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 #1 
Old 2006-10-16, 23:19
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Default Looks like she had the last laugh...or did she?

Blah.. you fucks probably know the shit thats been going on between my and my girl..

Saturday I found out that shes been lying to me for 6 months, and i never was her first. It was someone on the basketball team (black) fallowed by more guys from the team, fallowed by a few football players, fallowed by random guys at clubs, fallowed by some guy at her work (while we were going out). Im sure threesomes took place aswell.

Im not as upset as i though i would be. Oh well, a month from now she will just be a old memory. But for now, shes close to killing herself. I was the only love she ever had, and she fucked it up. I know how she feels, and it puts a smile on my face. Im only mad that nobody told me this before, shes been lying to me for 6 months, and just now i hear about this.
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Old 2006-10-16, 23:40
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That's rough. Why does she feel bad?

Could she supply any reasons for lieing?

[This message has been edited by Euda (edited 10-16-2006).]
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Old 2006-10-16, 23:44
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The team ? , jesus i thought that was a cliche slut ...

Seriously that sounds pretty harsh but perhaps she lied to you because she really liked you and wanted to be with you .

just think about things for a while before acting
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Old 2006-10-16, 23:46
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Did you take her anal cherry?
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Old 2006-10-16, 23:50
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You saying that the first guy was black is petty and immature of you. It also generally detracts from your credibility.

Anyway, yes that's shitty and dirty of her. If I were you I'd pull even further away from her to watch her shrivel into a pathetic, sobbing lump of flesh. And the whole "close to killing herself" thing is bullshit just like it is 99% of the time; she only wants to pawn her pain off on you.
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Old 2006-10-17, 00:00
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quote:Originally posted by y4m4:

You saying that the first guy was black is petty and immature of you. It also generally detracts from your credibility.

Anyway, yes that's shitty and dirty of her. If I were you I'd pull even further away from her to watch her shrivel into a pathetic, sobbing lump of flesh. And the whole "close to killing herself" thing is bullshit just like it is 99% of the time; she only wants to pawn her pain off on you.

I'd get closer to her then take a big metaphorical shit on her chest.
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Old 2006-10-17, 00:11
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quote:Originally posted by xRadical_Wankerx:

Blah.. you fucks probably know the shit thats been going on between my and my girl..

Saturday I found out that shes been lying to me for 6 months, and i never was her first. It was someone on the basketball team (black) fallowed by more guys from the team, fallowed by a few football players, fallowed by random guys at clubs, fallowed by some guy at her work (while we were going out). Im sure threesomes took place aswell.

Im not as upset as i though i would be. Oh well, a month from now she will just be a old memory. But for now, shes close to killing herself. I was the only love she ever had, and she fucked it up. I know how she feels, and it puts a smile on my face. Im only mad that nobody told me this before, shes been lying to me for 6 months, and just now i hear about this.

Goddamnit that bitch sounds evil, disgusting and selfish.

Cheating is pathetic. To not have the balls to tell the person you're with that you want to fuck other people is laaame.

Also, she was selfish for fucking all those people, and possibly fucking them whilst she was with you, with no concern or thought of the diseases she could have spread to you.

What a selfish cunt.



It's good that she's heartbroken though, that's atleast a little comfort to you. And atleast you know for sure rather than having been left in the dark.



How did you find out, anyway?
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Old 2006-10-17, 00:13
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quote:Originally posted by Jewbacca:

I'd get closer to her then take a big metaphorical shit on her chest.



Or even better, take her back, talk her into letting you shit on her chest and then take a big metaphorical shit on her chest.



[This message has been edited by y4m4 (edited 10-17-2006).]
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Old 2006-10-17, 00:17
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Her best friend told me, i didnt believe it, so they got on 3way with me on the other line (my gf didnt know) and i heard it for myself..



[This message has been edited by xRadical_Wankerx (edited 10-17-2006).]
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Old 2006-10-17, 00:19
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Promiscuity is HAWT!
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Old 2006-10-17, 01:03
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quote:Originally posted by y4m4:

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Or even better, take her back, talk her into letting you shit on her chest and then take a big metaphorical shit on her chest.



