I STRESS THIS IS ALL TOTALLY HYPOTHETICAL

As most totsians are computer literate I assume that like me a lot of you get called on by family and so-called 'friends' to fix their boxes when they, once again, have been surfing with IE and no condom?



In my case its also friends of my kids who call on me to fix their poorly 'puters (am I the only Dad in the manor who knows one end of a hard drive from the other?).

Sooo lets assume a 14 year old girl has asked me to 'fix' her computer -seems like a software problem (ie windows!). So having learnt the hard way I don't waste time trying to fix it but simply go for a format/reinstall.

Of course I save off all her stuff first. and when I have it all on cd i then also check that it is really all there...as you do.

I find a folder containing naked action shots of said 14 year old girl. Probably consensual and sent to someone on msn but never-the-less 'finger in cunny' kiddy porn.

English law is very clear. While the age of consent for sex is 16, the age of consent for naked pics is 18 (so you can get married at 16 but your husband can't take bedroom pics til you're 18...go figure.)

The law says i must either/or delete the pics asap or call the peelers.

So what should I do...hypothetically speaking of course?

I have thought of various options (calling the police not being one of them!)

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>

<LI>I simply delete everything and tell her some bullshit about a virus eating all her pics.

<LI>I save everything and hand it to her without comment.

<LI>I save everything and hand it to her with a nasty comment about 'hiding her pics better' and hope embarassment will make sure she learns her lesson.

<LI>I phone her dad (who is real old school and will beat her with his fist/belt.) This however is the option i am veering towards.

<LI>I post the pics anonymously on totse (you wish -not this side of Armageddon!)

</UL>



[This message has been edited by jackketch (edited 12-18-2006).]

Post the pics!

I mean...

Whatever.

E: fap to them. Then replace them with shots of yourself naked

Why do you care if she sends pictures of her cunt around, unlawful or not. Deleting them does nothing seeing she'll just get new ones

She's 14. It's kind of skanky, but she's old enough to make her own mistakes when it comes to that sort of thing.

Unless you have a vested interest in the girl personally, like she's your niece or something, the cress thing to do would be to just hand it back and dont say anything.

Of course, it might be a little different if she's sending them to older guys online. (If she wants to show off to a few classmates, I think thats her perogative.)

And also, do brits really call it 'cunny'?

quote:Originally posted by Pilsu:

E: fap to them. Then replace them with shots of yourself naked

Why do you care if she sends pictures of her cunt around, unlawful or not. Deleting them does nothing seeing she'll just get new ones

Because I really don't want to be woken at 6am by the peelers, and have all my computers confisicated?

Get rid of them or forget about them. Just don't worry about any of it, and if it eventually comes out, you never saw any pictures. If you tell the girl you know, well, hope she keeps her mouth shut. Tell the dad, she gets beat.

Just pretend you never saw it, and nothing will happen.

You won't get in trouble for it. I mean, I don't see how... and if you do, just say you didn't see them or something.

And, of course, you should post the pics of the naked 18-year-old you found!

Pretend you didnt see them, it's the easiest thing to do... the other options (barr posting them here) aren't really beneficial to anyone. There's little to no chance of cops arriving at your door, asking about these.

Worst case scenario, the computer is returned and her father finds the pictures. You can deny all knowledge of them.

I think you should tell the father just for lulz.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

Because I really don't want to be woken at 6am by the peelers, and have all my computers confisicated?



First off, let me point out that UK is a shithole of state, if you can get in trouble by simply knowing another person has done something illegal.

if the police ask you anything, you were just helping her fix her computer/backing up her files, and you DIDN'T go poking around in her stuff, and hence you don't even know the hypothetical pictures are there.

Also, chances are the police wont even find out, unless you tell them personally. Maybe i am assuming too much. does the british government do random sweeps of people's computers for illegal dealings?

my advice: leave it the fuck alone. she's a filthy little whore. telling her dad is only going to make her a physically abused filthy little whore. its really not any of your business.

What pictures? There were pictures on her computer? How the hell should you have known that????

It's "not your business", not to mention the fact you did not know about "it" (whatever that may be).

ie, don't tell her fuckin' dad!

I say black mail her with them.

quote:Originally posted by Mellow_Fellow:

ie, fax them to her fuckin' dad!

Fixed

Yeah they'd have to prove that you saw the pictures to get you for anything, backing up her files doesn't mean you poked through them

Can also consider deleting this thread to erase any proof if you're that paranoid



And post the pictures under an alias.

Either post them on here, or confront the girl and make sure she doesn't do anything stupid.

Yer, 'cept he'd then have to undergo the "zomg, who's this hot sexy biatch I have received nwd pix of....

OH GOD

OH GOD NO!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!"

Would you really do that to a man, Jack?

I save everything and hand it to her without comment. Just cause you back-up'd 'm doesn't mean you've viewed 'm right. Maybe, seen how the uk is.. one would suggest it might be wiser nobody knew you saw 'm. Plausible denail and such

I'm curious to know how many of the pictures you looked at, or if it was just thumbnail stuff..

Yeah... and were there videos?

quote:Originally posted by Flock:

I'm curious to know how many of the pictures you looked at, or if it was just thumbnail stuff..

Some questions are better left unanswered.

This being one of them

quote:Originally posted by Mellow_Fellow:

Yer, 'cept he'd then have to undergo the "zomg, who's this hot sexy biatch I have received nwd pix of....

OH GOD

OH GOD NO!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!"

Would you really do that to a man, Jack?

i lold furiously

She didn't give you her computer so you could snoop around on it, you asshat. Copy her data, format it, and then make sure you never mention it again.

If anyone asks, you never saw the pictures. It's not your problem, so stop being like my president and getting your fucking fingers into ever fucking cookie jar you can find.

Hell, though, if you don't want to help anyone anymore, then go tell her dad, and watch no one trust you to ask them for help every again. What a great person that'll make you, eh Mister? :\

quote:Originally posted by PirateJoe:

First off, let me point out that UK is a shithole of state, if you can get in trouble by simply knowing another person has done something illegal.

It's not quite that, it's the issue that he's now in possession of said child porn. A shithole of a state is one where police entrapment is both legal, and practiced in my opinion, you're wrong about how UK law works. That said, I'm still not too fond of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland myself.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

She didn't give you her computer so you could snoop around on it, you asshat. Copy her data, format it, and then make sure you never mention it again.

If anyone asks, you never saw the pictures. It's not your problem, so stop being like my president and getting your fucking fingers into ever fucking cookie jar you can find.

Hell, though, if you don't want to help anyone anymore, then go tell her dad, and watch no one trust you to ask them for help every again. What a great person that'll make you, eh Mister? :\

Agreed. Save everything and hand it to her without comment. You never saw them, simple as that. If you call the police or tell her dad then you're a truly terrible human being. You want to live with that? Didn't think so. Also if you phone the father then there's a possibility he could get you in trouble for having/looking at nude pictures of his underage daughter. The only option that is win-win here is simply handing them back and forgetting all about it.



[This message has been edited by Shadowhunter_36 (edited 12-18-2006).]

On one side of the scale is the sum of harmful consequences that could potentially arise if you pretend you never saw the pics.

On the other side of the scale is the sum of harmful consequencecs that could potentially arise if you take some form of action over the pics.

From where I'm standing, the choice is obvious. YMMV.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

She didn't give you her computer so you could snoop around on it, you asshat. Copy her data, format it, and then make sure you never mention it again.

If anyone asks, you never saw the pictures. It's not your problem, so stop being like my president and getting your fucking fingers into ever fucking cookie jar you can find.

Hell, though, if you don't want to help anyone anymore, then go tell her dad, and watch no one trust you to ask them for help every again. What a great person that'll make you, eh Mister? :\

QFT.

quote:Originally posted by Shadowhunter_36:

Also if you phone the father then there's a possibility he could get you in trouble for having/looking at nude pictures of his underage daughter.

To save family face, he could VERY well do such a thing, and get YOU in trouble for it. Glad someone else aside from me is paying attention to life.

Tell her daddy.

Why would you tell her dad? It really isn't any of your business.

I'd go with the "guess the virus ate everything" option.

quote:

And also, do brits really call it 'cunny'?[/B]

i don't

i like variety

quote:Originally posted by reject:

Post the pics!



You know you want to.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

<LI>I save everything and hand it to her without comment.





You saw nothing, prehapse?

And seriously, don't tell her dad, she's proberly got enough without you telling him things that will make him beat her. Either way, if he does he should be skinned.

Stupid, ass-hatted, morally stuck-up, fuck-blind parents.

[This message has been edited by Strakynyar Krongoth (edited 12-18-2006).]

Don't tell her father.

