(Deadlycindy forgive me, but this is a picture I really wanted to post here in S&A)

This is a picture of Angela made from 6 webcam shots I took of her, with the words 'My Angel..' superimposed on the picture. Shes wearing a shirt of mine I mailed to her in these pictures. Though others may disagree, she looks so beautiful to me in these pictures.

I'm sorry, I'm getting all sappy.. anyway:

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That's so sweet, good for your two, I hope everything works out.

She looks cute.

Good luck, again, in life and in death.

Honestly I am happy you found someone, but can you let it drop now? It really is like rubbing all of our faces in it... about 30 times a day... Everytime I look here you have some new post about her...

shw looks about 12

"she looks about 12"

thats exactly wot i thought...

I was going to say 13, but 12 works as well.

Looks a little young, but still cute.

How old is she...?

She's cute in the sort of way you don't mention because it's probably illegal...

VA, great for you, hooray hooray and etc. but enough with these threads about people I don't give half a damn about. No offense, but I couldn't care any less about your relationship with some trollop you met over the internet.

You don't hear me posting sappy crap about my relationships on totse with no real content or questions, so yeah-- just keep it to yourself. You had your fun with that long ass other thread.

My best wishes, good luck, etc. in your relationship and such,

-ca$hual21

P.S.

I wouldn't leave those pictures up with XliMun around...

It can be very hard NOT to get sappy when you're passionate about something. The few on this board who know me (REALLY know me, not the ones who fall prey to my attitudes or mindfuckings, or who just don't interact with me) will tell you that I can be the same. Anyway Vamp, like I said in the mail, she looks very nice, and I agree with you about the one that you liked best out of those - and if you're like me, you consider it sacrilege to favor one over the other, because each one is special for it's own reason, but still . Ah, that old familiar feeling. Anyway, good luck to you two, and good times, and don't follow Uncle Infra's example.



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She looks like this girl I slipped a roofie too then FUCKED HER!

God...I bet if that girl had a real man up in her, she would dump you in a second.

Phew, too bad I don't know where she lives, or I'd do it again.

She's cute.

Have fun in life. I hope I can be so lucky as to find someone as well...eventually.

It's taken all my energy to resist flaming.

I was just going to say she looks 12 but I guess you guys beat me to it.

quote:Originally posted by cashual21:

VA, great for you, hooray hooray and etc. but enough with these threads about people I don't give half a damn about. No offense, but I couldn't care any less about your relationship with some trollop you met over the internet.

You don't hear me posting sappy crap about my relationships on totse with no real content or questions, so yeah-- just keep it to yourself. You had your fun with that long ass other thread.



You couldn't have said it better.



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I have posted EXACTLY 4 times about her EVER, this being the 4th post. It is not my fault someone replies to a thread of mine I was perfectly willing to let die and it gets brought to the surface again. Of someone replies to a thread of yours, common decency is to at least acknowledge they replied. If you don't like what is contained in my posts, don't fucking read them, its THAT simple. I'm not trying to rub it in anyones face, I am simply very proud of her and wanted to share this picture.

Really, theres no need to act like such asshats over it. If you KNOW what its about, don't waste your time replying.

Carbon, I've finally just run out of patience with you. You have no girl or sex life, never have, never will. You'll be lucky if your hand doesn't fall asleep on you, let alone a living female.

But its ok... I hear chickens don't put up much of a fight.

To all who asked, shes turning 17 this January.

this is a beautiful thing...

dont try and make him "stop posting threads" because i like seeing this, i miss my old loves, but there will be more, and i look foreward to seeing wat oneday could be what i feel for someone else

I dont care about the "bandwith" this is a beautifull thing, and just cuz u dont know what itsd like to be in love, or have a girl worth bragging about... well it doesnt give you the right to critisize people.

Good for you vampy. Keep rockin'. Keep rollin

Edit: I cant spell wortha shit, its ok though

[This message has been edited by SwordChucks (edited 05-29-2004).]

Yeah. Stop being whiny about the happy couple. Bitching about them makes it painfully obvious that you're only angry because your left hand and yourself aren't considered a "couple". One more thing:

Shut the fuck UP!