A man after my own heart.
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Old 2006-10-17, 01:17
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Jesus fuck man, do not trust that girl. Just don't. I've never heard of anyone that slutty (apart from in fiction) in my entire life.

Do. Not. Trust. A. Word. She. Says.
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Old 2006-10-17, 02:08
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well i guess you could say she is a "team" player
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Old 2006-10-17, 02:25
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quote:Originally posted by Dorian:

well i guess you could say she is a "team" player

I Lol'd so fucking hard. . .
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Old 2006-10-17, 02:30
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quote:Originally posted by Dorian:

well i guess you could say she is a "team" player

haha..
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Old 2006-10-17, 02:38
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quote:Originally posted by inverted:

Seriously that sounds pretty harsh but perhaps she lied to you because she really liked you and wanted to be with you .

just think about things for a while before acting



Bullshit. Nothing justifies that. You were right to dump that bitch, and if you havent yet- do so.
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Old 2006-10-17, 02:59
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quote:Originally posted by XHippie HunterX:



Bullshit. Nothing justifies that. You were right to dump that bitch, and if you havent yet- do so.

This guy knows where it's at.
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Old 2006-10-17, 04:00
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omg what a slut dam skank man why are you even with her, slap her and dump her throught the ANSWERING MACHINE
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Old 2006-10-17, 05:08
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EDIT: I found out by her best friend putting us on three way without her knowing that i was listening, and i heard them talking about it.



FUUUUUUCKKKKK!!!!!!!!!

After 2 days of feeling like utter shit, and makeing her feel even worse... all this shit might not be true..

i just got a call saying that her friend likes me, and it wasnt her on the phone.. fuck, i might've messed up here.. quiet alot of people now think shes a whore..

what the fuck am i gonne do??

[This message has been edited by xRadical_Wankerx (edited 10-17-2006).]
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Old 2006-10-17, 05:10
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You're getting massive played here, from every direction. Trust nobody, and find the truth.
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Old 2006-10-17, 05:11
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SHIT! So now i guess some of this shit is true? Shes hooked up with guys, but never fucked them? Not that is for sure either...

That wouldnt bother me though, if shes only kissed a few guys..

AHHH FUCK THIS! *pulls out colt 45, aims into mouth*
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Old 2006-10-17, 05:13
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quote:Originally posted by HandOfZek:

Promiscuity is HAWT!
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Old 2006-10-17, 05:15
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quote:Originally posted by xRadical_Wankerx:

EDIT: I found out by her best friend putting us on three way without her knowing that i was listening, and i heard them talking about it.



FUUUUUUCKKKKK!!!!!!!!!

After 2 days of feeling like utter shit, and makeing her feel even worse... all this shit might not be true..

i just got a call saying that her friend likes me, and it wasnt her on the phone.. fuck, i might've messed up here.. quiet alot of people now think shes a whore..

what the fuck am i gonne do??



You don't know your own gfs voice on the phone? wtf?



And fuck her, she still LIED.
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Old 2006-10-17, 05:19
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quote:Originally posted by mr.surprise:

You don't know your own gfs voice on the phone? wtf?



And fuck her, she still LIED.

I do! im also second guessing whether this sourse is full of shit, and it really was her. True, she did lie.. but everyone fucks up; though if she lied to cover up thats shes fucked all these guys it done.

fuck.. i dont know what to do..

i talked to her last night and all she kept saying was that its all not true, but ive heard her saying that shes believed to be pregnant back before we went out. This could have been one of her boyfriends though.

Are you guys following or am i caught up in myself?

[This message has been edited by xRadical_Wankerx (edited 10-17-2006).]
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Old 2006-10-17, 06:25
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Dude, did you pop her cherry? Couldn't you tell if she was a virgin? Am I crazy for being surprised that no one asked this? I mean, if she did all you think she did then she couldn't be tight at all...
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Old 2006-10-17, 06:51
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quote:Originally posted by Goya Bean:

Dude, did you pop her cherry? Couldn't you tell if she was a virgin? Am I crazy for being surprised that no one asked this? I mean, if she did all you think she did then she couldn't be tight at all...

