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 #1 
Old 2006-12-14, 17:00
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Default What do you find most attractive...

...on the male body in terms of muscles?

List only 1 or 2 (no huge lists).

This is mostly for the girls, but guys can give their straight opinion as well.

Personally, I always notice huge triceps. The whole "horse shoe" thing when they're really defined.

Also, pecs (a huge chest).

So girls (and guys?) what muscles do you find most sexy on a guy?
 #2 
Old 2006-12-14, 17:01
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Just arms, chest and stuff is offputting
 #3 
Old 2006-12-14, 17:02
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I just like the arms to be a little muscular, and for maybe a firm stomach.

But that's all, I'm not crazy about muscular men.
 #4 
Old 2006-12-14, 17:04
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Arms, and back. A slightly defined stomach doesn't hurt either. None of that over-pumped bodybuilder crap though. I like a little bit of soft to poke at.
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Old 2006-12-14, 17:04
lauren7249 lauren7249 is offline
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don't care. i don't even look for muscles.

since you asked, i used to be a fan of abs, but now they are completely meaningless to me.

[This message has been edited by lauren7249 (edited 12-14-2006).]
 #6 
Old 2006-12-14, 17:12
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quote:Originally posted by wires:

chest and stuff is offputting.

quote:Originally posted by Flock:

I'm not crazy about muscular men.

quote:Originally posted by Demoiselle:

I like a little bit of soft to poke at.

quote:Originally posted by lauren7249:

don't care. i don't even look for muscles.

now it is completely meaningless.

Okay, am I missing something?

I thought guys are supposed to be muscular, and that's what girls like.
 #7 
Old 2006-12-14, 17:16
lauren7249 lauren7249 is offline
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^^^there are all types of girls out there. some want men to look like GI Joes. Others want them to look human.

Seriously, though, I don't like big muscles. I prefer function over form. If the muscles are a result of an activity in your life that brings you joy and fulfillment, that's hot. but if you're going to the gym several times a week to "sculpt" them, that's vain, and vanity is a turn off to me. as long is the guy is healthy, that's all i care about. anything past that is fluff, and i couldn't care less.



[This message has been edited by lauren7249 (edited 12-14-2006).]
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Old 2006-12-14, 17:16
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quote:Originally posted by arquin:

Okay, am I missing something?

I thought guys are supposed to be muscular, and that's what girls like. As far as what I've heard from girls, how muscular a guy is really doesn't mean much. A little defined is good, other than that they don't seem to care much though.
 #9 
Old 2006-12-14, 17:18
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Muscles aren't what's cool now. Apparently, now girls seem to want guys that are heroin chic.

I haven't been able to get any exercise for almost two months. I could not look more like crap if I tried and it doesn't seem to have changed anything.

[This message has been edited by Euda (edited 12-14-2006).]
 #10 
Old 2006-12-14, 17:20
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Not really bothered. I dont find huge bulgy muscles attractive, but I wouldnt say that a guy with big muscles was unattractive because I dont know what his personality might be like..
 #11 
Old 2006-12-14, 17:28
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quote:Originally posted by Euda:

heroin chic.

Thaaaat's me!
 #12 
Old 2006-12-14, 17:30
lauren7249 lauren7249 is offline
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quote:Originally posted by arquin:

Thaaaat's me!



so arquin, you're a pretty lean guy, right? are you thinking of working out to get buff so girls think you're uber hot? if so, then here's what i have to say: the benefits you get from getting buff would be purely psychological. i think the lean body type is actually ideal for a lot of girls.

disclaimer: i don't discriminate against muscular guys either.
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Old 2006-12-14, 17:37
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People just have different tastes.

Perhaps I'm weird, but if I had to chose between Orlando Bloom or Jack Black, I'd chose Jack black in a heartbeat.
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Old 2006-12-14, 17:37
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quote:Originally posted by lauren7249:



so arquin, you're a pretty lean guy, right? are you thinking of working out to get buff so girls think you're uber hot? if so, then here's what i have to say: the benefits you get from getting buff would be purely psychological. i think the lean body type is actually ideal for a lot of girls.

disclaimer: i don't discriminate against muscular guys either.

I'm not thinking about it, I already am doing it. With insanely good success.