14 is WAAAAAYYYY too old for her to be beaten with a fist/belt...In fact a parent should never hit their child like that no matter what.

DO NOT TELL THE POLICE



She could be arrested for producing child pornography. this is no joke. its happened in both the U.K. and the U.S. to minors who took nude pics of themselves.

dont ruin her life and make her a registered sex offender.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

dont ruin her life and make her a registered sex offender.

But Jack is an angry old man that just looooove to fuck up people's lives... It's his DUTY!!

Peoples, remember please that this is all purely hypothetical.

When everyone has voiced their opinion I want to change the scenario a bit.



But yes, for those interested the examples do come from real life...with some changes of course.

EVIL OLD MAN WITH NO SOUL!!

*Sends his army of stuffed pandas after Jack*

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

But Jack is an angry old man that just looooove to fuck up people's lives... It's his DUTY!!



NO I am rare and special flower, a soft cuddly fluffy bunny...a santa claus figure.

All children love me and I am their very special friend

There shall be chocolate pudding for tea

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

EVIL OLD MAN WITH NO SOUL!!

*Sends his army of stuffed pandas after Jack*



Now you're sounding like Digi :P (except the pandas bit. She is old school and still has winged monkeys)

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:



Now you're sounding like Digi :P (except the pandas bit. She is old school and still has winged monkeys)

Yeah, I know... I sort of miss her flare after she completely bitched off at me on the phone...

Well, though, I'll just get oc6 over here to help me sew tails and wings on them pandas... She'll totally help me do that... I hope...

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

Yeah, I know... I sort of miss her flare after she completely bitched off at me on the phone...

Well, though, I'll just get oc6 over here to help me sew tails and wings on them pandas... She'll totally help me do that... I hope...



*shakes fist* Play with any sort of tails with my girl and you'll encounter the wrath of the Ketch(ie you will be strapped to a comfy cushion and forced to read the Harry Potter.pdf without respite on a windows ME computer , missing the crt+alt+del keys!)

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:



*shakes fist* Play with any sort of tails with my girl and you'll encounter the wrath of the Ketch(ie you will be strapped to a comfy cushion and forced to read the Harry Potter.pdf without respite on a windows ME computer , missing the crt+alt+del keys!)

Haha, good thing I know three other ways on how to open that taskmanager, as well as a basic understanding of the plotlines of Harry Potter...

I'll accept that challange, SIR!

Bear in mind that you were in breach of the computer misuse act in accessing those files. You had her permission to fix the comp, not access files. The best thing to do is pretend you never noticed them.

Just hand it to her, make a nice mean comment, and leave it at that.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

plotlines of Harry Potter...



Dichotomy anyone?

I see no reason to do anything about it. Going to the police with it will get her into a world of shit that she really doesnt deserve to be in. Going to her father will do just about the same thing. Giving it back with a note about how she should hide her porn better will open you up to a world of shit if she gets freaked out and calls the cops to say you looked at it.

Just pretend it never happened. She's old enough to experiment, and in the long run something like this will probably end up being harmless.

Don't tell her Dad.

Pretend you didn't see them or delete them.

Her Dad will probably go ape shit and she will spread pedo rumours if you even suggest that you might have seen them. It could end up very nasty.

Say nothing.

Copy them for yourself.

The the dad to sort out his daughter.

Don't hand this over to the cops though. Thats just gay. If you want to sort this out without anyone actually getting in legal trouble telling the dad is the best bet.

That way when the "peelers" come, you can say you told the father and the ball was in his side of the court to disipline the daughter correctly.

Honestly the best option.



[This message has been edited by HTS-Noob (edited 12-18-2006).]

As much as I'd want to tell her dad, I wouldn't. He may try to pin this on you somehow. For example, he may ask why you are looking at pictures of his daughter. Yes I know you are formating the computer, but he will probably be to pissed off to the think logically, god knows I would be

[This message has been edited by moss2455 (edited 12-19-2006).]

just continue as normal, dont report her to her dad or anything

Forget about them. Leave them where they are; if you tell her father, he might dislike you/think you saved them/she'll get into a lot of trouble. If you leave her a comment/tell her, she'll know you looked and think you're a pedo. If you delete them, she'll know of course that they're missing, etc. I'd just leave them alone.

quote:Originally posted by 73cv:

Forget about them. Leave them where they are; if you tell her father, he might dislike you/think you saved them/she'll get into a lot of trouble. If you leave her a comment/tell her, she'll know you looked and think you're a pedo.

why would she think that? she took the pics in the first place.

to go with the flow, just leave the situation as it is. its her choice if she wants to post naked pics of herself to people. if you do tell her father or tell the police, things can go tits up and you could find yourself in serious trouble. my opinion is to leave as is, kids do it all the time now, its the fashion :/.

Go to the cops, it will backfire on yourself.

Why were you looking through her pictures to begin with, and how do you know she sent them to anyone?

I'd be light-handed on this one if I were you. She's just a kid and doesn't know any better. This being the case, this is precisely why kiddy porn is [and should always be] illegal - they simply don't know what they're doing and, thus, it takes an 'adult' to influence and take advantage of their innocence, which is obviously where we get the paedophile. Also, in the wrong hands, those pictures could end up on any number of sites.

I would, personally, treat this situation with care and caution. She, as any young adult, would be mortified if you were to confront her about this. It wouldn't do any good. My advice would be to delete those pictures, hand the drive back and say no more; she'll get the message. Hypothetically

quote:Originally posted by crimsonsmoke:

I'd be light-handed on this one if I were you. She's just a kid and doesn't know any better. This being the case, this is precisely why kiddy porn is [and should always be] illegal - they simply don't know what they're doing and, thus, it takes an 'adult' to influence and take advantage of their innocence, which is obviously where we get the paedophile. Also, in the wrong hands, those pictures could end up on any number of sites.

I would, personally, treat this situation with care and caution. She, as any young adult, would be mortified if you were to confront her about this. It wouldn't do any good. My advice would be to delete those pictures, hand the drive back and say no more; she'll get the message. Hypothetically

shut the fuck up. let people do what they want. im 16 and i think i should be able do i take nude pics of my body if i want.arresting us for it is ridiculous.

you people dont even know what a pedophilie is. pedophiles like pre-pubescents, meaning 5 yr old kids.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:



and getting your fucking fingers into ever fucking cookie jar you can find.



speaking of fuck fingers.

Don't do shit just give it back it's fucking unproffesional to look through peoples pics.

quote:Originally posted by Pooter:

speaking of fuck fingers.

Someone got it, eh? Well, I was going to say "honey pot" instead of "cookie jar" buttttt.

Since he already has the shit...

POST THE FUCKING PICS OR SOMETHING.

And then hand the disc to her w/o comment after making a copy for yourself.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

shut the fuck up. let people do what they want. im 16 and i think i should be able do i take nude pics of my body if i want.arresting us for it is ridiculous.

you people dont even know what a pedophilie is. pedophiles like pre-pubescents, meaning 5 yr old kids.

First: I was just posting my thoughts.

Besides, you can't just let people do what they want you ignorant fool.

Second: I'm not saying this is going to happen, but if those pictures got into the wrong hands [i.e. one of her stupid msn boy friends who wanted to humiliate her in front of her whole school], she'd be fucked [not literally].

Third: When I was talking about paedophiles, I was talking generally - hence the use of the word 'they', rather than making a direct reference to 'her'.

Fourth: Where did I say anything about people being arrested?

Fifth: Why the fuck am I bothering to reply to you? [Don't answer that, it was a rhetorical question... duh]



[This message has been edited by crimsonsmoke (edited 12-19-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by moss2455:

As much as I'd want to tell her dad, I wouldn't. He may try to pin this on you somehow.



Moss raises a good point.

There is a potentially enormous risk in bringing attention to the pics - god knows WHAT the girl in question might say to get out of trouble. And if there's one thing I've learned to fear like the bubonic plague, it's how devious and cunning the female mind is when trapped in a corner and sex is involved.

You wouldn't be achieving anything positive by bringing attention to the pics, and potentially causing yourself a lot of trouble.

I wasnt saying you were calling her a pedophile i was saying you were calling anyone attracted to her a pedophile.

when i was talking about being arrested i was saying that cause you said "oh kiddy porn should totally be illegal" and those "kids" get arrested in real life for their own nude pictures.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

I wasnt saying you were calling her a pedophile i was saying you were calling anyone attracted to her a pedophile.

Yeah. I got that bit

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

when i was talking about being arrested i was saying that cause you said "oh kiddy porn should totally be illegal" and those "kids" get arrested in real life for their own nude pictures.

When the hell has that ever fucking happened? I want proof.

Oh, and sorry to bitch, but would it kill you to use a little punctuation?

