Let me start off by saying that I feel like a fucking faggot for asking for advice on an internet forum. I should be able to handle this myself, but for some reason I can't. So here goes, and don't let the previous sentences discourage you from reading and offering advice.

EDIT : I didnt realize this was so long when I was typing it, but please read and comment/advise.

Anyway, I'm a sophomore in high school, and theres this girl I like. I've liked her since maybe the beginning of freshman year, but haven't really said anything to her until mid-year. I talked with her a little, nothing more than normal friendly stuff, and it wasnt that often either. I eventually asked her out on aim, since I was too much of a pussy to talk to her in person. She didn't respond, so I was like O well fuck it.

Then later in the year me and some kid (Chris) started hanging out, whose girlfriend (Sara) happens to be very good friends with the girl I like. Meanwhile, I was getting tired of being alone since not many girls talk to me and I thought I still had a chance with the girl. So I brought her up, and Chris says that I should try it again since me and her are very similar - not much attention from the opposite sex, and completely sexually unexperienced. He said he'll ask Sara what she thinks of it, and she said that I should try it. I really don't remember what happened at that point, since it was atleast six months ago. Im pretty sure i tried talking to her again. I rarely talked to her in person since I was a bitch, and always talked to her on aim, which was still rare. I know Chris tried talking with her and tried to coerce her into giving me a shot, and he kept saying that she seems like she would, but I dont remember exactly what happened and I eventually ended up asking her out (on aim, of course) and getting either no response or rejection. Then came summer, and I haven't seen her all summer, so I kind of forgot about her.

Next schoolyear however (this current year) she is in two of my classes. At first, I try to ignore her, but of course, my love (not sure what to call it) for her reappears. Somehow I end up talking to Chris again, who is still going out with Sara. The subject of the girl is broached, and he still insists I should keep trying. At first I wasn't too sure, so I started talking to her on aim (rarely and was boring as fuck and probably made it worse). CHris and Sara kept trying to talk to her at this point, and I'm not sure what happened - its unimportant. Eventually, I asked her out on aim again, and got no response.

The cycle of Chris and Sara talking to her and me asking her out on aim continued for about 2-3 times, until like 2-3 weeks ago. I know this is gonna make me sound like a huge bitch, but i finally talked to her in school for more than Hey. I then started having some aim convos with her that were more than 5 lines long. Now, when Chris and Sara talk to her, the girl keeps saying I dont know, i dont know. Oh, and like a week before this happened, i talked to her in school and asked her about what she thought about what CHris was saying, and she said what about it, and i said well would you wanna go out sometime, and she said yea i guess maybe we can hang out, and i said aight ill talk to you later, and she said aight ill talk to you on aim. (Sorry im getting lazy with puncuation.) So then that weekend i talked to her and she either didnt respond or said Im busy sorry, forgot which one. So lately Ive been having decent convos with her, but still am pretty much a bitch for still being afraid of talking to her in person. Ive managed to have a few small conversations with her, but nothing more than a few sentences exchanged. Before Thanksgiving break, she told Chris that she might want to do something with me, Chris, Sara, and her. Oh, and let me add, Sara really wants me and her to get together, im not exactly sure why. So I end up asking her out on wednesday after a good convo (on aim) and of course she says no im hanging out with my sister before she goes back to college sorry.

Now chris and sara keep telling me I should pursue this, and deep down inside of me I want to, but I honestly have no idea what the fuck to do. Sara and CHris keep saying that eventually if I keep going at it she'll go out with me, but I really dont want her to go out with me just because shes being pressured and doesnt even want to be with me. I know it would seem logical to grow some balls and talk to her in person, but despite being in two classes with her, I never get a good chance (probably just lying to myself). Also, i've tried many times since this school year started to forget about her, but its very hard. I really want to, but i just keep coming back to liking her. I think i like her more than just "yo that girls hot i wanna bang her". Im not looking for a sexual relationship; if our relationship lacked intimacy, i wouldnt mind, as long as i was with her. Anything sexual comes after being with her and spending time with her and getting to know her better.Shes far from the hottest girl in the grade, and very shy and some people think shes a little weird. I dont know why I still like her, probably because its more than just a little highschool "i like you" thing. I dont think this is good, but sometimes I feel that I need her to make my life mean anything, im just all depressed and whiney and moaney whenever I think about it too much, which has been happening A LOT since thanksiving. Like i really know this is unhealthy, but i cant help it at all.

