i live next door to girl that i am really starting to get attracted to but, she is 13 years old im i am 16.would it be wrong to try to go for her?

Why in hell do you want ot go after a stupid 13yr old?

If there's anything "wrong" it's making this post and subjecting yourself to judgement here. If you read this forum at all, you should know that you'd be flamed to a crisp.

What do you mean by "wrong"? Legal issues? Consult http://www.ageofconsent.com.

Moral or ethical issues? Discuss your take on that first.

Please address these issues, or this will be presumed to be trolling, and the thread will be closed or deleted.

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No-one can tell you the definitive answer of what is wrong or right in a situation like this. You really have to decide for yourself but bare in mind that if you do choose to go ahead with such a relationship, you will likely take some flak from friends/family.

However, even ignoring the moral issues there are obviously certain legal problems that could arise if the relationship becomes sexual.

I would advise you to be aware of the laws in your area and make your decision taking into account both legal and your own moral standing here.

Edit: Bah, deadlycindy beat me to it.

[This message has been edited by PTB (edited 06-16-2004).]

The difference between 19 and 21 aren't that bad. Even the differences between 16 and 19 can be dealt with, depending on the people. But between 13 and 16, is a lot more than just three years.

Between the ages of 13 and 16 you change a lot. I'm not generalizing here, it's a biological fact. And not just physical (all though, that in itself is a pretty big deal) but the hormonal, emotional and mental changes are very drastic. I just can't see any aspect in which a 13 year old is on the same level as a 16 year old. I think no matter how you play this one, it'll be unfair and you'll be taking advantage of her.

i think my view on underage relationships with a large age difference are well known but this time i've got to say forget her - if you're not truly in love with her.

quote:Originally posted by PTB:

Edit: Bah, deadlycindy beat me to it.



<Nelson voice>

Ha-ha!

</nelson voice>

Actually, we all posted within the same minute, and it's strange that we both said nearly the same thing.

I say 5 years each way, I'v been out with a 13 yearold, and I'm 17. Fuck what other people think, do what you want to do.

the only reason i really was into her was because it astonished me how mature she was for her age.i would not let it escalate to a sexual relationship she brought it up, and was comfortable with everything.I just wanted to know how most people thought of the whole thing.

quote:Originally posted by nocuous:

The difference between 19 and 21 aren't that bad. Even the differences between 16 and 19 can be dealt with, depending on the people. But between 13 and 16, is a lot more than just three years.

Between the ages of 13 and 16 you change a lot. I'm not generalizing here, it's a biological fact. And not just physical (all though, that in itself is a pretty big deal) but the hormonal, emotional and mental changes are very drastic. I just can't see any aspect in which a 13 year old is on the same level as a 16 year old. I think no matter how you play this one, it'll be unfair and you'll be taking advantage of her.

Listen to this man, he knows what he's talking about.

quote:Originally posted by KillaCas:

I say 5 years each way, I'v been out with a 13 yearold, and I'm 17. Fuck what other people think, do what you want to do.

This ones just sick.

quote:Originally posted by roccothesaint:

the only reason i really was into her was because it astonished me how mature she was for her age.i would not let it escalate to a sexual relationship she brought it up, and was comfortable with everything.I just wanted to know how most people thought of the whole thing.

How "most people think" is that it's inappropriate beyond friendship. So what. If you find you enjoy her company, then there's nothing wrong. Just be aware that if you were to become bf/gf you may be breaching the comfort boundaries of her parents. And your parents, for that matter. So, there will likely be "issues" to contend with.

go for it mate, just remember the legal stuff,like everyone already said.

remember to be careful, i doubt her family will be happy with it.

damn, cindy beat me to that by a few seconds



[This message has been edited by sneaky_aussie (edited 06-16-2004).]

I used to go out with a 12-year old and I didnt see anything wrong with it.She was well developed and smarter than most 16 years old Ive met. I think it depends on how mature both of you are because if you care about what people think of you then you arent mature enough to have a relationship.