The Non-Brits here are perhaps unaware that 'what is paedophilia?' is a subject very much in debate here in the UK at the moment (or was about a week ago).

A senior policeman expressed the view that describing men who have or seek carnal knowledge of post pubesceant teenagers as paedophiles is wrong and that label 'paedophilia' should only apply when the girl is pre-pubescant.

And yes, he has probably given his career the Kiss Of Death...at least he was pilloried in the popular press.





[This message has been edited by jackketch (edited 12-19-2006).]

I say just leave it alone (but don't forget to post it on totse)

heres proof of teens getting arrested for child porn:

http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/watercooler/article.aspx?storyid=60478

and

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/internetlife/2004-03-29-child-self-porn_x.htm





[This message has been edited by Dissed (edited 12-19-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

A senior policeman expressed the view that describing men who have or seek carnal knowledge of post pubesceant teenagers as paedophiles is wrong and that label 'paedophilia' should only apply when the girl is pre-pubescant.

[/B]

i agree 100% with him

[This message has been edited by Dissed (edited 12-19-2006).]

uh huh. but i wouldnt give her dad ammuniton for beating her. since its such a volitile issue everywhere, and teenagers can and do take things the wrong way, it would be best to leave it. if i was found to have naked pics of myself on my computer, i would be pissed that someone had wondered through my files (even though i wouldnt blame them cause id probably do the same) but i would be more pissed if the person told my parents. teenage girls are so quick to anger and irrational. some also tend to lie if it will save their own skin. so it would be best to tread lightly imo.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

The Non-Brits here are perhaps unaware that 'what is paedophilia?' is a subject very much in debate here in the UK at the moment (or was about a week ago).

A senior policeman expressed the view that describing men who have or seek carnal knowledge of post pubesceant teenagers as paedophiles is awrong and that label 'paedophilia' should only apply when the girl is pre-pubescant.

And yes, he has probably given his career the Kiss Of Death...at leats he was pilloried in the popular press.

On a side note - I believe that whether you are to be considered a paedophile for looking at post pubescent.. err.. people or not, the fact still remains that anyone under 16 doesn't know any better. Yeah, that's a sweeping generalisation, but allowing some 40-something man have sex with a 13-year-old girl is just plain wrong for a number of reasons I think are fairly obvious.

It might not be technically paedophilia [which means too love a child, a very inaccurate literal definition, I think you'll all agree], but it's still taking advantage, if only to a lesser degree.

anyone under 16 doesnt know better? what makes that the magic age? so the day before my 16th birthday I didnt know any better? bullshit.

[This message has been edited by Dissed (edited 12-19-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

heres proof of teens getting arrested for child porn: http:/ /www.wfmynews2.com/news/watercooler/article.aspx?storyid=60478 (http: //www.wfmy news2.com/ news/water cooler/art icle.aspx? storyid=60 478)

and

h ttp://www. usatoday.c om/tech/we bguide/int ernetlife/ 2004-03-29 -child-sel f-porn_x.htm (http: //www.usat oday.com/t ech/webgui de/interne tlife/2004 -03-29-chi ld-self-po rn_x.htm)

(edit out the spaces^ i dunno why it does that.)



I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a second. Heck, even if they were arrested, there's no way a jury would pass that accusation.

they may not know better but kids start young these days in the uk. most 14y/o girls are not virgins anymore (generalising i know). all these scene kids are just fucking to be fashionable and fit in. its just not right.

quote:Originally posted by crimsonsmoke:

I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a second. Heck, even if they were arrested, there's no way a jury would pass that accusation.

YOU DUMBASS, THIS SHIT HAPPENS, I CANT BELIEVE YOU DENY THIS.

this is true!!

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

anyone under 16 doesnt know better? what makes that the magic age? so the day before my 16th birthday I didnt know any better? bullshit.



There has to be a cut off point somewhere, seeing as you can't judge every case individually - plus, it was a 'sweeping generalisation'. You're 15 - you're still a kid.

why are you a "kid" at 15? tell me the scientific findings that determine you a kid at that age. we shouldn't be basing these laws on some retarded socitey-based opinion.

Its none of your buisness. 'You didnt see them... '

its is like opening someone elses mail or something.

sorry to thread-jack for a second here but whats everyone from the uk in this thread doing up at ten to one? i really should go to bed also.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

YOU DUMBASS, THIS SHIT HAPPENS, I CANT BELIEVE YOU DENY THIS.

this is true!!

No, it doesn't just happen. If you search hard enough, I'm sure you could pull any number of cases where people have been arrested for stupid shit out of your ass. Also, I'm definitly inclined to believe that more people are arrested and charged for possession of child pornography then the children for participating in said pornography.

the fact it happens less often doesnt jusitfy it though, it shouldnt happen PERIOD.

quote:Originally posted by Burningbridges:

sorry to thread-jack for a second here but whats everyone from the uk in this thread doing up at ten to one? i really should go to bed also.

Just thinking the same, mate. Well, actually I'm watching The Hills Have Eyes; it's shit.

quote:Originally posted by crimsonsmoke:

Just thinking the same, mate. Well, actually I'm watching The Hills Have Eyes; it's shit.

never heard of it. ive just finished watching dude wheres my car. fucking class.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

why are you a "kid" at 15? tell me the scientific findings that determine you a kid at that age. we shouldn't be basing these laws on some retarded socitey-based opinion.

Just look at the way you are responding now. I wouldn't even call you a "kid", I would call you a "child". You are a child, you don't know anything of the real world, and even if you did you still lack experience and the wisdom to control things around you.

Which is why dumb cunts like yourself buy into bullshit like "anal bleaching", or "vaginal bleaching". Could you pleaes just shut the fuck up?

You're an idiot, and only further proving the point why you are considered a child. Shit, grown men manipulate bitches like you for breakfast.

quote:Originally posted by Burningbridges:

sorry to thread-jack for a second here but whats everyone from the uk in this thread doing up at ten to one? i really should go to bed also.



*is asking himself the same question*

goddammit, why am i that sad/addicted to totse that i have 4 tabs open of totse whilst in bed with my eyes half closed. (if it didnt make sense, im in bed cause of wireless connection and laptop)

*yawn*

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

why are you a "kid" at 15? tell me the scientific findings that determine you a kid at that age. we shouldn't be basing these laws on some retarded socitey-based opinion.

Now you're just not listening. If a 15-year-old kid was allowed to have sex, why not allow a 13-year-old kid? The lower it goes, the more problems we have with under-age sex; younger ages for prostitution; and more and more images of children forced to do things they're not ready to do being fed onto the net.

You may feel like an adult at 15, but I know that I would have regretted it if I hadn't waited until I felt comfortable with my body before actually sharing it with someone else.

I'm guessing you're a Yank, right? Well, over here in the UK we have quite a problem with under-age mothers and, like previously mentioned, under-age sex. 16 is an age when the general consensus feels that kids are sexually responsible for their actions.

heres how to solve teen pregnancy: SAFE SEX AND ABORTION.

and I think the age of consent should be abolished and sex should be legal if you have gone thorugh puberty.

^yup, and even at 16, some people still have no sense, most do though. i blame blair :P seriously though, no matter how illegal it is, or how much reprocussions it may cause, kids are still having underage sex. the best we can do about it is, as we are doing now, making sure kids have adiqute protection.

(sorry for spelling errors, im shattered)

Edit:that yup was to crimson smokes post

[This message has been edited by Burningbridges (edited 12-19-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Just look at the way you are responding now. I wouldn't even call you a "kid", I would call you a "child". You are a child, you don't know anything of the real world, and even if you did you still lack experience and the wisdom to control things around you.

Which is why dumb cunts like yourself buy into bullshit like "anal bleaching", or "vaginal bleaching". Could you pleaes just shut the fuck up?

You're an idiot, and only further proving the point why you are considered a child. Shit, grown men manipulate bitches like you for breakfast.

what makes a 17 yr old and less a child than a 16 yr old? youre not a child, youre an adult, physically and biologically, deal with it.

manipulate me for what? you think im naive enough to pursue monogamy or love?

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

heres how to solve teen pregnancy: SAFE SEX AND ABORTION.

How about we force-medicate all women with birth control that they can't remove until we decided that they can be allowed to have kids?

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

and I think the age of consent should be abolished and sex should be legal if you have gone thorugh puberty.

So you want to remove the age limit and replace it with a physical limit? That's good in practice, except people don't finish puberty until their early twenties.

^Im aware of that, thats why it should be after you start puberty.

quote:Originally posted by PirateJoe:

she's a filthy little whore. telling her dad is only going to make her a physically abused filthy little whore.

Or a stripper.

