So yea im just curious how many women out there find a man in uniform hot particularly the military uniforms? Im just curious as im going to be a full time soldier in the Army National Guard(just got to go to boot still). Also any girls find a military man hot? Ive heard of a few girls that find it hot that a guys in the military just curious.

The uniform will make the game a bit easier my friend, provided you got a little to begin with.

It can attract women, but you got to do the work if you got my drift.

[This message has been edited by Omikcron (edited 11-11-2006).]

Slightly weak...But applicable.

When I was 13, I was in the air force cadets over here.

When I was in my uniform chicks of all ages would look my way.

A couple of ex girlfriends also saw pictures of me in that uniform and said things like "Too bad you don't have it anymore, you looked hot" and "Men in uniform is such a turn on!"

It can greatly improve your chances with women as long as you don't use it as your main selling point.

quote:Originally posted by Omikcron:

The uniform will make the game a bit easier my friend, provided you got a little to begin with.

It can attract women, but you got to do the work if you got my drift.



Yea i realize that haha, that would be nice if the uniform worked so well i didnt have to do any work either haha. Yea luckily I do have a little bit which after boot camp might be a bit more(9weeks of pushups and situps has to do something haha)

The uniforms are sexy, esp. the BDU's.

Being in the military...how could that be sexy or hot moreso than most any other job?



edit:

I also like UPS drivers uniforms as well...

[This message has been edited by oc6 (edited 11-11-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by oc6:

The uniforms are sexy, esp. the BDU's.

Being in the military...how could that be sexy or hot moreso than most any other job?



edit:

I also like UPS drivers uniforms as well...



Don't ask me, men go by what works.

quote:Originally posted by oc6:

The uniforms are sexy, esp. the BDU's.

Being in the military...how could that be sexy or hot moreso than most any other job?



Because in other jobs your not protecting freedom and all that other stuff and I dont find it more sexy or hot but ive seen a few girls that were like "I like military man". I agree I like the BDUs better.

It would be VERY UNNACTRACTIVE

I find army guys hot. But I wouldn't want a relationship with one. So yeah, your uniform will help you get laid.

Military uniforms are sexier because people see BDUs or Charlies and instantly think you're willing to die for the cause; in this case, freedom. Just like how firefighters are willing to risk their lives to get grandma and her cat out of a burning building.

But don't think the uniform is going to get you play anywhere you're stationed. Girls from those areas have been getting punked by soldiers/sailors for years, they typically assume you're out for the poon and nothing more.

If the BDU is fitted correctly it makes a man's body look very masculine. Broad at the shoulders and tapered at the waist...it makes his butt look fine. It has little to do with "protecting freedom" hooey. It's the form that it makes. Very masculine.

quote:Originally posted by Soda_Can_Sniper:



But don't think the uniform is going to get you play anywhere you're stationed. Girls from those areas have been getting punked by soldiers/sailors for years, they typically assume you're out for the poon and nothing more.

Only other place id be stationed is Iraq or Afganistan as im National Guard so ill be here where im already at. And over there I wont have to worry about trying to get with the locals since my brothers been over there and reports girls are BFU.

THanks for imput peoples.

quote:Originally posted by AprenticeChemistBITCHS:

girls are BFU.



You want to actually explain your fucking acronyms?

Butt Fucking Ugly

Mm they are nice. But the whole Army National Guard just ruins it all. Don't join the army unless you're doing Special Forces or Green berets. Other than that it's a joke.

To me an Army Uniform would be a huge turn off. They don't usually flatter, and the I don't think I would be into the type of guy who would join the army.

quote:Originally posted by Silverfuck:

To me an Army Uniform would be a huge turn off. They don't usually flatter, and the I don't think I would be into the type of guy who would join the army.

What do you mean TYPE of guy that would join the army? What type of guy joins the army?

quote:Originally posted by AprenticeChemistBITCHS:

What do you mean TYPE of guy that would join the army? What type of guy joins the army?





I don't mean to categorize, I understand alot of people join the army for all different reasons. I just feel very strongly against war, and I would want a guy who shares my values.

quote:Originally posted by Silverfuck:



I don't mean to categorize, I understand alot of people join the army for all different reasons. I just feel very strongly against war, and I would want a guy who shares my values.

You fucking hippy. War is not for fun, but it is necesarry. I'm drunk, so you either have to pay a lot of attention or none at all to get this. It takes one foe to breed war not two. Nobody likes war, but if we didn't fight back against asshol;es we'd all be eating saurkraut and killing Jews by now. Hippy.

quote:Originally posted by Dextros:

You fucking hippy. War is not for fun, but it is necesarry. I'm drunk, so you either have to pay a lot of attention or none at all to get this. It takes one foe to breed war not two. Nobody likes war, but if we didn't fight back against asshol;es we'd all be eating saurkraut and killing Jews by now. Hippy.

Although a bit on the drunken harshe side i agree with this man/women. I also feel war is bad, I wish that we didn't have to be at war but you know what life isn't perfect and we are at war. Whether we are at war for a good reason or not thats up to you to decide but you want to know WHY I have no problem fighting ANY war no matter what the reason. Its not because I belive in the war or what ever or just because i want to defend freedom. The reason I have no problem going and fighting in Iraq or Afganistan or where ever a war may be is because Ill be fighting for my fellow SOLDIER and man. When I go overseas to help fight the battle im not doing it for bush or for the people here in America im doing it for the other soldiers to help protect them because not everyone joins to fight or help fight, and everyone deserves to live and those fighting over there deserve a little help. So it doesn't matter whether war is good or bad what matters is the fact that WAR is a part of human culture wars have gone on since the begging of history.

Most people I know that have been wanting to get into the military its not about the war or what not its about a GREAT paying job, with good benifits and help with college plus you really can be proud to be part of something bigger. So if you have any problem with what the army is about or our "types" you can suck a fat dick. The guys that do join to go fight because they just want to kill or be heros they can all fuck off its not about killing its about trying to make it so MORE people don't have to die. Im going to take a guess and say you might have been one of those people that though Isreal should have just talked things over with Hezbollah right? They shoudl have just taken the rockets and did something peacefull instead of going in and killing those terrorist fuckers.

I don't think all that hostility was warranted. I'm not an idiot, I understand that war is necessary in today's world. I don't need a lecture to understand that so you can get down off your soap box. And I do have alot of respect for people who choose to be in the army. It takes alot of courage and character to fight for your country. This thread, however, is not about the pros and cons of wars, or the virtues of the men who fight them. You asked if women find men in the military hot, and I truthfully answered you. You don't need to be an ass just because I didn't tell you what you want to hear.

quote:Originally posted by Silverfuck:



I don't mean to categorize, I understand alot of people join the army for all different reasons. I just feel very strongly against war, and I would want a guy who shares my values.

i don't agree with the war either but i'm still in ROTC and i'm probably going to go reserves and do SMP...

anyways, yes, BDU's, ACU's, and whatever the uniforms that marines wear are hot as fuck.

and op, how are you going full-time in the national guard?

quote:Originally posted by Silverfuck:

I don't think all that hostility was warranted. I'm not an idiot, I understand that war is necessary in today's world. I don't need a lecture to understand that so you can get down off your soap box. And I do have alot of respect for people who choose to be in the army. It takes alot of courage and character to fight for your country. This thread, however, is not about the pros and cons of wars, or the virtues of the men who fight them. You asked if women find men in the military hot, and I truthfully answered you. You don't need to be an ass just because I didn't tell you what you want to hear.

I know some wont find the military hot thats not what the hostility is from. The hostility came from you catogorizing military people and saying you feel strongly against war and want someone with your values. Implying that military people ARE NOT AGAINST war, which isnt true im a military man and hate war, I wish we could live without it but its nessacary. Sorry I was so hostile you just seemed like one of the many anti war hippy fucks that dont support the troops or think they are bad because they fight for their country and go to war.

