Man, I haven't posted here forever. I'm an 18-year-old male. My girlfriend of 2 1/2 months has lots of great qualities, but I've recently discovered that she considers herself "a little racist". She has at a time said that most blacks are criminals, then changed her mind and said that most criminals are black. In addition, she believes that blacks should blame themselves for slavery because there were some black slave-dealers in Africa who sold their own people into slavery. It pretty much made me sick. She has basically expressed that she's not going to change (and I don't expect her to), and went so far as asking me why I'm with her if I'm so disgusted by her racist beliefs. This didn't make sense, as I never really knew that she was seriously racist until now, although now that I look back, I've jokingly called her racist before based on some statements and stories she's said. Some have told me outright to dump her, as they believe it is horrific, while others have said to see if her good qualities outweigh the bad ones. This would be a really tough judgement to make. My questions is: Should I break up with her based on her racist beliefs? I'm only 18, but I can't picture myself marrying or starting a family with a racist, and even if that type of thing isn't the first thing on my mind, I believe that's part of the point of dating. So should I "waste time" with someone who I would not seek a further relationship with, or should I end it and find someone else?

It would be real tough to break up with her, as she suffers from depression and I'd have to live with that on my hands, but at the same time I'd rather not feel hand-cuffed by the situation. She's also the first girl I've ever slept with, which makes it tough as well.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: I neglected to mention that we also discussed one of her teachers (she's a high school senior), and she thought that it was ok for her teacher to be racist because when the teacher was younger, her father was attacked by a few black men. Quite an unfortunate story, but the fact that she thinks it's ok to judge the many on the actions of a few troubled me. My girlfriend attributes a lot of her own racism to a time when she went to camp and there was a black girl who made fun of her.

[This message has been edited by PatChukwurah (edited 12-01-2006).]

If she's asking you why you are dealing with her racism, then she's asking for a breakup.

What a bitch, honestly, why be racist? What does it get done that benefits society. She doesn't know shit. And I'm not even African/American.

I think she needs to educate herself with what really happened during history so she can decide to think for herself, not base her thoughts on bullshit, I hate people who are racists, it's not a trait to have. I think with truth, will find a way to educate and understand what really happened.

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I think that's something worth breaking up over, yes. It's hard to be in a relationship with someone who you disagree with that strongly on such a sensitive issue. I know I could never be with a racist. If you think you can live with it, then fine, if that works for you then go ahead. I would dump her though if I was in your position.

Keep having sex with her but withdraw emotional investment. Cheat on her with another girl.

quote:Originally posted by Trapped In A Box:

Cheat on her with a black girl.

Fixed.

quote:Originally posted by PatChukwurah:

In addition, she believes that blacks should blame themselves for slavery because there were some black slave-dealers in Africa who sold their own people into slavery.

It's not an area of history I am very up on but as far as i am aware the scholary consensus is that most slaves were captured and sold by local african 'kings', not just "some black slave-dealers".

As to the question ,it really depends on how important it is to you. Your girlfriend seems happy enough with her views.

Tell her that your part black.

You're 18, it's more likely that you'll break up with her sooner for other reasons than racism.

Fucking nigger.

























Seriously though, If shes that immature it was never gonna last. Racism is so fucking dumb.

Me and her would get alone well lol.

I see no reason not to have an open dialogue with her about slavery. Expose her to information regarding the history of slavery, because it was not restricted to the enslavement of black peoples.

Here's a link for you to mull over:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery



Maybe you need to open up a discussion, instead of running away from it?

Unless you're black stop being a little bitch about it and tell her how you feel.

she is a hateful person. leave her, people like that deserve nothing.

Oh please. She's not going around lynching people, and burning crosses and shit. And do you really blame here? I don't know where you live, but I live in South Florida. And unfortunately, there are a bunch of ignorant, loud, rude, disgusting fucking niggers around here.