I am kinda in the same situation as you, I was going out with a 13 year old when i was 15. People gave me alot of shit at school, but i didnt care. Just like your mistress she is alot more mature than id expect of a 13 year old. i just turned 16 and she just turned 14. My parents dont care about the ages, but hers do. its summer and her parents are leaving on a trip so i can't hang with her. But her parents say when school starts again it'l be all good. Right now its definitly not a sexual relationship as it should be. But if i continue to be with her as we get older it might. So im just cruising with her and its pretty good. Alot of people don't like me now because of this and they give me shit. But fuck them, im happy . I guess you should have her tlak to her parents, and respect what they say. Maybe you just have to wait. Maybe its not the best thing. Do what you want and what you think is right and fuck what other people say.

Peace!

One of my friends is 16 and she's going out with a twenty three year old.

i had a friend who was 15 and he went out with an 8 year old for a day

It's sick and lame.

Sick because she should be dating 13 year olds, and lame because she's 13 and you're fucking 16. Go out there and tap some 16 year old ass.

Don't be like a certain guy on this board who's "dating" a younger member he met on totse...

you sick fuck

Let's try to keep the responses constructive. Judgemental declarations are pretty pointless.

3 years isnt that bad, not really wrong, thats the law consent around here.

Yeah it would be wrong man. wait untill you get older to date her. Besides bye then shell have ACTAULLY DEVELOPED

That would make you either a junior or senior (as in a sophmore or junior currently). And that would make her a 7th or 8th grader. That is pretty fucked up.

My general rule is, as long as you are both in high school, then it doesn't matter the age difference.

If you're concerned about it being wrong, and you got in a relationship with her, you would probably be very uncomfortable in that relationship. I personaly say that that particular age difference, while not inherently wrong, will most of the time just end in disaster.

Quite a few older guys who date in that age-range are just doing it so they can have a sexual advantage over the girl. If that's the case then, no, it's not ok. But if you're genuinely attracted to her, go for it.

Yeah I knew an advanced student who attended my highschool as a freshman at the age of 12.

According to TheDragon, when I was a Senior we were both in highschool, it would of been perfectly normal for me to date and have sex with this 12 year old!

Yay for me!

quote:Originally posted by roccothesaint:

i live next door to girl that i am really starting to get attracted to but, she is 13 years old im i am 16.would it be wrong to try to go for her?

yes, that's wrong. the way i judge it is if you were her brother, would you kill a 16 year old guy trying to date her? if your answer is no then you'd be a shit brother.

Dude, 13?

She is way to old, go for them sweet, sweet elementary school girls.

Seriously though, go for it. Just don't tell your friends about it I guess.

fuck people and their prejudices. as long as you keep it kosher. go for it. if you turn out to be a dirty kiddy fiddler, ill hang you from a lampost with the rest of the lynch mob.

if she has hair in her pussy its okay!

A 23 year old going out with a 16 year old is pretty bad. I think a 15 year old going out with a 13 year old is okay.. 16 is just pushing it.

I'd say, be her friend.. just don't let it escalate.. you're too young to do something you're likely to regret.

3 years isnt that bad really, as far as im concerned, but like 13 is just too young, i think. Maybe like 15-18 or 16-19 or 22-24, but 13 is just a *tad* too low.

But yeah, do what you want to do. Whatever makes you happy.

Just watch out, she may appear mature but when you get to know her might, and most likely will be, really childish and possibly annoying.

Believe me on this one I knew someone for a little over a year and thought I knew them really well who was 14 and I'm 16. She seemed really cool and mature for her age but when she started hanging out with this other girl who acted like a 4 year old but was her age you could really see another side of her now I can hardly even stand to be around her because she is annoying as hell most of the time.

hmm. I'm 15, and I've fucked a 21 year old before. He knew I was 15, and got kicks out of my school uniform. Go figure.

^^Go figure what? That's a top-10 favorite of male fantasies. It's not at all surprising that a 21-year old would act it out if given the chance.