And its possible to be full time in the national guard, its like army just with the option to only do it a one weekend a month two weeks anually.

Yes.

Especially Nazi uniforms.

I think it's the boots.

quote:Originally posted by Indulgence:

Yes.

Especially Nazi uniforms.

I think it's the boots.

Tight jackboots do make my calves look sexie.

Only in America.

*shakes his head*

The girls don't like the uniform, they like the thought of authority and power.

quote:Originally posted by Kai:

The girls don't like the uniform, they like the thought of authority and power.

No, no, no.. It's the uniform. The BDU's are soo sexy. Don't even get me started on dress Blue's. I think I'm just impartial. My daddy is in the Air Force and that's just what he's worn to work everyday since the day I was born.

full time soldier in the national guards?

fucking tool.

-Spc. Whiteass, Currently serving in Iraq.

I'm going to join the Special Forces before moving on to other things.

Now, while I am against the IRAQ war, OTHER wars are necessary. With the Special Forces also, we will be more doing small raids and attacks on warlords, dictators, terrorists, and so on which are dangerous and is just.

I am against wars for oil contracts, but there are some necessary wars and killings.

quote:Originally posted by Silverfuck:



I don't mean to categorize, I understand alot of people join the army for all different reasons. I just feel very strongly against war, and I would want a guy who shares my values.

The army takes anybody.

yes, military men can be sexy. the shaved head, strong shoulders/chest/stomach....

unfortunatly, anyone in the army is a fucking idiot. in general, uneducated in and unintelligent. imagine a world where every soldier was smart enough to put down their gun?

how can you say soldiers 'fight for freedom', or 'fight for peace'. its completely ridiculous. iraq today is less 'free' then it ever was under saddam, and what justification do we (the western world, america) have to go into some country and tell them what to do?! oh yea, 'weapons of mass destruction', never found, 'terrorist attacks on our land (9.11)', which was not actually done by terrorists, and the 'terrorist threat', which has gotten far worse since we started messing around.

oh yea, they have oil!

and to the op, wtf. you mentioned that israel is justified for its attack on lebanon....destroying an entire country, killing thousands of innocents and saying 'ooops, we were aiming for the bad guys!' is ok?

this mentality you, and im sure your fellow 'freedom fighters' share is worse than any terrorsits.

quote:Originally posted by immersionwarning:

yes, military men can be sexy. the shaved head, strong shoulders/chest/stomach....

unfortunatly, anyone in the army is a fucking idiot. in general, uneducated in and unintelligent. imagine a world where every soldier was smart enough to put down their gun?

how can you say soldiers 'fight for freedom', or 'fight for peace'. its completely ridiculous. iraq today is less 'free' then it ever was under saddam, and what justification do we (the western world, america) have to go into some country and tell them what to do?! oh yea, 'weapons of mass destruction', never found, 'terrorist attacks on our land (9.11)', which was not actually done by terrorists, and the 'terrorist threat', which has gotten far worse since we started messing around.

oh yea, they have oil!

and to the op, wtf. you mentioned that israel is justified for its attack on lebanon....destroying an entire country, killing thousands of innocents and saying 'ooops, we were aiming for the bad guys!' is ok?

this mentality you, and im sure your fellow 'freedom fighters' share is worse than any terrorsits.



Yes I do think they had every right. Is it their fault that the enemy was hiding behind women and children? And the fact that most the middle east hates isreal and they keep letting them attack and finally the jews struck back.

And unintelligent every last one of us? Yea fuck you ignorant son of a bitch, not all of us agree with the iraq war, you stupid cunt if you read my other post, doesn't matter the cause of the war if I fight the war im not fighting it for the fucking president im fighting for the other men in the army that signed up so they could ATTEMPT to defend freedom. Im not dumb I realize hey maybe the war over there IS possibly about oil, but not everyone that joined joined to fight that war.

Some of us joined incase there is an actually war worth something say someone attacking us. So by your logic all the army guys that went over and fought the nazis were unintelligent dipshits because they were fighting to save the world and jews from a sick sadistic fuck named Adolf. Or maybe you think its bad that we fought Iraq in desert storm when they invaded Kuwait, and Sadam was killing thousands of his own people?

DID I once ever say soldiers fight for freedom or peace? FUCK NO because one im not sure what we are TRULY fighting for in iraq and other places because I know what we hear but not what is 100% fact. And ill never say we are fighting for peace because thats just contridictory and stupid. Unintelligent and ignorant is you you asshole. You want to know one of the BIG reasons im going over to Iraq/Afganistan some day with the army is so I can become informed and see how shit REALLY is, because you can go by what you hear on the media but you never fucking KNOW what is fact, because the media is biased incase you didn't know. You can't be 100% sure whats really going on over there until your there and seen it, how do YOU know that iraq is really in such a worse case? Have you been there? Have you talked to people that have been there? Or are you going on what the media has told you? And as I said im not sure maybe Iraq is in worse shape but I WONT KNOW and unlike your ignorant ass I realize that I dont know and dont go saying how it is over there.

And I wish everyone could just put down there weapons but hey there ARE people that like killing innocent people and people that do need to be stopped, and there is the fact that the world and people are not perfect so there will always be a need to defend ourselfs or other people. You might say oh if someone starts others will follow thats not always true.

And in the army its not a matter of smart enough or not if you put down your weapon when your commanader tells you to do something you face, possibilty of jail, dishonor(if you come back and people know you put your weapon down what ever many people will hate you and call you unamerican and all that other ignorant bS),discharge(pretty hard to get a job if you get a Dishonorable discharge), among other things so its not quite that fucking easy.

So all i have to say to you left is FUCK OFF, some people that join are uneducated and unintelligent and what not but not everyone, some of us do have good reasons for joining. Some don't join to fight for their country they fight for the benifits like college tuition, and housing, and health care, and such.

quote:Originally posted by AprenticeChemistBITCHS:

DID I once ever say soldiers fight for freedom or peace? FUCK NO because one im not sure what we are TRULY fighting for in iraq and other places because I know what we hear but not what is 100% fact. And ill never say we are fighting for peace because thats just contridictory and stupid. Unintelligent and ignorant is you you asshole. You want to know one of the BIG reasons im going over to Iraq/Afganistan some day with the army is so I can become informed and see how shit REALLY is, because you can go by what you hear on the media but you never fucking KNOW what is fact, because the media is biased incase you didn't know. You can't be 100% sure whats really going on over there until your there and seen it, how do YOU know that iraq is really in such a worse case? Have you been there? Have you talked to people that have been there? Or are you going on what the media has told you? And as I said im not sure maybe Iraq is in worse shape but I WONT KNOW and unlike your ignorant ass I realize that I dont know and dont go saying how it is over there.

The media is biased. Every other Thursday I meet someone who just came back from Iraq. And every time it's the same stories: children giving them gifts, men and women coming up and saying "thanks", and lines stretching outside the police stations of Iraqis ready to sign up and die for their new freedom, even though those lines are attacked weekly.

I have absolutely NO CLUE what is going on in Iraq because the media is not telling the truth.

quote:Originally posted by Silverfuck:

I don't think all that hostility was warranted. I'm not an idiot, I understand that war is necessary in today's world. I don't need a lecture to understand that so you can get down off your soap box. And I do have alot of respect for people who choose to be in the army. It takes alot of courage and character to fight for your country. This thread, however, is not about the pros and cons of wars, or the virtues of the men who fight them. You asked if women find men in the military hot, and I truthfully answered you. You don't need to be an ass just because I didn't tell you what you want to hear.



Guys gtfo off Silverfuck. He/she had a valid point and you people warp it into an argument.



And for the topic, Yes, id say the majority of women are attracted to men in uniform.