I'd just pretend that nothing ever happened. In that kind of situation ignorance would be the best option. That's not the kinda thing you tell the 'rents about. And if you'd tell the kid then it'll probably start some rumour that you're the pedo who took the pics or some stupid shit like that, it'd get blown way outta hand (no, masturbation pun not intended).

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

^Im aware of that, thats why it should be after you start puberty.

so what happens when, all the little boys and girls who have been taught that breaking the law is wrong, have no reason to be afraid of having sex?

(please tell me if this doesnt make sense)

uh i just said i would abolish age of consent laws are you blind

[This message has been edited by Dissed (edited 12-19-2006).]

i meant that, if there were no laws against having sex under age, it would lead to more kids thinking its alright to have sex asap.

yeah as long as there is protection and we educate them what is wrong with that.

I trust you'll do the right thing, Jack.

look, i would list the reasons why this would be impractical but, as its 1:30am, id rather go to sleep

peace out.

quote:Originally posted by crimsonsmoke:

I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a second. Heck, even if they were arrested, there's no way a jury would pass that accusation.



Step back for a second, stop taking yourself so seriously, and remember that condescending to others can backfire horrendously when you don't know what you're talking about.

quote:Girl, 13, charged as sex offender and victim

By Pamela Manson

The Salt Lake Tribune

Article Last Updated: 12/06/2006 01:12:35 AM MST

Salt Lake City - Utah Supreme Court justices acknowledged Tuesday that they were struggling to wrap their minds around the concept that a 13-year-old girl could be both an offender and a victim for the same act - in this case, having consensual sex with her 12-year-old boyfriend.

The Ogden, Utah, girl was put in this odd position because she was found guilty of violating a state law that prohibits sex with someone under age 14. She also was the victim in the case against her boyfriend, who was found guilty of the same violation by engaging in sexual activity with her.

"The only thing that comes close to this is dueling," said Associate Chief Justice Michael Wilkins, noting that two people who take 20 paces and then shoot could each be considered both victim and offender.

And Chief Justice Christine Durham wondered if the state Legislature had intended the "peculiar consequence" that a child would have the simultaneous status of a protected person and an alleged perpetrator under the law.

The comments came in oral arguments on a motion asking the high court to overturn the finding of delinquency - the legal term in juvenile court for a conviction - against Z.C., who became pregnant after she and her boyfriend engaged in sex in October 2003.

State authorities filed delinquency petitions in July 2004, alleging that each had committed sexual abuse of a child, a second-degree felony if committed by an adult.



That's happening RIGHT NOW. In a SUPREME COURT. I should STOP CAPITALISING THINGS SO MUCH.

Neither the legal framework of our societies, not the authorities that enforce it's scriptures, obey common sense as their master.

You can be quite sure that youths have been prosecuted for possession of pedophile images, I'm nearly positive I've read of such cases in the past, just can't be bothered tracking one down right now.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

what makes a 17 yr old and less a child than a 16 yr old? youre not a child, youre an adult, physically and biologically, deal with it.

manipulate me for what? you think im naive enough to pursue monogamy or love?

Just read through what you are fucking typing now. You sound like an uneducated tramp. There are rules for a reason, and the law was devised by people more intelligent and with a broader sense of right and wrong than you.

So you are naive to puruse monogamy? What the fuck? You don't happen to live in a trailer park do you?

a similar story:

Teen, both a perpetrator and victim of sex offense, presents legal puzzle

By Pamela Manson

The Salt Lake Tribune



Utah Supreme Court justices acknowledged Tuesday that they were struggling to wrap their minds around the concept that a 13-year-old Ogden girl could be both an offender and a victim for the same act - in this case, having consensual sex with her 12-year-old boyfriend.

The girl was put in this odd position because she was found guilty of violating a state law that prohibits sex with someone under age 14. She also was the victim in the case against her boyfriend, who was found guilty of the same violation by engaging in sexual activity with her.

"The only thing that comes close to this is dueling," said Justice Michael Wilkins, noting that two people who take 20 paces and then shoot could each be considered both victim and offender.

And Chief Justice Christine Durham wondered if the state Legislature had intended the "peculiar consequence" that a child would have the simultaneous status of a protected person and an alleged perpetrator under the law.

The comments came in oral arguments on a motion asking the high court to overturn the finding of delinquency - the legal term in juvenile court for a conviction - against Z.C., who became pregnant after she and her boyfriend engaged in sex in October 2003.

State authorities filed delinquency petitions in July 2004, alleging that each had committed sexual abuse of a child, a second-degree felony if committed by an adult.

The girl appealed the petition, saying her constitutional right to be treated equally under the law had been violated.

Her motion noted that for juveniles who are 16 and 17, having sex with others in their own age group does not qualify as a crime. Juveniles who are 14 or 15 and have sex with peers can be charged with unlawful conduct with a minor, but the law provides for mitigation when the age difference is less than four years, making the offense a misdemeanor.

For adolescents under 14, though, there are no exceptions or mitigation and they are never considered capable of consenting to sex.

A juvenile court judge denied the motion by Z.C., who then admitted to the offense while preserving her right to appeal to a higher court.

The Utah Court of Appeals last December upheld the judge's refusal to dismiss the allegation.

At Tuesday's arguments, Matthew Bates, an assistant Utah attorney general, argued the prosecution of the girl was not unreasonable. He said the statute in question is designed to prevent sex with children who are 13 and younger, even if the other person is in the same age group.

By passing that law, legislators were sending a message, Bates said: Sex with or among children is unacceptable.

Randall Richards, the girl's attorney, argued that prosecuting children under a law meant to protect them is illogical.

http: //www.sltr ib.com/sea rch/ci_478 7105

[This message has been edited by Dissed (edited 12-19-2006).]

Laws are there because people are inclined to break them. What if we were to impose an 18 age limit. 16-year-olds would think they're doing something wrong, yet fun because of this. Perhaps we should be considering the psychological side of these ages limits.



To say that there should be no age limit is just simply ridiculous. No matter how mature you think you are, there's always going to an idiot who just doesn't take precaution. You see, this isn't about if you're an adult or not at 15. It's more about whether you can cope with a child at 15; or whether you mind people looking at sexually explicit images of children online; etc... In short, it's about all the negative aspects of sex and how they're more harmful to kids.

like i said we can fix teen pregnancy, jeez^

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

like i said we can fix teen pregnancy, jeez^

It doesn't work. You really believe that all kids willing to have sex at 13 are going to remember to take those pills or wear a condom every time. Sure, it would be just lovely if you were aloud to have sex when you thought you were ready - but in practice it just wouldn't work. I'm not going to explain why - I think the answers are obvious.

And on the victim/offender thing - that shit is absolutely ridiculous. How the fuck can you charge someone for possessing nude pictures of themselves when under-age. What next? You're no longer aloud to look in the fucking mirror until you're 16+? To be honest, this is more of a comment of the people doing the prosecuting, rather than the victim/offender. Also, this is not a serious issue... at all. I'm more concerned about those images getting into the wrong hands, as earlier stated.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Just read through what you are fucking typing now. You sound like an uneducated tramp. There are rules for a reason, and the law was devised by people more intelligent and with a broader sense of right and wrong than you.

So you are naive to puruse monogamy? What the fuck? You don't happen to live in a trailer park do you?

no im a virgin actually. im wasnt talking about no monogamy on my part i meant on the guys part, but for some reason thats socialyl acceptable.

There are really 3 certainties in life, not 2.

Death, taxes, and crimsonsmokes arrogance.

[This message has been edited by fullcircle (edited 12-19-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by fullcircle:

There are really 3 certainties in life, not 2.

Death, taxes, and crimsonsmokes arrogance.



LOLZZ T3h new &T Buzzwordzord! You missed out the apostrophe, asshat.

quote:Originally posted by fullcircle:

There are really 3 certainties in life, not 2.

Death, taxes, and crimsonsmokes arrogance.





Never really thought CS arrogant...well not compared to me anyways.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:



Never really thought CS arrogant...well not compared to me anyways.

I'm not really arrogant. Just forward. Well, maybe a little.

And Jack, what are you up to at 2.03 in the morning?

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:



Never really thought CS arrogant...well not compared to me anyways.

I'm not in fact trying to start a flame war over it, but I do find his arrogance to be of comic proportions.

Much like his nose.

Swish!

quote:Originally posted by crimsonsmoke:

You missed out the apostrophe, asshat.