I'm not sure I understand why it's so unseemly for a young adult male to have sex with a teenager. Yet it somehow sounds so sordid to phrase it that way. Even when I was in high school (early 1980s) and even way before then, it was fashionable for my fellow 15-17 year-olds to "date" older men. Sure, we may have heard their friends use the term "jailbait" but I don't think any of us understood the implications. We wanted to be with these men. I don't know anyone that felt unfairly seduced, or taken advantage of. Maybe things are different now.

[This message has been edited by deadlycindy (edited 06-17-2004).]

Thanks for all your opinions.I am just going to let it go.I had a good conversation with her the other day,guess I didn't really know her and I found out that she isn't as great as I thought.I don't want to go through any shit for her.

thanks again.

feel free to keep posting on the subject I will still read new posts.

[This message has been edited by roccothesaint (edited 06-18-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by Five to One:

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LMFAO!!!!!!, damn right!!. it wouldn't be wrong if you want to be the next michael jackson.

GO ON MY SON GO FOR IT!!!

i went with a 14 year old when i was 16 and i fucked the granny out of her!!!!, But only coz she told me she was 17 and i beleived her coz she did have fucken huge tits 4 her age!!! Go on lad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

quote:Originally posted by Zealot56:



Yeah it would be wrong man. wait untill you get older to date her. Besides bye then shell have ACTAULLY DEVELOPED



what happens if she matured faster than others of her age and is on par with other 15 or 16 year olds?

quote:Originally posted by Scar Face:

GO ON MY SON GO FOR IT!!!

i went with a 14 year old when i was 16 and i fucked the granny out of her!!!!, But only coz she told me she was 17 and i beleived her coz she did have fucken huge tits 4 her age!!! Go on lad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

again, LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, u know what go and be the next MJ he just changed my mind!!!!!. is it his story, a 14 year old with huge tits, if it is then go 4 it!!!!!!!!

quote:Originally posted by deadlycindy:

We wanted to be with these men. I don't know anyone that felt unfairly seduced, or taken advantage of. Maybe things are different now.

Yeah well, I've known plenty of girls that wanted to be with me after a 6 shots of tequila. And if you're telling me pre-pubescent hormones can't affect you as much as alcohol, you can't remember puberty. I know it almost sounds like I think teenagers shouldn’t date, which is obviously not what I mean. I just mean they should be on the same playing field.

The reason I said I felt he'd be taking advantage of her is strictly from experience. When I was 13-14 many of my female friends dated 18-19 year olds. And while I hated it then (it was hard to compete with a car and no curfew) I hate it even more now because of the horror stories I hear. They all (or most, to be fair) regret it now that they’ve got a brain.



[This message has been edited by nocuous (edited 06-18-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by cashual21:

It's sick and lame.

Sick because she should be dating 13 year olds, and lame because she's 13 and you're fucking 16. Go out there and tap some 16 year old ass.

Don't be like a certain guy on this board who's "dating" a younger member he met on totse...

Fuck you Cashual. For one, I didn't meet her on Totse. Two, we've already involved both families in this, and both of them support us. If you don't like it, I truely don't give a shit, but keep your asanine opinions to yourself.

quote:Originally posted by nocuous:

Yeah well, I've known plenty of girls that wanted to be with me after a 6 shots of tequila. And if you're telling me pre-pubescent hormones can't affect you as much as alcohol, you can't remember puberty.

Nah, it's not that simple. Funnily enough, the only ill-judged sexual encounters I had as a teenager were at high school parties, with high school boys, while drunk. High school boys then proclaim their conquests to anyone who'll listen. Not all, but most. I also don't consider ages 15-17 to be pre-pubescent.

quote:The reason I said I felt he'd be taking advantage of her is strictly from experience. When I was 13-14 many of my female friends dated 18-19 year olds. And while I hated it then (it was hard to compete with a car and no curfew) I hate it even more now because of the horror stories I hear. They all (or most, to be fair) regret it now that they’ve got a brain.



