Well hey, it had to be asked, what with all the shit about inability to make one's girlfriend climax and learning to tune your bullshit detector to detect noises of the "faked orgasm" frequency that I hear and read about.

In all seriousness, and so Cindy doesn't lock my thread and verbally E-castrate me: Women are more-complex in a sexual/physical sense (not just, but that's for another thread, probably a B&M one), and their pleasure centers take a little more effort to hit the right way. In contrast, most guys (I refuse to use the term "men", as a "man" has his shit figured out) are simplistic sexual dipshits, however, who tend to think along lines such as "this feels good for me, so it must feel good for her..", who don't know what a clit is, and think Grafenberg was Adolf Hitler's second cousin. Bad contrast.

If you fit the description above: Learn to please your damn girl and stop being so obtuse. News flash: Thrusting in and out ain't all there is to sex, cowboy: You have a tongue and fingers for a reason, and she has that strange "clit" thing for a reason. This has been a public service announcement courtesy of IR Enterprises, Ltd. If you are reading this, and you haven't donated, you're a thief! Why don't you just fucking break into my house and rob me? Cheap bastards.

-Infrared, bitter/self-serving prick

I'm a virgin, so I wouldn't know...but yes, women are complex as hell. Basically, the way I see it, guys are based on logic. Girls however, are based on emotion.

Guys think in terms of A+B=C, while girls think in terms of (A^2-B^2 + C)/2=3.14

A great example I love to use:

-A guy's woman walks in front of the TV during football. The guy likes football, he doesn't like hearing his wife talk about crap, hence we wants woman to move from in front of the TV

-The woman walks in front of the TV because her husband got her cheap roses. The girl assumes that cheap roses means the guy doesn't care enough about her to put some time and effort into the gift. She walks in front of the TV to tell him about it. He clearly is annoyed so she assumes he doesn't love her anymore and she storms off.

If the guy were in the woman's place, he wouldn't know how to ID cheap roses, and if he did, he wouldn't care because he would prefer something he could use or playw ith.

The worst is when she's so in love with you that she does things she hates and pretends that she likes it just because she wants you to feel good....

ARGH! ARGH, I SAY!!!!

From my experiance, yes, even if women don't climax during the act, they still feel pleasure.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

The worst is when she's so in love with you that she does things she hates and pretends that she likes it just because she wants you to feel good....

ARGH! ARGH, I SAY!!!!

Yea, thats just stupidity. And, amen. I feel just the same way you do. Most of the time, guys are only there to please themselves and dont return the pleasure because they don't feel the need to since they are satisfied. If you're going out with someone like that, you seriously need to stand up and say that it's not working and that he needs to include his fair share or bye!

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

Well hey, it had to be asked, what with all the shit about inability to make one's girlfriend climax and learning to tune your bullshit detector to detect noises of the "faked orgasm" frequency that I hear and read about.

In all seriousness, and so Cindy doesn't lock my thread and verbally E-castrate me: Women are more-complex in a sexual/physical sense (not just, but that's for another thread, probably a B&M one), and their pleasure centers take a little more effort to hit the right way. In contrast, most guys (I refuse to use the term "men", as a "man" has his shit figured out) are simplistic sexual dipshits, however, who tend to think along lines such as "this feels good for me, so it must feel good for her..", who don't know what a clit is, and think Grafenberg was Adolf Hitler's second cousin. Bad contrast.

If you fit the description above: Learn to please your damn girl and stop being so obtuse. News flash: Thrusting in and out ain't all there is to sex, cowboy: You have a tongue and fingers for a reason, and she has that strange "clit" thing for a reason. This has been a public service announcement courtesy of IR Enterprises, Ltd. If you are reading this, and you haven't donated, you're a thief! Why don't you just fucking break into my house and rob me? Cheap bastards.

-Infrared, bitter/self-serving prick



What a fucking idiot.

First off, you should not be having sex with a 'girl' it should be with a woman.

Second, why the fuck else would women have sex ? To please YOU ?

Third, you are such a fucking cunt.

HJS, you better respect who the fuck your talking to you little shit of a person.

Watch your mouth before you get hurt.

quote:Originally posted by InimitableBallerina:

Yea, thats just stupidity. And, amen. I feel just the same way you do. Most of the time, guys are only there to please themselves and dont return the pleasure because they don't feel the need to since they are satisfied. If you're going out with someone like that, you seriously need to stand up and say that it's not working and that he needs to include his fair share or bye!

Uh... I'm a guy.

A straight guy.

quote:Originally posted by Black Flag:

HJS, you better respect who the fuck your talking to you little shit of a person.

Watch your mouth before you get hurt.

As you can see, I'm shitting myself !

Shall I get a mirror to watch my mouth or should I take my eyeballs out ?