Good comeback.

on topic: jack, just don't do anything. unless you are feeling asdistic in which go ahead and tell the father.



off topic: dissed, even in just a few years you will see a different side of this. i am only 18, but i can see now why there are rules. children should not be having sex, at least with people who are much older or many people.

i don't know how many talk shows i have seen where 15 year olds are trying to figure out with of the 30 guys they have slept with are the father of their baby. if young children were not discouraged from sex, this would be all too frequent. in my town we were taught about protection and what not in 7th grade, and each year there after. yet, the year i graduted there was a total of 130 pregnancies out of the 3000 students.

that's a high percentage.

and yes there is abortion. and i am not going to lie, if i was to get pregnant at this point in my life i would have an abortion. but i realize it would have possible severe psycological effects on me, and i am 'grown up'. i can not imagine being 14 and having to do that. when i think of how i was, how all the people i were....you're just so...fragile. the existance of abortion shouldn't be a reason to allow underage sex.

meh...i have to go christmas shopping...i will continue later.

The answer to this dilemma is very obvious and the whole thread should have ended a long time ago, yet for some reason all of jackketch's posts have directly avoided responding to or acknowledging any of the responses to the question he asked in the first place.

Well? Everyone gave you their answer. What do you think already? Are you going to do the smart thing and ignore them or randomly get a lot of people in trouble including possibly you? Is that even a dilemma?

Replace them with a pic of you fapping to the pictures.

*R3M*

I stopped reading replies when the shitfest between crimsonsmoke and dissed started.

Anyway jack I think you should just pretend you never saw them and if anyone asks say that you never saw anything and had no idea.

Also, you are aware that totse is watched by the feds? More than a few people have disappeared from W&C after posting a little bit too much about how to modify weapons illegally. And saying something is hypothetical isn't going to stop them from kicking your door in if these hypothetical pictures do in fact exist, those members from W&C I am talking about never openly admitted to anything or for that matter even went so far as to post a "hypothetical" story, so I hope for your sake that it truely is hypothetical. And yes they might now have all been arrested, but certain mods which will remain un-named have gotten strange phone calls from the ATF before so at least a few probably were.

[This message has been edited by Cloaked Dagger (edited 12-19-2006).]

Cloaked Dagger, do the feds help out the Brits, eh?

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

shut the fuck up. let people do what they want. im 16 and i think i should be able do i take nude pics of my body if i want.arresting us for it is ridiculous.

you people dont even know what a pedophilie is. pedophiles like pre-pubescents, meaning 5 yr old kids.

Agreed, but i'm only 16 myself, so obviously my view of a pedophile is less than, say, that of a 30 year old.

quote:Originally posted by oral fixation:

on topic: jack, just don't do anything. unless you are feeling asdistic in which go ahead and tell the father.



off topic: dissed, even in just a few years you will see a different side of this. i am only 18, but i can see now why there are rules. children should not be having sex, at least with people who are much older or many people.

i don't know how many talk shows i have seen where 15 year olds are trying to figure out with of the 30 guys they have slept with are the father of their baby. if young children were not discouraged from sex, this would be all too frequent. in my town we were taught about protection and what not in 7th grade, and each year there after. yet, the year i graduted there was a total of 130 pregnancies out of the 3000 students.

that's a high percentage.

and yes there is abortion. and i am not going to lie, if i was to get pregnant at this point in my life i would have an abortion. but i realize it would have possible severe psycological effects on me, and i am 'grown up'. i can not imagine being 14 and having to do that. when i think of how i was, how all the people i were....you're just so...fragile. the existance of abortion shouldn't be a reason to allow underage sex.

meh...i have to go christmas shopping...i will continue later.

But sex should be legal as soon as you're ready for it. We shouldnt be teaching the kiddies that it's bad, especially like the right-wing conservatives do here in america. The reason these kids are geting pregnant is because we teach it as a bad thing, so the want to do it more. And also, these kids aren't going to buy condoms because either no one will sell them, or they are too embarassed by sex because of the way it's been portrayed. A note: I'm totally against the whole 30 year old man and 16 year old girl kind of thing, but if two 15 year olds want to get it on, I really can't see a problem if they're both ready and willing to use a condom. To conclude, If you can physically have sex, then you are old enough to weigh the pros and cons and to make a decision on your own part.

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

Do what you said you'd do and run like a dog. Last time you fix her computer though.

Pretend they don't exist/you never saw them.

As with the general consensus, pretend it never happened. No good can come of this.

Personally I don't think you should tell her father.

I would although confront her and tell her to 'hide her pics' better. It'll teach her.

quote:Originally posted by The Enigma:

And also, these kids aren't going to buy condoms because either no one will sell them, or they are too embarassed by sex because of the way it's been portrayed.

condoms are readily availble in all areas, where i live at least. hell, one time because we were young and silly my friends and i bought condoms at a cvs when we were 13 cause we wanted to see what they were like. the lady behind the counter rung it up like it was a candy bar...no reaction.

if you are not mature enough to purchase a condom, or hell get one for free at a clinic/school nurse, then you shouldn't be having sex. because even with a condom there is still the possibility of getting pregnant, and lord knows that no matter what course of action you take, it takes a lot more courage and responsibility than getting a condom.

You're all idiots.

quote:Originally posted by reject:

You're all idiots.

Winner of the most retarded post of 2006, reject! *claps sarcasticaly*

quote:Originally posted by Burningbridges:

Winner of the most retarded post of 2006, reject! *claps sarcasticaly*

I came to that conclusion becuase I...

quote:Originally posted by Cloaked Dagger:

stopped reading replies when the shitfest between crimsonsmoke and dissed started.

on topic -

if i was fixing some ones PC and come across things like that, the paranoia alarm bell would go

- has this been placed here for you to find?

it would also go

- if she has been trading pics of herself / others and is this uncareful about hiding them, she must be pretty uncareful online, so the cops might get onto her and i have worked on the PC so they will want to speak to me.



i would tell the father.

Paranoia gets you busted...not the crime itself.

quote:Originally posted by fullcircle:

Much like his nose.

Swish!

Lol. Quit breaking my balls.

Anyway, what would Jack do about this situation? Not my nose situation, you understand; the one about the kiddy pr0n! I'm still inclined to delete those pics and hand the drive back.

[This message has been edited by crimsonsmoke (edited 12-19-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

yeah as long as there is protection and we educate them what is wrong with that.

What about all the 'educated' 19/20 or older people who do dumb stuff? Haven't you seen them post here? Haven't you heard of them elsewhere?

Why should a 14/15 year old be as smart/smarter than someone 5+ years older who was taught the same stuff & has more experience to boot? Yet still act & talks dumb(er) than they will when they're 25 or 30?

Hey? Are you still in the phase where you have to Mandatorily tell people that, 'I'm sooo mature!'? You are aren't you...

&gt;&gt;&gt;Jack, save the best pic & have it made into a T-shirt.

Set her machine to print out all the pics on her printer when she's at school. Hopefully a parental will find them all over her floor...

j/k

[This message has been edited by moonmeister (edited 12-19-2006).]

Say it's our little secret.

pretty obvious you need to wait about 4 years and then fuck her

Ahg you remind me of my uncle. He would fix our computers...take down our IP and at 3-4am I would catch him on our fucking computer snooping around and I would open up a word document and be like "HEY MIKE HOW YA DOIN? MIND GETTIN OFF MY COMPUTER?" Fucking annoying as shit. Just leave it be and give her back her computer.



EDIT: CarbonB and Dissed should both shut the fuck up. Do YOU REALLY GIVE A SHIT what is going in and out of some girls fucking vagina so much that you have to bicker back and forth so god damn much. WHO CARES. It doesn't effect either of you. Shut the fuck up. Jesus christ. If you were both edjucated like you think you are you would realise neither of your opinions mean jack shit to anyone. Good day.

[This message has been edited by soro_one (edited 12-19-2006).]

Lol @ Thread

quote:Originally posted by The Enigma:

Agreed, but i'm only 16 myself, so obviously my view of a pedophile is less than, say, that of a 30 year old.

youre stupid. your attraction to people doesnt change. 30 yr olds are still attracted to 16 yr olds. its normal.

im ONLY attracted to people over 30, what does that say?

pedophilia is pre-pubescent, end of story. by your standards a 40 yr old and a 20 yr old is pedophilia. ITS NOT.



[This message has been edited by Dissed (edited 12-19-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:



im ONLY attracted to people over 30, what does that say?

That you should phone me?

you like chicks that dont shower once a day. so i wont.

I say delete them and make a snide comment to her about it.

This reminds me of another story. About 6 months ago, I was at an old friends house, who had a nice alien ware comp. This thing was tits. So he says, get on there, do what you want, I don't care. So I'm going through his porn collection, only to find TONS of underage vids. And when I say underage, I mean, like 6 years old. Actual children being exploited by older men. Sick fucking shit.

So anyway, I'm trying to figure out what I should do about all this. Well, in the mean time, we have a bad storm, and he has no surge protector on his BRAND NEW alienware (fucking idiot) The transformer goes out, and ends up frying his fucking computer. It was DEAD.

