This is serious, so please don't flame me. I am going through a rough time in my life and I just want your help/advice/opinion.

I am 16 years old, I have had a couple boyfriends in the past years, but I think I have figured out something. I have this best friend and we hang out almost everyday at the park and the movies and different stuff. I just realized that I am the happiest, most lively person when I am with her. We can talk about anything together. Shes 17 years old, and broke up with a boyfriend about a month ago due to him cheating on her. She says she can't trust guys for a long time.

I think I have feelings for her, but I don't know. I will be coming out of the closet if I do. What should I do? Should I bring up the "lesbian" thing in a conversation and see how she reacts? We live in California... if that makes a difference.

Also, is being lesbian a bad thing? Is it something to be ashamed of? I will have to tell my parents too. They aren't homophobes, and they will respect it because I have already brought up the "What if I am lesbian" thing, soo... But I am still scared. Please don't flame me, I am in a very emotional state right now. I just need advice and help. Thank you for reading this.

Make sure of your feelings for her and decide whether they are sexual or non sexual. Breaking up after a relationship means she is more than likely going to be fairly delicate when it comes to advances, especially from potentially unexpected quarters.

Decide whether you’re gay or not, and not a perhaps confused adolescent, because with stuff like this once it’s said it can’t be unsaid. So be sure.

Anyway, this is just an opinion from a random BBS poster.

quote:Originally posted by gothprincess89:



Also, is being lesbian a bad thing? Is it something to be ashamed of?

NEVER. if its what you are, then that is what you are, and no one should ever be ashamed of that.

quote:

and not a perhaps confused adolescent, because with stuff like this once it’s said it can’t be unsaid. So be sure.

this is true, but if this friend is as close as she sounds, then she should at least be open to talking about it. how bad would it hurt you if she said that she would still be your friend, but not your girlfriend? as for just being a confused adolescent, I think thats fine anyways. even if its simply an exploratory relationship thats okay.

I think you'd be suprised about how open minded people can be (most people...some are fuckwads), so dont worry about that too much, especially if you know this girl well enough to want to be with her.

as for bringing it up, I'd say you might ask her if shes ever been interested in girls before, even if it wasnt a serious thing. then maybe tell her that you've been attracted to girls lately and see how she responds. if things go well from there, you might want to tell her your feelings about her, and go from there.

dont worry, if she really is a true friend she'll understand even if she doesnt feel the same way.

good luck , and PLEASE post a follow up to this, I want to know how things turn out for you.



[This message has been edited by Shodan's Own (edited 05-13-2004).]

gothprincess you are'nt a lesbian and you are'nt straight - you are you.

having read some of your past posts i think you'll make it whatever you decide.

i'm also pretty damn sure you know in your heart what the answer is.

(hmm upon rereading this it sounds kinda lame but i hope you get what i'm trying to say.)

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It's worth pointing out that because anywhere from 1 to 10 percent of the population are homosexual or have homosexual tendencies, but perhaps as much as 50% of the population might have bi-sexual tendencies, this isn't an uncommon question. In fact, I'd wager it's a question that most people ask themselves through the course of their lives.

I'd like to suggest to everybody that the question "am I gay?" is perhaps a little black & white in its aim -- we should maybe be asking the question "exactly how hetero- or homo-sexual am I?"

Anyhoo ...

quote:I am 16 years old, I have had a couple boyfriends in the past years, but I think I have figured out something.

Let me begin by saying that at the age of 16, it's okay if you still need time to figure out what you want out of life, and what things you enjoy and what things you don't.

I had a high-school classmate who eventually came to the conclusion that she was a lesbian, although she was into her early twenties before she came to that conclusion.

If at this point in your life you've had a few boyfriends but you don't know if guys are any good to be with, or guys are even like-able, this is perfectly normal. We're not exactly mature examples of manhood at that age.

quote:I have this best friend and we hang out almost everyday at the park and the movies and different stuff. I just realized that I am the happiest, most lively person when I am with her. We can talk about anything together.

Women are known to be able to develop closer mutual friendships than men are. If your feelings aren't sexual in nature or have no sexual color to them, I'd say it was perfectly normal to feel this way about another woman.

quote:She's 17 years old, and broke up with a boyfriend about a month ago due to him cheating on her. She says she can't trust guys for a long time.