Anyway. I know that for myself, this sort of thread and this couple specifically help me to remember that love does exist out there. It's welcome reaffirmation for someone who has none in his life and has been badly damaged by it already. Brings back "that old familiar feeling". The couple definitely has a place in this forum and in this life, and deserve congratulations.

So give it a goddamn rest. Go whine over at B&M and then kill yourself. I'll even let you use my Desert Eagle.

hi VA she does look sweet(hmmmmmmm)

quote:Originally posted by Vampire Archimiel:

I have posted EXACTLY 4 times about her EVER, this being the 4th post. It is not my fault someone replies to a thread of mine I was perfectly willing to let die and it gets brought to the surface again. Of someone replies to a thread of yours, common decency is to at least acknowledge they replied. If you don't like what is contained in my posts, don't fucking read them, its THAT simple. I'm not trying to rub it in anyones face, I am simply very proud of her and wanted to share this picture.

Really, theres no need to act like such asshats over it. If you KNOW what its about, don't waste your time replying.

Carbon, I've finally just run out of patience with you. You have no girl or sex life, never have, never will. You'll be lucky if your hand doesn't fall asleep on you, let alone a living female.

But its ok... I hear chickens don't put up much of a fight.

The fact that the thread is in existence bothers me. Just seeing the exorbitantly lame-ass tree hugging titles make me want to vomit all over my keyboard, and I don't want to have to replace the keyboard I have right now, I like it.

In conclusion, I think nothing of you or your questionable relationship with a young girl and I really don't want to see or read anything about it, unless it's a question or has some acutal content other than updates about dick-all that no one other than you, some ugly chicks, and impotent, balding computer nerds want to read about.

An example of a stupid thread that should be wrapped in a carpet and thrown over a bridge is this thread; "my girrrrrlfriend ish sho bootifull i love her she is my girrlfriend and blah blah blah sissy ass crap and etcetera..."

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:



Yeah. Stop being whiny about the happy couple. Bitching about them makes it painfully obvious that you're only angry because your left hand and yourself aren't considered a "couple". One more thing:

Shut the fuck UP!

Anyway. I know that for myself, this sort of thread and this couple specifically help me to remember that love does exist out there. It's welcome reaffirmation for someone who has none in his life and has been badly damaged by it already. Brings back "that old familiar feeling". The couple definitely has a place in this forum and in this life, and deserve congratulations.



So give it a goddamn rest. Go whine over at B&M and then kill yourself. I'll even let you use my Desert Eagle.



Did it occur to you that maybe not only people without girlfriends don't want to hear about two semi-gothic's relationship, but not really anyone other than those I listed above wants to hear about it?

I've got a girlfriend, and you don't see me mincing around like a little cyber fairy posting sappy garbage like this all over a board that's home to many cynics, pessimists, and jerks (myself).

In summation, this thread and any like it, is really, really stupid.

quote:I've got a girlfriend, and you don't see me mincing around like a little cyber fairy posting sappy garbage like this all over a board that's home to many cynics, pessimists, and jerks (myself).



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quote:Originally posted by cashual21:

Did it occur to you that maybe not only people without girlfriends don't want to hear about two semi-gothic's relationship, but not really anyone other than those I listed above wants to hear about it?

I've got a girlfriend, and you don't see me mincing around like a little cyber fairy posting sappy garbage like this all over a board that's home to many cynics, pessimists, and jerks (myself).

In summation, this thread and any like it, is really, really stupid.

Cashual, please. If you don't like it and don't want to read it, then please just DON'T read it, no ones got a gun to your head making you reply, you did it of your own free will. If this thread is stupid to you, then ok, its stupid, don't waste your time to reply. Yes, you have a girlfriend, it isn't my fault if I'm so much prouder of mine than you are yours.

Does she have a sister?

quote:Originally posted by Vampire Archimiel:

Yes, you have a girlfriend, it isn't my fault if I'm so much prouder of mine than you are yours.



I'm very proud of my girlfriend, but I don't post crap about her on internet forums.

quote:Originally posted by cashual21:



I'm very proud of my girlfriend, but I don't post crap about her on internet forums.