Now granted, the vids are still on his HDD, but his comp no longer works, therefore he can't access them. I still think I should have called the cops, but I really wasn't in much of a position to do that, being as I was geeked out on meth the WHOLE time I was down there.

Needless to say, I never even looked him in the eye after I found them, and have not talked to him since then.

I always thought he was a bit creepy, but I never knew how creepy. It's fucked up too, it was my best friends brother. My best friend being a real upstanding guy. And the creepy fucker had the balls to bitch at ME about smoking pot.

I truly hope that one day someone murders him. That was someones fucking daughter(s) man. Real kids, not just some 16 year old. So fucked up.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

im ONLY attracted to people over 30, what does that say?

You have a reverse Oedipus complex and want to fuck your father.

Being older than most of you, and having seen what happens to people who get involved with underage porn, I think I'd vote for just returning her box without comment. If she thinks that you've seen the pics, and either gets caught or gets pissed off at you for some reason, you might catch a lot of flak. Of course, that being said, I probably have to make a copy for myself.

Like most things in life, if you ignore it for long enough, eventually it will go away.

Just forget about it. If you call the police your ass is liable to get in trouble. Also imagine the shit it will stir up betwen you,her family, your sons, ect..

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

You have a reverse Oedipus complex and want to fuck your father.

its actually called an Electra complex in the case of females.

I dont want to fuck my father though, i dont even really know him ive met him twice.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

its actually called an Electra complex in the case of females.

I dont want to fuck my father though, i dont even really know him ive met him twice.

Ooooh, this girl isn't as stupid as she looks!!

Really though, we know you wanna bone you pops.

quote:Originally posted by soro_one:

If you were both edjucated like you think you are...

I'm sorry. While I agree with both your points, you missed this even after an edit. This is a lesson you must learn, be careful how you word a lecture (or in this case type) and be thankful that CarbonB didn't catch it first.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

its actually called an Electra complex in the case of females.

I dont want to fuck my father though, i dont even really know him ive met him twice.

All the more reason to fuck him. He won't remember if you get him drunk enough.

Also, Kate where you been at?

I didn't read all the replies, so maybe this has been mentioned...But maybe she meant for you to see them? Because I know if I was giving my computer to someone else I would delete anything incriminating/embarassing, without a doubt.

I would go with the embarassing option. I think that will atleast scare her enough to stop being a slut for a while atleast...

quote:Originally posted by Sick_Boy:

I didn't read all the replies, so maybe this has been mentioned...But maybe she meant for you to see them? Because I know if I was giving my computer to someone else I would delete anything incriminating/embarassing, without a doubt.

I would go with the embarassing option. I think that will atleast scare her enough to stop being a slut for a while atleast...

..&gt;And then she turns it back around, and he goes to jail for ten years?

Fuck that. A good data recoverist doesn't look at the data. He'll look at something that's public information, but not anything personal.

It's a stupid move to do otherwise. Stupid and most likely the kind that'd get him thrown in jail.

Sicky, your hypothesis and advice compliment each other in a way you didn't expect.

Think about it.

As a sidenote, I disagree with your hypothesis. It is far more likely she simply forgot.

[This message has been edited by stab (edited 12-19-2006).]

If I was her I would have deleted the files before I let anyone else use my computer.

I mean come on, don't you people remember the efforts you made to hide your wanking material in your early teens?

quote:Originally posted by yoyobek:

Like most things in life, if you ignore it for long enough, eventually it will go away.

I sincerly hope you never get a tumour.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

Cloaked Dagger, do the feds help out the Brits, eh?

The brit feds might watch it too, wouldn't surpise me.

giv the ip adresses of nonces, then someone track there ips down and steal there home adresses so we can beat them shitless. Ok not em Im kind of small, I mean someone with teh same hate for pedophiles as myself but with some braun to back it up...

Michael

quote:Originally posted by Cloaked Dagger:

The brit feds might watch it too, wouldn't surpise me.

Isn't that Interpol? Does Interpol even exist? Are my pants getting too big?

All this and more will be revealed in the next exciting adventure of GUSWUT THE WONDERFUL!

Just delete the pics. She isnt going to ask you about them and its not like its hard to take more.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

heres how to solve teen pregnancy: SAFE SEX AND ABORTION.

and I think the age of consent should be abolished and sex should be legal if you have gone thorugh puberty.

So in the rarity of cases that a young girl around 9 or 10 years old have 'gone through' (or started) puberty she should be at the age to have consentual sex? (according to you). I thought they should be abolished (once again, according to you). Its obvious that 'she' wouldn't have anywhere near the necessary understanding of the whole concept of sex, so sure she could 'legally' consent, but lets think about sexual ethics?

For the record, I really dont like you.

The professional option is to save it all and hand it to her without any comment. After all it isn't your data and well the pictures are of herself.

However, if you are required by your laws to report said illegal activities to the authorities then you have no choice in the matter.

However since what she does have is illegal under your laws then I would tell her as such and that if she wants to keep the pictures it would be best to tell her to be more discrete about it because who knows who will be the next person to see them "accidentally."

quote:Originally posted by Mindless Xyzzyean:

Originally posted by Dissed:

heres how to solve teen pregnancy: SAFE SEX AND ABORTION.

and I think the age of consent should be abolished and sex should be legal if you have gone thorugh puberty.

So in the rarity of cases that a young girl around 9 or 10 years old have 'gone through' (or started) puberty she should be at the age to have consentual sex? (according to you). I thought they should be abolished (once again, according to you). Its obvious that 'she' wouldn't have anywhere near the necessary understanding of the whole concept of sex, so sure she could 'legally' consent, but lets think about sexual ethics?

For the record, I really dont like you.

are you a moron? I started masturbating when I was 9. I knew what sex was.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

All the more reason to fuck him. He won't remember if you get him drunk enough.

Also, Kate where you been at?

he actually never drank when I was around out of respect I guess, it was only like a day.

I can only say you have to either forget about them, or delete them, and then forget about them.

If, and this is a big if, you have a good relationship with her, you may wish to say something along the lines of "be careful what pictures you keep on your PC - I have deleted everything, so you have no worries from now on".

Because you are not being paid to do this, it is best just to forget all about it. If you were being paid, you would have to inform either your supervisor, or the police.

Cheers,

Chump

Really though, it's all hypothetical, right Jack?

Those copies you made for totse are not really real, and aren't going to be posted under a different name right, eh? EH?

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

are you a moron? I started masturbating when I was 9. I knew what sex was.

Did you understand the extremety of it and such psychological impact as, say, you do now?

quote:Originally posted by Mindless Xyzzyean:

Originally posted by Dissed:

are you a moron? I started masturbating when I was 9. I knew what sex was.

Did you understand the extremety of it and such psychological impact as, say, you do now?



yeah i knew the consequences if you didnt use protection.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

yeah i knew the consequences if you didnt use protection.



You mean locking the bedroom door so mommy wouldn't surpise you? :P

my door didnt have a lock, i only did it at night back then when she was asleep.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

my door didnt have a lock, i only did it at night back then when she was asleep.



ahhh the sweet innocence of childhood :P

dissed:

1) just because you usse protection doesn't mean it won't fail. do you really think a 9 year old will be ready and able to handle either having a baby, or killing it?

2) you are a virgin. you cannot say people are ready because until you have sex you don't truely know for sure. stop talking about what you don't know.

1) why dont we just outlaw all sex then? since protection is not 100%? you're being ageist. plus there is the morning after pill which i think should be available to all ages.

2.yeah but im not naive. i dont view sex as some kinda of deep "love" thing. sure you can have sex when youre in love but it all comes down to lust.

[This message has been edited by Dissed (edited 12-20-2006).]

age-st....are you kidding me?

fuck psychological issues, the female body just does not handle having a child until at least late teens. do you have ANY idea how horriible it would be for a 9 year old to have a child??? just because the plumbing is hooked up doesn't mean it works...

and just because you believe you are not naive doesn't mean most young teens aren't. it is all too common for young girls, and boys for that matter, to rush into sex and get hurt from both the actual act and the relationship. someone might think their parnter loves them so they give it up to them...then they get ditched. this is always difficult to deal with, but even more so at such a tender age.



did you get nothing from the movie kids?

quote:Originally posted by oral fixation:

age-st....are you kidding me?

fuck psychological issues, the female body just does not handle having a child until at least late teens. do you have ANY idea how horriible it would be for a 9 year old to have a child??? just because the plumbing is hooked up doesn't mean it works...

and just because you believe you are not naive doesn't mean most young teens aren't. it is all too common for young girls, and boys for that matter, to rush into sex and get hurt from both the actual act and the relationship. someone might think their parnter loves them so they give it up to them...then they get ditched. this is always difficult to deal with, but even more so at such a tender age.



did you get nothing from the movie kids?

who cares if its difficult to deal with, its difficult at 18 but thats legal. quit these candy-ass laws that prevent people from getting their hearts broken.

actually the female body DOES handle having a body after it goes through puberty. and the hormones during pregnancy speed up the maturation process.

theres a reason why teens are naive WE TELL THEM THEY ARE CHILDREN AND TREAT THEM LIKE CHILDREN. back in the 1800s teenagers were mature and having babies and the whole shebang. now we've dumbed them down and tried to make them ignorant with abosultely no rights and making them sexually retarded. thats why they're so f'ed up. go over to scandinavia where the age of consent is 13 they have the LOWEST teen pregnancy rates on earth.why? because they are open about sex to kids from a young age unlike Puritan american culture.