I'm not racist. I grew up in the ghetto. The first friends I ever had were black. I went to black schools around black music, fashion, and family. I've probably had more minority friends (and identified with them better) than white BUT having all that exposure also lead me to experience the downfall of the black race.

I've been talked to in ways that should be illegal. My neighborhood's been robbed and shot up and generally becoming worse because of instead of protecting their neighborhood, they rape it.

There are a lot of cool ass black people, but there are also those who are not. So the fact that I call them niggers because they are acting like niggers could be misconstrued as me being racist. But who's really behaving wrong in that situation? Me for being uncomfortable, not being able to hear the movie, having to slam on my brakes because they jump out into the street and just mosie across? I don't think so. It's their fault. If they don't want to be perceived as niggers, they should act like human beings.

EDit: Oh, and by the way. This "nigger" problem seems to be only in America.

[This message has been edited by MrMojoRisin (edited 12-01-2006).]

You need to discuss with her some things:

Just because there are a lot of black criminals doesn't make them all bad.

Just because slavery was started by some Africans, doesn't mean it was right or that the people who were born it brought upon themselves for being of a race.

Just because she's a depressed chick shouldn't mean you have to feel tied down to her.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

It's not an area of history I am very up on but as far as i am aware the scholary consensus is that most slaves were captured and sold by local african 'kings', not just "some black slave-dealers".

As to the question ,it really depends on how important it is to you. Your girlfriend seems happy enough with her views.

Opposing tribes would fight, then the victors would round up the enemies, tie them together and take them to the ships to be sold. Greedy blacks who weren't fighters also would kidnap people at random, usually kids when their parents were off working the fields.

Break up with her. You dont deserve her.

SilentMind is right. So what if she's racist? Big fucking deal. You disagree in other areas too, I assume? Are you going to break up with her because she doesn't like the same brand of cereal you do or something? Being a racist doesn't automatically make you a horrible person, though there are many horrible racists. She probably thinks she has good reasons for her belief; why not discuss it with her? Jesus, you'd think she'd admitted to being a kiddy-diddler or something...

Like MrMojoRisin said, it's not like she's going around lynching people. If something so small bothers you so much, break up with her and let her find a better mate.

Edit: Although, if she doesn't even want to discuss it... well, that's different. Can't see a good relationship with such a closed mind.



[This message has been edited by Twisted_Ferret (edited 12-01-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:

SilentMind is right. So what if she's racist? Big fucking deal. You disagree in other areas too, I assume? Are you going to break up with her because she doesn't like the same brand of cereal you do or something? Being a racist doesn't automatically make you a horrible person, though there are many horrible racists. She probably thinks she has good reasons for her belief; why not discuss it with her? Jesus, you'd think she'd admitted to being a kiddy-diddler or something...

Like MrMojoRisin said, it's not like she's going around lynching people. If something so small bothers you so much, break up with her and let her find a better mate.

Edit: Although, if she doesn't even want to discuss it... well, that's different. Can't see a good relationship with such a closed mind.



Always take the words right out of my mouth.

OP:It took you 2 1/2 months to come to this problem, it doesn't seem like a prominant personality trait. Discuss it with her, maturely and logicly. Use it as a learning expirience. You'll always have differences.

quote:Originally posted by PatChukwurah:

Man, I haven't posted here forever. I'm an 18-year-old male. My girlfriend of 2 1/2 months has lots of great qualities, but I've recently discovered that she considers herself "a little racist". She has at a time said that most blacks are criminals, then changed her mind and said that most criminals are black. In addition, she believes that blacks should blame themselves for slavery because there were some black slave-dealers in Africa who sold their own people into slavery. It pretty much made me sick.

These things are true:

There's a disproportionate number of blacks in the US prison system compared to their population number.

African kings sold their own people into slavery.

So how is she racist? These things are historically and statistically accurate.

Quit thinking about starting a family. You're 18, and you have a lot of learning to do.

Stay with her until you're sure there's someone else you can get with. Then use the racism issue to break up with her.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

Oh please. She's not going around lynching people, and burning crosses and shit. And do you really blame here? I don't know where you live, but I live in South Florida. And unfortunately, there are a bunch of ignorant, loud, rude, disgusting fucking niggers around here.