I find rubbing against the clit while i'm inside seems to pleasure her.

Black Flag, don't be an idiot. Threatening/arguing with someone on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded. HJS has every right to an opinion, albeit one that you, I, or anyone else disagrees with.

But HJS, those were shitty points that you made. The first one was simply a difference in vocabulary, don't be a vocab nazi/cunt. The second one is definately a possibility. The third one doesn't even deserve recognition.

Did you read the post, stupid fuck? Did you just happen to miss the "please your girl" part? All I'll grant you is the normally-semantic (but not in this post) girl vs. woman thing, but otherwise, you appear to have just skimmed my post and then fired off your shit because you felt I was conveying some message that I wasn't. Dipshit. The whole point is to raise awareness and get any of said "it's good for me, and thus her" cocksucking pricks to try a little harder. Fuck, this is a pro-female post if there ever was one. Don't go fucking it up any more with your misinterpretations and your immaturity.

Cocksuckery: over.

-Infrared

Wow, this will be the first time I've said it, but PWNED! That was great Infrared.

A women doesn't need to climax every time she has sex for it to feel good, sex feels great either way or at least for me.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think I might be the first chick to reply to your thread Infrared. Or at least one of the first. Anyway.

It depends. Most of the time... eh. I think, like all other things, it varies from woman to woman. Some women are very easily pleased. Some aren't. I happen to one of the "not easily please" women. My husband does a good job, mind you, but it's not easy. And frankly, I'm not worried about it.

A lot of times, I fake an orgasm just so he won't feel bad about getting his sooner. I know he knows I fake orgasms, but it's like an unspoken agreement between us. If I fake one, then please get your rocks off, and let's just cuddle. If I don't, you've still got work to do, pal. I know that seems a little harsh, but he doesn't mind. For me, my main enjoyment in sex is the intimacy. That's why I never slept around. It would reduce the intimacy factor. Sometimes, if I'm really horny, then hell yeah, sex is awesome. But for the most part, it's a way of reconnecting with my husband. It puts us back on an even keel. He's happy cause he got some, and I'm happy cause he's happy, kind of thing. (To put it VERY simply.)

But to back to your original post. Yes, by all means... finger, tongue... it's all good.

Edit: Ah ha! Vanillalick beat me in. Sneaky, sneaky!

[This message has been edited by Lilly (edited 06-10-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by TheDragon:



A great example I love to use:

-A guy's woman walks in front of the TV during football. The guy likes football, he doesn't like hearing his wife talk about crap, hence we wants woman to move from in front of the TV

-The woman walks in front of the TV because her husband got her cheap roses. The girl assumes that cheap roses means the guy doesn't care enough about her to put some time and effort into the gift. She walks in front of the TV to tell him about it. He clearly is annoyed so she assumes he doesn't love her anymore and she storms off.

If the guy were in the woman's place, he wouldn't know how to ID cheap roses, and if he did, he wouldn't care because he would prefer something he could use or playw ith.

what a steriotypical load of shit.

you ever try and see how many orgasm a woman can have in 40 minutes so far 5 in cluding doubles.

quote:Originally posted by The Marksman:

you ever try and see how many orgasm a woman can have in 40 minutes so far 5 in cluding doubles.

Why don't you just count doubles as 2 and raise the total number?

I'd find it more impressive.

Personally, my broad's exhausted after the first one. Don't know why. Maybe I suck at it and she's just trying to get me off her.

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

Well hey, it had to be asked, what with all the shit about inability to make one's girlfriend climax and learning to tune your bullshit detector to detect noises of the "faked orgasm" frequency that I hear and read about.

In all seriousness, and so Cindy doesn't lock my thread and verbally E-castrate me: Women are more-complex in a sexual/physical sense (not just, but that's for another thread, probably a B&M one), and their pleasure centers take a little more effort to hit the right way. In contrast, most guys (I refuse to use the term "men", as a "man" has his shit figured out) are simplistic sexual dipshits, however, who tend to think along lines such as "this feels good for me, so it must feel good for her..", who don't know what a clit is, and think Grafenberg was Adolf Hitler's second cousin. Bad contrast.

If you fit the description above: Learn to please your damn girl and stop being so obtuse. News flash: Thrusting in and out ain't all there is to sex, cowboy: You have a tongue and fingers for a reason, and she has that strange "clit" thing for a reason. This has been a public service announcement courtesy of IR Enterprises, Ltd. If you are reading this, and you haven't donated, you're a thief! Why don't you just fucking break into my house and rob me? Cheap bastards.

-Infrared, bitter/self-serving prick





Well DAMN! I don't know whether to laugh or clap after that read...

quote:Originally posted by pamplemousse:

what a steriotypical load of shit.

