I have a perfect informational site for ya...

http://www.apa.org/releases/homophob.html

Make sure you read the whole thing.

Maybe I should direct this to ' Electron '. ;p

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I'm not homophobic, so I don't think i'll bother reading the link.

EDIT: Curiosity got the better of me, and I thought it was very interesting. I'm glad i'm not homophobic, otherwise i'd be rather embarassed. This will be a fun thread I think.

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If that link has anything to do with fags then no thanks.

quote:

New Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal

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August 1996 Press Release

WASHINGTON -- Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia -- the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory.

Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment involving 35 homophobic men and 29 nonhomophobic men as measured by the Index of Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study described themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual arousal and experience.

Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but not necessarily in that order). Their degree of sexual arousal was measured by penile plethysmography, which precisely measures and records male tumescence.

Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video depicting heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two women engaged in sexual behavior. The only significant difference in degree of arousal between the two groups occurred when they viewed the video depicting male homosexual sex: 'The homophobic men showed a significant increase in penile circumference to the male homosexual video, but the control [nonhomophobic] men did not.'

Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the nonhomophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the nonhomophobic men showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of the homophobic men did.

When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to which they were aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in both groups gave answers that tracked fairly closely with the results of the objective physiological measurement, with one exception: the homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by the male homosexual video.

Do these findings mean, then, that homophobia in men is a reaction to repressed homosexual urges, as psychoanalysis theorizes? While their findings are consistent with that theory, the authors note that there is another, competing theoretical explanation: anxiety. According to this theory, viewing the male homosexual videotape may have caused negative emotions (such as anxiety) in the homophobic men, but not in the nonhomophobic men. As the authors note, 'anxiety has been shown to enhance arousal and erection,' and so it is also possible that 'a response to homosexual stimuli [in these men] is a function of the threat condition rather than sexual arousal per se. These competing notions can and should be evaluated by future research.'

Article: 'Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?' by Henry E. Adams, Ph.D., Lester W. Wright, Jr., Ph.D. and Bethany A. Lohr, University of Georgia, in Journal of Abnormal Psychology, Vol. 105, No. 3, pp 440-445.

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The American Psychological Association (APA), in Washington,DC, is the largest scientific and professional organization representing psychology in the United States and is the world's largest association of psychologists. APA's membership includes more than 142,000 researchers, educators, clinicians, consultants and students. Through its divisions in 49 subfields of psychology and affiliations with 58 state and Canadian provincial associations, APA works to advance psychology as a science, as a profession and as a means of promoting human welfare.



There, now people don't have to go through the trouble of clicking on the big, bad, scary link.

Polonius really should have went to the link :/... he's really gonna feel/look stupid now. lol

Yeah, he looks like a gay boy now, hahaha!

(sorry about the immaturity)

Lmao. Good work.

OK

My friend The Colonel, yes that's what we call him, is extremely homophobic and as a joke my friend T.J. and I pretended we were coming out of the closet together... I wonder if all that gave him a hard-on... We always thought he was a closet homosexual anyway.

i dunno if i buy this shit or not.

one thing that caught me, was that the homophobia may be caused by UNKNOWN repressed feelings? say what? doesnt make a bit of sense to me.

another thing is, they only cite one article as making this conclusion. and that was pushing 9 years ago. if you were to make this leap with every published article, youd have a great deal of conflicting 'facts' out there.

stay up late tonight, and watch all the 'legal' growth hormone commercials, penis enlargment ads, and other shit of its type. youll find them saying they have articles, published reports, testimonials etc etc too. how many of them do you beleive?

i also find it odd how the findings turned out. it just seems very biased to me how the 'good guys' had no reaction, but the 'bad guys' did. seems too cut and dry to me as an article with more political intentions than scientific or physiological relavence.

between its age [ancient in medical time. i recall on star trek tng that dr crusher was talking about humans having 300,000 pieces to our dna, which was prolly the opinion of the medical community at the time the episode was shot. in 1999 i heard bill clinton say at the announcement of the mapping of the human genome there were over 3 BILLION.] its oddly worded and almost pointed language, and its sole mention of a source, i cant say that i put alot of faith in this theory. if some totseans have more links to article about this, id love to read them.

but this post is just more of the gotcha type of attitude gays love trying to pull. you dont agree wit or like there lifestyle, your either ignorant, a hater, or repressed. its the same type of patent response the dems and reps use against each other in there own attempts to label ppl and marginalize them.

ill come clean: i dont like lisping, limp wristed homos. i veiw them as weak, and i have a total lack of respect for them. my main problem with them stems from my perception of there weakness, and not the fact that some of them might want to blow me.