I'm not racist. I grew up in the ghetto. The first friends I ever had were black. I went to black schools around black music, fashion, and family. I've probably had more minority friends (and identified with them better) than white BUT having all that exposure also lead me to experience the downfall of the black race.

I've been talked to in ways that should be illegal. My neighborhood's been robbed and shot up and generally becoming worse because of instead of protecting their neighborhood, they rape it.

There are a lot of cool ass black people, but there are also those who are not. So the fact that I call them niggers because they are acting like niggers could be misconstrued as me being racist. But who's really behaving wrong in that situation? Me for being uncomfortable, not being able to hear the movie, having to slam on my brakes because they jump out into the street and just mosie across? I don't think so. It's their fault. If they don't want to be perceived as niggers, they should act like human beings.

EDit: Oh, and by the way. This "nigger" problem seems to be only in America.

I agree with this guy there are a lot of cool black people, but there are also bunch of fucking black people who think there soooo fucking 'hard' and are always fucking with people.When you meet one of these fucking monkeys and they get in your face and act all thugged out, you'll get racist in a heartbeat. P.S. what part of south florida you from Mr.MojoRisin ,im down in homestead.

Ft Lauderdale.

(Raised in Lauderhill.)

Im not saying I condon racism in any way but I don't see a big problem. I mean shes not really being that racist. You said she changed her thought that instead of lot of blacks being criminals that there are a lot of criminals that are black. Which isn't nessicarily false, so its not really a racist remark more of a statment. And as for the blacks should quit bitching about slavery she does bring up a good point, now slavery is horrible and wrong but she does bring up a good point IT WAS BLACK people that put black people into slavery, WHITe people just the ones at the end of the vicious cycle started by the BLACK TRIBES. Like i said slavery is bad but then again pretty much every race has been enslaved at some point even us crackers way back in the day.

And as for black people in general I know plenty of great black people like my sister in law and all. But then again there are a lot of the "NIGGERS". By niggers I mean the dumb asshole wanta be thugs that think all the thug shit is cool and that by dressing like 50cent that makes them cool and a gangsta and gives them the right to be an asshole and treat women like shit. And you know what like someone said when one of them gets in your face trying to act all hard and scare you you do get pretty racist REAL quick. I used to sell drugs and someone jacked some from my car during school I suspected this big fat nigger because someone had said it might have been him. So I was obviously saying how I was going to fuck his shit up and thought it was him. One day he confronted me saying it wasn't him. He got in my face three times my size saying "yo bitch if it had been me id have put that pistol to yo dome and jacked u fo real dawg i dont care about ur little shit nigga i move more Weed then YOU WEIGH bitch better quit saying it was me cuz i would have put that pistol to yo head if I was gonna jack you mother fucka" Now this coming from the bitch that has to walk to school and should have graduated a year or two ago. Point is niggers are dumb, he didn't scare me if anything it just made me laugh(which i kind of did), and tell him that when I find out who it is Im going to fuck them up and if it was him im going break his fucking legs, long story short niggers can be dumb and think they are bad ass and not cool. Now like I said I dont hate black people just dislike the ANYONe that tries to act like that, whether they are white, mexican black or chinese or canadian.

Big deal she has a little bit of racism. Most people do, its sad but true I used to try to get away from any racist people what so ever but then I realized I wouldnt be talking to pretty much EVERYONe because everyone has a little bit of racism in them pretty much its a very sad fact but almost everyone has some racism in them. And like someone said before its not like shes saying you two should go lynch some blacks, and set some crosses on fire. Plus you probably wont be together forever so fuck her literally jsut keep on fucking and then find someone better.

quote:Originally posted by JabrWockySuprFly:

I agree with this guy there are a lot of cool black people, but there are also bunch of fucking black people who think there soooo fucking 'hard' and are always fucking with people.When you meet one of these fucking monkeys and they get in your face and act all thugged out, you'll get racist in a heartbeat. P.S. what part of south florida you from Mr.MojoRisin ,im down in homestead.[/B]

Hah, I passed through there this past weekend on the wey to Key Largo. No offense to you but I couldn't decide which place was more of a shit hole than the other.

quote:Originally posted by MrMojoRisin:

[b]Oh please. She's not going around lynching people, and burning crosses and shit. And do you really blame here? I don't know where you live, but I live in South Florida. And unfortunately, there are a bunch of ignorant, loud, rude, disgusting fucking niggers around here.

I'm not racist. I grew up in the ghetto. The first friends I ever had were black. I went to black schools around black music, fashion, and family. I've probably had more minority friends (and identified with them better) than white BUT having all that exposure also lead me to experience the downfall of the black race.

I've been talked to in ways that should be illegal. My neighborhood's been robbed and shot up and generally becoming worse because of instead of protecting their neighborhood, they rape it.

There are a lot of cool ass black people, but there are also those who are not. So the fact that I call them niggers because they are acting like niggers could be misconstrued as me being racist. But who's really behaving wrong in that situation? Me for being uncomfortable, not being able to hear the movie, having to slam on my brakes because they jump out into the street and just mosie across? I don't think so. It's their fault. If they don't want to be perceived as niggers, they should act like human beings.

EDit: Oh, and by the way. This "nigger" problem seems to be only in America.



I agree with Mojo 103%. I live in Atlanta. It's pretty much the same way around here. There are respectable African Americans and there are niggers. In the same way there are white trash rednecks and respectable white people. There are chinks and there are respectable Asian Americans. It works for everyone. If you act like a sub-human, you get a dirty label.

As for the OP I would suggest having a real conversation with her about it instead of just mentioning it here and there. Obviously it's something that is bothering you a lot if you're considering ending the relationship. If she keeps her beliefs to herself, though, then why does it bother you so much? It's up to you whether her good attributes outweigh the bad ones.. just remember there are a few million girls to choose from out there should you decide to end it.

your girl friend is racist THATS A GOOD THING YOU IDIOT that means shes not going to let her self be plowed by jamal and tyrone in the bathroom of some club, YOU ANUS

quote:Originally posted by PatChukwurah:

My girlfriend of 2 1/2 months

Get an older girlfriend, turbopedo.



[This message has been edited by deathtojack (edited 12-01-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by deathtojack:

Get an older girlfriend, turbopedo.





I can't believe i missed that one!

Hm...

Well, like MojoRisin said, she's not an active racist. I'm sure everyone's a little racist somewhere. That's pretty much natural human instinct. If something causes you pain or displeasure, you're going to stop liking that thing. It's the fault of human minds that white people can sometime perceive black people as a group and the vice versa as well.

I'm racist, but I don't hate on any one group. Since people like to group together, and nationality is as big a thing of pride as one's alma mater, disliking State of Columbia really isn't anything but worse than disliking all arabs and black people.

I'm straying, though.

If she loves you enough to date you, then she can't be THAT racist. Unless you're not black. In which case you can just deal with it and let her learn the hard way. She will eventually, I'm sure.

Personally, I think that's a stupid reason to break up with somebody or even get mad at them. Would you break up with her if she hated all action movies? I know one would argue that racism is "completely different" but, to me, it's just another opinion. Being racist is just a way of thinking, about one particular thing, that is simply different than yours. That doesn't make it wrong. She doesn't get mad or frustrated with you for not being racist does she? It's narrow-minded to call racism/racist people as a whole, or any other way of being "good" or "bad". That's like flogging someone as punishment for being too violent.

I fail to see the problem with what she said. She's correct in her two out of three of her statements. And she's not treating black people any different as far as I can tell from your posts, so technically she's not being racist at all. If she won't stand beside or talk to black peole just because they're black, then there's a problem. If she starts randomly starts slaughtering black people, then there is a problem. But this is nothing, since she hasn't done anything wrong.

quote:Originally posted by Dextros:

If she starts randomly starts slaughtering black people,[/i].