Thats your choice Cashual. You choose to express love and pride in your girlfriend in your own certain way. I posted a thread with a picture of her in it, this is one of my ways of expressing love and pride, let me be, its not harming Totse or you in the slightest by me doing this.



And to the guy that asked, shes an only child.

Cashual, seriously. I like you, man, but fucking lighten up a little. Maybe some guys are proud of their chicks and have different ways of expressing it. So Vamp/Matt likes to talk about her here , but you don't: big fucking deal! Diff'rent strokes for different folks, man.

Don't hate: Appreciate! And drink more beer!

-Infrared

she does look 12, and a bit mongo'ish too

as long as your fucking her and i'm not its all good though

Pedophile.

im sick of the whole "if you dont like people posting this, your a freak with no gf" debate. I could do in depth about my sex life, but whats the point? In my opinion, you dont need to know about my sex life. And as a matter of fact, its hard enough to get the people that know me to stop talking about, the last thing i need is people bringing up my sex life.

but for sake of proving my point: I have this one girl that is completely in love with me. And i love her too, dont think im in love with her, dont think im even capable of being in love with anyone at this point. Now this isnt some ordinary girl next door female. To prove this, when i had to leave her to move, she got asked out by 11 guys within two days. yet shes completely hooked on me when she could have anyone. When i first met it was just about sex, and i played her like i played any other girl, then i started to love her.

so i can relate to anyone who is ecstatic about their girl, and thinks she is so great. But noone here needs to know about it unless you teach a lesson in your post, or give out usefull info.

"How i found out the age of consent is 12" would be a better title for this post. At least then id learn some usefull advice.

young and ugly, way to go.

I'm going to be honest, the reason I dun like this thread, is because I dun like you. I'm not entirely sure what it is, there a just a few people that I dun like by looking at them (when I haven't ever talked to them), and I guess I can feel that through the internet as well... so I have no idea if these reasons I'm about to list are why I dun like you, or if I just dun like you, and then found some reasons...

Mostly, you seem to be digging for attention. You're in love with a girl congratulations. But you posted about it four times, in the past week (give or take). Let it die. Each time you post a picture you have to notice how everyone comments on "How old is she?" or "She seems a bit on the chunky side" or (my favorite) "Wow she is fugly". Yet for some reason you keep posting pitctures of her. It seems like you enjoy getting the negative feedback because it is a type of attention. With a name like Vampire, it just kinda reinforces my belief.

I'm not a complete jackass, I really am happy you found someone. You dun need feedback from totse every damn day that you have to post about it four times... Everyone is allowed to talk about it if they want, but most people limit it to one post, even two I would let slip... but come on...

Same thing vanillalick said. Godd luck to you man. I really dont know you but Still good luck with her!

Well I guess I should care that your getting fed up with me Vamp?

Lol...you say I have no sex life? What do you got? Pictures of a fucking 16 year old?

By your standards I should be trying to pick up 13 year olds and then posting their nude pictures on here expressing my "pride" and "joy" for them.

Give me a break craddle robber. You don't know me and I don't know you. I do know that you are not getting any pussy, but you really can't consiously say that about me.

No matter how much you want to believe I don't get pussy...I do.

End of story.

She looks really cute, in the young seemingly illegal way, in some pictures. But in a few of the other shots shes...well not so cute. But congrats anyway on a happy relationship.

Now Vampire Archimiel, do you remember what I told you about novelties? Not too good. You seem a little to showy, showing off your novelty and other people don't care for it. I told you.

Not only that but saying your proud of her? For what? Posing for a picture? For wanting to be with you? Fool, pride is something you should never have in a relationship. It is a deadly sin and there is a reason for that. I hope you can figure it out.

Something that intrigues me, how many past relationships have you actually had? And how long were they? I'm just curious. It seems to me as if this would be the first...

quote:Originally posted by The_Homicidal_Maniac:

Now Vampire Archimiel, do you remember what I told you about novelties? Not too good. You seem a little to showy, showing off your novelty and other people don't care for it. I told you.

Not only that but saying your proud of her? For what? Posing for a picture? For wanting to be with you? Fool, pride is something you should never have in a relationship. It is a deadly sin and there is a reason for that. I hope you can figure it out.