Peace,

quote:Originally posted by AprenticeChemistBITCHS:

And unintelligent every last one of us? Yea fuck you ignorant son of a bitch, not all of us agree with the iraq war, you stupid cunt if you read my other post, doesn't matter the cause of the war if I fight the war im not fighting it for the fucking president im fighting for the other men in the army that signed up so they could ATTEMPT to defend freedom. Im not dumb I realize hey maybe the war over there IS possibly about oil, but not everyone that joined joined to fight that war. and on and on and on

When you get down to it, military = just another job. People sign up for different things; some want college money, some want steady pay, some people really do just want to shoot towelheads.

Don't fret ACBitchs, we fight for their right to be ignorant and dumbasses too. Let it go.

Let's ask Xiao Mei, her man's an Air Force officer. But I think that's cuz of the money officers make.

[This message has been edited by Soda_Can_Sniper (edited 11-13-2006).]

quote:Originally posted by AprenticeChemistBITCHS:



Yes I do think they had every right. Is it their fault that the enemy was hiding behind women and children? And the fact that most the middle east hates isreal and they keep letting them attack and finally the jews struck back.

And unintelligent every last one of us? Yea fuck you ignorant son of a bitch, not all of us agree with the iraq war, you stupid cunt if you read my other post, doesn't matter the cause of the war if I fight the war im not fighting it for the fucking president im fighting for the other men in the army that signed up so they could ATTEMPT to defend freedom. Im not dumb I realize hey maybe the war over there IS possibly about oil, but not everyone that joined joined to fight that war.

Some of us joined incase there is an actually war worth something say someone attacking us. So by your logic all the army guys that went over and fought the nazis were unintelligent dipshits because they were fighting to save the world and jews from a sick sadistic fuck named Adolf. Or maybe you think its bad that we fought Iraq in desert storm when they invaded Kuwait, and Sadam was killing thousands of his own people?

DID I once ever say soldiers fight for freedom or peace? FUCK NO because one im not sure what we are TRULY fighting for in iraq and other places because I know what we hear but not what is 100% fact. And ill never say we are fighting for peace because thats just contridictory and stupid. Unintelligent and ignorant is you you asshole. You want to know one of the BIG reasons im going over to Iraq/Afganistan some day with the army is so I can become informed and see how shit REALLY is, because you can go by what you hear on the media but you never fucking KNOW what is fact, because the media is biased incase you didn't know. You can't be 100% sure whats really going on over there until your there and seen it, how do YOU know that iraq is really in such a worse case? Have you been there? Have you talked to people that have been there? Or are you going on what the media has told you? And as I said im not sure maybe Iraq is in worse shape but I WONT KNOW and unlike your ignorant ass I realize that I dont know and dont go saying how it is over there.

And I wish everyone could just put down there weapons but hey there ARE people that like killing innocent people and people that do need to be stopped, and there is the fact that the world and people are not perfect so there will always be a need to defend ourselfs or other people. You might say oh if someone starts others will follow thats not always true.

And in the army its not a matter of smart enough or not if you put down your weapon when your commanader tells you to do something you face, possibilty of jail, dishonor(if you come back and people know you put your weapon down what ever many people will hate you and call you unamerican and all that other ignorant bS),discharge(pretty hard to get a job if you get a Dishonorable discharge), among other things so its not quite that fucking easy.

So all i have to say to you left is FUCK OFF, some people that join are uneducated and unintelligent and what not but not everyone, some of us do have good reasons for joining. Some don't join to fight for their country they fight for the benifits like college tuition, and housing, and health care, and such.



Oh and wow. Just read that.

Good ass post man.

quote:Originally posted by Nikkuh:



Guys gtfo off Silverfuck. He/she had a valid point and you people warp it into an argument.



And for the topic, Yes, id say the majority of women are attracted to men in uniform.

Peace,



Yea I was just a little mad about the whole "TYPE" thing it seemed as though they were saying all army guys are just in it for war. My main problems with the other second asshole.

Yea thats really true soda_can_sniper, it is just like any other job. I mean im one of the people that joined for pretty much every reason there is, college money, job secruity, good pay, $20,000 sign up bonus, sexy uniforms, pride, defending freedom, helping out the other soldiers like my two older brothers, sister in law and now uncle that have or are fighting over there, as well as the whole helping kick terrorisms asshole.

Well when i am in my dress blue alphas or any uniform like service charlies girls walk up to me and give me numbers or just to talk even caught a couple starring. We make fun of the gaurd but anyone who is on the front with us is good to go.

quote:Originally posted by AprenticeChemistBITCHS:



Yes I do think they had every right. Is it their fault that the enemy was hiding behind women and children? And the fact that most the middle east hates isreal and they keep letting them attack and finally the jews struck back.

And unintelligent every last one of us? Yea fuck you ignorant son of a bitch, not all of us agree with the iraq war, you stupid cunt if you read my other post, doesn't matter the cause of the war if I fight the war im not fighting it for the fucking president im fighting for the other men in the army that signed up so they could ATTEMPT to defend freedom. Im not dumb I realize hey maybe the war over there IS possibly about oil, but not everyone that joined joined to fight that war.

Some of us joined incase there is an actually war worth something say someone attacking us. So by your logic all the army guys that went over and fought the nazis were unintelligent dipshits because they were fighting to save the world and jews from a sick sadistic fuck named Adolf. Or maybe you think its bad that we fought Iraq in desert storm when they invaded Kuwait, and Sadam was killing thousands of his own people?

DID I once ever say soldiers fight for freedom or peace? FUCK NO because one im not sure what we are TRULY fighting for in iraq and other places because I know what we hear but not what is 100% fact. And ill never say we are fighting for peace because thats just contridictory and stupid. Unintelligent and ignorant is you you asshole. You want to know one of the BIG reasons im going over to Iraq/Afganistan some day with the army is so I can become informed and see how shit REALLY is, because you can go by what you hear on the media but you never fucking KNOW what is fact, because the media is biased incase you didn't know. You can't be 100% sure whats really going on over there until your there and seen it, how do YOU know that iraq is really in such a worse case? Have you been there? Have you talked to people that have been there? Or are you going on what the media has told you? And as I said im not sure maybe Iraq is in worse shape but I WONT KNOW and unlike your ignorant ass I realize that I dont know and dont go saying how it is over there.

And I wish everyone could just put down there weapons but hey there ARE people that like killing innocent people and people that do need to be stopped, and there is the fact that the world and people are not perfect so there will always be a need to defend ourselfs or other people. You might say oh if someone starts others will follow thats not always true.

And in the army its not a matter of smart enough or not if you put down your weapon when your commanader tells you to do something you face, possibilty of jail, dishonor(if you come back and people know you put your weapon down what ever many people will hate you and call you unamerican and all that other ignorant bS),discharge(pretty hard to get a job if you get a Dishonorable discharge), among other things so its not quite that fucking easy.

So all i have to say to you left is FUCK OFF, some people that join are uneducated and unintelligent and what not but not everyone, some of us do have good reasons for joining. Some don't join to fight for their country they fight for the benifits like college tuition, and housing, and health care, and such.

