Just wondering...

My girlfriend, who is a minor Christin, has vowed to not lose her virginity until marriage. We are both crazy horny but I still respect her limits because I care a lot for her.

We both still do a lot of shit, but we haven't gotten to oral yet, and it was brought up the other day. She was wondering if it was.

I don't consider it sex because it's not home base, but what do I know...

Consult Jesus.

You're not a black metal fan by chance are you?

I am not a big fan of fanatic religions. Though not all Christians are fanatics by any means, it just turns me off. Idk, I am one of the happiest people I know, and have a great outlook on life and everything. But I am not a very religious person.

But I used to be, so I can tit for tat with any Christian that tries to lie to me by making up stuff and saying that it's in the bible.

In most people's eyes, a virgin who has performed oral sex is still a virgin, if this answers your question.

We're talking about God's eyes man.

quote:Originally posted by Toothlessjoe:

We're talking about God's eyes man.

roflwaflez

if you havent even gotten to oral, then what exactly do you mean when you say youve done a whole lot of other shit?

quote:Originally posted by plehem12:

if you havent even gotten to oral, then what exactly do you mean when you say youve done a whole lot of other shit?

They write down dirty thoughts and mail them to each other. Duh.

errr, there are people out there who are saving it for marriage, so to speak. and they have anal sex. don't really understand their logic, but hey. might be good to find out about.

then there's the other extreme - people who believe that if you're "abstinent," you shouldn't even be masturbating.

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quote:Originally posted by plehem12:

if you havent even gotten to oral, then what exactly do you mean when you say youve done a whole lot of other shit?

Everything but oral and sex.

so basically what toothlessjoe said?

have u fingered her? has she givin u a hand job? have u fingered an a-hole or what lol. we dont know what "shit means". OH AND I FORGOT have u both masterbated with/without the other person present? and have u seen eachother naked?

vargv. this is how i see it as a catholic, no i am not a die hard. but in the churhc's eyes what you are doing know, even masturbation is sex, it is sex with yourself. the church says that that stuff shouldnt even take place ever, in the church's eyes fore play is another means of contraception. in laymans terms you are wasting your baby making juice. but I dont consider it sex. just dont go to far. its good you respect her, no matter what anyone says you are a real gentlemen.

vagina=sex. Bj, handjob, jerkin it, fingering another, eating out= other alternatives to sex. anal idk realy but im going to say anal=anal. its not sex but its nothing else ether i would say

She's not a Catholic or any other strict following, she's pretty chill for the most part. When we were first together alone, she was talking about how she can't control what she does. Like once she gets started she can;t stop. I was her first everything pretty much so I don't know how she knew that, but it was pretty much right.

The thing she was trying to say when we first met really got to me, it was the kinda, "You're not a Christian so I can't trust what you're gonna do." Kinda thing. But we talked it over and worked stuff out. I think I have more morals than some faggie non-Christian guys, they're more calling themselves Christians than anything.

Yea, we've seen each other naked and stuff, pretty much everything Ravenman said.

Clinton says "no".

God also says don;t touch your women. I think thats in Corinthians. She is a minor christian, as you state, so chances are oral will be just peachy.

Oral is great fun, too. Probably more fun than sex before your married, beucase you're pretty much guarenteed no unwanted byproducts. Like babies. Some people do the sex thing and then get awkward around each other and it all goes to hell. Stay away, I'd suggest. No such qualms for oral.

explane to her that when her relgion started, which would be hundreds of years ago. people got maried in the 12-15 age range. which ironicly is when the human race goes through puberty and you start to develop sexual feelings. but we are in present day and whats changed is that we get get married in the 18 to whenever age range. so when her religion started it was a resonable act to wait till marrige because the time span from when you reach puberty then marrige is not that far apart (and because no one wants to get stoned to death). but in our day it is a unreasonable thing to try to acomplish. you are just supressing natural urges which it doesnt make any sense why someone would do that, espesialy when the concept of waiting was developed so long ago. so basicly, some aspects of religion are outdated.

sorry for poor spelling etc.

Never thought about that seriously.

quote:Originally posted by the_mail_man:

explane to her that when her relgion started, which would be hundreds of years ago.

I lol'd, then I stopped reading.

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

I lol'd, then I stopped reading.

hahaha if i was you i proboly would have stoped reading too. i am a horible speller and really lazy. so its not like im going to look up the word, especially for a forum.

edit- also im tired and could care less right now, so im not even really puting any effort into spelling

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quote:Originally posted by the_mail_man:

Originally posted by arquin:

I lol'd, then I stopped reading.

hahaha if i was you i proboly would have stoped reading too. i am a horible speller and really lazy. so its not like im going to look up the word, especially for a forum.

i really shouldn't point it out, since it makes it less funny, but someone's bound to do it.

he was laughing at the fact that you said religion started SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS AGO. lol.