Another common reality, although it's worth pointing out that if she's willing to date guys, she's probably not a lesbian or bisexual.

quote:I think I have feelings for her, but I don't know. I will be coming out of the closet if I do. What should I do? Should I bring up the "lesbian" thing in a conversation and see how she reacts?

Bringing it up in conversation might work. If you were to go the route of expressing your feelings for her, but she was actually straight as an arrow, it might affect your friendship. That and the fact that at her age, she probably still doesn't know exactly what she wants either.

quote:Also, is being lesbian a bad thing? Is it something to be ashamed of?

"Nobody has the right to make you feel inferior without your consent." (Eleanor Roosevelt) You should never feel ashamed about who or what you are just because it doesn't fit in with somebody's idea of perfection or even average-ness.

My primary bit of advice is this: "wait-and-see." You'll know by the age of 24 or thereabouts if you're genuinely, irretrievably homosexual. Bringing that label on yourself too early might cause you some problems, especially if it turns out not to be true.

While we all harp on about how modern society is inclusive and accepting, however, it's worth mentioning that some people are still apprehensive about homosexuality and it has been known to cause problems in social circles, employment situations, etc.

I mean, if you do eventually come to the conclusion that you're a lesbian, you can come out to your parents and the closest friends you trust, but for those people who don't have any business knowing what your sexual orientation is -- let them think whatever they want to think and thereby not pre-judge you to be an abnormal person or whatever.

The less liberal elements of society don't have to know and, perhaps, shouldn't know. Less trouble for you. If it comes down to it, I know it would feel distasteful to have to cover up your true nature because of a few troublemakers, but part of emotional maturity (at least, as I came to experience it) is realizing that your assessment of yourself is all that matters.

While the opinions of other people really don't matter, if they should be of some secondary importance you can feel free to lie and know that you're just dealing with their insecurities for them.

Alright... thank you for your replies, I hope more people reply.

I have some new information...

I just got off the phone with her, and I asked her "how do you feel about lesbian and gay relationships" and she said that its fine because its two people that truely love eachother and they shouldn't be punished for being different. I also asked her what would she do if a girl was to ask her out (not specifically... kinda beat around the bush) and she said that she would act mature about it and if the timing was right, try something new and different. She also told me, since we are very close, that she liked a girl at one point but didn't what to tell her because she didn't want to be rejected and rumors being spread.

Replies/suggestions/what-now posts.

"Gay" is the captivating cognomen of a Young Woman of cambridge,

mass.

to whom nobody seems to have mentioned ye olde freudian wish;

when i contemplate her uneyes safely ensconced in thick glass

you try if we are a gentleman not to think of(sh)

the world renowned investigator of paper sailors--argonauta argo

harmoniously being with his probably most brilliant pupil mated,

let us not deem it miraculous if their(so to speak)offspring has that largo

appearance of somebody who was hectocotyliferously propagated

when Miss G touched n.y. our skeleton stepped from his cupboard

gallantly offering to demonstrate the biggest best busiest city

and presently found himself rattling for that well known suburb

the bronx(enlivening an otherwise dead silence with harmless quips, out

of Briggs by Kitty)

arriving in an exhausted condition, i purchased two bags of lukewarm

peanuts

with the dime which her mama had generously provided(despite courte-

ous protestations)

and offering Miss Gay one(which she politely refused)set out gaily for

the hyenas

suppressing my frank qualms in deference to her not inobvious perturba-

tions

unhappily, the denizens of the zoo were that day inclined to be uncouthly

erotic

more particularly the primates--from which with dignity square feet

turned abruptly Miss Gay away:

"on the whole"(if you will permit a metaphor savouring slightly of the

demotic)

Miss Gay had nothing to say to the animals and the animals had nothing

to say to Miss Gay

during our return voyage, my pensive companion dimly remarlted some-

thing about "stuffed

fauna" being "very interesting" . . . we also discussed the possibility of

rain. . .