Hey next time the bad guys hiding behind your house, i hope they bomb it too. and of course the middle east hates israel.

imagine for a second that that the mexicans got some tanks from venezuala and decided to bulldoze all californians out of their homes and claim the land as their own. would the rest of america feel 'lovingly' towards this new nation? (i understand this is a completely unrealistic analogy)

and by unintelligent, i did not mean supports the iraq war. i mean supports any war or military. i mean seriously, you get hundreds of 'men', give them guns, and scream orders at them and the fucking LISTEN. would you do anything you were ordered to do? of course theyre gonna punish you if you dont do as you're told (you are a CHILD. you will do as you are TOLD), but you seem stupid enough to do it without that threat, as god forbid we are 'dishonored' when we come home.

and no, not everyone that joined the army had teh intention of fighting a war for oil, but they ended up doing it anyway! they were stupid enough to listen to the 'defend freedom' bullshit and played into the military-industrial complex's sick little game.

you think america needs protection? we could destroy the world 30x with the nuclear weapons we have.

and about that sadistic fuck adolf, imagine if HIS soldiers had been smart enough to THINK FOR THEMSELVES and NOT DO AS THEY WERE ORDERED. you are part of the military, you say you will do as you are told. if you were told to line up women and children and send them off to the furnaces, would you do it? because it most definitly happened, and from teh way you're talking, you most definitly would. indeed, you're just as bad as those fucking nazis.

and about desert storm, yea saddam was killing a few kurds (only about 4,000 died). is that reason for us to invade a country and kill 600,000 FUCKING IRAQIS?!??!??! this number came out recently by a completely unbiased international organization, forgot what it was, and bush is trying to settle down the rabble by saying it was obtained through 'wrong' methods, even though they used a method used after every war. 600,000, at least half of them innocent.

and dont even get me started on vietnam.

youre a fucking idiot. you say i'm ignorant. open a book, get an education, THINK FOR YOURSELF

more along the lines of the orignial post.

gay military porn is some of the best out there. its great to watch that major jackhammering into the private with camo pants scrunched around his ankles.

howd that go along with the 'dont ask, dont tell' policy?

quote:Originally posted by immersionwarning:

Hey next time the bad guys hiding behind your house, i hope they bomb it too. and of course the middle east hates israel.

imagine for a second that that the mexicans got some tanks from venezuala and decided to bulldoze all californians out of their homes and claim the land as their own. would the rest of america feel 'lovingly' towards this new nation? (i understand this is a completely unrealistic analogy)

and by unintelligent, i did not mean supports the iraq war. i mean supports any war or military. i mean seriously, you get hundreds of 'men', give them guns, and scream orders at them and the fucking LISTEN. would you do anything you were ordered to do? of course theyre gonna punish you if you dont do as you're told (you are a CHILD. you will do as you are TOLD), but you seem stupid enough to do it without that threat, as god forbid we are 'dishonored' when we come home.

and no, not everyone that joined the army had teh intention of fighting a war for oil, but they ended up doing it anyway! they were stupid enough to listen to the 'defend freedom' bullshit and played into the military-industrial complex's sick little game.

you think america needs protection? we could destroy the world 30x with the nuclear weapons we have.

and about that sadistic fuck adolf, imagine if HIS soldiers had been smart enough to THINK FOR THEMSELVES and NOT DO AS THEY WERE ORDERED. you are part of the military, you say you will do as you are told. if you were told to line up women and children and send them off to the furnaces, would you do it? because it most definitly happened, and from teh way you're talking, you most definitly would. indeed, you're just as bad as those fucking nazis.

and about desert storm, yea saddam was killing a few kurds (only about 4,000 died). is that reason for us to invade a country and kill 600,000 FUCKING IRAQIS?!??!??! this number came out recently by a completely unbiased international organization, forgot what it was, and bush is trying to settle down the rabble by saying it was obtained through 'wrong' methods, even though they used a method used after every war. 600,000, at least half of them innocent.

and dont even get me started on vietnam.

youre a fucking idiot. you say i'm ignorant. open a book, get an education, THINK FOR YOURSELF



I am going to have fun ripping this apart.

First off the isrealli conflict has been going on since the birth of christ. Next you never been in the millitary so please don't tell him or anyone ow its like, you watching full metal jacket doesn't count. 600k Iraqi really, most studies place it about 60k. He killed anywhere from 50k-100k kurds and sent over a million into exile in Iran. Not the mention that some numbers say he killed an additional 500k other iraqis

And the millitary encourages free thinking as a marine i am forced to take certain amount of college courses to gain rank(varies per rank). Not only that leadership and free thinking is demanded of you. You are given general orders and each lvl decides how to cary out there level. If you think a order is unlawful then challenge it.

You know nothing about the iraqi conflict nor have been there all your information is probally from moveon.org which has more bullshit then republicans and even baghdad bob.

Shut your mouth you annoying highschool emo..

quote:Originally posted by StealthyRacoons:



I am going to have fun ripping this apart.

First off the isrealli conflict has been going on since the birth of christ. Next you never been in the millitary so please don't tell him or anyone ow its like, you watching full metal jacket doesn't count. 600k Iraqi really, most studies place it about 60k. He killed anywhere from 50k-100k kurds and sent over a million into exile in Iran. Not the mention that some numbers say he killed an additional 500k other iraqis

And the millitary encourages free thinking as a marine i am forced to take certain amount of college courses to gain rank(varies per rank). Not only that leadership and free thinking is demanded of you. You are given general orders and each lvl decides how to cary out there level. If you think a order is unlawful then challenge it.

You know nothing about the iraqi conflict nor have been there all your information is probally from moveon.org which has more bullshit then republicans and even baghdad bob.

Shut your mouth you annoying highschool emo..

you failed miserably at 'ripping' my post apart. http://onl ine.wsj.co m/public/a rticle/SB1 1605289678 7288831-vC 7aTW_yBMRh yuASs_NxsD 37fhA_20071011.html

really, only 60K?

http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/19675.htm

i dont really believe this one, as it is information recived from us govt, but still...we killed 6x as many as he did, even if we believe these bullshit numbers.



and no i have not witnessed first hadn the war in iraq, but i have seen the horrible situation that has occured due to america and other fucking aggressor nations who feel they can do whatever the fuck they want to. my mothers afghani, was a part of the cabinent member there for a short time and i went to afghanistan shortly after OPERATION 'SHOCK AND AWE' started in iraq. theyd bombed kabul shortly before this, and my god it was the most tragic thing i have ever seen. then again, afghanistan has always been in shambles, for the last 40 years at least due to russian invasion, etc. but you think they want your military presence there? you think you are doing anything to benefit the people in that area? they have said themselves, they would rather be left alone, yet somebody 'up there' is pushing idiots like you out into somebody elses land to fulfill some secret agenda. its fucked.

eh im done talking, i wont get anywhere with you militaristic bastards.

I must admit, those ACU's are a turn on, just do nt use it as ur main selling point, or it wont work, for, theres nothing as nice as a hot guy in ACU's and beret, whether maroon or not, and yes, 9 weeks will do something, especially if ur a bit pudgy to begin with

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and by unintelligent, i did not mean supports the iraq war. i mean supports any war or military. i mean seriously, you get hundreds of 'men', give them guns, and scream orders at them and the fucking LISTEN. would you do anything you were ordered to do? of course theyre gonna punish you if you dont do as you're told (you are a CHILD. you will do as you are TOLD), but you seem stupid enough to do it without that threat, as god forbid we are 'dishonored' when we come home.

and no, not everyone that joined the army had teh intention of fighting a war for oil, but they ended up doing it anyway! they were stupid enough to listen to the 'defend freedom' bullshit and played into the military-industrial complex's sick little game.

you think america needs protection? we could destroy the world 30x with the nuclear weapons we have.

and about that sadistic fuck adolf, imagine if HIS soldiers had been smart enough to THINK FOR THEMSELVES and NOT DO AS THEY WERE ORDERED. you are part of the military, you say you will do as you are told. if you were told to line up women and children and send them off to the furnaces, would you do it? because it most definitly happened, and from teh way you're talking, you most definitly would. indeed, you're just as bad as those fucking nazis.

and about desert storm, yea saddam was killing a few kurds (only about 4,000 died). is that reason for us to invade a country and kill 600,000 FUCKING IRAQIS?!??!??! this number came out recently by a completely unbiased international organization, forgot what it was, and bush is trying to settle down the rabble by saying it was obtained through 'wrong' methods, even though they used a method used after every war. 600,000, at least half of them innocent.

and dont even get me started on vietnam.

youre a fucking idiot. you say i'm ignorant. open a book, get an education, THINK FOR YOURSELF



As I SAID YOU DUMB FUCKER, I joined for every reason possible, including to defend freedom, DiD i say that the iraq war goes into that catagory no, by joining to defend our freedom I meant that in the case some war does get started against America(highly unlikly but hey it happens) then id be ready and not have to sign the paperwork i could go fight. As for the doing EVEYTHING im told that is complete bull shit I will do everything the military tells me within my moral code, I highly doubt the government is going to have me doing to many things that are great injustices, but say they do say they want me to line up women and children and shoot them then YES I will disobey and THERE will no be a coming home dishounred. Because if I am put in that position I would rather turn my rifle on the men that are going to follow the orders and attempt to get them to stop whether I get killed/jailed whatever wont matter because I value the lives of women and children over mine. And im not a fucking child, of course im going to do what im told in the army not just because of dishonor but hey theres also jail and other bad things, but like I said if something really isnt right then I wont follow orders.