I don't do it purely to get big. It's a way of replacing drugs in my life. One habit has to be replaced with another.

Euda, are you skinny?
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Old 2006-12-14, 17:49
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quote:Originally posted by arquin:

Euda, are you skinny?

No, I'm a powerful looking guy. Construction and other things I've done tend to build muscle.

I'll never be heroin chic. Wait, one of my calves is heroin chic from breaking my foot.
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Old 2006-12-14, 17:51
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Coming from a str8 fella, I think those guys on the covers of bodybuilding mags are fucking freaks, and I can't even begin to conceive of why some women find these monsters attractive.
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Old 2006-12-14, 17:55
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this thread makes me feel good as all the muscle i have comes from what i do all the time, and someone said thats hot
 #18 
Old 2006-12-14, 18:00
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Default Re: What do you find most attractive...

What sort of exercises are you looking at as a habit replacement?

I've known a few people who have managed this transition successfully.
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Old 2006-12-14, 18:25
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quote:Originally posted by lauren7249:

^^^there are all types of girls out there. some want men to look like GI Joes. Others want them to look human.

Seriously, though, I don't like big muscles. I prefer function over form. If the muscles are a result of an activity in your life that brings you joy and fulfillment, that's hot. but if you're going to the gym several times a week to "sculpt" them, that's vain, and vanity is a turn off to me. as long is the guy is healthy, that's all i care about. anything past that is fluff, and i couldn't care less.



Actually, going to the gym is a very good way of venting stress and after an hour of working out I always feel good so not all the guys are doing it to get bigger muscles.
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Old 2006-12-14, 18:35
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quote:Originally posted by Euda:

What sort of exercises are you looking at as a habit replacement?

I've known a few people who have managed this transition successfully.

I used drugs for fun, and as a way of taking things out on my self. Punishment. If I was angry at my self, or something, I'd get MASSIVLY fucked up.

So when I work out, it has to have a feel of punishment. So I do low rep, very heavy weight excersise. For a short time afterwards, I actually feel euphoric , I'm loving it.
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Old 2006-12-14, 19:57
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quote:Originally posted by arquin:

Okay, am I missing something?

I thought guys are supposed to be muscular, and that's what girls like.



Well obviously it's nice for them to be quite a bit stronger than you, but that doesn't mean they have to look all 'buff'. That kind of devotion to constantly working on your body shows a streak of vanity which is offputting. Strong arms are nice to have wrapped around you, and make you feel safe, without them being all 'Mens Health'-ly.
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Old 2006-12-14, 20:08
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Getting a little more buff will make you more attractive to females. It shows that you care about your health and appearance. Don't do it just to impress chicks though, do it for yourself, which you seem to be doing. Good job.
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Old 2006-12-14, 20:21
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as a straight guy,that works out...when i can see that somebody works out,i always look at their backs...because my back isnt that muscular at all.no matter how hard i work it out.and forearms...i have kinda big biceps/triceps and some kinda skinny forearms with big hands...so its kindof an akward part of my body.

but ive heard that the vanity muscles are

arms

abs

calves and ill throw in chest too.
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Old 2006-12-14, 20:49
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Who are all you girls and why dont you live in my tow?. Seriously, all the girls here are stuckup scenster cunts that want the hottest toned up man they can get. I look like a heroin addict so it doesnt help me much around here,
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Old 2006-12-14, 20:49
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Default Re: What do you find most attractive...

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

So girls (and guys?) what muscles do you find most sexy on a guy?

Undoubtably...legs.
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Old 2006-12-14, 21:53
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quote:Originally posted by oc6:

Undoubtably...legs.

Hooray, my legs muscles are huge.
 #27 
Old 2006-12-14, 21:53
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quote:Originally posted by oc6:

Undoubtably...legs.

Some freaky hobo in the city said to me

"Haha, mate you gots a pair of lucky legs!"

So I'm like..."What?"

"..lucky they don't break off and go up yua arse!!"

They so skinny...
 #28 
Old 2006-12-14, 22:13
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I like my boyfriend's muscular arms and thighs. They're just so big and sexy. But overall I don't like really muscly guys. I like my men to have a bit of pudge.
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Old 2006-12-14, 22:35
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quote:Originally posted by wires:



That kind of devotion to constantly working on your body shows a streak of vanity which is offputting.