E distant proximity to a Y.W.c.a. she suddenly luffed

--thanking me; and(stating that she hoped we might "meet again

sometime")vanished, gunwale awash. I thereupon loosened my collar

and dove for the nearest l; surreptitiously cogitating

the dictum of a new england sculptor(well on in life)re the helen moller

dancers, whom he considered "elevating--that is, if dancing CAN be ele-

vating"

Missj(believe it or)Gay is a certain Young Woman unacquainted with the

libido

and pursuing a course of instruction at radcliffe college, cambridge, mass.

i try if you are a gentleman not to sense something un poco putrido

when we contemplate her uneyes safely ensconced in thick glass

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Being gay or lesbian is nothing to be ashamed of. It's decribed as something natural. It's okay to be different, there's nothing wrong with it. I would say talk to your friend, which you already have, and just see what she says. I would "beat around the bush" as you call it, a little longer and find out enough information to make to comfortable with your decision. Good luck with everything.

why are you talking to yourself?



you can be kind of weird sometimes

[This message has been edited by SARDONICPILLOW (edited 05-14-2004).]

Let me tell you a story about a friend of mine. She grew up in a fairly accepting family. Her sister was a lesbian, so her family was more or less okay with it when she came out (at age 16 or around there). But then when she was 18, something odd happened. She had only ever had girlfriends. She really liked girls. Her world was pretty much thrown upside-down when she noticed that she was falling for her best friend --a guy. So she basically had to come out to her family twice. Once as a lesbian and once as a bisexual with strong lesbian tendencies. The point of this story is that sexuality is fluid. She's told me that the way she feels about this guy isn't exactly how she's felt about girls in the past. She wishes he were a girl. I think she's only sexually really into girls, but she does love this guy. It's hard to really define who you are by your sexuality. She was always "the lesbian" so she was really shaken when she fell for a guy. Just let yourself be you and don't worry so much about what the label should be. If you really like this girl and it ends up working out, tell your family that you have a girlfriend. You don't have to say lesbian or bisexual, just say that you're with this girl.

Also, if you've liked guys, what makes you think that you would make the switch to girls-only? Bisexuals are real; not just a myth. My suggestion for how to handle the situation with this chick is to be honest with her. I don't think there would be any problem even if she didn't want to be with you. I have two straight friends who are very much aware of the fact that I like them and would like to be with them if I could. They're okay with that. They just say "hey, I'm staight. I like you as a friend, and I would fuck you if I liked girls, but I don't." And we're probably only closer now that they know that.

Don't be too concerned with what the label is or trying to define what it is you feel. Maybe you'll find that these feeling you're having are purely friendly. Maybe you'll find that this is the love of your life. Whatever happens, go with it. Don't be afraid of being a lesbian or of being someone different from who you thought you were. You're the same person you always were, whether you end up liking this chick or not. If you are going to be scared, be scared of love. That's what I'm afraid of

Glitterpunk: Great post!! True words!!!

"If you are going to be scared, be scared of love. That's what I'm afraid of".

SOOOOOooooooo RIGHT ON!!!

Love, Venus.

PS: SardonicPillow: Are you going to be OK?!?

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quote:Originally posted by gothprincess89:

I will be coming out of the closet if I do.

That really doesn't matter, unless you define yourself by your sexual orientation. Just because many people choose to make their sexuality part of their "identity" doesn't mean you have to.

come on, am i really the only one to have noticed "beat around the bush" in a post about lesbianism? or is it just that i'm the only one immature enough to find it funny? anyway, heres 2 pieces of advice for you:

1.sensible advice - considering your age its likely that you dont know what you want yet, and these confused thoughts are very normal. i would refrain from saying anything to your friend until you're absolutely sure you're gay, because your freindship may never be the same again and a special freindship like yours shouldnt be gambled with. speak to people you trust (parents, other family etc) about your feelings and they might be able to help. also, carry on spending time with your freind and maybe the feelings will pass. if they dont, then that is the time to say something to her.

2.stupid boystrous advice: get it on with your freind and dont forget to film that mofo and send us a link.

When I came down to thinking about it, I realized that Coming Out doesn't make sense. I didn't Come Out to me, I just know things about me.

So I just say what I feel about a situation - "Oh man, that guy is so hot" - and let people work it out for themselves. It's worked pretty well so far.

Either way, good luck.

Oh you all know what's coming.