Just as I suspected !

Nihilism you repressed homo, you.

Shutup... fag.

Fags are gay

Fags seriously damage your health and the health of those around you.

Methinks someone doth protest too much.

"You know what they say about the squeaky wheel...it wants to get greased." --Sandra Bernhard

(no, this isn't aimed at sp0rkius and his wry humor)

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This makes sense to some degree. I agree that anyone whos violently homophobic is probably a closet case, but sometimes certain things just make you uncomfortable, im uncomfortable around some gays because ive had some wierd ass motherfuckers hit on me before. on the other hand im also uncomfortable around people who are mentally retarded, am i a closet case tard? dont answer that.

Why would a guy hitting on you make you uncomfortable? Textbook psychology would say that it taps into repressed desires that you fear. But how about in your own words?

If you feel uncomfortable around the mentally retarded, that's different. Mental retardation is something which can be definitely (clinically) measured and diagnosed. Most people are uncomfortable around all types of people with disabilities/handicaps because they don't know how to interact with them.

But a gay person is just a person. If a woman hit on me, I'd have no more trouble saying "No thanks" to her than I would saying "No" to some stranger who asks to use my cell phone.

rot in hell sodomite!

quote:Originally posted by deadlycindy:

Why would a guy hitting on you make you uncomfortable? Textbook psychology would say that it taps into repressed desires that you fear. But how about in your own words?

If you feel uncomfortable around the mentally retarded, that's different. Mental retardation is something which can be definitely (clinically) measured and diagnosed. Most people are uncomfortable around all types of people with disabilities/handicaps because they don't know how to interact with them.

But a gay person is just a person. If a woman hit on me, I'd have no more trouble saying "No thanks" to her than I would saying "No" to some stranger who asks to use my cell phone.

Even I, who questions his sexuality without fear, felt somewhat uncomfortable when I found out that a gay guy I know wanted to get me stoned and make out. I don't really consider myself as having one sexuality because, at times, I feel open to different things. I don't think that him hitting on me made me afraid of my own sexuality, just a little awkward. I'm not really sure why it seemed awkward though...

I've always suspected this to be the case. I mean, it's pretty much basic common sense. If, for example, someone makes fun of someone else's appearance, it's obvious that they're just searching for validation of their own appearance. It's not like you need a Psych degree to figure that out.

I go to a school of the performing arts (yes, like Fame) I got used to homosexuals really quick...

So according to that webpage, Eminem, of all people is....*gulp* GAY???

On a more positive note.....FUCK YOU FUCKING FAGS!!! ROT IN HELL!!! I'D RATHER FUCK A PUSSY!!! HELL, I'D EVEN FUCK A DOG; AT LEAST DOGS ARE ALL NATURAL!!!

Male homosexuality creeps me out. I haven't and never will do anything sexual with a guy. However, I can definately say if a guy's attractive. I just can't stand faggots. Women are just so much better. I also sing in the choir, take voice lessons, and wrestle. MAny would consider that gay. But singing is cool and wrestling is fun as hell. Proof that that you can despise fags, sing and wrestle, while being totally straight.

so doesnt the article contradict itself at the end and make the entire article speculation and pretty much just bullshit?

quote:Originally posted by Hoskins:

so doesnt the article contradict itself at the end and make the entire article speculation and pretty much just bullshit?

No.

As any serious journal article would, it proposes other possibilities which are worth exploring. It doesn't contradict, but rather makes suggestions to encourage further study.

I just wanna say a few things:

1. People who believe in religion, are weak minded.

2. Guys that, oh so love lesbians, but hate gay people, are just perverts.

3. Anyone who hates someone because of their sexuality, is either in-secure, or are just plain outright assholes that waste the resources on the earth.

4. Some homophobes arent gay, they're just assholes and should be shot.

5. I personally believe there should be an IQ requirement for the use of the internet, say, 110.

Let the flame war begin!

=)

bump ;p

quote:Originally posted by Kaile:

I just wanna say a few things:

1. People who believe in religion, are weak minded.

2. Guys that, oh so love lesbians, but hate gay people, are just perverts.

3. Anyone who hates someone because of their sexuality, is either in-secure, or are just plain outright assholes that waste the resources on the earth.

4. Some homophobes arent gay, they're just assholes and should be shot.

5. I personally believe there should be an IQ requirement for the use of the internet, say, 110.

Let the flame war begin!

=)

Agree, actually.

I've known that for a really long time.

quote:Originally posted by Kaile:

I just wanna say a few things:

1. People who believe in religion, are weak minded.

2. Guys that, oh so love lesbians, but hate gay people, are just perverts.

3. Anyone who hates someone because of their sexuality, is either in-secure, or are just plain outright assholes that waste the resources on the earth.

