid cunt he is may seem a little easy and a cheap shot, but it's worth it. As for the mentioning of his post count, it wasn't unprovoked - if Gus wants to throw 'loser' jibes around then it's an easy response.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

Ok, you two win whatever you feel like winning.

Thanks.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

[...] go make a topic in B&M for this [...]

In a minute.

jca-, hurry up and make that thread in B&M. Or you can just post in MY current thread in there. I'm sure you'll have a LOT to add to the topic.

quote:Originally posted by some_guy_420:

expect her to say yes? whaa?

well i did everthing you said, azalie. except for that no move on the first date, i walked her 2 her house and we made out like hella.







You can't expect her to say "yes", but you need to know not to loose your cool if she says she's busy, that's all I meant.

Well, I haven't bothered reading the other posts but I'm pretty sure they're arguing about the advice on this topic. In anycase I get the credit for this which rules out anything anyone else says. I AM a girl afterall.

BTW, no making moves is a misconception. As long as you don't expect her to get in bed or give head then it's all good.

quote:Originally posted by azalie:

I AM a girl afterall.

YET to be proven.

Without "&t" on your tits, we'll never know.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

jca-, hurry up and make that thread in B&M. Or you can just post in MY current thread in there. I'm sure you'll have a LOT to add to the topic.

Yeah I saw that, I guess the new thread makes you a touch more totse-famous/infamous than you already are.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

YET to be proven.

Without "&t" on your tits, we'll never know.

Well, my e-body is male anyway so posting that would disrupt the balance. Ajare has proof.