For some reason I feel better that I've typed this, but also weak that I cant handle my own shit. But I totally have no idea what the fuck to do, and comments/advice would be greatly appreciated. For some reason I feel better that I've typed this, but also weak that I cant handle my own shit.

Thanks

Steve



[This message has been edited by greesh (edited 11-28-2006).]

hi steve. sorry, but this is going to be short and to the point. she isn't interested.

I read all of that.

quote:Originally posted by lauren7249:

hi steve. sorry, but this is going to be short and to the point. she isn't interested.

Yea i keep thinking that, but chris and sara keep telling me to pursue it, and i really dont want to give up after putting so much time/energy/heart into this

quote:Originally posted by SilentMind:

I read all of that.

And what do you think?



[This message has been edited by greesh (edited 11-28-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by greesh:

And what do you think?



lol, I was just kidding.

EDIT: Summary, maybe?

[This message has been edited by SilentMind (edited 11-28-2006).]

it's really just a crush that has turned into a bit of an obsession, due to the fact that you think you should be able to get her, due to the fact that she isn't that hot and is a little "weird." ironically. i had these in high school, middle school, elementary school...they're nothing. complete bs. hormones. whatever. you guys are clearly not a match. find a different hobby.

quote:Originally posted by lauren7249:

it's really just a crush that has turned into a bit of an obsession, due to the fact that you think you should be able to get her, due to the fact that she isn't that hot and is a little "weird." ironically. i had these in high school, middle school, elementary school...they're nothing. complete bs. hormones. whatever. you guys are clearly not a match. find a different hobby.

Yeah i think you pretty much hit it. Thanks. Imma go sleep now and check for replies tomorrow

[This message has been edited by greesh (edited 11-28-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by greesh:

Yea i keep thinking that, but chris and sara keep telling me to pursue it, and i really dont want to give up after putting so much time/energy/heart into this



Because they're your friends and don't want to hurt you.

Realistically, they're not doing you any favors.

You're young, go find some new pretty tail to chase.

i think they're just telling you to go after it because sara is a typical girl and likes playing matchmaker, and chris is a typical boyfriend and sees no reason to bite the hand that jerks him off.

quote:Originally posted by lauren7249:

hi steve. sorry, but this is going to be short and to the point. she isn't interested.

Just let it go Steve....

Go to a party, get chris to come, get him to bring sara, and get her to invite that chick. Cause then you can get drunk, loosen up, and be in more of a relaxed situation to talk to her

quote:Originally posted by lauren7249:

chris is a typical boyfriend and sees no reason to bite the hand that jerks him off.

lauren, you have a gift for aphorisms.

quote:Originally posted by YouLookFourteen:

lauren, you have a gift for aphorisms.

haha, thank you .

AIM =/= Social life

I didnt' feel like reading everyones response so sorry if this is a repeat but if you're gonna keep trying either pick up the damn phone or do it in person, the worst that can happen is you get all this shit off your chest and either begin a relationship or move on

I read it all

You need to bite the fucking bullet, speak to her in person, you cant expect to win the girl on msn/aim. I know its fucking difficult but you need to show some confidence and strike up a conversation with her in person. Ask her questions, find out what shes passionate about, be individual. Just do something rather than nothing.

Michael

p.s. it might also help to think about what you could say until you get mroe comfortable with her (it will happen)

Yah, what the above posters said.

Dont get stuck in the "msn trap"(was it Jackketch who said this?)

Completely stop talking to her on msn and force yourself to interact with her in person instead.

Yeah, stop with that msn bullshit, that's for friends. Oh, and you say you don't wanne give up because you invested a lot of time in her, but don't forget that she also needs to invest in you if you want this to work. I didn't read your first post, but just wanting to add this, when I saw your second.