Yeah, oral sex is sex. That's why it's called oral sex. However, a virgin is defined by vaginal intercourse, which excludes anal and oral sex.

And anyway, unless God is talking to you directly, there's no point in holding out. Marriage these days is a joke. Divorce rates are well over 50% in the US.

However, don't pressure her to do anything she isn't comfortable with. Respect is very important. Keep in mind that if not her, then another girl. Best of luck.

quote:Originally posted by the_mail_man:

hahaha if i was you i proboly would have stoped reading too. i am a horible speller and really lazy. so its not like im going to look up the word, especially for a forum.

I didn't stop reading because of spelling. I stopped reading because you said religion was formed hundreds of years ago.

That's kind of like me saying the earth was formed dozens of years ago. Sure, it's true, but it's also so horribly wrong.

*edit*

Thankyou lauren

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quote:Originally posted by the_mail_man:

explane to her that when her relgion started, which would be hundreds of years ago.

Actually, Lauren, he's correct. Protestantism is only a few hundred years old, and most likely her branch of it isn't more than 200 years old at most. Christianity in its oldest form would be roughly 2000 years old, however, that's called Catholicism, and it's distinct from the Protestant sects in many ways.

God doesnt really give a shit about preserving you phyisiologically.

He's more worried about you keeping yourself pure and chaste. Oral sex is considerably less then chaste.

And no, I'm not a christian. Christians, including your girl, are hippocrates.

quote:Originally posted by SilentMind:

God doesnt really give a shit about preserving you phyisiologically.

He's more worried about you keeping yourself pure and chaste. Oral sex is considerably less then chaste.

And no, I'm not a christian. Christians, including your girl, are hippocrates.

You know the mind of God? How can you, a mere mortal, fathom the infinite?

That's hypocritical.

quote:Originally posted by Fanglekai:

Actually, Lauren, he's correct. Protestantism is only a few hundred years old, and most likely her branch of it isn't more than 200 years old at most. Christianity in its oldest form would be roughly 2000 years old, however, that's called Catholicism, and it's distinct from the Protestant sects in many ways.

Oh, I know when Protestanism was formed. I didn't catch the "her," but it was funny nonetheless.

quote:Originally posted by Fanglekai:

Actually, Lauren, he's correct. Protestantism is only a few hundred years old, and most likely her branch of it isn't more than 200 years old at most. Christianity in its oldest form would be roughly 2000 years old, however, that's called Catholicism, and it's distinct from the Protestant sects in many ways.

Christians are christians. They have slight variations, but in the end they all follow the same set of rules. Those rules are more than 2000 years old.

Does it satisfy the urge?

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

Christians are christians. They have slight variations, but in the end they all follow the same set of rules. Those rules are more than 2000 years old.

yes, christianity and catholicism did evolve from judaism

quote:Originally posted by Fanglekai:

You know the mind of God? How can you, a mere mortal, fathom the infinite?

That's hypocritical.

quote:Originally posted by SilentMind:



I'm not a christian.

Thats how.

quote:Originally posted by Fanglekai:

You know the mind of God? How can you, a mere mortal, fathom the infinite?

That's hypocritical.

Gos is immortal and all powerful, right?

Could he will himself to die/not exist?

He's obviously lying about something.

honestly, I've never believed in the "base system". to me, it's all sex. but hell, if her definition is different and she can bend it a bit in order to give you head,

go for it! if you need to ask...

to me, you loose your virginity with penetration, not oral, but i do know people who think even fondling makes you loose your virginity...

I dont think w should even consider seeing it in eyes of god as he doesnt exicst (spelling?), if he did then why are there kids getting killed in gang wars, why are there drugs? Why wasnt Saddam Husseins regime stopped? if he is all-mighty then fucking show me a miracle then i might believe it, you cannot inflatuate us by saying mere mortal, every living perosn is a mortal, even jesus was, and he was "his" fucking son.

quote:Originally posted by Toothlessjoe:

Consult Jesus.

This gave me the giggles

You are a virgin if you believe you are. One persons definition of virginity can be different to another.

quote:Originally posted by Mantikore:

You are a virgin if you believe you are. One persons definition of virginity can be different to another.



yes, thank you. I completely agree. well, as long as it's within reason. nobody should be "losing their virginity" from kissing

www.sexinchrist.com (http://www.sexinchrist.com)

I'm gonna be religious too and then break the rules because I'm not hardcore religious so they don't apply to me. Makes a lotta fucking sense right there huh. Have fun burning in hell hypocrits. Agreeing to follow the rules and claiming the rulebook is outdated won't make it better

quote:Originally posted by arquin:

Christians are christians. They have slight variations, but in the end they all follow the same set of rules. Those rules are more than 2000 years old.