I am completely devoted to working on my body. In fact, I am completely devoted to working on every part of myself I can. I work out, I run, I use facial creams, conditioner, the whole shebang. Not because I really care for myself, but because I used to be a skinny loser and I want my girlfriend to have a boyfriend she can be proud of...

And now I find out it might all be for nothing.
 #30 
Old 2006-12-14, 22:43
Isobutane Isobutane is offline
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Big, all over, but not gross and poppy outy muscles. kinda like a school team rugby player?

Or nice, small, light six pack. Yeah. I prefer it just light and a stomach like that is niiice.
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Old 2006-12-14, 22:43
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quote:Originally posted by lauren7249:

^^^there are all types of girls out there. some want men to look like GI Joes. Others want them to look human.

Seriously, though, I don't like big muscles. I prefer function over form. If the muscles are a result of an activity in your life that brings you joy and fulfillment, that's hot. but if you're going to the gym several times a week to "sculpt" them, that's vain, and vanity is a turn off to me. as long is the guy is healthy, that's all i care about. anything past that is fluff, and i couldn't care less.



Lol, this is a ridiculous statement. So it is vain to go to the gym? How so? Believe it or not, most sports do not get you big muscles.

The big muscles come from lifting in the gym to improve yourself for the sport. However to just go to the gym to be in good shape is in no way vain.
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Old 2006-12-14, 22:47
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quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

Originally posted by wires:



That kind of devotion to constantly working on your body shows a streak of vanity which is offputting.

I am completely devoted to working on my body. In fact, I am completely devoted to working on every part of myself I can. I work out, I run, I use facial creams, conditioner, the whole shebang. Not because I really care for myself, but because I used to be a skinny loser and I want my girlfriend to have a boyfriend she can be proud of...

And now I find out it might all be for nothing.

Isn't it neat?

Isn't it neat?

To have the world

you thought you knew

pulled out right

from under your feet.
 #33 
Old 2006-12-14, 22:54
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quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

Originally posted by wires:



That kind of devotion to constantly working on your body shows a streak of vanity which is offputting.

I am completely devoted to working on my body. In fact, I am completely devoted to working on every part of myself I can. I work out, I run, I use facial creams, conditioner, the whole shebang. Not because I really care for myself, but because I used to be a skinny loser and I want my girlfriend to have a boyfriend she can be proud of...

And now I find out it might all be for nothing.

Nah, man, if nothing else your reasoning behind it is as unvain as possible.

I for one don't consider working out at a gym vain, because men don't do it just because they love themselves, they do it because they don't and they want to improve.

As for what I tend to find aesthetically positive, arms, definitely legs, and definitely chest. I mean, you don't have to be pro-Wrestler big, but having definition from muscle rather than fat is more than a little pleasing to the eye.
 #34 
Old 2006-12-14, 23:42
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abs and arms. not too muscly though.

yeah, im a bi guy.
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Old 2006-12-14, 23:46
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quote:Originally posted by oc6:

Undoubtably...legs.



Oh fuck!

I take it flabby hairy legs with a side order of varicose veins don't turn your engine over?
 #36 
Old 2006-12-15, 00:17
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quote:Originally posted by jackketch:



Oh fuck!

I take it flabby hairy legs with a side order of varicose veins don't turn your engine over?

It's a rotary engine
 #37 
Old 2006-12-15, 00:20
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quote:Originally posted by Fanglekai:

It's a rotary engine



A Wankel no less :P
 #38 
Old 2006-12-15, 00:31
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quote:Originally posted by Euda:

Muscles aren't what's cool now. Apparently, now girls seem to want guys that are heroin chic.



I don't like that look at all. It doesn't both me but if I wanted a nice body on the guy it would be the arms and the chest on a tall guy.
 #39 
Old 2006-12-15, 02:07
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I like the ab's theyre nice.