Something that intrigues me, how many past relationships have you actually had? And how long were they? I'm just curious. It seems to me as if this would be the first...

I'm proud of her for several reasons THM, for not drinking/staying off drugs, for her desire to go to college and get a good education, for winning trophys on her swim team...several reasons.

And my last relationship lasted 8 years.

Seventeen in January, eh? Shit, I'm her age, where does she live again?

Seriously though, still happy for ya, buddy! The collage of photos are a bit too 'one-hour-photo' for me but whatever makes ya happy!

Lol...yes 8 years.

Your 13 year old crush doesn't count. Your proud of things you have no fucking clue about.

I mean good god, she writes a descrpition of her life and now your going to act like you've been there with her?

I mean, you act like you've been her best friend for life, or rather your her father figure because basically your getting old enough to be.

I mean for real, you've seen her in real life? Once?

All of a sudden your the best thing since sliced bread?

Give me a break, your basing this shit on the idea of a novelty. You don't know each other, just a wrap sheet of each others lives.

Carbon, seriously. You ain't going to change anyone's mind/heart. Not by being an asshole, at least. Just live and fucking let live, and stop trying to trivialize their relationship just because you don't personally approve. You try to make yourself sound objective, but you're not - you're an opinionated prick. I am too, but I have some standards as well.

I already told you - I'm not seriously hating you or even trying to get you to listen, but holy hell, you're being pretty unreasonable about this, IMO.

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I wish you would let it drop already. There is no need for your love life to be an internet soap opera. So dont make it one. You found each other great. Now STFU. Thank you. Have a happy life.

quote:Originally posted by kiwi86246:

shw looks about 12



s' just what i thought

Lucky boy. She's pretty, I'm happy for you, and I wish more people around here had the same kinda open attitude as you and Infra.

quote:Originally posted by bexisevil:

Lucky boy. She's pretty, I'm happy for you, and I wish more people around here had the same kinda open attitude as you and Infra.



amen

I think I am going to lean towards redemption's statement.

Threads like this make me gag. People are obviously dicks... so why even bother?

If you really love her then it doesn't matter if you whore her picture on some message board. That won't prove your love for her. So why bother? You knew for a fact it would cause problems.

quote:Originally posted by JesusTookMyBike123:

Threads like this make me gag. People are obviously dicks... so why even bother?

If you really love her then it doesn't matter if you whore her picture on some message board. That won't prove your love for her. So why bother? You knew for a fact it would cause problems.

true that.

VA, I might disagree with you posting, but I have a question nonetheless: how old are you? Because frankly she looks a little young, and from the pictures I've seen of you, you can't be younger than 19. That's kind of a big age gap, even liberally.

quote:Originally posted by JesusTookMyBike123:

Threads like this make me gag.

Exactly, go find somewhere else to show off your 'pride' for that hideous thing, And if I'm right I'm not the only one who's getting sick of looking at and hearing about her.



quote:Originally posted by Vampire Archimiel:

I have posted EXACTLY 4 times about her EVER, this being the 4th post

Yeah.. mmhmm.. sorry there buddy but 4 posts about her is just 3 too many.

heh, i guess we're all just heartless bastards after all... ::smokes cigarette, doesn't care::

^^ You just figured that out?

quote:Originally posted by redemption:

I wish you would let it drop already. There is no need for your love life to be an internet soap opera. So dont make it one. You found each other great. Now STFU. Thank you. Have a happy life.

Man, much respect to you, and if I was attached I would be happy as hell for you. At the moment I'm single and stereotypically depressed, so my reaction is akin to seeing a lovey-dovey couple at some supermarket while I'm shopping, kissing and hugging each other and talking in baby-talk, each sentence almost as if it was designed to ascend me into murderous rage.

Seriously, what responses did you expect? Either redundant 'well done' posts that were handed out in your last 3 threads, or flames like this one (though I'm trying to be more balanced than others)

Well done

Keep on truckin', Vamp!

Ignore the small-minded comments. I'm sure you understand the simple psychology which motivates them. Meh.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Well I guess I should care that your getting fed up with me Vamp?