[This message has been edited by Dissed (edited 12-20-2006).]

umm block out the exposed area with a little black bar that says "censored"

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

who cares if its difficult to deal with, its difficult at 18 but thats legal. quit these candy-ass laws that prevent people from getting their hearts broken.

actually the female body DOES handle having a body after it goes through puberty. and the hormones during pregnancy speed up the maturation process.

theres a reason why teens are naive WE TELL THEM THEY ARE CHILDREN AND TREAT THEM LIKE CHILDREN. back in the 1800s teenagers were mature and having babies and the whole shebang. now we've dumbed them down and tried to make them ignorant with abosultely no rights and making them sexually retarded. thats why they're so f'ed up. go over to scandinavia where the age of consent is 13 they have the LOWEST teen pregnancy rates on earth.why? because they are open about sex to kids from a young age unlike Puritan american culture.



Once again, like you comparing yourself to Mariyln Monroe, comparing now to the 1800's is idiotic.

Why don't we just compare ourselves to Jesus' time where it was okay to stone people to death, or cut off their hands if they stole. Have you ever stolen anything? Think about how you would have no hands right now.

Times change, and you trying to say that since teenagers had responsibility in the 1800's is a reason to let them post naked pictures of themselves on the internet. Well then I am going to have to again call you a fucking moron.

Just shut the fuck up already.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Once again, like you comparing yourself to Mariyln Monroe, comparing now to the 1800's is idiotic.

Why don't we just compare ourselves to Jesus' time where it was okay to stone people to death, or cut off their hands if they stole. Have you ever stolen anything? Think about how you would have no hands right now.

Times change, and you trying to say that since teenagers had responsibility in the 1800's is a reason to let them post naked pictures of themselves on the internet. Well then I am going to have to again call you a fucking moron.

Just shut the fuck up already.

you really cant stand science I suppose.

you are gonan tell me that when we are given a time to fuck thats the same as killing someone?

youre in denial. youve been brainwashed that "youth sex= bad".

you think that just because we're sexually repressing youth these days that makes it okay because its "hip" or whatever?

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

Originally posted by The Enigma:

Agreed, but i'm only 16 myself, so obviously my view of a pedophile is less than, say, that of a 30 year old.

youre stupid. your attraction to people doesnt change. 30 yr olds are still attracted to 16 yr olds. its normal.

im ONLY attracted to people over 30, what does that say?

pedophilia is pre-pubescent, end of story. by your standards a 40 yr old and a 20 yr old is pedophilia. ITS NOT.





Er, no. I never said that. I'd say if you're over 21, you shouldnt be fucking someone under 18.

quote:Originally posted by The Enigma:

Er, no. I never said that. I'd say if you're over 21, you shouldnt be fucking someone under 18.

once again, some dumbass rule created by american society and nothing more.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

once again, some dumbass rule created by american society and nothing more.

Sex is not something any specific age group should be allowed. In fact, I've met many thirty year olds that aren't mature enough to screw.

Really, sex needs to be something that no one is allowed until they mature the fuck up. But since that'll never happen, we need to have logical rules that work well enough to keep society in order.

One of those simple rules is that adults aren't allowed to fuck kids. Why? Because it has caused problems in the past. Really now, if you don't make a big deal about it, it isn't a problem.

But when you go around and make a big deal over it, it'll become a massive problem and cause more trouble than a little cock is worth.

Just swallow, and keep your mouth SHUT when it comes to talking about fucking older men. ;P

Perhaps the legal right to sex, or alcohol or drugs for that matter, should be committed by license, not age.

If a three year old only needs to know how to use a firearm and pass a test to obtain a seriously deadly weapon, then the same laws should apply to much less dangerous things, such as sex.

A test of knowledge. Stringent, and to the point. Non-discriminant of age. More logical than the current laws, certainly.

I would lollerfappergasmcoaster down Main Street if you suggest taking a MAP when you are 9 is a good idea.

quote:Really, sex needs to be something that no one is allowed until they mature the fuck up. But since that'll never happen, we need to have logical rules that work well enough to keep society in order.

Cmon Gus, you are talking to someone who thinks she is a sex guru just because she found her clit about logic?

Honestly, Dissed, 9? And you call Americans prudes.

The only thing I hate (and "hate" is an understatement) more than arrogant people are self-righteous women that lack any semblence of logic.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

[...]she found her clit about logic?

What the hell does that mean? About logic? Huh?!

Damn it, you're nearly as confusing as moon.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

Sex is not something any specific age group should be allowed. In fact, I've met many thirty year olds that aren't mature enough to screw.

Really, sex needs to be something that no one is allowed until they mature the fuck up. But since that'll never happen, we need to have logical rules that work well enough to keep society in order.

One of those simple rules is that adults aren't allowed to fuck kids. Why? Because it has caused problems in the past. Really now, if you don't make a big deal about it, it isn't a problem.

But when you go around and make a big deal over it, it'll become a massive problem and cause more trouble than a little cock is worth.

Just swallow, and keep your mouth SHUT when it comes to talking about fucking older men. ;P

no i wont. people want me to but i wont.

you say kids, but you cant define it.

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

What the hell does that mean? About logic? Huh?!

Damn it, you're nearly as confusing as moon.

Moon?

Anyway, I say she thinks she is knows what sex is all about just because she found her clit at 9.

And you are talking to this person about logic.

Rather illgical.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

actually the female body DOES handle having a body after it goes through puberty. and the hormones during pregnancy speed up the maturation process.

yeah...after it goes thru puberty (or at least a few years in)...but not right off the bat.

"Risks for medical complications are greater for girls 14 years of age and younger, as an underdeveloped pelvis can lead to difficulties in childbirth. Obstructed labour is normally dealt with by Caesarean section in industrialized nations; however, in developing regions where medical services might be unavailable, it can lead to eclampsia, obstetric fistula, infant mortality, or maternal death."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnancy



so yeah, just cause a 9 year old has started puberty, doesn't mean that she can handle having a child. hell, until the age of 20 pregnancies are considered high risk by doctors.



all i know is that if i had a child and they came to me at any age below 16 and they were pregnant/gf was pregnant...i would flat out be ashamed.



there is so much time in life...wait till you can handle it. hell, i am still with the guy i lost my virginity to and i wish i waited.

and mind you, this is all just physical aspect of it...the psychological is far worse. you may feel all grown up, but you're not. and many people who are young are just looking for acceptance...hell you yourself are probably looking for a father figure in all those 30 year old guys....and when they are let down it hurts i think more than it does when you are older. with age comes not just maturity, but wisdom and the ability to see the world better. you may think you are not naive and not silly enough to believe in love (which, btw is sad) but MANY young girls are. and telling them that sleeping with people is hunky dory will just set them up for a steep fall.

and yes, back in the 1800s women were having sex and children....BUT THEY WERE MARRIED. there was SOOOO much less chance of hurt by the person you were with. AND child birth was one of the leading causes of death (probably for the reasons you can see on the wikipedia site)



so think what you want, but i assure you...within a few years you will realize that you were at least partially wrong.

Dude, just let it go. Don't say anything and let her have her naked fun.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

self-righteous women

bitches need to learn how to close their mouths unless of course performing oral.

and need to improve sammich making skills.

pffftt....women....i tell ya...

quote:Originally posted by oral fixation:

yeah...after it goes thru puberty (or at least a few years in)...but not right off the bat.