HAWT !!!!!!

quote:Originally posted by PatChukwurah:

She has at a time said that most blacks are criminals, then changed her mind and said that most criminals are black.

http://www.amren.com/newstore/cart.php?page=color_of_crime

quote:Originally posted by PatChukwurah:

In addition, she believes that blacks should blame themselves for slavery because there were some black slave-dealers in Africa who sold their own people into slavery.

Erm, I don't see why slaves should blame themselves...but what she says about black slave owners is generally true. Almost every race has had large numbers of people enslaved at one point (white enslavement was common in very early American history). In addition, many freed slaves in the Americas then went on to buy their own slaves.

Slavery today still occurs in africa. Bottom line is: slavery is horrible, and I don't condone it, but it the history of the slavery has been twisted and spun during to current political fads.

Why is racism such a sensitive issue? People think all sorts of worthless shit makes them special...their religion, their nationality, their color, their social class, their hair color, their weight, their athleticism, their car, their house, their friends, their knowledge of drugs, their sexual prowess, and so on.

A relationship is a relationship; you're looking to love and to be loved, right? Then what's the deal with giving a shit about a personal belief of hers that can't do a damned thing to take away from her being a human being capable of loving and being loved?

And by the way, you can be racist without disliking or even hating other races: it's the application of a stereotype to a race of people, nothing less or more.

ur a dumbass if u dump her. do you knwo how har dit is to find a ncie white girl who hates niggers?

^cluntoris^

quote:Originally posted by cluntoris:

ur a dumbass if u dump her. do you knwo how har dit is to find a ncie white girl who hates niggers?

^cluntoris^

I can't tell because I don't know you, but are you TRYING to get people to hate you?

Your breaking up with her because shes racist? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THAT??

are you one of those fucking pro-negroe activists?

AT LEAST YOU KNOW SHES NOT BEING PUSSY PLOWED BY JAMAL AND TYRONE IN THE BACK OF A CHEVY

you fucking idiot DONT DUMP HER your next girlfriend will just cheat on you with jamal and give you tyrones herpes

RACISTS ARE GOOD YOU DUMBASS

i would kill for a racist girl.

i dont have to try and get people to hate me,it happens naturally, its a gift.

^cluntoris^

Please... PLEASE cheat on her with a black girl.. it will be perfect..

but hella white bitches say stupid rascist shit sometimes without even realizing it.. fuck em

I came to the ironic conclusion in this thread that most people are racsist against racsists. LAWL.

quote:Originally posted by bain surgeon:

I came to the ironic conclusion in this thread that most people are racsist against racsists. LAWL.

I <3 RACISTS

quote:Originally posted by bain surgeon:

I came to the ironic conclusion in this thread that most people are racsist against racsists. LAWL.

That'd actually be 'intolerant towards racists'.

Racism has nothing to do with tolerance. I'm not racist, but you'll see me tell an asshole, whether they're Black, Chinese, Maori, White, etc "Go fuck yourself, your mother, your ancestors, and your child-molesting uncle with a stick," faster than most anyone racist against the individuals heritage would.

Why does saying something terribly offensive to a person of another race not make me racist? Because I say it since they are an asshole, not because of their race! I don't base any personal judgments of someone on their race. Nor do I think any race superior/inferior. However, this does not prevent me from calling an asshole on their shit.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

whether they're Black, Chinese, Maori, White, etc

How many Maori are in America, exactly? =0

quote:Originally posted by rabbitweed:

How many Maori are in America, exactly? =0

I do a pretty good job of keeping those worthless fucks out of my country.

quote:Originally posted by Dextros:

I fail to see the problem with what she said. She's correct in her two out of three of her statements. And she's not treating black people any different as far as I can tell from your posts, so technically she's not being racist at all. If she won't stand beside or talk to black peole just because they're black, then there's a problem. If she starts randomly starts slaughtering black people, then there is a problem. But this is nothing, since she hasn't done anything wrong.