You don't know anything about vaginas.

Anyway, RW, a good idea would be to calm down and detach yourself from your feelings for her. It sounds like you're going crazy here, and frankly you're not dealing with it well.

Fall back onto rationalisation. You do not love this girl. You will not do absolutely anything for her. This is not a fairytale.

She is your girlfriend, and things are extremely complex right now. You don't know who to believe, and you don't know who to trust. I don't blame you.

For my money, I'd bail. These are primary school games +1 (sex). You don't need that shit, look at what it's doing to your head? Bail, and don't touch her friend either. Let neither of them win. That way, you save yourself a lot of trouble, and she'll come crawling back anyway.

Also, ask people you trust if they know anything. But only people you trust.
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Old 2006-10-17, 06:54
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She told me thats she had sex with 1 of he 2 boyfriends, and it more forced then wanted. But then she why would she always think she was pregnant?

She was tight when we first had sex, and it did hurt her alot, but am i ridiculous if i say that i wouldnt doubt if she faked that too?

BUT! This whole slut thing apperently happend last year, except for the rumor about her doing it at work. So if hasnt had sex since then, it wouldve tightend back up.

Im in over my head. Shes just a girl, why am i going to out of my way...

EDIT: Thanks stab, i needed that. Problem is, the people i trust dont know her.

But im going with your advie, reading that made my night alot better



[This message has been edited by xRadical_Wankerx (edited 10-17-2006).]
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Old 2006-10-17, 06:56
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quote:Originally posted by stab:

You don't know anything about vaginas.



Explain please. I'm pretty sure you'd know if you popped a girl's cherry.
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Old 2006-10-17, 07:00
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1.Vaginal tightness,or lack thereof, means nothing! You cannot judge how much sexual activity she has had previously by how tight she is.

2.Grow up. YOU NEVER NEVER NEVER BELIEVE ANYTHING a girl-friend of your girlfriend says! That is a basic rule. You would not believe how evil girls can be to each other...us blokes are pussies by comparison!

3. If you feel for/love your g/f then you believe her NO MATTER WHAT! BAsta!
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Old 2006-10-17, 07:02
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^ Jack is more worldly than I.
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Old 2006-10-17, 07:02
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Yes, but there would be a difference if she was an innocent little virgin than if she had done all that he thinks she has, am I wrong?
 #32 
Old 2006-10-17, 07:04
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quote:Originally posted by Goya Bean:

Yes, but there would be a difference if she was an innocent little virgin than if she had done all that he thinks she has, am I wrong?



NO

or rather 'yes' you are wrong.
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Old 2006-10-17, 07:10
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quote:Originally posted by jackketch:



NO

or rather 'yes' you are wrong.

So, no matter how many men a girl has been with, stretching does not occur? I don't understand... I was under the impression that it would take atleast a month or so for the membrane to return to it's normal size. Again, I am wrong?
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Old 2006-10-17, 07:15
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quote:Originally posted by Goya Bean:

So, no matter how many men a girl has been with, stretching does not occur? I don't understand... I was under the impression that it would take atleast a month or so for the membrane to return to it's normal size. Again, I am wrong?

Male Myth i'm afraid. The only thing which can cause a loss of vaginal elasticity is child birth and that is usually only temporary.

My first girlfriend slept with countless men (this was back before AIDS). In the year i knew her she had slept with at least 40. She was on the tighter side of 'normal'.
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Old 2006-10-17, 07:18
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Fuck I feel like an idiot. Thank you for correcting me, I wouldn't want to go around thinking that if it wasn't true .
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Old 2006-10-17, 07:29
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The only thing you can judge virginity on with a vagina is the hymen, and of course, that can be broken through sports. So the only way you can physically tell a girl is a virgin is if she has a hymen, and even that is far from reliable (unless she has one... you know what I mean).
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Old 2006-10-17, 07:41
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quote:Originally posted by stab:

The only thing you can judge virginity on with a vagina is the hymen, and of course, that can be broken through sports. So the only way you can physically tell a girl is a virgin is if she has a hymen, and even that is far from reliable (unless she has one... you know what I mean).