Really you're going to get alot of responses from guys suggesting you still have a chance because they're just like you, but trust me man, if this girl had any interest in you, by now, after all this pursuit and obvious interest you've shown her for 2 years, wouldn't she have given you the go ahead? She's just too timid to turn you down outright, which is what she really wants to do. Just leave her alone nigs.

Worst she can do is turn you down, and there's not going to be any social consequences because she's not going to make you look like an ass in front of the school, as your mutual friends are pushing it.

I say KEEP PURSUING IT and GET ONE GODDAMN DATE!

If after that date she isn't interested, screw it. But who knows, if you don't blow it you might just be able to catch her interest.

Sucks that you have classes with her though. It's hard to keep good conversations every day with someone in a class... i like girls to be in diff classes so we chill after school when we can talk about anything, and when its planned out so i can think of something to say.

After reading it all, I have concluded that probably becuase of her lack of experience she's scared to date a guy. (Happens)

Which is probably better then her hating you, pragmatically.

So really, if I were you i'd have to take the pressure off. You do this by not giving up, but my not screening her as your only girl, really. If you treated her like... A buddy, one of the dudes, i'm sure you'll notice a better bond between you.

Alright, thanks for the replies guys, I guess I'll just have to grow a sack and talk to her in person. If anyone else has something to contribute, though, I'll gladly listen

quote:Originally posted by Bean_Doodle:

Yah, what the above posters said.

Dont get stuck in the "msn trap"(was it Jackketch who said this?)

Completely stop talking to her on msn and force yourself to interact with her in person instead.

Woo! It's nice to know that your posts get read once in a while.

Treat her like shit, ignore her, pretend she doesn't exist.

She'll jump your bones.

quote:Originally posted by greesh:

Let me start off by saying that I feel like a fucking faggot for asking for advice on an internet forum. I should be able to handle this myself, but for some reason I can't. So here goes, and don't let the previous sentences discourage you from reading and offering advice.

EDIT : I didnt realize this was so long when I was typing it, but please read and comment/advise.

Anyway, I'm a sophomore in high school, and theres this girl I like. I've liked her since maybe the beginning of freshman year, but haven't really said anything to her until mid-year. I talked with her a little, nothing more than normal friendly stuff, and it wasnt that often either. I eventually asked her out on aim, since I was too much of a pussy to talk to her in person. She didn't respond, so I was like O well fuck it.

Then later in the year me and some kid (Chris) started hanging out, whose girlfriend (Sara) happens to be very good friends with the girl I like. Meanwhile, I was getting tired of being alone since not many girls talk to me and I thought I still had a chance with the girl. So I brought her up, and Chris says that I should try it again since me and her are very similar - not much attention from the opposite sex, and completely sexually unexperienced. He said he'll ask Sara what she thinks of it, and she said that I should try it. I really don't remember what happened at that point, since it was atleast six months ago. Im pretty sure i tried talking to her again. I rarely talked to her in person since I was a bitch, and always talked to her on aim, which was still rare. I know Chris tried talking with her and tried to coerce her into giving me a shot, and he kept saying that she seems like she would, but I dont remember exactly what happened and I eventually ended up asking her out (on aim, of course) and getting either no response or rejection. Then came summer, and I haven't seen her all summer, so I kind of forgot about her.

Next schoolyear however (this current year) she is in two of my classes. At first, I try to ignore her, but of course, my love (not sure what to call it) for her reappears. Somehow I end up talking to Chris again, who is still going out with Sara. The subject of the girl is broached, and he still insists I should keep trying. At first I wasn't too sure, so I started talking to her on aim (rarely and was boring as fuck and probably made it worse). CHris and Sara kept trying to talk to her at this point, and I'm not sure what happened - its unimportant. Eventually, I asked her out on aim again, and got no response.