Ok first off, Glitter, give me a fucking break about coming out twice?

Are you fucking joking? Coming out as a lesbian then a bi? FIRST OFF HAVING SEX WITH MEN AS A WOMEN IS ACCEPTABLE.

They already knew she was a lesbian so what was she doing? She is just denying herself her real feelings for a guy because she already though she was "gay".

What's with all the girls on this forum saying their lesbians? Is it becuase they are fugly and no guy wants to treat them good?

I think the big issue here is how the hell is a 16 year old going to say when she's only had a couple boyfriends fall in love with a friend who happens to make her feel good?

Hell when I'm lonely and I play with my dog that makes me happy does it mean I'm a fuckign beastiality fucker? Fuck no.

It means a lot of things can make you happy, but your just a confused little girl, calm down and stop taking everything so seriously.

Being homosexual is wrong, it's wrong and disgusting, men that is. Women lesbians are fine as long as they don't perpetrate as men.

Women hooking up with women trying to be men is just ridiculous? Just be with a fucking man if you want a burly hard acting person.

This shit really irritates me and I think gay is just a mind state that people are put in based on experiences and their enviroment with the opposite sex.

quote:Originally posted by SARDONICPILLOW:

why are you talking to yourself?



you can be kind of weird sometimes

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What the fuck? I am replying to a post someone made, like everyone else does on totse. I am not gothprincess89, I am not lesbian, I am not in love with my best friend, my best friend isn't 17 years old, and I don't live in California. You seriously need to stop blaming me for something I am not doing.

Um... did I miss something?

Anyway, thank you for being a complete asshole CarbonB. I really apreciate you telling me that I am "fugly" as you call it. Also, how can "lesbians" be okay, but, then again all gay men have to die because they are sick? That doesn't make sense. Thats just being stupid, and ignorant.

Anyway, she wasn't in school today, so I haven't talked to her yet. So, I guess theres nothing really to update. I will update when she returns my call.

quote:Originally posted by gothprincess89:

Um... did I miss something?

Anyway, thank you for being a complete asshole CarbonB. I really apreciate you telling me that I am "fugly" as you call it. Also, how can "lesbians" be okay, but, then again all gay men have to die because they are sick? That doesn't make sense. Thats just being stupid, and ignorant.

Anyway, she wasn't in school today, so I haven't talked to her yet. So, I guess theres nothing really to update. I will update when she returns my call.

Shut the fuck up ok. CarbonB is right. You're a fucking idiot. Ooh, He's an asshole; He's right. The truth hurts, bitch. And quit using words with more than 5 letters when you know nothing about what they mean. His preference of lesbians over gay men isn't ignorance. You being unable to see the obvious truth right infront of you IS.

You're one of these idiots who seek advice, but wont listen to reason and keep an open mind, so I'm not going to do anything more here except point out your glaring ineptitude from time to time.

Ahhhh the echoing sounds of victory...

Anyways, I just wanted to add that I don't think that gay men should die.

I don't see anything wrong ( yes I do ) with gay men. It's just that men are supposed to be masculine.

When 2 masculine beings do anything together that isn't masculine, like shopping or talking fruity makes them look strange.

Two men kissing even just disgusts me. It's degrading to make yourself look inferior to another man by KISSING him ewww...

Degrading in the fact that your giving into the sexual desires of ANOTHER MAN! = Homosexuality!

Now if it were a women, that would be alright because she thinks we are giving into her, but in fact she is giving into us....

Us....me....my charm....my stunning smile....the ability to look at a women and just melt her emotions away from her face to a look almost dumbfounded by your brilliance.

This to me is the gift that all men need to harnass.

Also I kinda went on a tangeant there...so pardon me if I sounded strange. Just insight into the mind of your everyday advocate.

Alot of girls around that age like to experiment with the same sex. Most grow out of it after awhile. Don't go putting yourself in a catagory at such a young age. Just ride it out and give it plenty of time.

Gay people are gay people. Why does everone freak out about it? Most lesbian women tend to act masculine and most gay men tend to act feminine. To me, it's just love in a different form. Yes, it may be disgusting to those who are against gays and don't see if very often, but to me, who lives near the second or third (it varies) city with the largest gay population, it's not rare to see homosexuals holding hands in the mall, down the street, etc. It's nothing really to freak out about to me. Thats just me though.