Yes, horseback riding I hear is a popular method of breaking the hymen. It's pretty sad, but every passing day I find more and more reason to never believe women. Most of them are conniving, lying, cheating whores if you ask me, but maybe I'm being judgemental...

Yes, I suppose I am.
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Old 2006-10-17, 08:09
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Yeah, you are. And yes, horseback riding. My ex was one, and she was also a virgin with no hymen. Also, another girl I slept with after her, who was far from a virgin, had a much tighter pussy. And don't get me wrong, the virgin was no hallway.

So really, you just can't tell. It's the same as calling a guy a virgin because he has a 5 inch penis.
 #39 
Old 2006-10-17, 08:16
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I often wonder if the whole 'horse riding' thing was more a way of covering up for pre-marital sex , back when such things where taken very seriously..

I'm sure there are true cases of it but somehow it seems rather convienent. Especially when one considers that often women rode side saddle back then and that riding (at least here in the UK) was a preserve of the better off classes (who,lets be honest, would mount a monggoose if it stood still long enough!)
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Old 2006-10-17, 08:25
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Perhaps in the past that was so, especially your side-saddle point (although the injury could still be sustained by mounting), but just a bump-filled activity would be more than sufficient to wither away the hymen over time, imo.

Gymnastics would be the more obvious excuse, however.
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Old 2006-10-17, 08:36
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quote:Originally posted by xRadical_Wankerx:

I do! im also second guessing whether this sourse is full of shit, and it really was her. True, she did lie.. but everyone fucks up; though if she lied to cover up thats shes fucked all these guys it done.

fuck.. i dont know what to do..

i talked to her last night and all she kept saying was that its all not true, but ive heard her saying that shes believed to be pregnant back before we went out. This could have been one of her boyfriends though.

Are you guys following or am i caught up in myself?



You're caught up.

Take a step back. Take a really deep breath.. Do you have any major hobbies you like to do to calm yourself?

Whenever I realize I'm getting to caught up with the drama of life.. I take a step back, breathe.. and get on my ninja and lose the world at 100mph for an hour or so.

Do something like that.. get AWAY from it for a couple hours.. turn off your cell if you have one, and go do something relaxing. After you've chilled out.. THEN start to consider whats going to happen next.

REMEMBER THIS. You are in complete control. Complete. Control. What you say and do will decide where this goes next, she is on the ropes. When people get backed into the corner they will say anything to keep things "normal." People like peace of mind, and are used to habit. Start to mess that up, and they'll do anything to get it back.

Not saying she is lieing. But after your hour of relaxing.. if not more, you'll have a clearer image of what is going on.. and do everything from an objective point of view.

Get to the bottem of everything, and then decide what you are gonna do. Remember, COMPLETE CONTROL. No matter what her friend says, no matter what she says.. and not matter what ANYONE else says. It is 100% your decision on where you go next.
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Old 2006-10-17, 10:54
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quote:Originally posted by outcast234:

I take a step back, breathe.. and get on my ninja and lose the world at 100mph for an hour or so.

You just became really cool in my book.

What cc?
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Old 2006-10-17, 18:10
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quote:Originally posted by arquin:

You just became really cool in my book.

What cc?

It's an '06 zx-10r. so 1000cc.. but it's nowhere near my first bike. If anyone is reading this that wants to get into bikes: START SMALL! I started on a 500cc, and it's because of that, I feel, I am still around today.
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Old 2006-10-17, 18:33
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Do you have the problem with past sexual experience? Or is it with the lieing?

If it's the sexual experience, get over it because you care about the girl.

If it's the lieing, that's a whole different ballgame.