I agree with this guy, kind of...She might be right, but rather than living with those beliefs SOLELY, I think that one should try to analyze why this IS the reality of our country. Sounds to me like she's just repeating what she heard from her parents or something. I say explain to her how you feel , and figure out if she is making an educated statement of her views on race in America, or if she is merely being dumb. Then decide from there.

quote:Originally posted by NiGhT PrOwLeR:

your girl friend is racist THATS A GOOD THING YOU IDIOT that means shes not going to let her self be plowed by jamal and tyrone in the bathroom of some club, YOU ANUS

That man is so right, you are indeed blessed.

Though if you feel you must do something, try and become more racist yourself, it could be a bonding experience for you.

She's an extrinsic racist, and therefore it is possible to chang eher mind (though she may not believe it will change), and has ideas in her mind justifying it that can be refuted with fact. If she believed what she believed without having anyjustification (right or wrong) in her mind, then her mind probably wouldn't change. If she makes you happy, then don't break up with her.

Sounds like her and I have a lot in common. If you decide to break up with her, give me her number.

quote:Originally posted by PatChukwurah:

She has at a time said that most blacks are criminals, then changed her mind and said that most criminals are black.

What the hell is wrong with that? It's true! Stop being such a pollitically correct homo.

Also, by the sounds of things shes not even that racist. Get over it

quote:Originally posted by MilkAndInnards:

What the hell is wrong with that? It's true! Stop being such a pollitically correct homo.

It might be true, but that's only because the states are quicker to prosecute negros. Sorry, colored-people.

When Terrell runs into a gas station with nylons over his face, demands the $80 in the register, and proceeds to empty the magazine into the store..

Yeah, I'd be quick to prosecute too. Poverty my ass. He should have used the $200 to buy his stolen gat for food/bills/whatever or been working overtime.

OP, this thread is useless without pics!

Well I can't say for sure but it is kind of true more likly to get prosecuted if you are not white. But then again the majority of the minoritys ive met known have a LOT less trouble with breaking the law then my white friends. Considering that 99% of the people I dealt with when it came to drug dealing were either black or mexican might show this as a trend that the minorities do more crime. Now when I talk about the people I dealt with I was talking about the guys I rolled with that sold me the stuff, their friends that dealt as well, robbed places, and lots of other illegal activities only one other person was white besides myself. As far as customers go it was about 70% minorites(most being mexican then again its AZ) and the rest were white so in the purchasing of drugs whites got a little more up there but still mostly minorities.

Where as my white friends such like that were a bit more non criminal minded aside from underage drinking and the like. Like one girl I dated and sold weed to broke up with me because she was afraid I might get caught and something else quite funny shit. Point though white friends i have are not very criminal activity prone. And then you might say what about you? Your white you sold drugs and did other illegal activities. Well of coruse there are white people that commit crimes and all but its less then the minorities.

Which does prove on a minor account that its not jsut because people racial profile. And then again can you blame the cops for racial profiling? A lot of the people that are minorites that try to act like 50cent and who ever are dressing and trying to act like little faggot wanna be drug dealers. I mean if you put a guy that looks like a fucking rapper in front of me or a white guy in a preppy ass kakis and a polo im going to suspect the rapper looking guy of being a potential crimanl before I suspect the faggot prep white guy.

I wouldnt dump a girl for that reason. If you know you're not going to marry her, but you have a good time with her now, then stay with her. you're 18 and will go through many, many girls before you do settle down...so stay with a girl until you no longer enjoy her company.

a lot more people in this country are rascist than you might think, but being 'politically correct' has become such a big issue since the late 90's that no one will even hint to having rascist thoughts, even though they do. At least she is confident enough to voice her thoughts instead of being a closet rascist.

I'd say leave her if you have a lot of minority friends and it would create a conflict of interest between her and them. because ho's come and go...real friends are around much longer and are not worth alienating over a girl.