4. Some homophobes arent gay, they're just assholes and should be shot.

5. I personally believe there should be an IQ requirement for the use of the internet, say, 110.

Let the flame war begin!

=)

1. That's like saying the guy who goes to the knife fight with a knife, is weaker than the guy who decided to go at it alone. Who cares if they're 'stronger' they got their ass frikken stabbed. Who cares if people turn to religion for strength. If, God is imaginary as you say, than they really aren't getting any extra strength from anywhere, are they? And even if there is no God, no after-life and all that hope they got turned out to be false hope...who cares? You're dead. The thing I wonder is, what insecurities (or weaknesses, as you may see them) do you have that makes you feel like you need to point out that God doesn't exist?

2. Any guy that can be visually stimulated likes lesbians. (That is to say, all guys)

3. Tru dat, yo.

4. Tru dat, yo.

5. Is your IQ even 110?



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Im a guy, and I dont get 'stimulated' by lesbians ;p... Also, My IQ is 164.

I'm gay, and I still think lesbians are hot.

this is very cute.

i take the time to answer this post seriosuly and throughly, and some ppl accuse me of protesting too much? see what i mean? re-read my first post: if you dont agree, you are either ignorant, repressed or a hater.

well, your psychological button pushing doesnt work on me.

i merely pointed out my thought on the article, and why i thought it was largly bullshit, and look what happens. not one post on how im wrong.

when your down to baseless attacks, it seems to me someone is beaten.

NEXT!

quote:Originally posted by Kaile:

I just wanna say a few things:

1. People who believe in religion, are weak minded.

2. Guys that, oh so love lesbians, but hate gay people, are just perverts.

3. Anyone who hates someone because of their sexuality, is either in-secure, or are just plain outright assholes that waste the resources on the earth.

4. Some homophobes arent gay, they're just assholes and should be shot.

5. I personally believe there should be an IQ requirement for the use of the internet, say, 110.

Let the flame war begin!

=)

Fuck...

1- You're a weak and narrow-minded douchebag that pretends to be indifferent of the thought of death and you try to cover it by saying that religous people are avoiding facts and being 'weak' by believing in what people have believed in for eons. I'm not a religous man myself, but I have read into many religions, enjoyed the stories, and strongly agreed with many of the values and virtues preached within. I bet if you knew you were going to die you would fall to your knees like a quivering little pansy begging the God you all-of-a-sudden believe in for mercy. Fuck you for being so narrow minded.

2- Are you saying it's perverted to be turned on by watching more than one woman engaging in sexual activity because you aren't accepting of homosexuals? That makes no fucking sense. That's like saying you don't like the taste of two apples so it's wrong to like the taste of oranges.

3-Agreed.

4-That's retarded. That's like saying "I just fucking HATE intolerance!" Can you not see the irony in what you said? Who cares about homophobes? Let them think what they want, Christ can you blame them if they were brought up that way since childhood in a place like the South. Normative social influence can be very, well, influencing.

5-Shut the fuck up. Are you saying that people with an IQ of less than 110 have nothing to offer? That's bullshit, man. First you come across as Mr.Tolerance but now you've contradicted that image twice. Seriously though, fuck you. I hate elitist pricks like you who think they're so fucking smart because of a number they got on some controversial (Yes, they're controversial.) test. People with lower IQ's are not dumb, in fact, I bet you many of them will go farther in life than you can ever aspire to.

In conclusion, everything you think is wrong. You as a person are wrong. You're ideology, thoughts, beliefs and ethics are wrong, and you need to think about your shit before you post because like I said, you are wrong.

Thanks for reading guys.

-ca$hual

^^ agreed, nice link tho

quote:Originally posted by nocuous:

1. That's like saying the guy who goes to the knife fight with a knife, is weaker than the guy who decided to go at it alone. Who cares if they're 'stronger' they got their ass frikken stabbed. Who cares if people turn to religion for strength. If, God is imaginary as you say, than they really aren't getting any extra strength from anywhere, are they? And even if there is no God, no after-life and all that hope they got turned out to be false hope...who cares? You're dead. The thing I wonder is, what insecurities (or weaknesses, as you may see them) do you have that makes you feel like you need to point out that God doesn't exist?

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But god isn't an intellectual knife. He's practically an anti-knife. In an intellectual debate, the "knife fight", belief in god dulls your blade. In studies, there was a negative correlation between belief in god and intelligence.

Fuck...