[This message has been edited by InimitableBallerina (edited 05-15-2004).]

Ok seriously I lived in Austin for 7 years and it has numerous gay people.

Going to the orchestra alone would invite numerous bald gays in mink coats.

I am not weirded out or freaked out by gays. I just find it to be wrong in my eyes.

That is all.

I'd like to start by saying that CarbonB, you are either rather stupid or just a hippocrite. "Now if it were a women, that would be alright because she thinks we are giving into her, but in fact she is giving into us...." If you really can't see the stupidity behind this statement, then I salute you. You are by far the dumbest person who think's he's smart that I have ever read comments off a bbs from.

I don't see anything wrong with gay's or bi's, it's your own choice and only you can decide whether it's wrong or not. I am straight personally, but I know a couple of people who are bi and they don't freak me out to the slightest.

If she does make you happy, in a different way to someone and his dog. Then by all means tell her how you feel. I would also recomend preparing yourself for the fact that she may not want to have a sexual relationship with you and if she doesn't, you're willing to accept that and want to still be friends.

If you do have to "Come out of the closet," tell your friends and family that you're experimenting and whatever you do, do not say lesbian. Bisexual is ok, it will keep your options open as far as labels goes and will stop people from saying you just want attention if you go back to a guy at the end of the day.

Just do whatever you feel right with. It does sound like you're confused, but then it also sounds like your feelings are genuine. So don't do anything to permanent until you have a better idea of whether or not what you think of her is sexual.

Mother fucker, just becuase you think my statement is wrong gives you no right to question my intelligence.

You don't like the comment fine, but don't base it off of something that you have no idea about.

Please shut the fuck up, put your finger in your ass, or maybe just maybe your BI friend will let you suck his dick after he's done fucking someone you wish you were with.

BITCH!

I had a legitimate reason to question your inteligence, you stated that someone else thinks something, but you know better. I believe I qouted it because it was based around pure arrogance rather then a cold eye.

Now your questioning my sexual orientation???

I don't really give a shit, because the only person that counts is my girlfriend so you can go stick your temper and arrogance up your ass because I sure as hell bet that no-one else is going there.

Yeah I forgot I don't care what you think because Tyra Banks is coming over later tonight and I'm going to be fucking her.

The statement wasn't arrogant, knowing when something is concluding something that they think is true isn't, isn't arrogance.

It's observation. Now go fuck your "girlfriend' or cuddle whatever you homo's like to do to avoid the fact that everyone knows your puting on an act to avoid acting like a fruit.

You wish Tyra Banks was coming over to your house. She probably wouldn't even double take if she saw you, along with alot of other females.

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CarbonB, I would like to thank you. Just when I think humans might be okay, you always let me know right where it's at. I'm not going to respond to a thing you've said because you know my stance. You're an idiot and that's all there is to it. You don't ever have any idea what you're talking about when it comes to matters of sexuality.

quote:Originally posted by gothprincess89:

This is serious, so please don't flame me. I am going through a rough time in my life and I just want your help/advice/opinion.

I am 16 years old, I have had a couple boyfriends in the past years, but I think I have figured out something. I have this best friend and we hang out almost everyday at the park and the movies and different stuff. I just realized that I am the happiest, most lively person when I am with her. We can talk about anything together. Shes 17 years old, and broke up with a boyfriend about a month ago due to him cheating on her. She says she can't trust guys for a long time.

I think I have feelings for her, but I don't know. I will be coming out of the closet if I do. What should I do? Should I bring up the "lesbian" thing in a conversation and see how she reacts? We live in California... if that makes a difference.

Also, is being lesbian a bad thing? Is it something to be ashamed of? I will have to tell my parents too. They aren't homophobes, and they will respect it because I have already brought up the "What if I am lesbian" thing, soo... But I am still scared. Please don't flame me, I am in a very emotional state right now. I just need advice and help. Thank you for reading this.

My youngest daughter was lesbian. She killed herself while playing with a gun while drinking. That's been 12 years ago. I had the experience of sharing her short life and her struggles with it including "coming out" and the impact it had on her life . This was roughly 20 years ago in the Southern USA.