The cycle of Chris and Sara talking to her and me asking her out on aim continued for about 2-3 times, until like 2-3 weeks ago. I know this is gonna make me sound like a huge bitch, but i finally talked to her in school for more than Hey. I then started having some aim convos with her that were more than 5 lines long. Now, when Chris and Sara talk to her, the girl keeps saying I dont know, i dont know. Oh, and like a week before this happened, i talked to her in school and asked her about what she thought about what CHris was saying, and she said what about it, and i said well would you wanna go out sometime, and she said yea i guess maybe we can hang out, and i said aight ill talk to you later, and she said aight ill talk to you on aim. (Sorry im getting lazy with puncuation.) So then that weekend i talked to her and she either didnt respond or said Im busy sorry, forgot which one. So lately Ive been having decent convos with her, but still am pretty much a bitch for still being afraid of talking to her in person. Ive managed to have a few small conversations with her, but nothing more than a few sentences exchanged. Before Thanksgiving break, she told Chris that she might want to do something with me, Chris, Sara, and her. Oh, and let me add, Sara really wants me and her to get together, im not exactly sure why. So I end up asking her out on wednesday after a good convo (on aim) and of course she says no im hanging out with my sister before she goes back to college sorry.

Now chris and sara keep telling me I should pursue this, and deep down inside of me I want to, but I honestly have no idea what the fuck to do. Sara and CHris keep saying that eventually if I keep going at it she'll go out with me, but I really dont want her to go out with me just because shes being pressured and doesnt even want to be with me. I know it would seem logical to grow some balls and talk to her in person, but despite being in two classes with her, I never get a good chance (probably just lying to myself). Also, i've tried many times since this school year started to forget about her, but its very hard. I really want to, but i just keep coming back to liking her. I think i like her more than just "yo that girls hot i wanna bang her". Im not looking for a sexual relationship; if our relationship lacked intimacy, i wouldnt mind, as long as i was with her. Anything sexual comes after being with her and spending time with her and getting to know her better.Shes far from the hottest girl in the grade, and very shy and some people think shes a little weird. I dont know why I still like her, probably because its more than just a little highschool "i like you" thing. I dont think this is good, but sometimes I feel that I need her to make my life mean anything, im just all depressed and whiney and moaney whenever I think about it too much, which has been happening A LOT since thanksiving. Like i really know this is unhealthy, but i cant help it at all.

For some reason I feel better that I've typed this, but also weak that I cant handle my own shit. But I totally have no idea what the fuck to do, and comments/advice would be greatly appreciated. For some reason I feel better that I've typed this, but also weak that I cant handle my own shit.

Thanks

Steve



faggot=piece of wood, or maybe your just a stupid bitch...hmmmm? #2 for me!

tell sara and chris to shut the hell up and leave her alone.

ask her yourself, in person.

I wouldnt say shes not interested yet, mainly because YOU havent talked to her yourself!! Everything you hear is coming from those two goons.

This is a lose/lose situation. Asking someone out who you don't already have a relationship with has a very low success rate because their answer is based upon a) your looks, and in high school b) your popularity (in High School this is probably a larger factor in her decision.)

So whilst you will never get the girl without a ballsy in-person proposal, you will probably never get the girl with one.

On that note, Lauren whats your msn?

quote:Originally posted by I-RapeTards:

Woo! It's nice to know that your posts get read once in a while.

sorry, i guess your name got sort of repressed in my innocent little mind.

edit: oh, and personally i dont think shes interested, if she was she would've picked up on your subtle hints by now. even if you havent actually talked to her.

been there...stalked that...

[This message has been edited by Bean_Doodle (edited 11-29-2006).]

Show her your penis.

Yeah, hate to break it to you but it sounds like she is uninterested. Now I suppose there is always a chance but you have to stop being a pussy and be more confident. If you really do infact like this girl, just be funny (which isn't hard) and talk with her. Although, once you get to actually know her you may not even like her.

Talk to her in person

my eyes are soar from keeping them open to read that post. Damn.

oh, and a swift roundhouse dick-whip in the face never fails.

quote:Originally posted by lauren7249:

i think they're just telling you to go after it because sara is a typical girl and likes playing matchmaker, and chris is a typical boyfriend and sees no reason to bite the hand that jerks him off.

Haha, that was hilarious and yet, still filled with wisdom.