As for hitlers men yes they were all sadistic fucks and HENCE why WE FUCKING went to war with them, no where did I say the Nazis were good in any sense or that their soldiers had a right to fight. I think every fucking german that fought for the nazis and the civilians that turned others in should be fucking severly punished. The reason I brougt up hitler is because hey what if us HORRIBLE army people didn't go fight him? You wouldn't be saying you hate the army then would you? No youd be saying "HEIL HITLER" and this would be the united state of NAZI Germany. So fuck you peice of shit.

As for the actual numbers and shit hey i could care less, like I said reason im going over to Iraq is to SEE for myself and then I can make a true judgement.

And why the FUCK did you think I went back to WW2 for an example? Of course vietnam was a complete fuck up, the government really fucked up and that was a horrible reason to go to war many people died that shouldn't have so fuck you.

You are a closeminded stupid fucking hippy, I bet you'll like the army when NK tries blowing some place up with a nuclear missle. Stupid fucking cunt, none of your arguments really work.

And as for the joining to defend freedom not many people ive heard of really join for that so your theory is flawed. And so what if they thought that by joining the military they could help defend their country. Its hard to know whats the truth and whats real unless your actually over there and can see whats going on. So unless you can PROVE that Iraq is worse off now then it was with sadam SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH.

quote:Originally posted by AprenticeChemistBITCHS:



As I SAID YOU DUMB FUCKER, I joined for every reason possible, including to defend freedom, DiD i say that the iraq war goes into that catagory no, by joining to defend our freedom I meant that in the case some war does get started against America(highly unlikly but hey it happens) then id be ready and not have to sign the paperwork i could go fight. As for the doing EVEYTHING im told that is complete bull shit I will do everything the military tells me within my moral code, I highly doubt the government is going to have me doing to many things that are great injustices, but say they do say they want me to line up women and children and shoot them then YES I will disobey and THERE will no be a coming home dishounred. Because if I am put in that position I would rather turn my rifle on the men that are going to follow the orders and attempt to get them to stop whether I get killed/jailed whatever wont matter because I value the lives of women and children over mine. And im not a fucking child, of course im going to do what im told in the army not just because of dishonor but hey theres also jail and other bad things, but like I said if something really isnt right then I wont follow orders.

As for hitlers men yes they were all sadistic fucks and HENCE why WE FUCKING went to war with them, no where did I say the Nazis were good in any sense or that their soldiers had a right to fight. I think every fucking german that fought for the nazis and the civilians that turned others in should be fucking severly punished. The reason I brougt up hitler is because hey what if us HORRIBLE army people didn't go fight him? You wouldn't be saying you hate the army then would you? No youd be saying "HEIL HITLER" and this would be the united state of NAZI Germany. So fuck you peice of shit.

As for the actual numbers and shit hey i could care less, like I said reason im going over to Iraq is to SEE for myself and then I can make a true judgement.

And why the FUCK did you think I went back to WW2 for an example? Of course vietnam was a complete fuck up, the government really fucked up and that was a horrible reason to go to war many people died that shouldn't have so fuck you.

You are a closeminded stupid fucking hippy, I bet you'll like the army when NK tries blowing some place up with a nuclear missle. Stupid fucking cunt, none of your arguments really work.

And as for the joining to defend freedom not many people ive heard of really join for that so your theory is flawed. And so what if they thought that by joining the military they could help defend their country. Its hard to know whats the truth and whats real unless your actually over there and can see whats going on. So unless you can PROVE that Iraq is worse off now then it was with sadam SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH.



i never said people join to 'defend freedom', you did. people join the military when they have no other option, be it they dont have the finances for college or are fucked up idiots who cant go anywhere else.

you say now you wont do as you're told, there is statistical evidence that that is wrong. the nazis were not all sadistic fucks, they were military men just like you. according to the milton study, done after the atrocities of the holocaust, they found that 80% of people would submit a person to a lethal dose of electricity if they were told to do so. so yes, there is an 80% chance you will kill whoever you are told to. and its not just about killing. what about abu ghraib. torture do anything for you? what about those soldiers who stuck their dick in an iraqi skull and took pictures?

prove iraq is worse off now? the mass media is finally coming around to the proper side, pointing out the daily car bombings and the fact that the country is on the brink of a civil war. we put a dictator in, backed him financially (who do you think gave him the money to kill those kurds?), and then took him out. the country is ridiculously unstable, and will be for a very, very long time. do you really think that the iraqis will trust any government installed by the united states after they had 600,000 of their people killed by em?

its not just iraq, every single war is a total and complete failure, for everybody. america tends to be an agressor nation, trying to get their agendas done all around the world. look at bay of pigs, venezualan civil war (even though that was through an israeli proxy).

you dont know what the fuck you're talking about. you are another one of the mindless idiots who will pick up a weapon and mow down countless of idiots just like you who choose to fight.

you claim my arguments are flawed, take a look in the mirror buddy.

quote:Originally posted by immersionwarning:

i never said people join to 'defend freedom', you did. people join the military when they have no other option, be it they dont have the finances for college or are fucked up idiots who cant go anywhere else.

you say now you wont do as you're told, there is statistical evidence that that is wrong. the nazis were not all sadistic fucks, they were military men just like you. according to the milton study, done after the atrocities of the holocaust, they found that 80% of people would submit a person to a lethal dose of electricity if they were told to do so. so yes, there is an 80% chance you will kill whoever you are told to. and its not just about killing. what about abu ghraib. torture do anything for you? what about those soldiers who stuck their dick in an iraqi skull and took pictures?

prove iraq is worse off now? the mass media is finally coming around to the proper side, pointing out the daily car bombings and the fact that the country is on the brink of a civil war. we put a dictator in, backed him financially (who do you think gave him the money to kill those kurds?), and then took him out. the country is ridiculously unstable, and will be for a very, very long time. do you really think that the iraqis will trust any government installed by the united states after they had 600,000 of their people killed by em?

its not just iraq, every single war is a total and complete failure, for everybody. america tends to be an agressor nation, trying to get their agendas done all around the world. look at bay of pigs, venezualan civil war (even though that was through an israeli proxy).

you dont know what the fuck you're talking about. you are another one of the mindless idiots who will pick up a weapon and mow down countless of idiots just like you who choose to fight.

you claim my arguments are flawed, take a look in the mirror buddy.





ABU GARABH TORTURE? ABU GARABH WAS NOT FUCKIGN TORTURE, Torture was what the fucking terrorist did when they took a fucking knife cut off a guys head on fucking video tape you son of a bitch. Abu Garabh was humilation, im not saying that it was good, those soliders deserved to be punished for being dicks like that but that was not fucking torture. And I don't care what the fuck your thing says if my commanding officer said "kill these women and children" I would refuse. And not everyone HAS NOTHING BETTER to do then the military. If I had wanted to I could have done what ever the fuck i wanted, idk if you think same way about Air force but I could have done that to or anything, obviously im a complete retard since I scored a 91(average is 40-70 from what ive seen) on the asvab test, exceeds on any fucking test ive ever taken. I choose army because I have a large army family background.



