red ball0on 99: i have to know

IvelN2k3: have to know?

red ball0on 99: i dunno

IvelN2k3: You were going to say you had to know something.O_o

red ball0on 99: i don't have to know

IvelN2k3: what don't you have to know?

red ball0on 99: i don't have to know anythign

IvelN2k3: O_o

red ball0on 99: whats wrong?

IvelN2k3: nothing.

IvelN2k3: just stressed out.

red ball0on 99: aw

red ball0on 99: don't be

red ball0on 99: why?

IvelN2k3: you and jay,this new job,my friend patrick,and lately i just feel like i'm the biggest failure..

red ball0on 99: why are me and jay stressing you out?

red ball0on 99: ...thats something that doesn't need to get to you

red ball0on 99: you know how wrong i feel right now.. cause he has a girlfriend

IvelN2k3: I KNOW

IvelN2k3: THATS WHY I CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT, AND HE'S THE SCUM OF THE EARTH ANYWAY

red ball0on 99: well i don't see that i guess

IvelN2k3: neither do i, but facts are facts...he steals,lies,drinks,smokes weed,does prescriptions..

IvelN2k3: and yeah, i have to be a loser for you to choose the scum over me..

red ball0on 99: well none of that really bothers me cause i'm ust to all that stuff in everybody theses days so i just see right past it, the only thing that gets to me is the lieing

red ball0on 99: ...and i don't see why your getting so angry about all this, i could only see you as a friend and nothing more

red ball0on 99: i'm sorry.

IvelN2k3: because of what i just said.

IvelN2k3: jay is the scum.you pick scum over me, i must be lower than scum.

red ball0on 99: there was no picking and choosing

red ball0on 99: ya know maybe if i saw you around more often like i see jay maybe things would be different, but i don't

IvelN2k3: humm.

IvelN2k3: I can't help but say...who always says no to the lunch invitation?

red ball0on 99: and don't even bring up all the times you've asked me to go places

IvelN2k3: Thank you, Ms.Contradiction.

red ball0on 99: ugh

IvelN2k3: aren't making sense to me.

red ball0on 99: ok...

red ball0on 99: i didn't choose to start talking to jay like i did now

IvelN2k3: you choose to continue, you chose last night's rondayvue

red ball0on 99: he was in one of my classes and about the only person i talked too

red ball0on 99: ok i got to like him...

IvelN2k3: that had a connection to me? Right.............

red ball0on 99: and thats how things led up to how they are now

red ball0on 99: not really

IvelN2k3: i have a feeling that jay "chose" to talk to you to get back at me for some reason or other..

red ball0on 99: um

red ball0on 99: ok you think that

IvelN2k3: I'm being serious, actually.

red ball0on 99: ok

red ball0on 99: well like i said

red ball0on 99: you think that

red ball0on 99: cause i wouldn't know

red ball0on 99: and i'm not ganna think that

IvelN2k3: well, your his new shag mate

IvelN2k3: so you should know

red ball0on 99: no i shouldn't

red ball0on 99: cause i'm not

IvelN2k3: newsflash:Jay only wants shagging out of a female

red ball0on 99: mk well he ain't ganna get it from me

[This message has been edited by Ceninant (edited 05-26-2004).]

Ok, I actually read through all that. Sounds like a typical exchange between two teenagers, the same sort that's been going on since the dawn of time, in one form or another.

So if you're just sharing/venting, ok.

If you have "problems" please articulate them 'cause I can't extrapolate anything from that dialogue. Except maybe that you have self-esteem issues with that "I must be lower than scum" remark.

Ceninant: Don't even bother. Where hundreds of thousands of guys (including this gorilla) have failed, you're not going to succeed. [in reasoning with her]

^^^true dat. Girls are masters of rationalizing their actions. Even if they don't make any sense.

Rationalize??!!! Not so, it usually comes down the the line "I'm a bitch, so what?"

Rationalize that, buddy.

I'd put that phrase in the top 3 of womanly things which make me cringe, along with "does my bum look big in this" and "I will survive" by gloria gaynor.

You're in the friend zone. Its simple, dont bother doing anything with her other than being a friend.

Gorilla and Pea are right. I've been there a million times too. Welcome to High School chicks, they suck.

Let me tell you this though: This girl is a lost cause- and you're not handling it very well. And word travels. If you fuck things up with her more, it could have an affect on the next skirt you chase.

I think you need to relax. Stop focusing so much on chicks, and start focusing on having fun because you seem a little tense. Once you unwind, girls will come more natural. Good luck man, we're all pulling for ya.

IvelN2k3: because of what i just said.

IvelN2k3: jay is the scum.you pick scum over me, i must be lower than scum.

Big mistake, man. Never do the "Why not me?" routine.

my friend jay who has been arrested for stealing,drugs,etc, is now "in love" with this chick, who has a girlfriend (kelly).last night, they made out in between their backyards for 3 hours... but i like her, too, thats the big if..also, he threatened to rape her in the past (i have giant logs, her parents know of this) so that's a big worry..