She came out with a girl she trusted, a classmate at school. Her advances were initially accepted but her friend apparently had some misgivings, later rejected her,and told some tales at school.

My daughter was rejected, ostracized, and subjected to abuse to the point at age 14 she refused to go to school any longer.

I'm not so sure society has progressed a lot in the last 20 years relevant to the perception and treatment of homosexuals. I'd be careful. At your age I would guess it's quite possible your "sexual identity" hasn't quite jelled as yet. It would be easy to have loving feelings for anyone (male or female) you had a lot in common with and a good personality "fit". Of course you love your friend. But it doesn't necessarily have to involve sex.

Your whole adult life is yet ahead of you. Trying to hit a happy medium between not rushing things and letting life pass us by is difficult even for us older folk. I hope you find the patience to wait until you're sure you are doing the right thing.

Richard Lizard, I am really sorry about what happened to you, and thanks for posting. I know that highschool is gonna be a tough one to deal with, seeing as most kids my age don't accept anything "different". There have been many homosexual couples at our school, betweens males and females, so I won't be the only one. I have talked to my best friend, whom is gay, and he told me alot. He has a boyfriend now in school and no one seems to bother him that much. They don't really show PDA though. I was hoping, if anything does happen, that it would be kept on the down low.

I would rather face and accept by sexuality now, then lie to myself another couple of years before finally admitting it. Its been rough these past couple of days. I am about to call her back. I will post again later.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

I don't see anything wrong ( yes I do ) with gay men. It's just that men are supposed to be masculine.

In a society where masculinity is defined exclusively by gay men, your statement is completely absurd.

Lol...good god, gay men are not the definition of masculine.

Anyways, GlitterPunk when you get your 14 year old lesbian act together and actually get some sexual experience, don't sit here and preach to me.

I'm not here to take lessons from a little girl on what "she" think is sexual.

Daddy ain't the best thing yet to come sweetheart.

I talked to her last night from about 12pm-3am. I was too tired to post again last night (or this morning.... whatever) so I will post now.

We talked about relationships and everything her old boyfriends have done to piss her off, to make her break up with them, and why she doesn't want to date another GUY for a long time. I questioned her about this, and she was like "I don't know, are things different if you date a girl?" I said, "Maybe so" I was shaking the whole time, really really REALLY nervous. It seems to me like she was beating around the bush the whole time too.

After that she had to go, and I said (with out thinking) "I have something very important on Monday to tell you. It has to be face to face, I can't do it over the phone." So, I basically put myself on the spot. I am so nervous about tomorrow. HELP!

quote:Originally posted by MrEricSir:

Originally posted by CarbonB:

I don't see anything wrong ( yes I do ) with gay men. It's just that men are supposed to be masculine.

In a society where masculinity is defined exclusively by gay men, your statement is completely absurd.



I think you meant to add an "I" to the beginning of Masculine. I don't know if you have a twisted definitiion of mascunlinity.. but let me assure you that a man in a tenis shirt, and tight pink shorts with flaming blond hair is not it.

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I know that for me a gay men moving his hips side to side in a fashion like he's dancing when he talks is no masculine.

I don't know how a gay men would be masculine? Maybe a lot of gay guys represent a good male physique because there is pressure to look good.

Other than that they need to be classified with all the women.

quote:Originally posted by gothprincess89:

I talked to her last night from about 12pm-3am. I was too tired to post again last night (or this morning.... whatever) so I will post now.

We talked about relationships and everything her old boyfriends have done to piss her off, to make her break up with them, and why she doesn't want to date another GUY for a long time. I questioned her about this, and she was like "I don't know, are things different if you date a girl?" I said, "Maybe so" I was shaking the whole time, really really REALLY nervous. It seems to me like she was beating around the bush the whole time too.

After that she had to go, and I said (with out thinking) "I have something very important on Monday to tell you. It has to be face to face, I can't do it over the phone." So, I basically put myself on the spot. I am so nervous about tomorrow. HELP!

Can we stay on the subject?

are you talking to yourself again?

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Wow. Ok I'm not coming back to this post. Feel free to insult her intelligence some more CarbonB, but I don't have the patience for such idiocy.