Lol...you say I have no sex life? What do you got? Pictures of a fucking 16 year old?

By your standards I should be trying to pick up 13 year olds and then posting their nude pictures on here expressing my "pride" and "joy" for them.

Give me a break craddle robber. You don't know me and I don't know you. I do know that you are not getting any pussy, but you really can't consiously say that about me.

No matter how much you want to believe I don't get pussy...I do.

End of story.



Hey Carbon man, this guy obviously gets TONS of e-pussy so lay off. I mean if done right it can be just like the real thing... I wont go into details but a few case mods involving liquid cooling, and the lower half of a dead dog come to mind...

quote:Originally posted by deadlycindy:

Keep on truckin', Vamp!

Ignore the small-minded comments. I'm sure you understand the simple psychology which motivates them. Meh.

ya know, maybe some of us are thinking about the bigger picture. i can't speak for everybody, but i've personally refrained from making a post in here going either way about this issue, cuz i don't wanna be a dick. but i think what motivates a lot of the people here to say what they say, though it might be dickheaded, is the fact that a lot of us know what can happen.

shit, i like vamp a lot. he's always kept his cool, even under fire, and seems like an honest to god good person. but let's get serious. i think every single one of us on here can say, yes, we know the feeling. it's the same feeling you get everytime you start a new relationship. everything is perfect, the other person has no flaws, blahblahblah, but that shit gets old, and pretty soon you're fighting the bitch off with a bat because she's trying to stab you with lava lamp or some shit.

maybe the reason he gets flamed the way he does, is because a lot of people think he is naive...i dunno. i just wouldn't be surprised (and don't take this the wrong way) if there's a 'things didn't work out thread' sometime in the future.

and before anybody says 'hey, just cause your relationships suck, doesn't mean his will' seriously shut up and think about it. the magic wears off, and anybody who claims it doesn't is full of shit.

ps. this wasn't an attack at you cindy.

We had a thread on this relationship. It was not a real topic, just attention whoring, and it got out of control. It was locked, and then unlocked, and then requested to be relocked less than a day later. And now we have the exact same thread again. What the fuck is going on?

/Takes a puff from a cigar and blows smoke in Sidewayz's face

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

/Takes a puff from a cigar and blows smoke in Sidewayz's face

ehh, and since you stuck your nose into this, i'll just fire one across the bow.

let me rephrase my previous post: we all act the way we do because we want to sit around and wait for the "0MGF!11 she cheated on me with the football team, my life is 0ver! ::sobsob::" thread. after all, he is taking advice from Infra, and we all know he's good at those kinda threads.

besides, how can you bend your arm to smoke a cigar with that needle stuck in there like that?

quote:Originally posted by Sidewayz:

ya know, maybe some of us are thinking about the bigger picture. i can't speak for everybody, but i've personally refrained from making a post in here going either way about this issue, cuz i don't wanna be a dick. but i think what motivates a lot of the people here to say what they say, though it might be dickheaded, is the fact that a lot of us know what can happen.

shit, i like vamp a lot. he's always kept his cool, even under fire, and seems like an honest to god good person. but let's get serious. i think every single one of us on here can say, yes, we know the feeling. it's the same feeling you get everytime you start a new relationship. everything is perfect, the other person has no flaws, blahblahblah, but that shit gets old, and pretty soon you're fighting the bitch off with a bat because she's trying to stab you with lava lamp or some shit.

maybe the reason he gets flamed the way he does, is because a lot of people think he is naive...i dunno. i just wouldn't be surprised (and don't take this the wrong way) if there's a 'things didn't work out thread' sometime in the future.

and before anybody says 'hey, just cause your relationships suck, doesn't mean his will' seriously shut up and think about it. the magic wears off, and anybody who claims it doesn't is full of shit.

ps. this wasn't an attack at you cindy.

Agreed.

^Hey, dude, I made a bunch of money pushing dope today; think I should fly out to Rhode Island with it?

EDIT: Was for Sidey.

EDIT II: On second thought: What do YOU think of that idea? JTMB?

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is that the best you can do, Infra? come on, 'w0w' me.