1- You're a weak and narrow-minded douchebag that pretends to be indifferent of the thought of death and you try to cover it by saying that religous people are avoiding facts and being 'weak' by believing in what people have believed in for eons. I'm not a religous man myself, but I have read into many religions, enjoyed the stories, and strongly agreed with many of the values and virtues preached within. I bet if you knew you were going to die you would fall to your knees like a quivering little pansy begging the God you all-of-a-sudden believe in for mercy. Fuck you for being so narrow minded.



I'm not narrow-minded, I'm very open-minded... but, most religions say homosexuality is a BAD thing.

Here are a few things from the bible itself: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay/long.htm

Most religions are just to give people a false sense of hope.

I also couldn't care less if I were to be killed or die.



Fuck...

2- Are you saying it's perverted to be turned on by watching more than one woman engaging in sexual activity because you aren't accepting of homosexuals? That makes no fucking sense. That's like saying you don't like the taste of two apples so it's wrong to like the taste of oranges.



I never said anything about being turned on by lesbians, I said that whoever likes lesbians and hates gays, are perverts, obviously because all they think about is who they can fuck/get turned on by.

Fuck...

5-Shut the fuck up. Are you saying that people with an IQ of less than 110 have nothing to offer? That's bullshit, man. First you come across as Mr.Tolerance but now you've contradicted that image twice. Seriously though, fuck you. I hate elitist pricks like you who think they're so fucking smart because of a number they got on some controversial (Yes, they're controversial.) test. People with lower IQ's are not dumb, in fact, I bet you many of them will go farther in life than you can ever aspire to.



Alot of people with an IQ less than 110 have plenty to offer, but in the past few years, I've noticed alot more idiots online then there used to be, and Im also very tolerant... I help people fix their comps all the time, and even though they give me a migraine sometimes Im still nice and still help.

I don't need a number to tell me I'm intelligent or knowledgable, because I already know that I am.

Fuck...

In conclusion, everything you think is wrong. You as a person are wrong. You're ideology, thoughts, beliefs and ethics are wrong, and you need to think about your shit before you post because like I said, you are wrong.



If everything I thought were wrong, then were you wrong in agreeing with me on #3? How am I wrong as a person? You don't even know me ... wow... You even know all that I think, a true telepath.

Anyway, Those were all opinions, as we're all entitled to.

Had some posting problems, so I had to remove alot of my post :/

quote:Originally posted by AirshipCaptain:



But god isn't an intellectual knife. He's practically an anti-knife. In an intellectual debate, the "knife fight", belief in god dulls your blade. In studies, there was a negative correlation between belief in god and intelligence.

The point is, the sheer belief in something more gives people an extra strength that none of us (non-believers) can even understand. It's an advantage, plain and simple.

And in the end, even if it turns out to be false, who cares. No one can say I told you so, you can't be disapointed, and you've got nothing to lose. You're dead.



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quote:Originally posted by cashual21:

Fuck...

1- You're a weak and narrow-minded douchebag that pretends to be indifferent of the thought of death and you try to cover it by saying that religous people are avoiding facts and being 'weak' by believing in what people have believed in for eons. I'm not a religous man myself, but I have read into many religions, enjoyed the stories, and strongly agreed with many of the values and virtues preached within. I bet if you knew you were going to die you would fall to your knees like a quivering little pansy begging the God you all-of-a-sudden believe in for mercy. Fuck you for being so narrow minded.

2- Are you saying it's perverted to be turned on by watching more than one woman engaging in sexual activity because you aren't accepting of homosexuals? That makes no fucking sense. That's like saying you don't like the taste of two apples so it's wrong to like the taste of oranges.

3-Agreed.

4-That's retarded. That's like saying "I just fucking HATE intolerance!" Can you not see the irony in what you said? Who cares about homophobes? Let them think what they want, Christ can you blame them if they were brought up that way since childhood in a place like the South. Normative social influence can be very, well, influencing.

5-Shut the fuck up. Are you saying that people with an IQ of less than 110 have nothing to offer? That's bullshit, man. First you come across as Mr.Tolerance but now you've contradicted that image twice. Seriously though, fuck you. I hate elitist pricks like you who think they're so fucking smart because of a number they got on some controversial (Yes, they're controversial.) test. People with lower IQ's are not dumb, in fact, I bet you many of them will go farther in life than you can ever aspire to.

In conclusion, everything you think is wrong. You as a person are wrong. You're ideology, thoughts, beliefs and ethics are wrong, and you need to think about your shit before you post because like I said, you are wrong.

Thanks for reading guys.

-ca$hual



I'd just like to say thank you for taking the time, now I don't have to type this out. Especially number 1.