And the nazis not all sadistic fucks? What the fuck about the SS? The Gestapo? The People that TURNED In their neighbors just for the fuck of it? Now obviously not EVERY single soldier was a sadist but a lot obviously were, I mean some where just ignorant enough to think they were fighting for the motherland(or is it fahterland idk).

And how the fuck do you know that the mass media isn't NOT showing things. Ive heard from countless soldiers of tales of getting praise from the people there and being thanked and all. LIke I said until your dumb bitch ass has been there and seen what REALLY is going on dont say shit stupid fuck. I unlike you am at least smart enough to think for myself and not just go by the media or the government, I unlike you dont just assume that because the media shows lots of bad shit that its all good over there, and just because soldiers tell its good over there then it must be better. I am able to realize the world is biased and unless you have been there you can't truely KNOW anything.

And you know what I didn't join so I can mow people down, but if someone is shooting at me then YES I WILL shoot fucking back. Like I said, another reason im going over there is to HELP defend my fellow soldier. Because even if EVERY single person in the army was unintelligent and uneducated and made a bad choice doesnt mean that they dont deserve to be defended since they fucked up. So im done arguing with you becuase your sir/madam are a ignorant self absorbed wanna be know it all that thinks they know everything and are better then other people.

*laughs as he takes off his Working Blues uniform off*

Thank you AprenticeChemistBITCHS, I'll take it from here.

"I am a United States Sailor. I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, and I will obey the orders of those appointed over me.

I represent the fighting spirit of the Navy, and those who have gone before me to defend freedom and democracy around the world..." -- Part of the Sailors Creed.

I dont know about National Guard Deppie over there, but I did join to fight for freedom, and peace. Once your in, and out of boot camp, you realize the reason why they call the extra stuff, benefits. Its nice in all, but in the end, its just icing on the cake.

You join not because you want to pick up chicks easier or whatever. When you wear that uniform, not only are you showing the people you give a damn about the nation to die for it, but your a walking bank. Everyone knows how much you get paid just by what you wear on the collar or the sleeve. You can't hide it. So you gotta be careful of the kind of girls you attract.

You can easily attract the slutty ones who'd tell you that your hot in your uniform, pretend to like you, hell even marry you. But as soon as you go on deployment, shes fucking your bestfriend and seeking a divorce. (after selling all your stuff of course)

So to that, I raise my glass and say to hell with the women, the wars where its at.

(oh and AprenticeChemistBITCHS, you talk a lot of crap for a Deppie in the National Guard. Real men go active duty, and stay on it. Not run around pretending their military. :P )

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AprenticeChemistBITCHS, deliberate humiliation is emotional torture. Which, in some cases, can be just as bad as physical torture.

That being said, I don't think men in uniform are any more attractive. However, I wouldn't hesitate when it comes to Peter Sarsgaard or Jake Gyllenhaal in uniform. Hollywood does wonders.

I dunno though. Besides the two I mentioned, the jarhead haircut doesn't do much for me. And I think I just prefer jeans and a nice shirt to the uniform.

quote:Originally posted by DesertRebel:

*laughs as he takes off his Working Blues uniform off*

Thank you AprenticeChemistBITCHS, I'll take it from here.

"I am a United States Sailor. I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, and I will obey the orders of those appointed over me.

I represent the fighting spirit of the Navy, and those who have gone before me to defend freedom and democracy around the world..." -- Part of the Sailors Creed.

I dont know about National Guard Deppie over there, but I did join to fight for freedom, and peace.

Yes I do plan to live by that code but what I meant by I didnt join to DEFEND freedom, was the way that cunt was meaning it. Which meant fighting in the iraq war or what ever. I meant I didnt join to defend freedom in the sense of the wars going on right now. Now like I said until I have actually gone to iraq and see how things truly are I cannot in my mind say that im helping defend freedom until I can see what the true objective/acheivements are coming from the Iraq war. For all I know the cunt could be right and we could be fighting just for oil or some bull shit. So when I said im not joining to defend freedom I meant the propganda "defending freedom" of the war on terrorism. Now if you want to label helping defend our borders by keeping out illegals and drug dealers as joining to help Defend freedom then yes I definatly did join to defend freedom because thats why i joined National Guard so I could help defend the Arizona border. And just because part of my job is defending freedom and all doesnt mean thats the specific reason I joined, or many others joined. From what I have seen a number of people ive talked to didn't decide to join for that reason, they joined to help for college and other things of this nature. Thats not talking about just NAtional Guard either.

As for the torture, yes in a sense it would be emotional torture but so could a lot of things. I just think that considering THAT torture is ridiculous. Torture in my definition is what the japanese did to our troops in WWII, what Hitler did to the Jews, what Sadam did to his people, and yes ill admit what AMERICA did to the native americans(smallpox blankets other bad stuff). Im just tired of people saying how bad America is for our "torture" yet no one says shit about these terrorist fucks or at least they say stuff but no where near as much as about how bad America is. For christ sakes people wanted to claim the soldiers holding Sadam were torturing him for making him watch the south park movie which depicts him in a homosexual realationship with the devil, some fucking torture.

National Guard doesnt do shit in Arizona except relieving the gate guards. I mean really, we have the Border Patrol for that. And even if you did get lucky to be guarding the border, the odds of you getting in a firefight are slim, because your opponent is gonna make a 100mph dart over the border, and laugh and taunt you from 5 feet away. (Because you cant do shit. They can fire at you, but you cant fire back. Why? Thats called making an act of war.)

Though I gotta admit, this is the only job where they trust kids without college educations to use million/billion dollar equipment.

A lot of the reservists joined for the bonus, the training, and the college benefits. Active duty like myself, are planning on doing college in the service, for a cheaper price, but at a personal cost. (aka, get off work, go to school, go home, study, go to bed, get up at 5am, repeat)

I plan on going active duty in the next year, I wanted guard because I wanted to be here, and because I wanted to help with the borders.

you obviously dont understand these people.

they are deathly against dogs (its very against religion); they get dogs to run near them, get the people naked and put collars on them then take pictures.

these people are deathly against seeing a naked womans body. they chain a completly innocent man to the chair and get a female private to take her clothes off rub against him in her panties and reach her hand into her underwear, where she has put red ink to mimic menstural blood, and rub it in his face. do you know what this man did? he was shrieking and jerking in his chair, jerking so hard in fact that his ankle snapped because of the chain that was holding him there.

the people who were tortured in that prison will live the rest of theeir life in shame, they will never be able to return home again (these pictures were sent to their villages); many will probably kill themselves (they are taught that it is better to die than be subjected to this heresy). not torture? this shit was authorized by good old rumsfeld, and they got stupid fucking soldiers to do the dirty work for them.

these people have a way of life, a culture, and they DO NOT want our western world infiltrating. these people HATE us so much they are willing to strap bombs on themselves. wouldnt it be best if we hadn't just listened to them, and teh rest of the world for that matter (we went against the fucking UN), and stayed out?

our government and its doctrine of 'preemptive strike' is ridicuous and ignorant, and you are simply one of the pawns to do their dirty work.

and i would never, ever trust what the mainstream media tells us, how dare you assume i would. the media has only been showing the war in a negative light recently; remember, bush already declared victory in iraq in 2003!!! the media was all for invading then, even showing us pictures of the secret labs where they kept 'weapons of mass destruction'. this war has disgusted me since it began.

i can't change your mind. the point is, war is ugly and completely unnecessary. you may support the military now, feel that sick sense of pride well up inside of you as you pull on their uniform.

But when you one day have kids, will you want to tell them about seeing the whites of that iraqi man's eyes as you blew a hole in his head?

it's sick, all of it, a sick institution.

honestly, how can you pull on that uniform and not feel like a brainless conformist cow? they make you march around, scream at you what to do and when to do it. how can you stand this?

immersionwarning (all this is for you): I dont read mainstream media, I read other news these days.