Sit down and talk with the girl about it. Don't talk to her friends. You need to have a long converstion.
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Old 2006-10-17, 18:48
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What's the problem with you not being her first ?

Anyway, if you were the first guy of an attractive girl, this would probably make you a pedo nowaday, so live with it.
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Old 2006-10-18, 00:10
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quote:Originally posted by deiki:

What's the problem with you not being her first ?

Anyway, if you were the first guy of an attractive girl, this would probably make you a pedo nowaday, so live with it.

Are you fucking retarded? Quit trying to be a hardass. Shes slept with countless gus, and lied to me, telling me i was her first. Thats the fucking problem. Shes had 3somes and even fucked guys while we were going out; i never had a clue.
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Old 2006-10-18, 02:59
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quote:Originally posted by xRadical_Wankerx:

Are you fucking retarded? Quit trying to be a hardass. Shes slept with countless gus, and lied to me, telling me i was her first. Thats the fucking problem. Shes had 3somes and even fucked guys while we were going out; i never had a clue.

You're going about everything very, very wrong. Fuck what everyone else is saying. Just fuck it. Sit down with her, and just talk about things. have her tell you EVERYTHING that happened, and you tell her your side of it. And just see what happens from there.

Listening to what other people are saying she did with random guys is not going to get you anywhere, and it's not exactly a reliable source of information. The problem is between you and her, so keep it there, don't spread it around.
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Old 2006-10-18, 03:10
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You fucked up good sir.
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Old 2006-10-18, 17:37
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Is this the same girl you bought that pretty ring for?
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Old 2006-10-18, 18:28
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quote:Originally posted by xRadical_Wankerx:

Are you fucking retarded? Quit trying to be a hardass. Shes slept with countless gus, and lied to me, telling me i was her first. Thats the fucking problem. Shes had 3somes and even fucked guys while we were going out; i never had a clue.

Well until your last post, it rather sounded like you were upset because she had other partners _before_ and not _while_ being in a relationship with you. Sorry for mistaking you, I take it back.
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Old 2006-10-18, 19:43
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Gah.. no one deserves the hurt of being cheated on.



RadicalWanker, if you're in the UK and need some backup, there's not much I can do except provide chocolate and awfull DVDs with far too fucking much ben stiller in them, but the offer stands..
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Old 2006-10-18, 21:57
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Update-

She called me last night around 12;30 in the morning, and told me the truth. I let her know it was over no matter what the truth was, because im sick of all our problems, so she should just tell me whats really going on.

She had 2 boyfriends before me who shes had sex with (unprotected twice, thats when she thought she was pregenant and told her friend), then shes had 3 threesomes with girls only, and has had sex with 4 girls in general, but shes made out with alot of guys, and doesnt even know how many.

I dont know if thats still bad, but im done regardless.
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Old 2006-10-18, 22:01
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quote:Originally posted by xRadical_Wankerx:

Saturday I found out that shes been lying to me for 6 months, and i never was her first.

So is this whole drama because you weren't her first? Or because she cheated on you?
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Old 2006-10-18, 22:12
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quote:Originally posted by naive_wisdom:

So is this whole drama because you weren't her first? Or because she cheated on you?

Read the fucking thread you asshole.
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Old 2006-10-18, 22:15
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quote:Originally posted by xRadical_Wankerx:

Update-

She called me last night around 12;30 in the morning, and told me the truth. I let her know it was over no matter what the truth was, because im sick of all our problems, so she should just tell me whats really going on.

She had 2 boyfriends before me who shes had sex with (unprotected twice, thats when she thought she was pregenant and told her friend), then shes had 3 threesomes with girls only, and has had sex with 4 girls in general, but shes made out with alot of guys, and doesnt even know how many.

I dont know if thats still bad, but im done regardless.

So she was only cheating on you with girls while you were going out? Or no cheating, or was there a guy in there too..?
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Old 2006-10-19, 00:40
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quote:Originally posted by Runaway_Stapler:

So she was only cheating on you with girls while you were going out? Or no cheating, or was there a guy in there too..?

No cheating according to her.
 
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