Why would I bother?

Oh, and I don't use needles on my arms; I use my legs, my friend, for IM injections. Though I've not had an injection of anything since maybe 4 or 5 (I forget) days ago, because I'm staying off the meth. Just correcting ya.

Oh, wait, wait..you were trying to diss me and make yourself look good, right? Sorry to burst your puerile little bubble there, friend.

/Clenches cigar in teeth and grins at Sidewayz

All that anger and angst isn't good for a body.

quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

^Hey, dude, I made a bunch of money pushing dope today; think I should fly out to Rhode Island with it?

EDIT: Was for Sidey.

EDIT II: On second thought: What do YOU think of that idea? JTMB?

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If you wanna get arrested, sure.

Just ignore Infrared...he is just a fucktard now.

like you'd know the first thing about what's good for the body, eh infra?

and no, not trying to make myself look good. my image on totse does little to improve my self image, don't compare me to yourself.

Just ignore Easy Going, because...Oh, hey, new issue of Time is in. What was I gonna say? Meh, doesn't matter.

JTMB: Yeah, you're right; I remember the mention about the assholes cops out there. I think I mentioned that I'd gone through Providence on the way to NYC, and it was, well, quite the shithole. Probably nicer once you get out in the country.

Sidewayz: Yeah, I would, being raised in a medical family and all. I never said I practiced what was good for the body for myself. And hey, those injections were done in a sterile manner, with alcohol and a wheel filter and everything. It's good to keep germs out of the body.

And hey, dude, you have an image?? News to me.

Oh, and Vamp/Matt, sorry for the thread hijack, didn't intend to do that. Back to the happy couple! Don't make me get the hose.

EDIT: Stepped over the line. Stepping back.



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quote:Originally posted by Infrared:

OMG my girlfriend left me and is fucking someone else and I am so devastated because my feelings are so intense so I should take lots of drugs because that is what cool people like myself do to try to manufacture a personality and then I am going to try to increase my status at totse by imitating snoopy and acting superior to all those I don't like and kissing the asses of all I do like unless someone like Sarc decides to not like me anymore and then I am going to stalk her like an insecure little bitch boy and pretend I have a really good reason for it and then I am going to do some attention whoreing but I am going to make sure to say I don't want any replies because I don't want anyone to know I am an attention whore because I just want the attention without the label and I used to be pretty cool but my ex castrated me and now I am a sniveling shell of man with no dignity and I am a fucktard.

Shut up. I heard you the first time.



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quote:Originally posted by Infrared:



JTMB: Yeah, you're right; I remember the mention about the assholes cops out there. I think I mentioned that I'd gone through Providence on the way to NYC, and it was, well, quite the shithole. Probably nicer once you get out in the country.

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Infra, do me a favor. Leave me outta your next battle, I don't wanna be dragged into it anymore.

Civility is far too much to expect from the totse crowd, but I'd like to think that, whenever possible, people might consider being helpful in this particular forum, and if all you can be is a dickhead, don't waste your time and effort to post. It's just common sense. I won't expect miracles.

It's much for fun to be goofy in SG and pick fights in B&M, and insult someone's judgement, opinions and religion in Politics or MGCBTSOOYG. Here, we talk about personal stuff, and hating on others for personal reasons is like shooting ducks in a barrel.

This thread went to hell in a hand basket.

But still, good luck in life and in death.

/cocks his eyebrow

Battle?

But ok, JT, I'm sorry if I caused you any trouble.

Though I don't recall any battles; I was E-smoking my E-stogie, and innocently blew a little smoke Sidewayz's way =)

Sidewayz, I already told you I don't hate you. You picked that fight, buddy. As for you, Easy: Wow, you can actually post anything you want and make it look like someone said it?? Dude, imagine that shit.

quote:Originally posted by Easy Going:

I'm a little bitch!

Playing pretend is fun. Also the last refuge of the whiny bastard with a personal gripe against me. But anyway, enough of this shit.

And like I said: Sorry for my part in threadfucking, Vamp. Back on topic! I replied to your mail again, btw, but I think you were asleep, it was pretty late.



-Infrared