How can I put on my uniform and not feel like a brainless conformist? My instructors are encouraging me to think. They encourage us to think, yet maintain military bearing.

When you see troops marching down the road, eyes cold as ice, moving as one, that is military bearing, and discipline you see. Each one of us has a heart, we feel emotions. We are as human as you are. Each one of us has/had a mother, a father, and we all have our troubles, and our pleasures. Many of the youth you see, many of the men fighting this war, are just in reality, still teenagers. We miss our home, our friends, our family.

But the difference between us and you, is we chose to stand up for something. And when my kids asked me what I did, when terrorists were trying to bring my country to its knees, I dont have to say "Well son, I felt patriotism for a month, then sat there and gripped about it" like you are doing. I can look him in the eye and say "Son, when I watched my country fall under attack, and saw that my country needed me, I answered the call, so that you may one day, live in free and in peace, so that you may sleep sound at night."

I stand for all the bullshit I go through, because it brings me great pride when people come up and thank me for my service. You have no idea how great that feeling is until it happens to you, and then you push yourself harder so you dont let those people down. And then you work even harder not to let your shipmates/comrades down, so that one day when you need their help, they dont let you down.

That! Is how everyday I put on my uniform, smile, and deal with the loads of bullshit. Because I am proud of what I'm doing, and what I'm about to do. Just like I'm proud to defend your hippie ass.

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quote:Originally posted by DesertRebel:

immersionwarning (all this is for you): I dont read mainstream media, I read other news these days.

How can I put on my uniform and not feel like a brainless conformist? My instructors are encouraging me to think. They encourage us to think, yet maintain military bearing.

When you see troops marching down the road, eyes cold as ice, moving as one, that is military bearing, and discipline you see. Each one of us has a heart, we feel emotions. We are as human as you are. Each one of us has/had a mother, a father, and we all have our troubles, and our pleasures. Many of the youth you see, many of the men fighting this war, are just in reality, still teenagers. We miss our home, our friends, our family.

But the difference between us and you, is we chose to stand up for something. And when my kids asked me what I did, when terrorists were trying to bring my country to its knees, I dont have to say "Well son, I felt patriotism for a month, then sat there and gripped about it" like you are doing. I can look him in the eye and say "Son, when I watched my country fall under attack, and saw that my country needed me, I answered the call, so that you may one day, live in free and in peace, so that you may sleep sound at night."

I stand for all the bullshit I go through, because it brings me great pride when people come up and thank me for my service. You have no idea how great that feeling is until it happens to you, and then you push yourself harder so you dont let those people down. And then you work even harder not to let your shipmates/comrades down, so that one day when you need their help, they dont let you down.

That! Is how everyday I put on my uniform, smile, and deal with the loads of bullshit. Because I am proud of what I'm doing, and what I'm about to do. Just like I'm proud to defend your hippie ass.



i like you.

but you are completely wrong.

first off, america has never been 'brought to it's knees'- two buildings were detonated from the inside and a hole was blown through the pentagon by what looks like a rocket. then suddenly....TERRORISTS!!! THE TERRORISTS ARE EVERYWHERE!!! scare tactics; suddenly we're in "code orange", "code yellow"....reminiscent of the communist scare.

and second, and most importantly, even if America was attacked by terrorists, THESE TERRORISTS ARE IN NO WAY RELATED TO IRAQ. iraq is a completely different country from Afghanistan, where al quada was said to be located, or Saudi Arabia, where Osama Bin Laden is from (the Bin Ladin family is actually a familly friend of the Bush dynasty!) . the bush administration has alterior motives and has levied on America's ignorance, tieing the whole middle east together so that they can do whatever they want. you have fallen victim to this. you have been LIED TO so that you will do as you are told.



war is a business. it makes money for those top execs at halliburton (which will probably be siphoned into Bush's bank account when he leaves the presidency). and who pays for this war!? tax payers! so i am paying for each 5 dollar bullet that is shot into someones head? I am paying for the million dollar war jets?

i respect you, you sound like a very decent human being. but if you were to question the legitimacy of what you are doing and saw the truth as it was, there is no way you would stay in the army.

yes, they may encourage you to think, but you are expected to do as you are told.

and yes, the military is composed in large by teenagers. dont you find it odd that you can hold a gun and die for your country at 18, but can't even drink until you're 21?

quote:Originally posted by immersionwarning:

war is a business. it makes money for those top execs at halliburton (which will probably be siphoned into Bush's bank account when he leaves the presidency). and who pays for this war!? tax payers!

and yes, the military is composed in large by teenagers. dont you find it odd that you can hold a gun and die for your country at 18, but can't even drink until you're 21?

I can't say every cent we pay in taxes goes somewhere that needs it more than somewhere else. I don't have that data. Don't like it? Move out of the US.

But I don't make blind accusations about 9/11 and make myself sound like an idiot barking about oil economics, and crying about legal age limts. Even legal adults do dumb shit while boozed up.

Take this shit to Bitch and Moan, or get back on topic.

quote:Originally posted by immersionwarning:

you failed miserably at 'ripping' my post apart. http://onl ine.wsj.co m/public/a rticle/SB1 1605289678 7288831-vC 7aTW_yBMRh yuASs_NxsD 37fhA_20071011.html

really, only 60K?

http ://www.sta te.gov/p/n ea/rls/196 75.htm (http: //www.stat e.gov/p/ne a/rls/1967 5.htm)

i dont really believe this one, as it is information recived from us govt, but still...we killed 6x as many as he did, even if we believe these bullshit numbers.



and no i have not witnessed first hadn the war in iraq, but i have seen the horrible situation that has occured due to america and other fucking aggressor nations who feel they can do whatever the fuck they want to. my mothers afghani, was a part of the cabinent member there for a short time and i went to afghanistan shortly after OPERATION 'SHOCK AND AWE' started in iraq. theyd bombed kabul shortly before this, and my god it was the most tragic thing i have ever seen. then again, afghanistan has always been in shambles, for the last 40 years at least due to russian invasion, etc. but you think they want your military presence there? you think you are doing anything to benefit the people in that area? they have said themselves, they would rather be left alone, yet somebody 'up there' is pushing idiots like you out into somebody elses land to fulfill some secret agenda. its fucked.

eh im done talking, i wont get anywhere with you militaristic bastards.



I know the study your quoting and its underfire even the iraqi government says its bullshit.

quote:Originally posted by immersionwarning:

you obviously dont understand these people.

they are deathly against dogs (its very against religion); they get dogs to run near them, get the people naked and put collars on them then take pictures.

these people are deathly against seeing a naked womans body. they chain a completly innocent man to the chair and get a female private to take her clothes off rub against him in her panties and reach her hand into her underwear, where she has put red ink to mimic menstural blood, and rub it in his face. do you know what this man did? he was shrieking and jerking in his chair, jerking so hard in fact that his ankle snapped because of the chain that was holding him there.

the people who were tortured in that prison will live the rest of theeir life in shame, they will never be able to return home again (these pictures were sent to their villages); many will probably kill themselves (they are taught that it is better to die than be subjected to this heresy). not torture? this shit was authorized by good old rumsfeld, and they got stupid fucking soldiers to do the dirty work for them.

these people have a way of life, a culture, and they DO NOT want our western world infiltrating. these people HATE us so much they are willing to strap bombs on themselves. wouldnt it be best if we hadn't just listened to them, and teh rest of the world for that matter (we went against the fucking UN), and stayed out?

our government and its doctrine of 'preemptive strike' is ridicuous and ignorant, and you are simply one of the pawns to do their dirty work.

and i would never, ever trust what the mainstream media tells us, how dare you assume i would. the media has only been showing the war in a negative light recently; remember, bush already declared victory in iraq in 2003!!! the media was all for invading then, even showing us pictures of the secret labs where they kept 'weapons of mass destruction'. this war has disgusted me since it began.

i can't change your mind. the point is, war is ugly and completely unnecessary. you may support the military now, feel that sick sense of pride well up inside of you as you pull on their uniform.