"Risks for medical complications are greater for girls 14 years of age and younger, as an underdeveloped pelvis can lead to difficulties in childbirth. Obstructed labour is normally dealt with by Caesarean section in industrialized nations; however, in developing regions where medical services might be unavailable, it can lead to eclampsia, obstetric fistula, infant mortality, or maternal death."

http://e n.wikipedi a.org/wiki /Teenage_pregnancy (http: //en.wikip edia.org/w iki/Teenag e_pregnanc y)



so yeah, just cause a 9 year old has started puberty, doesn't mean that she can handle having a child. hell, until the age of 20 pregnancies are considered high risk by doctors.



all i know is that if i had a child and they came to me at any age below 16 and they were pregnant/gf was pregnant...i would flat out be ashamed.



there is so much time in life...wait till you can handle it. hell, i am still with the guy i lost my virginity to and i wish i waited.

and mind you, this is all just physical aspect of it...the psychological is far worse. you may feel all grown up, but you're not. and many people who are young are just looking for acceptance...hell you yourself are probably looking for a father figure in all those 30 year old guys....and when they are let down it hurts i think more than it does when you are older. with age comes not just maturity, but wisdom and the ability to see the world better. you may think you are not naive and not silly enough to believe in love (which, btw is sad) but MANY young girls are. and telling them that sleeping with people is hunky dory will just set them up for a steep fall.

and yes, back in the 1800s women were having sex and children....BUT THEY WERE MARRIED. there was SOOOO much less chance of hurt by the person you were with. AND child birth was one of the leading causes of death (probably for the reasons you can see on the wikipedia site)



so think what you want, but i assure you...within a few years you will realize that you were at least partially wrong.

k thats in places like africa and third world countries where people are poorly fed and in weak health and UNDERDEVELOPED so their bodies cant support it because of delayed bone structure from poor nutrition, etc. the majority of todays western 14 yr olds can handle birth.

oh and by the way back then many women over the age of 20 died of childbirth because of the poor medical treatment back then with excessive blood loss.

[This message has been edited by Dissed (edited 12-20-2006).]

you know what...i don't care anymore.

go...have fun being a slut with 30+ men.

hope you like it when you get pregnant/an std and they won't return your phone calls. i'm sure that will be fun.

i weep for your children...

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

he majority of todays western 14 yr olds can handle birth.

Are you a doctor? I didnt think so.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Are you a doctor? I didnt think so.

you dont have to be a doctor to know that

quote:Originally posted by oral fixation:

you know what...i don't care anymore.

go...have fun being a slut with 30+ men.

hope you like it when you get pregnant/an std and they won't return your phone calls. i'm sure that will be fun.

i weep for your children...

i guess i proved you wrong!

^The only thing you proved is how much of a dumbass you are.

Im a dumbass because I recite facts, right.

...Back on topic, anyone?

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

I recite facts

Where?....

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Where?....

yeah okay so you missed the whole debate in this thread

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

yeah okay so you missed the whole debate in this thread

Posting no more than two paragraphs and spewing "OMGZ AMERICAN CULTURE IS TEH PR00D" doesnt amount to "facts".

If you actually did any debating in this thread, you failed completely at it.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

you dont have to be a doctor to know that

Just friends with barely-pubescent sluts who pop out babies because they don't know/care about contraceptives?

Listen, I'm all for younger girls having legal sex, but you're crossing even my line here. I would never want to see a 14 year old go through pregnancy, and I do not think you are qualified to preach that it's safe.

quote:Originally posted by stab:

Just friends with barely-pubescent sluts who pop out babies because they don't know/care about contraceptives?

Listen, I'm all for younger girls having legal sex, but you're crossing even my line here. I would never want to see a 14 year old go through pregnancy, and I do not think you are qualified to preach that it's safe.

bareley pubescent? on average puberty begins at 9/10 by 14 they're well into it.

not qualified? im just telling you a scientific fact and you just dont wanna believe it so you tell me you wont listen cause Im not a M.D. cause ONLY THEN would it be true.

are you an idiot, i told we should EDUCATE THEM ABOUT CONTRACEPTIVES AT A YOUNG AGE.they are ignorant of it because we dont teach it.

like I said, Scandinavia, lowest teen pregnancy rates in the world. Age of consent: 13. well educated about sex and contraception in the public school system from early on. you do the math.

^We aren't doing math bitch, and what works for a country that is extremely small in comparison to the U.S. doesn't mean it will work everywhere.

Do you understand why you can't necessarily implement things from other countries easily into the U.S.?

People are trying to raise awareness about teen pregnancy and protection. However the shit isn't going to happen in a fucking year. Once again, you showing how little you know about the real world and it's workings.

yeah you are talking about society, which is fucked and subjective.

How is it that after so many people have offered logic and reasoning, yet you still think you're ontop of everyone here, douche?

*finishes taco* (it was necessary)

So you're saying that because a girl is phsycially capable of having a child at nine years old (this is all according to you), that it should be socially accepted? Lets twist the story line a little... if a person is capable of killing someone (regardless of age), should it be morally/socially accepted, if not, why?

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Once again, you showing how little you know about the real world and it's workings.

If I remember correctly you're 16 year old, demonstrating how little you do know, now what about a majority of people younger than you (yet as mature physically)...say as young at 13 etc... I'd figure they'd be even more naive than you? Therefore, should not be having sex.

Bump..

200th post.

Shit, everytime I do a small post... flood control.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:



Also, Kate where you been at?

HIJACK! lawl.



Busy the last couple of days, Only been online rather late at night my time.

But you know where to find me I'm always there!

Sadly I got banned

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Sadly I got banned

quote:Originally posted by KwinnieBogan:

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Sadly I got banned

O rly?

Might have fixed that.

laws most o the time are so fucking stupid

Holy Frak, this is a long topic...

Anyways, I have no opinion on this matter.

§Myth§

quote:Originally posted by kAtE-:

Might have fixed that.

Might? Haha, we know who cracks the whip in YOUR relationship!

If you want to teach her a lesson, photoshop your face onto the pics.

she sounds like a skank, blackmail her for sex, or tell her dad. though the best thing is probably t forget that you invaded her privacy and let it go. she'll get hers soon enough doing that kind of shit.

So what was the twist you were talking about Jack, if i remember correctly?

I'd say make a "hide your pics better" comment. Unless that just makes it sound like you were going through her stuff...?

That should put the frighteners on her without leading to too much fuss/police involvement/parentally administered beating.

5 PAGES OF THREAD = USELESS WITHOUT PICS

Right now it's only pictures...soon enough it could progress onto videos that someone at her school might find. Imagine the shit that would happen if her father found out through someone elses parent that there was pornographic videos of his daughter floaring around. Sounds like one of those things you should tell the parent about, I mean if you were the father, wouldn't you want to know? This girl is obviously troubled.

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

are you a moron? I started masturbating when I was 9. I knew what sex was.

Oh how cruelly they must have treated you!

You should have gotten your driver's licence, car & credit cards, as you were, like totally mature! You should have gotten pregnant when you were 10...if you wanted.

A mature 10 yr old like you would have made a super mother!

It's a 'Hot Potato'? As in D. Adams' 'Dirk Gently: Holistic Detective".

Too dangerous to hold or even mention...

[This message has been edited by moonmeister (edited 12-23-2006).]

And what issue would be resolved by turning this information over? I personally think you're trying to apply your own moral standards where they do not apply. Whether or not some teen-aged girl likes to take pictures of her vagina is really none of your concern.

If these are pictures of herself, that she herself is the sole owner of, I don't even see a legal issue here, or a need to create one.

Stop being a self-righteous douchebag.

Whats next? Reporting the underage smokers at your local bus stop?

Easy as hell, really.

1)Save 'em for your personal pleasure (optional)

2)Add a txt file in the pic folder saying "Hide your pics better"

3)Return the fixed computer with all the files.

This is a difficult situation.

If her dad wern't that old school to say it with your words, I would tell him with no doubt and make a comment to the girl.

Now I really thinkg you would need to say something to the girl, but I personally would say it a little less subtile, make her understand good what an idiot she is for taking such pics and sending them. And maybe tell her the story of that girl who sent naked picks to her boyfriend and when she broke up he posted them all over the internet where they still can be found in numerous places. If her kids ever google their mother's name they will get a bunch of naked pics of her, not just a porn actress with the same name. Imagine discovering that kind of past ...

Anyway, I think this is very serious, the decaying of morals of nowaday's youth bothers me a lot. But she's just a dumb child so she doesn't deserves a beating.

At least delete them and tell her something to let her know she's dumb.

It's just so touchy...A-dull-ts talking about the thexxth with underage kids?

Almost bound to be some kinds of weird... No?

quote:Originally posted by Gus:

She didn't give you her computer so you could snoop around on it, you asshat. Copy her data, format it, and then make sure you never mention it again.

If anyone asks, you never saw the pictures. It's not your problem, so stop being like my president and getting your fucking fingers into ever fucking cookie jar you can find.

Hell, though, if you don't want to help anyone anymore, then go tell her dad, and watch no one trust you to ask them for help every again. What a great person that'll make you, eh Mister? :\

Shut up.

=CK=

quote:Originally posted by Dissed:

you dont have to be a doctor to know that

really, just look at all the little mexican cumsluts waddling around with tripletts