They don't follow the same set of rules. Catholicism is not the same as Methodism which is not the same as Mormonism which is not the same as Pentecostals. Catholics are not allowed to masturbate, get drunk, have sex outside of marriage, think about women in a sexual manner, and countless other things. I know Methodists who think it's ok to masturbate and don't go to church. For Catholics not going to mass once a week is a mortal sin and you go to hell for it if you don't repent and do penance. I know a Mormon who won't drink green tea because "caffeine is evil." Catholics don't believe that, and most sects of christianity don't either. I know a Pentecostal who doesn't believe in evolution, dinosaurs, or rational thought. All the Catholics I know believe in evolution and science. Yeah, they're not the same. The only thing held in common is a belief in Jesus being the messiah. That's about it.

Anyway, my view is that people shouldn't base their lives around religions. Sex is just body parts moving together. I don't know why there has to be such a huge deal about it. If you want oral sex, get oral sex. If you want to fuck her, make the attempt. OP, you need to do what you want to do, but you need to make sure she's comfortable with it. If she isn't, find a new girl. If you corrupt her she'll feel guilty, and probably give you better sex for it, but that's kinda fucked up. You're probably better off finding a new girl, OP.

quote:Originally posted by SilentMind:

Thats how.

:/ I'm kind of disappointed. I had hoped you were a self-righteous Bible thumper so I could have a good laugh at your response. This doesn't really give me that satisfaction.

quote:Originally posted by Toothlessjoe:

Consult Jesus.

You're not a black metal fan by chance are you?

Yeah i saw the name and went BURZUM!!!! GAHAHAH

I dislike burzum cept for the filospem album.

quote:Originally posted by BleedMeAnOcean:

Yeah i saw the name and went BURZUM!!!! GAHAHAH

I dislike burzum cept for the filospem album.

? I came up with my own name. Some Metal is good but I don't listen to a lot of it.

She "promised to god" that she would be a virgin till she's married.

Yes I know Christians are hypocrites, but aren't we all? We just don't feel as guilty... Lol, But then again neither do most Christian teenagers.

Well in the bible it says its WRONG to waste sperm, meaning sexual pleasure from other then trying to concive a baby. So by the bibles definition any orgasms would be wrong and a sin. Now it doesnt say what is considered sex but just so you know its all a sin in gods eyes. And no im very UNreligious as im an atheist but ive read some of the bible as im not just an IGNORANT close minded dumb fuck like most people when it comes to religion.

In my opinion as long as you dont stick your dick in her pussy its not loosing her virginty.

quote:Originally posted by AprenticeChemistBITCHS:

Well in the bible it says its WRONG to waste sperm, meaning sexual pleasure from other then trying to concive a baby. So by the bibles definition any orgasms would be wrong and a sin. Now it doesnt say what is considered sex but just so you know its all a sin in gods eyes.

I have never seen or heard that in the bible. I have heard that Catholics think that but they make up a lot of stuff.

quote:Originally posted by Vargv:

I have never seen or heard that in the bible. I have heard that Catholics think that but they make up a lot of stuff.

Theres a bit in there about seed spilling.

If there is a single letter in the bible you can guarantee it will be abused/used in 100000 different ways by everyone.

quote:Originally posted by Bazzle:

Theres a bit in there about seed spilling.

If there is a single letter in the bible you can guarantee it will be abused/used in 100000 different ways by everyone.

Yea if you read in the bible it talks about how god doesn't like it when your seed is spilt upon the earth or what ever and that your seed should only be spread for the birth of a newborn blah blah blah. I read it a few years ago when I read the bible some to see whats up with it and all so i can't quote it exactly. But it mentions how god doesnt like your seed(sperm) being spilt on earth. And the way its read it gives the impression that it means that he doesnt like sperm to be wasted meaning not trying to make a baby. Hence why it would mean oral and other forms of sex except for procreation would be bad in gods eyes.

But hey like I said im not relgious in the least bit. I say go ahead and fuck all you want just make sure you use protection and don't let your dick fall off or make a baby till your ready unless you want an abortion. I wasn't trying to be preachy in my last post I was just saying what id think god would want if he was real from reading his book. Great book and a really great guy if you ask me I think we should bring back the old ways kids would be a lot disrespectful if we stoned them to death for talking back, or we stoned people for pretty much any little thing the world would be such a nicer place. Praise god for getting people stoned haha.

quote:Originally posted by AprenticeChemistBITCHS:

Well in the bible it says its WRONG to waste sperm, meaning sexual pleasure from other then trying to concive a baby.

Yeah, thats right "Spilling a seed". However, isn't this completely contradicted by menstruation?

So women have the advantage, they can play with themselves all they want because they don't loose their "seed".