I also like mens hands...if they dont have the right hands then forget it
 #40 
Old 2006-12-15, 02:50
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My current gf is into thin guys, which is good for me because I have a hard time bulking up, It is almost impossible for me to maintain muscle once i have it, even if I keep a strict workout regiment. Oddly enough, sometimes she and I will work out together and 3 or so days later I can see that she has made gains that I was unable to. Strage, eh?
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Old 2006-12-15, 03:08
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I'd go back to the gym, but it'd just feel weird having to take a cigarette break halfway through your workout. I don't like the gym much anyway. I lift at home, and swim 2-3 times a week. I know, I know, swimming and smoking don't mix, but I can't help it, I love two very opposite activities. I've got a pretty good build, but because I'm 6'3 with a high metabolism (and I don't eat enough), I look a lot less muscly(sp?) than I am. That an years of karate have given made me more flexible and fit.

Don't know why I'm talking about myself, must be the narcissism.

On girls though, I prefer slim to slightly chubby girls. I think it's cute and sometimes very sexy when a girl feels soft to the touch. I'm not talking about "MAN THE HARPOON" fat, but certain girls look better with some meat on them. Too skinny is a turnoff, as is muscle.

I don't really check out men, but I suppose I want to be a bit more muscly. I'm 180 now and I'd like to be about 210-ish. I guess that's what I find attractive in men, but confidence and charisma is way more important.
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Old 2006-12-15, 03:08
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Every lady I've been with, or has expressed interest, has commented on my stomach. I think there's something about the lines leading up from the crotch over the thighs. Does that make sense? What I'm talking about is the lines that kind of make a V a little lower than my belt line.
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Old 2006-12-15, 03:11
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Haha, I'm a mix of heroin chic and muscular. I like it.
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Old 2006-12-15, 03:31
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quote:Originally posted by Rizzo in a box:

Haha, I'm a mix of heroin chic and muscular. I like it.

I can't picture it. Isn't heroin chic the opposite of being muscular? I always thought it meant being really skinny, pale, and generally looking malnutritioned. At least that's how the 'heroin chic' models looked during the '90s of my youth...Kate Moss, etc.

[This message has been edited by deadteenager (edited 12-15-2006).]
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Old 2006-12-15, 03:53
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quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

What I'm talking about is the lines that kind of make a V a little lower than my belt line.

They're called your obliques. I had a crazy pair since puberty. Obliques, too often, are skipped in a full body workout.
 #46 
Old 2006-12-15, 04:30
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Bums, nice, tight little bums.
 #47 
Old 2006-12-15, 06:08
lauren7249 lauren7249 is offline
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i really shouldn't have posted in this thread.
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Old 2006-12-15, 10:27
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quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

Originally posted by wires:



That kind of devotion to constantly working on your body shows a streak of vanity which is offputting.

I am completely devoted to working on my body. In fact, I am completely devoted to working on every part of myself I can. I work out, I run, I use facial creams, conditioner, the whole shebang. Not because I really care for myself, but because I used to be a skinny loser and I want my girlfriend to have a boyfriend she can be proud of...

And now I find out it might all be for nothing.

It's not for nothing, as long as you're not a wanker about it.
 #49 
Old 2006-12-15, 12:28
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quote:Originally posted by Demoiselle:

A slightly defined stomach doesn't hurt either. None of that over-pumped bodybuilder crap though. I like a little bit of soft to poke at.
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Old 2006-12-15, 21:26
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quote:Originally posted by Rizzo in a box:

Haha, I'm a mix of heroin chic and muscular. I like it.

Doesn't really matter since you are one annoying cunt.
 #51 
Old 2006-12-15, 23:35
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yeh the "V" lines...ive got those but i want them to stand out more,how the fuck do i do it?
 #52 
Old 2006-12-15, 23:45
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quote:Originally posted by lauren7249:

i really shouldn't have posted in this thread.

Living in a world of regret huh?
 #53 
Old 2006-12-16, 00:43
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i dont work out not to get liek buff and shit, but exercising and working out also sends more of the horomones that make you happy to the brain resulting in a good mood.



(EDIT: grammer)

[This message has been edited by Arcanepr0n (edited 12-16-2006).]
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Old 2006-12-16, 00:55
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I don't like muscles, there's something about them that just looks weird if they're TOO pronounced like abs or something, i like my flat stomach with pronounced "V" lines arigato!
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Old 2006-12-16, 02:53
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quote:Originally posted by Sick_Boy:

I like my boyfriend's muscular arms and thighs. They're just so big and sexy. But overall I don't like really muscly guys. I like my men to have a bit of pudge.

marry me?
 #56 
Old 2006-12-16, 03:00
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Hmmm..