But when you one day have kids, will you want to tell them about seeing the whites of that iraqi man's eyes as you blew a hole in his head?

it's sick, all of it, a sick institution.

honestly, how can you pull on that uniform and not feel like a brainless conformist cow? they make you march around, scream at you what to do and when to do it. how can you stand this?

Heh.

You really have no idea do you.

EDIT: Oh and about that Abu gabir whatever prison where those arabs got tortured. Arnt they the enemy?. Are they not prisoners?. Are they not dirty fucking Muslim cunts?.

I say we should just smear them all in pig blood then shoot them.

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I hate the war, but I love soldiers.

Cheers,

Lost

Would anyone find it tacky if I were to get a military uni and pose as a soldier?

You realize how easy and often I could get laid?

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quote:Originally posted by AprenticeChemistBITCHS:

protecting freedom

quote:Army National Guard

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

The national guard isn't being used as it was created to do.

It's being sent into the middle east and so forth.

The national guard is for national disasters and homeland security.

eeerggghhh wrong the national gaurd was created to boost our standing army durring a time of war. Its trained soldiers in reserve. Durring WWII our active duty army was about 200 thousand soldiers 40 thousand marines then sailors. When the national gaurd was called up we where boosted to 500 thousand soldiers. Thats there use.

quote:Originally posted by StealthyRacoons:

eeerggghhh wrong the national gaurd was created to boost our standing army durring a time of war. Its trained soldiers in reserve. Durring WWII our active duty army was about 200 thousand soldiers 40 thousand marines then sailors. When the national gaurd was called up we where boosted to 500 thousand soldiers. Thats there use.

Actually the national guard WAS our first army, do you think that there was just an United States army to fight the British? No it was State militias(or national guard), National Guard is like a state militia hence why when I took my oath I pledged alligance to the govonor of ******** as well as President of the United States. Now its used to boost the military.

As for immersionwarning id say Desertrebel did good enough on pretty much everything except one part. WHO the fuck do you think made the drinking age lower? Peice of shit soccer moms and the like that and the VOTERS, its not like the government was all of a sudden like "Hmm lets lower age". If the government was all about money then they would have kept it at 21 since they tax alcohol so they would be making MORE money if it was 21 because many more would be buying alcohol. But yes I do feel its fucked up that I can pick up a rifle and fight for my country yet not take a legal sip of alcohol, but hey theres a lot better things I could do then drink.

As for when I go to Iraq, if I end up having to shoot someone which could very well happen as im Infantry(I didnt want the fancier jobs not just to dumb for them). I won't tell my son, most people that do kill won't talk about it because its NOT something you just talk about. Obviously I wouldn't want to kill but if I had to then I would and if my son asks, then if im able to I might tell him but I would probably just tell him not to ask about it.

Note: Not to many of us 18-20 year olds agree with the 21st ammendment, as we feel if we are old enough to vote, die, and save lives, then damnit, we want our beer.

Though in the USN, underage drinking in foreign port is subject to foreign law and the ships command.

Steel Beach Picnics are also great from what I hear. 45 days at sea, and all sailors get two beers. (Yes, I said all )

And since we want to keep this a S&A thread, I shall now give my sex advice.

Ahem: While foreign hookers maybe cheap, please visually check what your about to fuck. If it dont look right, dont fuck and find a cleaner whore.

This all goes for all whores/sluts/prostitutes/women in general.

If it dont look right, dont fuck it! Invest another $2 and find a better slut!

Oh and for the love of god, dont fuck in places you know your not suppose to fuck in. There is a reason why people dont fuck there.

quote:Originally posted by StealthyRacoons:



And the millitary encourages free thinking as a marine i am forced to take certain amount of college courses to gain rank(varies per rank). Not only that leadership and free thinking is demanded of you. You are given general orders and each lvl decides how to cary out there level. If you think a order is unlawful then challenge it.

You know nothing about the iraqi conflict nor have been there all your information is probally from moveon.org which has more bullshit then republicans and even baghdad bob.

Shut your mouth you annoying highschool emo..

You're a Marine? I was. Major, went to Mass Maratime and then OCS and went in as 2LT commissioned. Pretty sweet. Whats your MOS?

1345 HE Operator, Sir. You went to Massachusett Maratime. I considered going there since i lived in the state. But i decided to join USMCR to see if i wanted a commision. Are you still in the Corps Sir? Though its not offical I might be deploying this fall to eather Africa or Iraq.

Semper Fi, Sir!

I for one, like my class A's. I need to get a smaller jacket though so my curves are more visible I just hate having my hair in a bun. and my pants aren't as tight as I would like them. Other than that I think I look okay. The guys look really sharp though, I like it.

quote:Originally posted by RogueWarheart:

Would anyone find it tacky if I were to get a military uni and pose as a soldier?

You realize how easy and often I could get laid?



Yea that would be really uncool, especially if you were going to be using that your goign to be getting deployed overseas soon to like iraq to help it. I mean you'd get laid hell of easy but it would be just not right.

And as for the uniforms being hot and sexy id say even on girls they can be I went to fix my ID card the other day and the lady at the gate that checked my id to let me on was SMOKING hot especially in that uniform. And the girl that helps with the id's same thing, they look damn good in the uniform.

quote:Originally posted by RogueWarheart:

Would anyone find it tacky if I were to get a military uni and pose as a soldier?



Would you be posing with your gun cocked and loaded?

quote:Originally posted by AprenticeChemistBITCHS:

Yea that would be really uncool, especially if you were going to be using that your goign to be getting deployed overseas soon to like iraq to help it. I mean you'd get laid hell of easy but it would be just not right.

And as for the uniforms being hot and sexy id say even on girls they can be I went to fix my ID card the other day and the lady at the gate that checked my id to let me on was SMOKING hot especially in that uniform. And the girl that helps with the id's same thing, they look damn good in the uniform.



Ya my Detachment is based in an AFB and those ghirls are fucking hot. Why can't the marine girls i get deployed with be that fucking hot.

I quickly scrolled through this thread, didn't find any pictures, and was thoroughly disappointed.

I find women in military uniforms sexy..

especially nazi/commie ones

Your uniform does not impress me.

It's funny, women in the military are either buttugly or fine as hell.

Steel beach picnics suck. Trust me, 45 days at sea is hell. The one I was at (CVN-73, '04), no beer was served. I guess it's an old tradition that's dying away since the Navy is trying to be PC and get rid of the rowdy sailor image. I've heard non-alcoholic beer is served on others.

Yeah, foreign hookers are nothing special unless you haven't been laid in a month or two. You can get one for like $100 over there, but the locals pay like $20. Just wash your nuts after you get done.

And watch out, hookers are theives too! One tried to take a gold necklace from me, and my buddy caught one taking money from his pants pocket. He beat the shit out of her for it.

I personally plan to join the United States Marine Corps on the off chance that I be awarded a sword for my actions in Tripoli.

That's an unusual reason to join the service. I'm sure we do some things in Tripoli, but really nothing much at all. Not like we have an ongoing war there.

Heh, a friend of mine hates the Navy because he says "for the last year and a half all I've been is a janitor". If you're not tasked with any rate/MOS, you're cleanup bitch. Accelerate your life my ass.

I also know a pilot who hates his job. An O-3, yes, hates his job. I laughed when he told me and some other people he hates the Navy because they 'tricked' him into signing on 9 years of his life.

He's a cool guy, not an especially great pilot though. He's wrecked like four jets off the top of my head.

quote:Originally posted by Soda_Can_Sniper:

That's an unusual reason to join the service. I'm sure we do some things in Tripoli, but really nothing much at all. Not like we have an ongoing war there.



IT WAS FOR Lt. PRESLY O'BANNON YOU SON OF A BITCH!

A girl made out with me just cos I said I was in the TA.