So, you say that not really from actual experience, but from second-hand observation. I suppose that's valid enough as evidence, though it's inconclusive. Sure, when I hit 18-20 and thought I was grown up I kinda wondered how I could have "dated" guys so much older, and I had this phase where I seriously looked down on guys my age (at the time) that still dated girls in high school.

Now that I'm many, many years older I have that many more years experience with dating and relationships to compare to my younger years. And now that I actually do have a brain, I look back on myself at age 18-20 as quite an insufferable priss. And I look back on myself at age 15-17 with a great fondness. Those were good times.

Perspective continues to evolve with experience, so the perceptions of your friends who regret their experiences are still subject to change.

Well played. I guess I've got to yield to your experience. Maybe when I grow up I'll view things differently, but I gotta say I can't ever see myself as one of those guys who dates younger. And I can’t really help but look down on those who do.

P.S I meant pre-pubescent 13 as - the age of the girl in question.

PPS. Yeah, highschool boys suck. We're deadly, every last one of us. Let this be a lesson to the kids out there.



[This message has been edited by nocuous (edited 06-18-2004).]

nope but when your 18 and she's 15 it'd be wrong "legally"

Fuck the law. It's legal to break your lover's heart, but it's illegal to kill the one who broke your heart. That's fucked. Go out with her. If you like or even love each other, then do it! As long as you've both gone through puberty, it's fine with me.

If you are anywhere reasonably well hung you'll probably have problems getting full penetration on the go anyway.

quote:Originally posted by deadlycindy:

Go figure what? That's a top-10 favorite of male fantasies. It's not at all surprising that a 21-year old would act it out if given the chance.

Top 5 easily.

Top 3 I'd say, above Police woman but below Nurse.

quote:Originally posted by theif_child:

again, LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, u know what go and be the next MJ he just changed my mind!!!!!. is it his story, a 14 year old with huge tits, if it is then go 4 it!!!!!!!!

originally posted by Zealot56



"Yeah it would be wrong man. wait untill you get older to date her. Besides bye then shell have ACTAULLY DEVELOPED"



She is very well developed and mature for her age.I hate to admit it but she is probably more intelligent then I am.

[This message has been edited by roccothesaint (edited 06-18-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by Vampire Archimiel:

Fuck you Cashual. For one, I didn't meet her on Totse. Two, we've already involved both families in this, and both of them support us. If you don't like it, I truely don't give a shit, but keep your asanine opinions to yourself.

Even with your 'creative' grammar I managed to decipher that you did not care whether or not I like your relationship, which is rather juxtaposed to your considerably pugnacious opening.

No, I think I would rather not keep my opinions to myself; I think we all have a right to our own opinion and with it the freedom to express it so yes, in conclusion I have came up with an equation:

Let M=Male

Let F=female

Let A=age

In:

If MA> FA+3 when FA<21 then M+F= Wrong.

Well, part of expressing a valid opinion is the responsibility of backing it up with a line of reasoning other than "it's wrong because I say it's wrong".

As I've been harping about lately, uninformed opinions ("A is A because I say so") are likely just parroted by people who accept what they're told is right and/or wrong.

Bah, few people care about whether their opinions are logical or not. As long as they can be vented here with no repurcussions.

quote:Originally posted by cashual21:

Even with your 'creative' grammar I managed to decipher that you did not care whether or not I like your relationship, which is rather juxtaposed to your considerably pugnacious opening.

No, I think I would rather not keep my opinions to myself; I think we all have a right to our own opinion and with it the freedom to express it so yes, in conclusion I have came up with an equation:

Let M=Male

Let F=female

Let A=age

In:

If MA> FA+3 when FA<21 then M+F= Wrong.

Key words there, "I have come up.." YOU have come up with a conclusion. Your conclusion means precisely dick to anyone else but you. If you don't like my relationship, fine, you don't have to like it. But I DO ask you have the common decency to NOT announce your opinion of it at every oppertunity.