Lean with a bit of visible muscle = sexy as hell.

:3
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Old 2006-12-16, 03:31
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I'm 6,3 230 lbs I got a 36 waist a 45 inch chest (I measured around, just under the armpits) shoulders are HUGE. 12 inch forearms 15 in biceps 18 inch calves 24 inch thighs and 13 inch feet. I measured it all right now. Except my fish.... the belt i was using wasn't big enough. Kay I have a moderate amount of "padding" on me, I've been told I look like The big guy (Jethro) off of Beverly hill billies. so... ladies..... whats your opinion.
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Old 2006-12-16, 03:42
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quote:Originally posted by arquin:

They're called your obliques. I had a crazy pair since puberty. Obliques, too often, are skipped in a full body workout.

Yea, those are sexy. I pretty much like lean, not "buff" guys. I like to see muscle definition, especially in the chest and ab area.



[This message has been edited by ThePhoenix (edited 12-16-2006).]
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Old 2006-12-16, 05:23
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I was gonna go work out more over the holidays.. I kind of have a light rugby player shape, but was thinking of going boxing and stuff to get kind of lean, mean and fighting machine ish.
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Old 2006-12-16, 06:14
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quote:Originally posted by Doug_Mackenzie_eh:

I'm 6,3 230 lbs I got a 36 waist a 45 inch chest (I measured around, just under the armpits) shoulders are HUGE. 12 inch forearms 15 in biceps 18 inch calves 24 inch thighs and 13 inch feet. I measured it all right now. Except my fish.... the belt i was using wasn't big enough. Kay I have a moderate amount of "padding" on me, I've been told I look like The big guy (Jethro) off of Beverly hill billies. so... ladies..... whats your opinion.



YOu're overweight, balding, smelly, wear glases, and posting this from your shitty, dimly-lit basement.
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Old 2006-12-16, 06:51
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quote:Originally posted by ultra18:

yeh the "V" lines...ive got those but i want them to stand out more,how the fuck do i do it?

Do crunches, but instead of going directly up, lean towards one knee. Then the other. That'll work out your obliques.

Also, doing oblique crunches on a excersise ball work really well.

I'm not certain about this one, but I think if you lie down on your back and lift your legs slightly off the floor, that works out lower abs/obliques.

Do this and you'll have a sextastic body.
 #62 
Old 2006-12-16, 06:53
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get pecs and wear a tight t-shirt, that would look pretty hot. i'd be all over a guy like that
 #63 
Old 2006-12-16, 07:02
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hmm...so you ladies are basically saying a dude with a body like this guy? >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1518283189780155505&q=punch+madness&hl=en

lean with muscle yet a little pudge...hmm..
 #64 
Old 2006-12-16, 14:51
Doug_Mackenzie_eh Doug_Mackenzie_eh is offline
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"YOu're overweight, balding, smelly, wear

glases, and posting this from your shitty,

dimly-lit basement."

Nope. 17 year old Canadian Farm Boy from small town Saskatchewan who has a busted leg cuz he got mauled by an irate cow. (I was trying to tag her calf.)
 #65 
Old 2006-12-16, 19:12
Doug_Mackenzie_eh Doug_Mackenzie_eh is offline
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oh ya. No glasses. If you want to say this directly to me I would greatly appreciate the chance to smear your brains across the pavement. Rschwark@hotmail.com gimme a shout.

Doug
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Old 2006-12-16, 20:15
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quote:Originally posted by TruthWielder:

hmm...so you ladies are basically saying a dude with a body like this guy? >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1518283189780155505&q=punch+madness&hl=en (http: //video.go ogle.com/v ideoplay?d ocid=-1518 2831897801 55505&q=pu nch+madnes s&hl=en)

lean with muscle yet a little pudge...hmm..

Except that guy is a fag, and has no fucking idea how to either box, or shadowbox. If that's you, kill yourself after cutting off that fucking fag-tail.
 
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