Lol...yes I understand my mission G-Prime.

I am to help gothprincess with the rejection she is about to face by seducing her friend.

Your friend ovbiously loves the cock and you need to realize that embracing it can be wonderful.

I cannot show you this, but maybe someone of less morals then I can.

Its never a bad thing. But if she dosen't feel the same way then it may be a bit awkward.

wishing you luck goth princess.

CarbonB, I've been on totse for over a year, and in all this time, I think you may be the worst person I've ever seen.

quote:

Yeah I forgot I don't care what you think because Tyra Banks is coming over later tonight and I'm going to be fucking her.



I'm surprised you arn't an intense racist along with a hypocritical homophobe. I'm not going to get too deep into hating you, because you seem to have enough people wanting to see your innards on the floor already, and I'm sure that would just encourage you. Its really pathetic to see people who's only aim when they come on to an advice forum is to make fun of other people for thier problems and to draw attention to themselves.

I would truely pitty you if I didn't want you dead.

Gothprincess, things always have a way of working out. And like I said before, if this friend of yours is such a good friend, then nothing should change between you two if she doesnt want to be your girlfriend.

quote:Originally posted by Shodan's Own:

CarbonB, I've been on totse for over a year, and in all this time, I think you may be the worst person I've ever seen.

Really? I think he's in a tie with SaturnRocketX (or whatever that guy's name is.)

I don't know how you could actually consider totse to be a "serious" advice forum.

If you want serious advice on relationships go to the Dr.Phil website.

I'm sure he'll suggest ways to get you to overcome your mental retardation.

you crack me up, CarbonB

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

I don't know how you could actually consider totse to be a "serious" advice forum.

If you want serious advice on relationships go to the Dr.Phil website.

I'm sure he'll suggest ways to get you to overcome your mental retardation.

He hasn't helped you yet though, has he...

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

I'm sure he'll suggest ways to get you to overcome your mental retardation.

Are you aware that nobody takes you seriously, or are you blissfully ignorant of that fact?

I'm sorry person who said I should be banned just for pointing out your small weiner.

I am sorry that you can't come to base with the fact that I am not going to leave these forums.

I enjoy discussing things here and giving my myself to the forums for it's own benefits.

If you can't see the good I am doing then your right to call me stupid has been revoked.

He has a point, he draws the more intelligent people together with his extremely idiotic posts.

Without CarbonB, Mr. Man, and that N-something guy, we'd all have nothing to reply to besides the "My Penis Exploded" threads.

You see I do have a purpose on this earth of overweight women who complain about jocks not liking them.

Anyways, I too get tired of the threads about "what is this on my penis."

Without me your life Gustwat would be even more worthless.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

Without me your life Gustwat would be even more worthless.

Not really, I don't frequent S&A enough to care about you more then a passing annoyance.

Without me, CarbonB, your life would have the same amount of worth: None at all.

The same amount of worth in comparison to your own correct?

So you just infact stated that your life has no meaning!

Hooray for me! I've proven it!

I didn't know I annoyed you so much Gustwat, ah what a blessed skill I have.

[This message has been edited by CarbonB (edited 05-17-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

The same amount of worth in comparison to your own correct?

No, I'm compareing you to that Mr. Man guy.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

So you just infact stated that your life has no meaning!

Hooray for me! I've proven it!

Wow, shoot for the moons, right? Idiot.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

I didn't know I annoyed you so much Gustwat, ah what a blessed skill I have.

[This message has been edited by CarbonB (edited 05-17-2004).]

Slight annoyance. Not even enough for me to flame you, just reply with the logical counter-arguments that you do so seem to piss over.

What? I piss on them?

Well of course they are complete garbage.

quote:Originally posted by CarbonB:

What? I piss on them?

Well of course they are complete garbage.

Learn to read. "on" does not mean "over". Gah, what am I saying, you're the guy that can't be arsed enough to type "you're" instead of "your".

There is no difference on this forum.

If I wanted a lecture about what I mispell'd in my college essay I'll ask your advice.

As for you telling me how to reply on a message board, please refrain from speaking.

I shouldn't ask this of you though, I know it's hard for you to keep your mouth shut. Especially when foods involved.