Actually, he raises good points, even if he uses stereotypical examples.

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

Did you read the post, stupid fuck?

Yes

quote:Did you just happen to miss the "please your girl" part?

No

quote:All I'll grant you is the normally-semantic (but not in this post) girl vs. woman thing, but otherwise, you appear to have just skimmed my post and then fired off your shit because you felt I was conveying some message that I wasn't.



No I read it all, I just said what I thought.

quote:Dipshit. The whole point is to raise awareness and get any of said "it's good for me, and thus her" cocksucking pricks to try a little harder. Fuck, this is a pro-female post if there ever was one. Don't go fucking it up any more with your misinterpretations and your immaturity.

What misinterpretations ? I just think you a fucking cunt, take it like a man.

For the sake of others, I'll just leave it at that.

Rant over,

HJS.

quote:Originally posted by InimitableBallerina:

Most of the time, guys are only there to please themselves and dont return the pleasure because they don't feel the need to since they are satisfied.

That's not just guys. Once she gets off my gf looses all enthusiasm.

Um...where exactly is the clit?

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

Actually, he raises good points, even if he uses stereotypical examples.

I'm at a loss as to why people complain about the other gender, yet continue to let themselves be attracted to them.

I stopped sleeping with women because I got tired of the drama. This is a massive overgeneralization, and I'm sure there's a perfect woman (NOT girl) out there for me, but if I never find her, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.

The people I'm most attracted to don't succumb to gender archtypes. The ninary of male and female can only get you so far. I like my partners more cosmically evolved. But hey, that's just me.

Do you have any cosmically-evolved painkillers to make this migraine fuck off? It would really, REALLY help.

quote:Originally posted by Black Flag:

HJS, you better respect who the fuck your talking to you little shit of a person.

Watch your mouth before you get hurt.

Notice how it says "girls" in the topic? That's the cue for brown-nosing, cock-sucking people like yourself to not pay any attention to it.

quote:Originally posted by pamplemousse:

what a steriotypical load of shit.

you spelled stereotypical* wrong.

quote:Originally posted by HJS:

What misinterpretations ? I just think you a fucking cunt, take it like a man.

cant say fairer than that

quote:Originally posted by HJS:

Second, why the fuck else would women have sex ?

1.) Are you a woman?

2.) Can you therefore speak for all of womankind?

3.) ... and lay off IR he's a cool guy, what did he say that offended you?

quote:Originally posted by Little Pea:

Um...where exactly is the clit?

I think I saw on the History Channel that it's somewhere in Southern Siberia.

Hope that helps ya in your search!

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

[B]Women are more-complex in a sexual/physical sense (not just, but that's for another thread, probably a B&M one), and their pleasure centers take a little more effort to hit the right way.

This may be true, but, heh, "it's more complicated than that".

I think effort put into and pleasure derived from sexual encounters is going to vary depending on the "type" of sex. There's one-nighter sex, fuck-buddy sex, casual dating sex, serious relationship sex, and married sex.

What I'm doing right now could be considered "married sex" even though we're not yet married. We live together and I see him everyday. We can pretty much have sex whenever we want, but I don't have to have an orgasm every single time. Just doing it is fun by itself. "Serious relationship" sex might be similar to this.

With the other types, however, I might be expecting a little more effort on his part to facilitate my climax, and I want it first. When I'm not getting it regularly and reliably, I want to make the most out of each encounter. And guys learn quickly that if I like it, they can come back for more no-strings fun if they feel like it. If it was a waste of my time, they can go fuck themselves.

And Infra dear, when have I ever verbally e-castrated you or closed your thread?

^Never, but I'd expect it if I started posting stupid shit.

And I was trying to be objective about the post, but for me, specifically, as a practical person, I try to go with the whole "sex is sex" thing, and not categorize a woman as fuck buddy, friend, etc. Pretty much my main criteria are trust and respect. If I trust her and respect her, I'll likely have sex with her (if things work out that way, that is; it doesn't mean I pursue it automatically with anything female I trust/respect). You're very right about what you said, and I guess I'm just talking too fucking much (heh, espresso, and lots of it. It's like legal tweak..Only suckier, and 600+ milligrams of caffiene = insta-anxiety attack), heheh. And it's funny how I consider myself a practical, no-frills person, and yet I tend to get too elaborate about things, my posts among them. Same with sex. But I guess sometimes going no-frills can still be very complicated. Or I'm just, as I've said, a fucking massive, high-strung, bi-polar ball of contradiction. Heheh. Ok, I'm stopping here, lest I start firing off some kind of "I'm (this, this and this) type of person in bed" kvetch.

1.depends on the guy and how good he is

2. depends on how many times youve done it

3. condom or no condom

4. lube or no lube

thats all i can think about right now,off to smoke, check ya